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Translation help please.
Hey, you say you are a translator from Hebrew to English. Could you please translate this phrase: "הודעה בדבר בצגת רשימות הבוחרים לכנסת לשנת פנקס החוברים ה'תשמ'ו/ה'תשמ'ז - 1986-1987" If it will help you, I need it for a [trans-title] for a citation. Here is the source it self:.

Thanks.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 14:58, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Announcement about presentation of the lists of electors for the Knesset for Electoral Register year 5746-7 (1986-7). RolandR (talk) 15:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Blessings--Bolter21 (talk to me) 15:29, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Bolter is seventeen Roland. It puts a few things into context. If you still want help Bolter, I am willing to assist. Mentoring will help. You have calmed a lot. Sorry for the interruption Roland. Cheers, Simon. Irondome (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * Ping. Please respond if you're still interested. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:59, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I have responded. Had a computer problem, and needed to replace my hard disk and reinstall software; now almost fully functional again. RolandR (talk) 20:39, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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"Stalking" vs "Targeting"
I thought the term Target was better, since this person is after you. I would have to suggest the best way to deal with a person like this is to just ignore them and delete their emails or IMs. If they see you won't respond, they'll feel inclined to keep doing it and give up. Sometimes it pays to be thick skinned. Aside from the fact he's been hounding you, the name "runtshit" would be blocked in any case since profanity usernames are generally not acceptable anyways. VegasCasinoKid (talk) 08:38, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You really do not have the first idea what is going on here, and I suggest that you keep your ill-informed opinions to yourself until you have actually read the ten-year history involved. RolandR (talk) 10:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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I have placed a new section at Talk:Karl Marx, please explain your revision there. DoomLexus (talk) 21:19, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity
would mean he ranks with Dolph Lundgren and, if my memory is correct, Clint Walker. Similar bravado fantasy world in public, too! Nishidani (talk) 17:11, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I disbelieve the claim. It was a very dubious link, which I traced back to an unsourced assertion by Caroline Glick. It should never have been in the article, and should certainly not have been restored by a repeatedly blocked editor immediately on return from his latest block for breach of a topic ban. RolandR (talk) 17:16, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * So do I, that's why I cited the two other examples, esp. Clint Walker.Nishidani (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I am sceptical not merely about Netanyahu's IQ score, but also about whether this claim had ever been made outside Caroline Glick's article. I was also under the impression that the highest official IQ score was 160, and anything beyond that was an unscientific extrapolation (not that "official" scores are any more scientific). RolandR (talk) 19:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Must be a change in method. In the standard test applied in schools back in the 50s, a 162 was registered by one kid in my class, and 4 within a few points of that. The genius went on to become a suburban doctor, with a hobby of drinking port wine. The fourth went up on criminal charges for malpractice, etc. To console those who wrongly attach value to such tests, and feel diminished by comparison, I suppose one should note that on that early scale Richard Feynman scored a measly 124 in high school, and became one of the finest minds of the last century. Nishidani (talk) 15:20, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Hebrew to English
Hello Roland. Just a small question I couldn't find an answer in the internt. How can you translate the word "חניך" to something that isn't "student" or "pupil"? The definition in my context is "member of a yough organization", but is there a single word for it?--Bolter21 (talk to me) 01:20, 30 July 2016 (UTC)


 * According to Google Translate, it means "apprentice". Years ago, when I was a member of American Habonim, we were חניכים. I'm not sure, but I think Habonim Dror still uses the word. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:55, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * In FZY in Britain in the 60s, we had a מדריך, but not חניכים. We were simply members. I wouldn't use the word "apprentice", it sounds wrong. In an agricultural context, "trainee" could be OK; otherwise, maybe "cadet". RolandR (talk) 09:25, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Evidently the word חניך is no longer in use at Habonim Dror. Times have changed. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 14:05, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Malik; that is fascinating! The idea of an inclusive Zionist summer camp raises so many questions, it's hard to know where to start. Many of my friends and contacts in Israel use the suffix "ים\ות" "im/ot", which is now quite common in leftist texts. But of course the same problem, in a different form, arises even in English, and my son demands to be addressed as "e" rather than "he" or "she". RolandR (talk) 17:17, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for adding a reference, but I don't find it very convincing. I've found plenty of places where people are claiming they've heard this photo is fake, but nowhere does anyone provide any evidence or a copy of the alleged original photo. This art journalist could easily have just repeated some hearsay.

Futhermore, I've found at least two more similar photos taken at the same time, each of which shows a different facial expression for both men:. It seems implausible that a forger would go to the trouble of faking all of them. – Smyth\talk 22:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Additional discussion here, but still no real evidence either way. – Smyth\talk 22:30, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The falsity of this picture is well known, and has been discussed in countless articles. Few of them, however, would be considered reliable sources for Wikipedia (equally, it is very hard to find a reliable source which uses this image without a disclaimer). I have read an article which reproduces the alleged original pictures which were spliced together to form this, but can't find it at the moment. For now, we have one reliable source which states that this is a fake image, and none which say anything different. RolandR (talk) 00:14, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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Translation help
Hello Roland. How would you translate "הוא קיבל תואר ראשון בהצטיינות"?--Bolter21 (talk to me) 02:17, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "He gained/was awarded a distinction in his first degree". Depending on the context, it could mean a BA with 1st class honours; is this possibly originally a translation from English? RolandR (talk) 12:21, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The original text is: "בשנת 1998 חזר ללמוד במכללת ספיר, שם למד מדעי ניהול ומדעי המדינה, וקיבל תואר ראשון בהצטיינות.", which I translated as "...received his Bachelor's degree with honors", with the trust given to google translate. I"ve never heard the term "Bachelor's degree" nor "honors" in that context, so it seemed very suspicious to me.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 14:05, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Those would both be perfectly good English translations, understandable by anyone in Britain, and I imagine also anyone in the USA. A "Bachelor's degree" is a first degree, BSc/BA or other, while most degrees are awarded as a simple pass, or with Third Class, Upper or Lower Second Class, or First Class honours. It's not certain, but I would interpret "בהצטיינות" to mean First Class or Upper Second honours. RolandR (talk) 14:18, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright. Thanks.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 14:19, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Charles Marowitz Birth Date
Hello There, Regarding Charles Marowitz birth date - I am his widow and in possession of his birth certificate. The New York Times worked with me on the drafting of his obit - I sent them a copy of the birth certificate. They are the only publication that used the correct date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allwinomar (talk • contribs) 00:10, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The article cites the Daily Telegraph and the Los Angeles Times, which both state that Marowitz was born in 1934. You deliberately misquoted the Telegraph, citing it as a source for a birth date of 1932. This is not acceptable. If you think that the sources are mistaken, and that there is a better source, you need to raise this on the article talk page and gain consensus for this change. In fact, it appears that you have made the same edit in the past using a different account, when your edit was again reverted and our rules of verifiability were explained to you. You cannot simply assert that you know better, in defiance of the sources available to us. RolandR (talk) 00:27, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

ACTUALLY - I QUOTED THE NEW YORK TIMES AS MY SOURCE AND THEY GOT THE INFORMATION FROM THE COPY OF THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE I PROVIDED THEM WITH. I WORKED CLOSELY WITH MR. BRUCE WEBER IN ORDER TO GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION INCLUDED IN HIS OBIT. ALL THE OTHER OBITS ARE WRONG ON HIS BIRTH DATE. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE FIRING OFF A RUDE REPLY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allwinomar (talk • contribs) 00:57, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you didn't. You altered the year, while still linking to the source which stated that he was born in 1934. And all the sources cited in the article confirm 1934 as the year of birth. We need more than your assertion to alter this. And this discussion should be taking place on the article talk page, not here. RolandR (talk) 09:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry for horning in here. The widow is right, the NYT obit is here. (Actually I was looking at the previous thread, which interested me because I made the sockpuppet complaint). I have updated the article. Regards, Ravpapa (talk) 13:35, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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Translation help.
Hey Roland. I need your help again. I need to translate this sentence: "הסיבה לשינוי היתה ידיעות מוטעות על הקדמת פינויו של הצבא הבריטי מהעיר". Google translate did not help and I translated it as "...false reports of a fast British evacuation from the city" which sounds very bad, since I don't know what is the translation for "הקדמה".--Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:04, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Bolter. I'm on a train journey, so don't have my dictionaries to hand. "הקדמה" would normally mean "introduction", but that clearly does not make sense in this context. The best sense I can make of the sentence is "bringing forward", which would be clumsy, so it might make more sense to rewrite the sentence as "false reports that the British had brought forward their evacuation". Was the text originally written in Hebrew, or is it a translation? If the latter, I would suggest trying to consult the original. RolandR (talk) 17:37, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The text is a quote from an Hebrew source. I think that naturally, since "הקדמה" is of the same root of "earlier", maybe "earlier British evacuation" might be the answer.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 00:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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I'm not even sure I understand the point of view you're supporting or opposing here:

"Statement by RolandR

No-one seems to have responded to Proximity's argument that "in a partisan controversy, no partisan adherent should be allowed to stand in for, to represent for his or her adversaries, their points of view --whether those points of view be of the minority or of the majority. Every camp, every arguant's position should be reserved for explanation, presentation and clarification by partisans, and only by partisans, of each point of view concerned." This is so clearly against Wikipedia's norms and guidelines that it cannot be ignored. Wikipedia is based on a neutral point of view. This does not mean that editors may not hold particular points of view, but does mean that we must edit neutrally. We should not ignore and dismiss the point of view of those we disagree with, and nor may we present our own point of view as unquestioned fact. Wikipedia is not a debating chamber, and articles should not be a place where rival points of view are presented and voted on. If Proximity cannot accept this basic rule, then they have no business editing anywhere on Wikipedia, and least of all in such a highly contentious article. RolandR (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2017 (UTC)"

( by the way, I have no clear idea to whom you are referring by "they", above? )

I wonder if you understood my point-- "Every camp, every arguant's (i.e. disputant's) position should be reserved for explanation, presentation and clarification by partisans- (clarification: that is, by each position's own partisan participants rather than by their adversaries), and only by (those) partisans, of each point of view concerned." In short, Stratfordian partisans in the SAQ should have no more business exclusively taking on the role of explaining what their advesaries' point of view is* than the other way around--in which case, the Stratfordian partisans would be screaming to high heaven.

Am I to understand that it is this which you mean when you write that, "This is so clearly against Wikipedia's norms and guidelines that it cannot be ignored" ? Proximity1 (talk) 07:06, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm not supporting or opposing any point of view, merely pointing out how Wikipedia works. And please remember to indent your comments properly, as others have already asked you. RolandR (talk) 08:51, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Please clarify
You changed "at times" to "on one occasion" in this edit. MShabbazz asked you to clarify why you made this change. Please provide a quote or other proof that the change was justified. Debresser (talk) 11:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If you had bothered to look at the article talk page before coming here to interrogate me, you would have seen that I have already been engaged in extensive discussion and clarification of exactly this point. That is what article talk pages are for. RolandR (talk) 12:09, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You are right. Sorry. At the same time, no need to be so bitchy. Debresser (talk) 12:37, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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Village pump (policy)

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Hebrew?
I somehow seem to remember that you understood Hebrew? If so, could you please tale a look at User:Huldra/Ben-Arieh? The Ben-Arieh article here has a lot of info about Palestinian villages, and I have tried to note which villages in User:Huldra/Ben-Arieh.

If you have time/interest, could you please check that I have gotten the names correct? And please add any one I have missed. So far I have only added villages which has been mentioned in the 1596 dafter, that is, this. I see Bolter21 is around, so Ill ask him, too. Huldra (talk) 21:42, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Certainly. I'll look at this in the morning. RolandR (talk) 01:20, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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Regarding and, see also Categories for discussion/Log/2017 September 2 and User talk:DVdm. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 22:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have already commented at the CfD. RolandR (talk) 23:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Ha indeed. Sorry, I had missed that. Cheers and thanks. - DVdm (talk) 23:42, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

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Maybe dial back template drama?
Templating an editor with an accusation of defamation or libel for an edit like this is not helpful. Your own edit summary said "Unhelpful, and borderline vandalism". It's quite a leap from borderline vandalism to defamation. The first thing to know about that is that the WP:BLP policy doesn't apply to criticism of a country. Your revert was justified, and perhaps a talk page warning was acceptable, but please dial it back a bit with the warnings.<P>You could even consider talk page discussion before issuing warnings, or other avenues of dispute resolution. Just my opinion. I haven't reverted any of your edits. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The edit I reverted was not criticism of a country; it was criticism (in my reading, defamatory criticism) of a group of political activists, and therefore covered by BLP. RolandR (talk) 16:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:BLPGROUP makes that a dubious claim. If the group were a discrete set of named individuals, like say The Beatles, then it's more BLP-ish. But a movement can include formal members, leaders, followers, associates, contributors, supporters, sympathizers, fellow travelers. Defamation and libel are specific legal terms and if I badmouth Bronys, that doesn't mean any specific individual brony is going to have a libel case. Blowing it out of proportion shifts the dispute from their edit to your reaction. The overreach gives the other guy an opportunity to cast himself as the victim of a false accusation, and now you're the one playing defense. Would you rather focus on what they did or what you did? A light touch keeps your own behavior out of the spotlight.<P>You're indisputably on solid ground if you say the edit violates WP:NPOV, and that's a good enough reason for a warning and a revert.  --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:20, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * And most certainly not a final warning. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 17:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It was an only, not a final, warning. And I gave that because only yesterday another editor had given them a final warning for vandalism. RolandR (talk) 21:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hello RolandR. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Tobias Hübinette, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: I don't speak Swedish, but the article at sv:Tobias Hübinette looks like he might be notable enough. Thank you.  So Why  11:08, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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I apologize
Could you kindly refer me to the right English section where to report acts of bullying? I can not find it, thanks--Razorblade76 (talk) 10:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * English Wikipedia has absolutely no jurisdiction over Italian Wikipedia. You should raise any issues or problems there, not here. RolandR (talk) 11:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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