User talk:Roleplayer/Archive11

Re your warning
http://vedabase.net/cc/antya/3/255/ "Anyone who does not float in this inundation is most condemned. Such a person cannot be delivered for millions of kalpas. PURPORT The kalpa is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā (8.17): sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ. One day of Brahmā is called a kalpa. A yuga, or mahā-yuga, consists of 4,320,000 years, and one thousand such mahā-yugas constitute one kalpa. The author of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta says that if one does not take advantage of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he cannot be delivered for millions of such kalpas." Say Hare Krishna at least once —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.133.48.118 (talk) 14:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Userspace speedies (in case you didn't know)
Hi, I just thought I'd let you know that the "A" criteria (for example, A7) only to apply to articles- ie in the mainspace- rather like the "F" criteria only apply in the file namespace, "T" in the template namespace, "C" in the category namespace and "U" in userspace. However, the general criteria ("G") apply in all namespaces. That's why your A7 tagging of a userpage was rejected but the G11 tag fulfilled. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, thank you for letting me know. --  role player 23:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

New Page Patrol
Hi, could you mark the pages you patrol as 'Patrolled' please? Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 10:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, yes Twinkle normally does that automatically, though when I have to do it manually (because I can't use Twinkle on my laptop) it means having to navigate back to the new pages list and then marking them as patrolled, having just done something to the page. I can't do it before I go into the page, as I don't always know what to do with the page and thus leave it for somebody else. --  role player 20:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, I just noticed that I don't always arrive at the pages I am assessing through new pages patrol, and therefore it is easy to miss marking the pages as patrolled. The opportunity to do that only comes in NP patrol, not when patrolling, for example, new editors' contribs. --  role player 23:17, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: BLToolkit
Hello Roleplayer. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of BLToolkit, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to software. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Fine. I'm not entirely sure what to do with it.  So I've not done anything. --  role player 21:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

A message! :D
I LIKE CHICKEN NUGGETS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baseballsukkz (talk • contribs) 23:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Why you deleting all my articles man —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baseballsukkz (talk • contribs) 00:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Please see your own talk page. --  role player 09:34, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Re endorsed prod at Battlegroup Modern and WWII rules.
Well spotted, I hadn't read it thoroughly enough to see that. Interesting to see that the uploading user has just removed that part: I wonder if they are aware that Wikipedia pages have a history tab? --  role player 13:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, so they have - hehe :-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Kristi Noem
You just reverted a change I made to the Kristi Noem article. She was not born in South Carolina. Please read this web posting: Blog mocking mistake of Kristi Noem's Wikipedia article.--98.196.129.137 (talk) 11:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Feel free to correct whatever errors have been made in Wikipedia articles. However please make sure that all changes that are made, particularly to high profile articles are referenced using externally verifiable sources.  That's why your change was undone: not because I doubted its validity, but because it was an unreferenced change. --  role player 11:31, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Re your edit summary Fixing Roleplayer's incorrect assertion that Noem was born in South Carolina - please read the above statement. I had no opinion either way on the validity of one fact over the other, my only concern was for verifiability of the statements made.  I note that you have now added a reference for the change you have made.  Well done.  Please, in future, assume good faith of other editors, and don't presume that just because they are undoing your edits they are agreeing with your detractors. --  role player 11:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please in the future, please do not assume that I am saying something that I did not say. I did assume "good faith". I did not state that your edit was in bad faith. Nor did I believe that your edit was in bad faith.  These are all assumptions on your part.  What I commented upon was your edit and in your edit you placed in the article the incorrect information about Ms. Noem's place of birth.  What I did state was that your edit was incorrect and it was incorrect.  By me simply stating a fact that your edit was incorrect does not mean that I assumed bad faith.  I am sure that you made the incorrect edit in completely good faith, but just because you made an edit in good faith does not mean that you were correct.  I was just pointing out the obvious.  I am sorry if you were offended by me making a completely correct statement about your edit.--98.196.129.137 (talk) 15:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Fine. I could explain that you started it by changing the place of birth without leaving an edit summary, prompting me to undo your edit, prompting you to undo my edit and leave that edit summary above, but that would be childish and confusing.  Let's both get on with improving this encyclopedia for the better shall we? --  role player 18:47, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Track marshall
Hello, I notice that you recently created a new page, Track marshall. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as yourself. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page - Track Marshall. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will to continue helping improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Track Marshall - you might like to discuss new information at the article's talk page.

If you think that the article you created should remain separate, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Wikipedia looks forward to your future contributions. Fabian Hassler (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the note, but I didn't create it - I come up as the creator of the redirect because I moved the incorrectly titled Track marshall to Track Marshall. Other people since edited the redirect to create the article that you listed for speedy deletion; I note that someone else has since reverted it back to a redirect. --  role player 18:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Prod v. speedy of Battlegroup Modern and WWII rules.‎
Hi, I notice you added a speedy tag to the above page. I wasn't sure when I nom'd it whether it was speediable or not, and decided against it because I couldn't tie down one single category that it came under. Does it fit a speedy category? If so it would me to fine tune my future nom-ing of articles to know what category this kind of thing comes under. Or is this a case of WP:Ignore all rules? --  role player 14:10, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I decided not to waste my time on rereading speedy guidelines (they are not even nicely linked form Template:Speedy where I went); and I don't have junk like that memorized :) Indeed, for me it is a case of IAR, or WP:DUCK. It looks like it should be speedied, so it should be speedied :) Mind you, I come from the old generation of 'pedians, when IAR still mattered :D PS. But I see you should also remember those times :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Why, what counts as "old generation" in Wikipedia terms? --  role player 14:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I need to think and write on that more, for now here's a thought. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm certainly noticing that in recent years I'm having to double-check myself a lot more frequently over my actions, and having to jump through hoops that were never there when I started in 2003. I have never been a fan of bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake, which is probably why I'm not an admin and do not want to be.  So what do you get for seven years' service to the community?  Is there an award? --  role player 14:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't get me started on what I got for my service :) But here's something for you - your 20k edits and over 4 years of service classifies you for the Veteran Editor IV (or Tutnum of the Encyclopedia) :) Enjoy --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Woohoo!!! --  role player 14:40, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Colonel Grantham
The new Weedon Hill development has been in the local news today, so I have taken the bull by the horns and created an article about it. The development is built on the reputed site of the 1642 Battle of Aylesbury, and the proposed road names in the development are to be named after important figures from the battle. Prince Rupert Drive is one that has definitely been confirmed, and his article is easy enough to locate. However the other confirmed road name is Colonel Grantham Avenue. I can find reference to Grantham in contemporary references of this and other battles that took place in England in the 1640s, but can find nothing about the individual himself in order that he might also (possibly) have an article on Wikipedia. Does anyone know anything about Colonel Grantham that could lead to a decent biography about him being written? --  role player 21:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I typed "Colonel Grantham 1642" into Google and this page came up first. It mention's "Colonel Grantham's regiments". This page has "Thomas Grantham" as commander of a regiment of the "Earl of Essex Army". Got to rush... Alansplodge (talk) 07:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well a first name is more than I had originally. Will keep digging! --  role player 10:32, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Two other 17th Century "Thomas Granthams" to beware of; a Baptist preacher from Lincolnshire who would have been 8 in 1642 and a ship's captain, Thomas Grantham, who was knighted towards the end of the century. One Thomas Grantham Esq (probably our man) married Frances, daughter of Sir Godfrey Wentworth on 12th January 1657. Thomas Grantham also appears under Lincolnshire in an Ordnance of 1643 listing those who had raised regiments and who would be paid by Parliament "for the mutuall defence each of other against the Popish Army in the North under the command of the Marquesse of Newcastle.". Maybe some more soon... Alansplodge (talk) 12:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I suppose the ultimate question is, was he notable enough to have a Wikipedia article written about him? Do we know enough about him in order to write a decent article?  John Hampden has an article, and he was at the same rank as Grantham (and in the same battle), but I think Hampden might be more notable for other reasons. --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 14:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As every schoolboy knows (or used to), Hampden was one of the five members of Parliament that Charles tried to arrest. From memory (more than 40 years ago):
 * "The man at the gate said 'Tickets please'
 * Said Charles 'I've come for the 5 MPs;
 * Denzil Holles, Jonathan Pym,
 * William Strode and after him,
 * Arthur Haselrig Esquire
 * And Hampden, gent of Buckinghamshire'" Alansplodge (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * More progress (we won't know if Thomas Grantham is notable or not until we find out who he was); the WP article Lincolnshire (UK Parliament constituency) says that Sir Thomas Grantham was MP for Lincolnshire from 1621-1622. Alansplodge (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * But this was probably our man's father; the Lincoln Archives have a folio "Rental and survey of all the lands in the possession of Thomas Grantham esq., son of Sir Thomas Grantham kt, decd, 1638 (reference to "my father" in the margin) Goltho, giving tenant, rent and acreage, all of land in closes (folio 132v) Kingthorpe (folio 130v). Alansplodge (talk) 17:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Given the information that Grantham's first name was Thomas I have done a quick search on google and have come up with several references to a Baptist minister from Lincolnshire, who died in 1692:. I suspect that may be a relation, possibly a son? There are also other references to Thomas Grantham from Lincolnshire, one of which is definitely the Sir who was possibly the father, though this one shows an early link with Hampden:. There's also a Sir Thomas Grantham, 1641-1718:, and a Thomas Grantham who was master of Peter House in Cambridge in 1642:. I didn't know it was such a common name!!! --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 22:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC) This file (p.45) says that Thomas Grantham the preacher was born to "Ralf and Elyzabeth Grantham in Spilsby on 15 April 1633" So maybe a more distant relative, if at all. Alansplodge (talk) 18:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * PS according to familysearch.org there was a Thomas Grantham baptised in Goltho, Lincolnshire on 5th November 1612, son of Sir Thomas Grantham and Frances Puckering. The record shows that he married Dorothy Alford (no date given) and that he died in 1655. --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 22:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * SEE NOTE BELOW Alansplodge (talk) 20:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Dr Neamati
Apologies, but I corrected some grammar in your note on the above discussion. I know changing others' comments in these discussions is a Bad ThingTM but I'm OCD and the sentence wasn't making sense! --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 18:00, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, I can see why, thanks for the correction :) Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Speedy deletion of Ryan Matthews(musician,band)
Hi, I find that if the original author has blanked the page it's just as easy to replace the content with db-author. I have done this with the above article. --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 22:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it didn't matter anyway, either way it was going to be speedy deleted. Both of those reasons are fine. Any administrator would see that. Thanks anyway. Techman224  Talk  22:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I find though that it assumes good faith with the originating author. They are making an attempt at removing non-notable material, therefore it shows good faith to accept their attempt and mark the article as db-author, rather than berating them for removing speedy templates.  I think the latter method bites the newbies a bit too much. --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 22:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It may have, but that's the message everyone else uses, Uw-speedy2. It's part of the warnings we give to users that don't behave properly, you start with level 1, which is the lowest and it assumes good faith, then if the user continues, you step it up all the way to level 4. After level 4, if the user still continues, it gets reported to WP:AIV. You can take a look at Template messages/User talk namespace and ask for improvements to those messages if you want, or if one doesn't make sense. Techman224  Talk  23:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

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Colonel Grantham again!
I have added a section about the Grantham family to the Goltho page. I thought this was the best way forward since we don't have enough to make a stand-alone article out of. Hope you approve. Alansplodge (talk) 20:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That's about as much as we can do until more information is found. It may be that's as notable as he got.  Who knows? --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 21:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

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Jimbo Wales meets a prostitute
Its a fan-fic, not vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moralreflections (talk • contribs) 22:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually it's a violation of WP:CSD: Pages that disparage or threaten their subject. Besides the deleting admin appeared to agree with me, not you. --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 21:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephan Ohsowski
Lol!!! Sorry but this guy's actions have just made him out to be an asshole tonight. He's on a final warning for removing the afd template from the article, he keeps blanking his own user talk page so you can't see all the warnings he's been left when you visit, and he's just been "well obviously I'm notable, it's official" in all communications. I should berate you for your personal attack on him, but I just spat Pepsi Max all over my computer screen in laughter! --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 21:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I wasn't really a personal attack on Stephan Ohsowski, more an obervation. It was his DOB which was listed as March 2010. I got this flash imagining him as a baby running for office. scope_creep (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I only just noticed that. --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 22:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "We provide the best possible web design services." Quoted from someone's company's website... Peridon (talk) 22:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh and thank you for also pointing out the obvious COI issues in the article. Do you think he's got the message yet? --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 22:40, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there's a chance. I mean, there's even a chance of me becoming Pope. (All it would take would be the demise of every other male over 18 or so....) Peridon (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Dunno why, but I suddenly felt the urge to look at your user page. What's Euskara? --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 22:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Basque. For some reason not known to me, I acquired a talk page there. (Just got a message saying it was there. Nice welcoming box on it, all in Basque.) So I created a userpage to go with it - "Idazle ingelesa naiz. Ez dut euskaraz hitz egiten. I hau Google itzulitako." (Can't remember exactly what it says - probably that I am an English writer and don't speak Basque. And I used Google to translate - which probably results in it not meaning what I wanted it to anyway. No-one's complained yet.) I have got edits on the other ones - even the Norwegian. (I stopped the speedy on a rather obscure article about a rather obscure Viking (or someone), went to the Norwegian version for refs, couldn't find much - and added one I found in English.) I have to be careful in the foreign places - humour is not easy to translate. (I have made jokes in French, though. Seemed to work. Didn't get thrown out of the bistro.) Peridon (talk) 23:02, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a unified login? It creates a user page for your name if you are logged into one project and for whatever reason visit another.  I go to other language wikis all the time while patrolling recent changes and new pages (what I do when I'm bored or should be working) and so subsequently have userpages all over the shot including, obscurely, in the Chinese Wikipedia.  Very few of them have edits however.  I have the dubious honour of being one of many British people who can speak no other language apart from the smattering of French I learned in school (I failed O-Level French). --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 23:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Never found automatic userpages. I just make 'em where I've edited. (Makes note - must do one on the Dutch place.) I'm one those who can read to a greater or lesser extent in many European languages (but not Basque...) - and can spot spam in many more (including Indonesian on one occasion). When in France, I speak French quite well - have even been taken for French (OK, Alsatian) by French people (they couldn't place my accent - which isn't surprising, 'cos English people can't place my accent in English - and they fixed on Alsace. Better than being thought Belgian...). Peridon (talk) 23:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Surely speaking Alsatian would involve lots of barks and woofs? --  role <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:#9ACD32">player 23:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a bit rough (rough, rough!)... I see our friend is now blocked twice over - name for one and IP address for still deleting AfD. I feel sorry for the people he's going to represent. Peridon (talk) 19:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)