User talk:Rolandobrown

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Thanks for joining our community on the web, and I wish you success in your contributions to this encyclopedia. Thanks!--Urthogie 15:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying! Glad to help.--Urthogie 16:20, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

had to revert again
heres why: "(also known as Hip-Hop, Hip Hop, and Hiphop globally)"-- these alternate spellings, put forward by some revival movements, are not used much in comparison-- both in the press and otherwise.

"knowledge of self, culture and overstanding"-- you cant link to the hip hop association just because it professes these values, that puts forward a point of view that favors its significance.

"The successful publishing of a variety of books, the creation of culture exchange platforms and the founding of at least three major Hip-Hop culturee institutions have helped in the understanding that Hip hop is a culture."-- hip hop was recognized as a culture before these books, and culture is a subjective concept anyway-- it cant be proven what effect these early books really had on perceptions of hip hop

"A new generation of leaders emerged from Hip-Hop culture. These include a variety of people actively uplifting, improving and redefining their communities. Hip-Hop has in large been created by an active need for self expression and exploration, innovation and community/economic development." -- this is a point of view and the creation of a new section was unecessary.

If you want to know the guidelines for notability, please read Notability. Thanks, --Urthogie 17:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

reply
"Why do you have the right to state this as the spelling without justifying your source?"
 * Heres proof: on google news, which catelogs the mainstream news, "hiphop" gets 127 hits, while "hip-hop" gets 10,500.

"This I understand, but Knowledge of Self, culture and overstanding has been a part of Hip-Hop culture since 1974. I feel to not include it is a political act, and this bothers me. In Cuba there are 6 elements, and KRS One has conceived 9. There is no talk of that in this entry. The entry overall seems very biased, in limiting the scope of Hip-Hop culture."
 * I'm part of the temple of hip hop, so of course I value these, but the thing is, every culture has knowledge of self, culture, and understanding-- its the way of identifying yourself with the culture. The fact that KRS says something, although me or you may agree, does not make it the final word.

"I disagree completely here. Hip-Hop has given rise to a generation of leaders. One only need to look at the global community to know that. And the entry speak very little of Hip-Hop in other places besides the US. I believe that is very limiting."
 * The thing is, every culture has leaders. However, you're right about adding a world perspective-- it would be great if you could add info about hip-hop outside the US.

"Thanks for the dialogue. That's what's really worth it. I just want this page to reflect more. It is very limited in scope, and marginalizes largely the growth and influence of the culture."
 * I agree. Just try to make sure that what you put about hip-hop isnt:


 * a)true about all other cultures, or
 * b)unprovable
 * If you follow those two guidelines and the rest of Wikipedia's guidelines I'm sure you'll be an excellent contributor to the article. Thanks for the continued discussion.  Peace, --Urthogie 11:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

respect
I respect your approach and willingness to learn equally as much, and look forward to contributing along with, and learning from your knowledge of HipHop culture. Peace, --Urthogie 17:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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George Martinez
I have moved the article you created to User:Rolandobrown/George Martinez to give you time to work on it before moving it to the main article space. If you have any questions, please let me know. Frank |  talk  17:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)