User talk:Roman Spinner/Archive 6 (2016 and 2017)

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 * Most kind of you. My thanks. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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Bad Sister, Thunder Mountain, others
I've cleaned up these and other disambiguation pages that you've worked on; the entries were much too long. From MOS:DABENTRY: "Keep the description associated with a link to a minimum, just sufficient to allow the reader to find the correct link." The purpose of dab pages is to allow readers to navigate to the specific page they already have in mind, not to be read as an encyclopedia article. As such, please only include key information that is useful to disambiguate; in the case of films, this will usually be a year (often part of the link), and possibly a director or a star; not supporting cast members or a plot summary. Such additional information belongs in the linked article, but not in its dab page entry. Thanks! — swpb T 17:54, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I am most appreciative of your kindness in taking the time to communicate with me regarding your contribution to these two (and "others") disambiguation pages. Over the years, a few editors have left messages on my talk page concerning this matter and, rather than reword my answers to them, permit me to provide links to a couple of these communications:
 * User talk:Roman Spinner
 * User talk:Roman Spinner
 * &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:57, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

swpb, you'll find that's a sugar-coated way of saying, yes, Roman's been told multiple times and know it doesn't fit with the consensus, but will still waste lots of editors' time and good will because they will need to re-write them. And yes, Roman's been asked multiple times to start a discussion on the Wikiproject if he think the guidelines should be adjusted slightly to his way of thinking, but for some reason won't do that and will just carry on unilaterally doing whatever he likes. Boleyn (talk) 19:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Postings from such a valued longtime contributor as User:Boleyn, who has visited my talk page on a few previous (all too rare) occasions (one of the above links details my exchange with Boleyn in April 2012), are always welcome and held in high regard. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well now, that is interesting. Depending on how often you have been told this and ignored it, this may rise to the level of disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. At the very least, you now have one more editor who will be checking up on you to make sure you respect consensus. At the most, it's perfectly possible for you to endanger your editing privileges by continuing this way; arbitration is a definite possibility. A decade of seniority is meaningless when you choose to ignore the consensus of the community. Boleyn has told you the only proper way to challenge that consensus. — swpb T 19:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I thank you for finding this matter interesting and hope that you have had the opportunity to peruse my responses to the earlier communications (linked above) to determine that my editing pattern does not, indeed, "rise to the level of disrupting Wikipedia to make a point". Any and all editors are welcome to "check up" on me to make sure I respect consensus of the community, which I do, indeed, respect and do not feel I have ignored (or have been ignoring) and never had any intention of challenging such consensus. As for "endanger your editing privileges" and "arbitration is a definite possibility", I see that your seniority is nearly equal to my "decade of seniority" and therefore I would welcome arbitration if that is the route you wish to take. In the meantime, your postings, such as those of User:Boleyn will always be welcome on my talk page. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:48, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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Cast credits
Although putting names in the order they're billed in on a film's credits is fine, as is adding in names that have been missed, please do not make any other edits with the attempt to approximate the format of a film's credits. We use a standard format: Actor name ad Character name. Please use this in the future. BMK (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Also "Cast" is the standard section title, please don't use "The players" or other variations sometimes used by films. Thanks. BMK (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * My gratitude for your most valued input. It is greatly appreciated. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 23:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Re: "The Foursome" -- well done, sorry for my error. BMK (talk) 01:03, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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 * Most kind of you to notify me. I will be happy to proceed toward the indicated link and engage in said discussion. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 21:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

disambiguation page ban
lBy community consensus, you are prohibited from editing disambiguation pages and talk pages of disambiguation pages. As I said in my closing statement, I suggest you create a sandbox if you wish to propose changes to dab pages.

I'd like to say one more thing: your points are being lost because you're using too many words. Be more concise. Longer isn't necessarily better. Katietalk 20:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I thank you for your most kind attention to this discussion and the very helpful suggestion of the manner in which dab page changes may continue to be proposed. As for the word count, I regret that there were too many statements to submit and too few words with which to make such statements. I am able to make very brief statements and have made them, along with the lengthy ones, here on this talk page. However, if I counteracted the opposing arguments with short replies, without submissions of supportive evidence, then such short points would have had even less effect than my long statements, without even leaving a historical record as to the basic particulars at the heart of this discussion. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:16, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Mystery of the Wax Museum
Hi, Roman. Glad to help if I can. First off, I should say I don't know offhand the MOS for "&" writers; I know the Writers Guild distinction between "&" and "and", but without looking it up myself, I honestly don't know if our infoboxes simply list names and leave the &/and specifics for the article body.

I would say: based on = "The Wax Works" by Charles S. Belden

The "music" field in the infobox is for the composer, not the orchestra and conductor.

Unless the Vitaphone Corp. was a studio or a production company, it should not be in the "studio" field.

Keep in mind infoboxes shouldn't contain information unsupported elsewhere in the article. I know this was not your edit, but we cannot list Henry Blanke as an uncredited producer without RS citation, so I'm removing that but leaving your edits intact for you and other editors to work on. Hope this helps. --Tenebrae (talk)
 * I very much appreciate your taking the time to examine the details of this matter. As to the points you raised, some films separate writers by using a comma, other films use an "and" and still other films use an ampersand. The on-screen writing credits in this film use "&" for separation. If that symbol is considered inappropriate, any other connecting mark will suffice.
 * The on-screen credit states, "based on the story by Charles S. Belden" (there is no mention that the story's title is "The Wax Works" or that it is unpublished -- both of those elements are unsupported)


 * The sole on-screen music credit is given as "Vitaphone Orchestra conducted by Leo F. Forbstein" (there is no mention of composer Cliff Hess -- his name is an unsupported element).


 * The on-screen credit states "Warner Bros. Pictures, Inc. & The Vitaphone Corp. Present", but since Vitaphone Corp. was a sound system company, rather than a studio or a production company, then that would apparently make it ineligible for the "studio" field.


 * As you indicate, producer Henry Blanke's name was not part of my edit, and does not appear in the credits. I left it as it was, reasoning that the parenthetical "(uncredited)" would be sufficient.


 * However, regarding your words, "I'm removing that but leaving your edits intact", I should explain that although I initially left you this link, I neglected to leave you the link for the edit that immediately followed and which left none of my edits intact. However, 12 minutes after you made the edit concerning Henry Blanke's name, there were 13 edits made in the space of 39 minutes to Mystery of the Wax Museum, but in those 13 edits, only two of my 12 links/adjustments were restored and even those restorations were incomplete. In any event, I appreciate your willingness to help and thank you for it. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 03:49, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

If you attempt once again to force your preferred version of the article by editing it without a consensus of editors on the talk page, I will immediately take your behavior to AN/I to be examined by the editors there. If you want to discuss the other items that I disagree with, I'm happy to read succinct explanations of your reasoning, but I am not spending my life reading walls-of-text from you. BMK (talk) 21:54, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No force is necessary. The consensus of all reasonable editors is already there, because none of my edits are matters of opinion or personal preference, but straight facts and corrections. The sole editor who insists on retaining all the errors, omissions, lack of links and all other inadequacies is yourself. I would more than welcome an ANI review. I have already explained in complete detail at Talk:Mystery of the Wax Museum all of the necessary corrections to be made within the article. It is you who is refusing to explain why you wish to retain the clearly incorrect and incomplete portions which I have completed and corrected. The corrections are so clearly indicated that I am truly astonished that you refuse to see them and discuss them. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 22:12, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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Andre de Toth
Since you changed the name you should really also fix the template, which has the old form of the name (with diacritic): Template:André de Toth  Quis separabit?  17:52, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I thank you for the kind reminder and will attend to the matter immediately. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Carol Saunders Wood
We don't usually title articles by the full legal names of their subjects, but rather by the names they most commonly used: see WP:COMMONNAME. In the case of Carol Wood, "Carol Wood" is the name she published under and also the name on her personal web site, so that's the name I think we should use as the article title. Therefore I have moved it there, in effect undoing your page move. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I am deferring to your expertise as the creator of this article. As a way of explanation, however, I'd like to offer a few observations. When making the move, I submitted the following edit summary, "the full name is indicated in appended cites, including subject's own curriculum vitae as well as the Wesleyan University faculty list and Mathematics Genealogy Project". In fact, while the above-mentioned personal website's main header states, "Carol Wood's Home Page A work in progress…", directly below, the link to her own Curriculum Vitae leads us to "CAROL SAUNDERS WOOD". Among the article's own cites, AMS Biographies of Candidates 2006 lists the name as Carol Saunders Wood as does the Mathematics Genealogy Project. Still another cite, Commencement Speakers Past, also depicts MATHEMATICS + BERKELEY 1998 - Carol Saunders Wood, Professor of Mathematics at Wesleyan University.
 * Faced with those cites, it seemed to me at the time I moved the article title that "Carol Saunders Wood" was, in fact, the WP:COMMONNAME, rather than the existing main title header, Carol S. Wood. There was no appended example of her pen name, although one of the cites, which referred to her as "Carol Wood", indicated that it was likely "C. Wood".
 * I will end on that point, but would also like to point out that, as a result of these moves, Articles for deletion/Carol Wood was appended to Talk:Carol Wood. The AfD refers to another (now deleted) same-named subject. I am deleting it from the mathematician's talk page. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 23:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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Archives of Talk:Peter Pan (1953 film)
Please do not unarchive discussions as you did here, especially when they have been archived for almost two years. Archiving discussions does not "hide" the discussions as they are easily accessible via the "Archives" link at the top of the page. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 14:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your contacting me regarding this matter.


 * One of the reasons for my action was based on the lead sentence of Help:Archiving a talk page: "It is customary to periodically archive old discussions on a talk page when that page becomes too large."


 * Talk:Peter Pan (1953 film) was / is, even in its full form, a relatively brief talk page containing various topics which would certainly be of interest to anyone who cared enough to move to the talk page after visiting the main page. Whether the page was archived almost two years or almost two days ago should not matter since there was no claim that the reason for archiving virtually the entire collection of talk page comments for the 63-year-old film was because the content of said comments was outdated or immaterial.


 * It might seem that leaving the talk page nearly empty is unhelpful to the extent that users, often or not, continue to respond to visible old postings containing fact queries and other questions raised through the years. Many casual users, especially ones unfamiliar with detailed usage of Wikipedia, may miss the tiny number "1" in the "Archives" box or may not even realize that it represents a link.


 * The absence of any visible discussions may, in fact, discourage users from leaving comments [the sole visible postings are two micro-comments which are three-and-a-half and two-and-a-half years old, respectively]. Although you refer to past discussions as being "easily accessible", once those are archived, "out of sight, out of mind" appears to be the most frequent outcome, with a nearly-non-existent possibility of continuing a thread from past years which is now buried behind a layer of archiving.


 * I will leave it at that and, with due respect to your viewpoint, we will have to agree to disagree regarding archiving of the nature displayed at Talk:Peter Pan (1953 film). &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 15:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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Point of order
Just kidding. Hello RS. Thanks for taking care of the move of William Campbell (actor, born 1923) and for being so detailed in the edit summary. It sure helped to make clear what was going on. Considering the fact that the 50 year anniversary of the broadcast of the first Star Trek episode is next week the article should have been moved to William Campbell (Trelane, Koloth) but I'm guessing that only works on the Memory Alpha wikia :-) Thanks again and cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:09, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And my thanks to you for taking the time to post such a considerate note. Your sentiments, especially as a Trekkie, are very much appreciated. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. I hope that you have a pleasant Labor Day weekend! MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:53, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I thank you, once again, for your kind words and for all your continuing contributions to Wikipedia. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 13:29, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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Glad to see that you plan to attend the event. I am wondering if you are planning to come both days, September 27th and 29th? Also I need to have your name as listed on government issued photo ID for the security guards. If you don't wish to give it here in talk, you can register at http://NYTMWikipedia.eventbrite.com Librarianhelen (talk) 18:33, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for such a well-selected event and, while I may still be able to attend both days, another engagement on the morning of the 27th, makes it likelier that my sole day there will be the 29th. As for my name, it is the same as my username, Roman Spinner. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:03, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Such a perfect name for a textiles event. There are fewer folks signed up for Thursday, so I am happy to add another to the list. I will be sure to place you name on security list for Thursday. Please remember to bring a government issued photo ID, which you will need to enter the Goodman Center building on the SE corner of 27th St and 7th Ave. The library entrance is on the 5th Floor. See you then. Librarianhelen (talk) 21:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I am looking forward to it. Thank you for contacting me. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 22:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

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Buddy Holly template
Hello, You've contributed to Buddy Holly template. There's a conflict on it and I'd like you to give your opinion. Elfast (talk) 16:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * My sole edit to the template, five-and-a-half years ago, was intended to adjust a disambiguating qualifier, but I see nothing objectionable in returning to participate in a discussion. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 02:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Oleh Sentsov
Thank you for your comment and explanation. There is much to consider.

I am particularly alarmed (I struggled to find a more neutral word for that and failed) by your statement that Amnesty International continue to use Oleg. Surely they would be aware of the implications?

Feel free to reply or to email me (andrewa at alder.ws if you wish to use an anonymous server for this, which I don't think you can do using the link on my user page). Andrewa (talk) 07:41, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I am most appreciative of your concern with the human rights aspect of this discussion. Although there is a fairly common belief that disagreements regarding main title headers are of minor importance because redirects attend to all other variants, in cases where national linguistic pride is involved, there is no compromise with the unrelenting desire to possess the main header, as attested by numerous WP:RMs.
 * Such accented and/or diacritical considerations may be considered fairly trivial in most cases, but when a political prisoner faces spending much of his life in harsh faraway confinement, name transliteration gains additional importance. That is not to imply that any name form would influence Sentsov's fate, but it would be, at least, a statement, based upon the clearly WP:NPOV application of WP:UKRAINIANNAMES. While Sentsov has a Russian surname and completed some of his higher education in Moscow, I have not seen any claims that he has dual Russian-Ukrainian citizenship and there is no disputing the fact that he was arrested on internationally-recognized Ukrainian territory and is himself internationally recognized as a Ukrainian citizen.
 * Although I am dismayed by Amnesty International's use of "Oleg" rather than "Oleh", it is to be expected when the Ukrainian government's own foreign ministry, in its condemnation of Setsov's arrest, has used "Oleg". The unfortunate, but simple, explanation is that the Ukrainian language has long been a poor stepchild of Russian and the transliteration of Cyrillic alphabet variants (into forms used in Latin alphabet) has long followed the dominant Russian example.
 * In taking nothing away from the praiseworthy dedication of Amnesty International, we should realize that it is an international organization, operating in many languages, which uses forms generally seen in reliable sources and, in issuing an English-language pronouncement, apparently did not consult with those who are knowledgeable in Ukrainian-Russian name variants nor, as you point out, realized any possible implications in such variants. The U.S. State Department, on the other hand, obviously did consult with its Ukrainian experts before issuing its communique which uses "Oleh".
 * The Ukrainian foreign ministry's use of "Oleg" may appear to be even more dismaying until one realizes that all such government announcements are originally in Ukrainian and are subsequently forwarded to government translators tasked with rendering these into the world's major languages. All of the previous Ukrainian government were, in one way or another, subservient to Russia and many or most of the government employees are likely holdovers from the Soviet era or later hires who studied in Russia.
 * Finally, I also appreciate that you are concerned regarding my need for anonymity. Although my name and my user name are the same, I am based in the U.S. and feel that an honest discussion of this topic, along with the welcome participation of Russian Wikipedians, should be free of rancor and not cause jeopardy for any participant. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:49, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

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A propos of Carl Gustav Jung and his Frauen
Hello Roman. I have a request for help, if you can. I am of very recent vintage on Wikipedia and would like to propose the deletion of a Jung-related article, Jungfrauen it is a non-topic, but could I suppose be justified as trivia in a paragraph merged into the main Carl Gustav Jung article. I don't know how to tag it to get a discussion going to delete and merge. I have had a go at editing it, and have left my comments there, but in truth I think it's a prank. Thank you. --Po Kadzieli (talk) 19:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your contacting me regarding this curious subject. I will examine the matter and participate in providing a resolution. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 14:43, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you and a propos your editorial birthday, and incidentally the excellent summary on the CGJ talk page, 'wszystkiego najlepszego oraz dużo pomyślności!'. Kind regards, --Po Kadzieli (talk) 09:35, 26 November 2016 (UTC)== A propos of Carl Gustav Jung and his Frauen ==

Hello Roman. I have a request for help, if you can. I am of very recent vintage on Wikipedia and would like to propose the deletion of a Jung-related article, Jungfrauen it is a non-topic, but could I suppose be justified as trivia in a paragraph merged into the main Carl Gustav Jung article. I don't know how to tag it to get a discussion going to delete and merge. I have had a go at editing it, and have left my comments there, but in truth I think it's a prank. Thank you. --Po Kadzieli (talk) 19:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your contacting me regarding this curious subject. I will examine the matter and participate in providing a resolution. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 14:43, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you and a propos your editorial birthday, and incidentally the excellent summary on the CGJ talk page, 'wszystkiego najlepszego oraz dużo pomyślności!'. Kind regards, --Po Kadzieli (talk) 09:35, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * My gratitude for your taking the time to send such supportive sentiments. I też jestem wdzięczny za otrzymanie takich dodatkowo przyjemnych słów w języku ojczystym. Thank you. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I salute your patience and stamina in your entirely justifiable proposal. I don't know if this is of any use, but 'Carl Jung' is a celebrated German manufacturer of non-alcoholic wines, established in 1903. You may like to consult: www.carljungwines.com/. Moreover, jako długoletni analityk, student i wykładowca w tejże dziedzinie, prawie wyłącznie w języku angielskim, you will always have my vote in this regard. However, as I have already discovered during my brief sojourn on Wikipedia, there are some 'hard nuts' that will not be told. This is why I have withdrawn from the discussion. If they were not so proprietorial, I would suggest consulting any one of the learned societies in the field, in Great Britain, the United States or in Zurich which is the seat of the International Association for Analytical Psychology. I have little doubt they would endorse your proposal. On the other hand, there are people out there who are 'camp followers' - and good luck to them - who may have a tendency to bowdlerise somewhat and hence the current title. Jak powyżej, dużo pomyślności! --Po Kadzieli (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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The Squall (1993 film) listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect The Squall (1993 film). Since you had some involvement with the The Squall (1993 film) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:27, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the notice and will visit the linked page. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

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Duplicate move request
Hey Roman Spinner, just wondering why you created a separate move request instead of proposing your alternative within the current discussion. It isn't a best practice to have two desperate conversations going on regarding a move. Respectfully, please refactor your alternate proposal into a !vote for an alternate title as part of the current discussion thread. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Tiggerjay. I appreciate your contacting me regarding this matter, thus presenting an opportunity to clarify any possible misunderstandings. Judging by the link you submitted above, your reference to "two desperate conversations" is focused upon Talk:Weija-Gbawe (Ghana parliament constituency) and Talk:Weija-Gbawe (Ghana parliament constituency), with a glance at the withdrawn Talk:Weija-Gbawe (Ghana parliament constituency). The key point to be noticed in these nominations is that, while I commented upon their specifics, all three were submitted by User:Sandiooses. The related, but separate, mass nomination of 24 entries which I submitted is located at Talk:Ablekuma Central (Ghana parliament constituency). I did notify sandiooses regarding my nomination, but have had no other communication. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 23:44, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Merry
So considerate of you to write,. I am most grateful and wish you a happy future for all the years to come! &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:48, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Raymond Chan Chi-chuen
You were involved in the previous RM discussion. I invite you to comment on the latest RM one. --George Ho (talk) 20:05, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Roman Spinner
How thoughtful of you to send such a much-appreciated card, Sam Sailor. Please accept my gratitude for your contributions to Wikipedia and my sincerest wishes for your continued enjoyment of life! &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:16, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Weija (Ghana parliament constituency)
All sorted now! Thanks for supporting sandioosesTextMe 13:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

A page you started (British Academy Scotland Awards) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating British Academy Scotland Awards, Roman Spinner! Wikipedia editor Xcia0069 just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you: "Good page" To reply, leave a comment on Xcia0069's talk page. Learn more about page curation. Xcia0069 (talk) 09:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the posting, but cannot take the credit for creating this page. While I did create, over four years ago, the redirect which contained this page's main title header, the creator of the page's content is User:ChrisGFA who also contributed numerous other entries in this series. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 03:30, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Roman Spinner, thought the article needed a fresh lick of paint ChrisGFA (talk) 12:19, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome, ChrisGFA. All of your entries exemplify the highest level of professional effort and are a true credit to Wikipedia as well as being much appreciated. You more than deserve all the accolades and "Good page" evaluations. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 12:53, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Roman. and I had a similar situation in '; I'd created a redirect, and a year or two later Lugnuts turned it into an article. Since only he and I had edited the page, we decided to move it to his userspace without leaving a redirect, and he restarted the article in main space and got the credit he deserved. Since the only substantial edits to  have been by, I suppose something similar could be done in this case. You could try asking , who knows these matters like the back of his hand. Best, — Sam Sailor''' 14:23, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Sam. Very kind of you to offer such helpful advice. I will immediately contact Anthony Appleyard and ask for assistance in remedying this situation. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 21:27, 23 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Do you want me to history-merge some user/British Academy Scotland Awards or similar to British Academy Scotland Awards, or what? If so, please specify what is to be done. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:19, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Anthony Appleyard, thank you for your help. If it is possible to delete my name from the article's revision history, that would solve the matter or, alternatively, the entire article could be temporarily deleted and subsequently restored with a new revision history indicating ChrisGFA as the first user name. Perhaps others may have additional suggestions. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:34, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the history of page British Academy Scotland Awards is as it is, and it was started by overwriting an old redirect, and that is part of the page's history. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your involvement and will be happy to accept whatever resolutions anyone is willing to propose. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:54, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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Coro region
Good day, I saw you support the change name of Sistema Coriano to Coro region. Since the article is talking about a geographic natural region of Venezuela, the name of "Coro region" haven't been in use in English language to describe this unit. I'm suggesting (if the case it's to change the article name in English) the use of Coriano System, Coro System or Lara-Falcón Hill System since a lot of scientist papers and other reliable source have mentioned that name for that region. I might show you the following links so you can check:
 * Geographic Regions: Coriano System
 * Falcon State is located in the northwest region of Venezuela. The Caribbean Sea bathes its 685-kilometers coastline, while its continental area is formed by flatlands, hills and mountain ranges that belong to the Coriano Mountain System.
 * ...suggested that a population from the northwestern Coriano System ...
 * Biological Act of Venezuela: Coriano System
 * Sistema Coriano (Coro system)
 * Venezuela's General Geography: "...the intermediate-height formations of the Coriano system..."

I haven't seen any article neither other information in English language, naming that geographic-natural area as "Coro region". That's why I don't support the change of name to "Coro region", since there are other reliable English-name for that area, we can use instead of the proposed one. --Gabrielsanz (talk) 07:28, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your contacting me regarding the region's English-language name and taking the time to provide a wealth of data on this subject. On the basis of those submissions, I will defer to your geographical expertise by changing my vote to "Neutral". &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 14:10, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Stephen Miller (aide)
FYI. . I didn't ping you on the page, so as to keep the votes cleaner. --David Tornheim (talk) 06:11, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Editing comments
Please read Talk page guidelines, note that this is a behavioural guideline and that this edit is in violation of it.

I have now replied to your modified comment, so please do not revert it or change it again. Thank you. Andrewa (talk) 17:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Relevance of other Wikipedias
I urge you to put your views at WT:AT, from which I have now twice pinged you.

I believe that your continued reference to other language Wikipedias is at least bordering on failing to get the point. Andrewa (talk) 05:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your notification and will follow the link to join the above-mentioned discussion. I am surprised, however to find that you seem to consider our sister/brother/fellow Wikipedias as so unworthy of consultation that the mere mention of other Wikipedias' main title headers in discussions should bring forth accusations of disruptive editing. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 13:16, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It is not the mention of them that is disruptive. It is the repeated raising of this particular argument in the face of a clear and policy-based consensus that it is irrelevant.
 * I do not consider our sister/brother/fellow Wikipedias as so unworthy of consultation... at all. This rhetoric is unhelpful and untruthful, and was also raised by you in point 2) of a post to which I have already replied. Andrewa (talk) 01:47, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I am glad to have the opportunity to discuss this matter further. If I understand you correctly, it is not disruptive to mention other Wikipedias, but it is disruptive to mention that the article titles in those Wikipedias are different from those in English Wikipedia. More specifically, if I dare to mention on the pages of English Wikipedia that 67 other-language Wikipedias use the name Carl Gustav Jung or that other-language Wikipedias use the main header Oleh Sentsov, I would be guilty of behavioral problems and disruptive behavior requiring punishment, since such facts regarding our fellow projects have been judged to be irrelevant to the discussion and, as a result, must be kept from our fellow Wikipedians lest it confuse and disturb those who may not have researched these topics on their own time. If I am incorrect in this perception, I would welcome an explanation as to which aspects of my depiction above are incorrect.
 * While I mentioned the form of main title headers upon other-language Wikipedias' talk page discussions regarding Jung and Sentsov, I never made other Wikipedias the centerpiece of my argumentation, but simply felt that it was one aspect of the total picture that should be made available to those Wikipedians who may have been unaware of it.
 * As for engaging in rhetoric, that was never my intention, but accusations of behavioral problems and disruptive editing are deeply negative charges which were entirely based upon my mention of other Wikipedias' headers atop their Jung and Sentsov entries. The natural progression from that point appeared to represent that your comments were a denigration of other Wikipedias as having nothing relevant or helpful to contribute to the discussion.
 * Since the behavioral/disruptive accusations were based upon the Jung/Sentsov discussions, I had to provide the proper context for the original mentions and therefore had to make frequent mention (at the WT:AT discussion) of the foreign Wikipedias, thus making it appear as if I make mentions of these Wikis on regular/continuous basis.
 * I posted all my responses at the same time, 13:16, 4 March 2017 (UTC), well before your mention, "and was also raised by you in point 2) of a post to which I have already replied", since your reply was dated 21:20, 4 March 2017. In any event, since you describe my above-quoted comments as "unhelpful and untruthful", I offer my apology for them and hope to arrive at a reasonable resolution. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:10, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

As there now appears to be no hope of consensus at wt:Article titles, I must withdraw my suggestion that your repeatedly raising this argument is disruptive, with apologies. It remains my opinion that you would do better not to appeal to this particular argument at all, but this is just a personal opinion. Andrewa (talk) 07:31, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I am grateful for your taking the time and effort to contact me. In my eleven years of editing Wikipedia, I have rarely resorted to pointing out comparisons between name forms in English Wikipedia and other-language Wikipedias, but if such a comparison ever needed pointing out, then the Jung and Sentsov pages were certainly prime candidates for it due to the highly particular circumstances I felt were inherent in the argumentation therein.
 * I respect your view and the the views of others who hold a different opinion, but feel that when an editor comes across a naming dispute centering upon a topic from outside the English-speaking world, he or she should not feel constrained or afraid of violating a clearly-stated guideline if an opportunity presents itself to offer the discussion participants a neutral view of the topic from another perspective. Such a view may well be rejected by the participants, but they should not be prevented from being exposed to it. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 08:59, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Space after heading
You appear to be automatically removing the spaces after headings, such as in [this edit]. A blank line after the heading is optional per MOS:HEAD and established optional styles should not be changed without a good reason per WP:STYLEVAR. SpinningSpark 11:23, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your taking the time to communicate with me and for presenting me with the opportunity to explain those edits. When editing articles for corrections, additions, disambiguations, links, etc, I also pay attention to spacing consistency. If all section headers in an article are uniformly followed by a blank space or if all such headers are immediately followed by text, I make no adjustments. However, in the case of random inconsistency, such as that within the article you presented within the linked example above, I tend to adjust such spaces.
 * In examining the content of the article in question, Topology (electrical circuits), as it appeared immediately before my edit, one can determine the then-existing section header spacing:

1."Circuit diagrams" had no space 2."Topology names" had a space 3."Series and parallel topologies" had a space 4."Y and Δ topologies" had no space 5.Simple filter topologies" had no space 6."Bridge topology" had no space 7."Bridged T and Twin-T topologies" had no space 8."Infinite topologies" had no space 9."Components with more than two terminals" had a space 10."Graph theory" had a space 10.1."History" had a space 10.2."Graphs and circuit diagrams" had no space 10.3."Incidence" had no space 10.4."Equivalence" had a space 10.5."Trees and links" had no space 10.6."Tie sets and cut sets" had a space 10.7."Nullity and rank" had a space 10.8."Solving the network variables" had a space 10.9."Duality" had a space 10.10."Node and mesh elimination" had a space 10.11."Mutual coupling" had no space 10.12."Active components" had a space 10.12.1."Hypergraphs" had a space 10.13."Non-homogeneous variables" had a space 10.14."Network synthesis" had a space 10.15."Infinite networks" had a space 11."Notes" had no space 12."See also" had no space 13."References" had no space 14."Bibliography" had a space
 * Thus, among the 30 section headers, 13 had no space and 17 had a space. It seemed to be a non-controversial adjustment to indicate all headers uniformly without a space. If you would prefer, however, that I return the headers to their original spaced/unspaced form, please let me know. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 22:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Pam D  09:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

April 2017
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for breaking your ban on editing disambiguation pages, as you did at Ivan Saric. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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Pretty Hurts
Hello, I don't know if you remember recommending a dab page for Pretty Hurts, but I had it made for you just so you know. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:E559:381A:F74C:F65B (talk) 15:17, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Your effort and kindness in notifying me is much appreciated. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 15:32, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. However, my work has been removed by Cuchullain. I am setting up a move request at Talk:Pretty Hurts#Requested move 24 July 2017 that I would like you to participate in to help me get my point across if you are interested. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:E559:381A:F74C:F65B (talk) 22:20, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Move requests at Requested moves/Technical requests concerning commas
Hi, Roman Spinner. When you requested that Benjamin Franklin Jr. be moved back to Benjamin Franklin, Jr. (diff), Dicklyon then listed nine more such cases (diff). I just wanted to let you know that I initially removed them (diff) and started a discussion at after your own revert request. But to no avail, as the edits were re-listed (diff) and completed (diff). Just wanted to let you know that I'd tried some action against the constant listings. --  Alex TW 08:46, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Lawrence of Rome has been nominated for discussion
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September 2017
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Talk:Home Alone. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you.  The Old Jacobite   The '45 23:00, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
 * If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
 * I will reply to your posting in the same wording and spirit as you replied to mine: "Do not leave any further messages here". Your deletion of my posts on the article talk page was in violation of Talk page guidelines and the deletion of those posts is being done not by "multiple editor", but only by you and one other editor, on an alternative basis, and if you continue to delete them, I will continue to repost them, since the talk page clearly states that it is the venue for suggesting improvements to the article, and my posts are most assuredly suggestions for improvements to the article and contain no "inappropriate" elements. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:54, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Two editors is "multiple" editors.
 * I fail to see how posting the entire cast list "for the record" has anything to do with improving the article. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 00:02, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your participation in this discussion which may hopefully provide a fresh outlook regarding the issue in question. You are, of course, correct that "Two editors is "multiple" editors", but still not "multiple editor", as it appears in its original venue. Furthermore, using such a form, even with plural "editors", blurs the fact that the author of this posting added self to create the multiplicity of two editors. Under those circumstances, the use of "multiple" to buttress one's own argument seems disingenuous.
 * It should be also noted that the deletions have continued to encompass not only the cast list, but also my two postings under section header "Larry Hankin in the opening credits of Home Alone", thus leaving another editor's original posting bereft of follow-up commentary.
 * Furthermore, this was my posting at the top of the complete cast list:
 * At the bottom of the list, I added these words:
 * The explanations (as indicated in green, above) have continued to be deleted, along with the complete cast list. As a result, users are confronted with a cherry-picked cast list, but discussion of that fact is being deleted on the talk page.
 * As a further examination of that point, a cherry-picked cast list consisting of all the blue-linked cast members is possible if properly presented. I attempted such a presentation within the article here by listing all 11 cast members who appear in the opening credits and, alongside, a second list, selected to indicate all those who have a Wikipedia article, but are listed only in the closing credits [listing them in the order of those names' on-screen appearance under the heading "Selected cast list in closing credits"]. That cast list was almost immediately restructured and reduced, while being described as "That's not constructive" in the edit summary.
 * One of the purposes of a complete cast list is that it deliberately redlinks names which do not have a Wikipedia article, thus enabling users who care about such matters to easily distinguish the positioning of those missing cast members amidst the names of blue-linked actors. Anyone who cares enough about the film to peruse the film's article, may also wish to peruse the content of that film's talk page or leave a comment, possibly regarding the redlinked cast members. Although a number of the redlinked names will likely never rate a Wikipedia article, they were a part of this film and were listed on-screen, therefore the talk page is the place where such a list may be positioned.
 * Also 8 of the film's blue linked actors who are listed in the closing credits: Matt Doherty, Ralph Foody, Billie Bird, Bill Erwin, Gerry Becker, Alan Wilder, Hope Davis and Kenneth Hudson Campbell have Wikipedia articles, but are missing from the article's current cast list (and the links that flow to the article) because their parts are considered too minor. The film's talk page (with its complete cast list) is thus the only venue where these linked names are connected to the film. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 02:55, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Please stop making disruptive edits, as you did at Talk:Home Alone. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing.  The Old Jacobite   The '45 13:52, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
 * If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
 * Although you deleted my posting of a similar boilerplate on your talk page, I have always maintained complete historical accuracy of my talk page and will retain all your postings "For the record". &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 03:03, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Vietnamese place names
Hi Roman, all Vietnamese geographical names on en.wp are spelled in Vietnamese, just like all Turkish, Maltese whatever are all spelled in local Latin font with diacritics. All, 100%. That RM was started by a sock of Genealogizer/Bobby Martnen. The SPI hasn't wound up yet. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:28, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * First off, I'm not a sock, and secondly, shouldn't all names of any sort on the the English Wikipedia be spelled in English? I don't expect to find an article titled chien, nor do I expect to find one titled casa, nor do I expect to find one titled Mittwoch. Why should geographic names be any different? Most actual reliable sources (i.e. Britannica, Columbia, Oxford) that aren't just an anonymous person on the internet agree with me. No offense, but I trust reliable peer-reviewed works far more than I trust someone whom I know absolutely nothing about. And just so you know, apparently the Grand Duchy of Cracow article you want to move to the Polish version of its name was originally at "Cracow", if I'm reading the revision history properly. Academicoffee71 (talk) 03:29, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Bobby, the evidence on the SPI clearly says otherwise. As the case is about to be filed if you wish to defend yourself you should go there quickly. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:08, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, In ictu oculi and thank you for taking the time to contact me. Regardless of submission/presentation circumstances, each topic of contention still deserves to be discussed on its own merits. Even if Academicoffee71 turns out to be the blocked/banned user Genealogizer/Bobby Martnen, his arguments have always been presented in a well-reasearched and highly articulate manner, while the issues he raises still need to be resolved. We have disagreed with his view that the various uses of Kraków should be rendered as Cracow, but I and/or others may agree with him on revision/removal (in English Wikipedia) of diacritics from some names, such as Thiago Alcântara, or from some (obviously, not all) Vietnamese entries that have become, as a result of the Vietnam War or other historical factors, known and referenced in the English-speaking world to a degree sufficient for consideration as exonyms. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 16:33, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Move Review
An editor has asked for a Move review of Grand Duchy of Kraków. Because you participated in the requested move, you might want to participate in the move review. Academicoffee71 (talk) 05:01, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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The "Cry"-ing game
Hiya, Roman. Personally, because of the quote marks, I think Cry 'Havoc' doesn't needs a parenthetical differentiator. But it's not something I feel strongly about either way. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon (Nov 19) and global online Wikipedia Asian Art Month (Nov 1-30)
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A barnstar for you!

 * I'm grateful for your kind words and the barnstar. The participation was sparse and consensus, such as it was, indicated a lack of unanimity. An actress with a career lasting more than a decade, with over 160 credited film and television roles, certainly deserves a Wikipedia entry and will have it restored in due time. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 22:31, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

In the Heat of the Night cast section
Roman, please stop changing the cast section on In the Heat of the Night. Your edits on it are too bulky for anyone with smaller computers, including one of my friend's, and they are having a hard time with it. BattleshipMan (talk) 05:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * BattleshipMan, I regret that you or your friend are having technical problems but, as anyone who examines the film's revision history can instantly see, the difference between your 06:06, 5 December 2017 edit and the previously-existing text is 191 bytes, which is absolutely negligible. Here are 191 bytes: xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx.
 * The above amount of text, represented by those 191 bytes, is so minuscule that it would not overburden even the earliest-made computer. Wikitables containing names, dates, facts and figures appear in multi-thousands of Wikipedia articles which can be viewed on any variety of devices and have not, for a few years now, faced criticism of causing "bulk".
 * Furthermore, as I attempted to explain in my Heat of the Night edit summaries, the current cast list, which you have just restored, is a jumble of cast and character names which does not represent the on-screen form.
 * Ultimately, however, since all of your complaints have always been about the purported "bulk" of the cast list which I have been submitting in place of the one which you have been repeatedly restoring, that Wikitable cast list can be again easily re-inserted, but with the Wikitable, itself, erased. The proper cast list, with the Wikitable lines removed, would not only compensate for those 191 bytes, but would actually use fewer bytes than the currently-existing cast list. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays text.png Hello Roman Spinner: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Tenebrae (talk) 17:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

Thank you, Tenebrae. So kind of you to keep me in mind during this season of remembrance. I am most grateful for your words. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:27, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Maybe interesting
Came by to thank you for inspiring an edit run of the It's a Wonderful Life articles (that 'A' should be probably be capitalized, according to the title screen grab), and, in doing so, resurrected the page of Clarence Odbody, the angel. Pulled it from the river, so to speak. The article has been gone since 2015, when it was deleted in an undiscussed good faith edit and redirected to the film page. If you have time, can you please maybe read, add to, or polish the page? I figure it'll be fun to keep the Clarence the angel page around this time, especially in the spirit of the season (or the season in the spirit). It gets a very nice amount of views per day, which pick up this time of year (and I just created 'Clarence the angel' as a redirect). Thanks, and happy December. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:31, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * And I thank you for your thoughtfulness in taking the time to drop me this much-appreciated note. I particularly enjoyed your taking advantage of the opportunity to channel Captain Spaulding in the recent RM. 'Tis indeed the Season to revive Clarence Odbody and Wikipedians owe you additional thanks for returning him to us. I will, indeed, look in on Clarence and see if I can be of any happy and merry assistance. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 03:46, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Angels tend to gather this time of year, and you have to scatter them with rough language and a bit of the blarney or you never hear the end of it. In my edit run through Wikipedia's It's a Wonderful Life collection I'm finding that the links to Clarence have never been removed, even in the lead of the film's article, thus fueling, in that instance, a two-year circular link (better than solar paneling in some universes). Randy Kryn (talk) 04:13, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Although an editor has again blanked the page I've brought it back again and added to it. The 1986 musical and 1990 film likely add more detail to the character biography, data which wouldn't be added to the 1946 film page (I've never seen the 1990 film, or what sounds like an interesting 1977 gender-switch version). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
 Merry Christmas !!

Hi, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,

Thanks for all your help and contributions on the 'pedia! ,

– Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 11:19, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I am happy to receive the greeting. Thank you so much for the thoughts. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:08, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings
...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Snow-covered greetings… Very enjoyable… So nice of you. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:08, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * This is a little late as I only got through the first half of the alphabet in my deliveries before heading to sleep. Cheers and thanks for your card! 19:07, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Always appreciated. Thank you very much. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:08, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Clarence
A high-five (literally) on saving Clarence from the dust heap of Wikipedia. Your well reasoned research and listing of important sources likely kept away further opposition. To help pull Clarence from the river, hold off those trying to drag him back in, and do this enthusiastically during Christmas week indicates to me that you've already earned your wings long ago. And wasn't it fun! This time we were (and again, quite literally) on the side of the angels. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I am equally appreciative of your gentlemanliness and scholarship. Without your angelic Christmastime initiative, the entire effort would have never gotten off the ground. Like us, Henry Travers was mortal and, at the time of playing Clarence, was approaching the end of his career. Thanks to you, however, and the better angels of Wikipedians yet to come, the links from his Clarence and all future Clarences can now flow to Wikipedia through the next Millennium and into eternity. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:05, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia in the next Millennium (Project 3030) will show the Clarence Odbody article in perfect-holographic brain-imprinted form which instantaneously explores a few million points-of-view at once and leaves the reader with total recall of Clarence's own emotions, intents, and the characters own impact on the flow of society (and the negative turns society would have taken if the Wikipedia page had been deleted back in 2017). Randy Kryn (talk) 01:14, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * From your thoughts to the ears of the Universe. To paraphrase Edward R. Murrow, "Wikipedia can teach, it can illuminate, yes, and it can even inspire… but it can only do so if we look after articles like Clarence and keep Clarence's angelic promise. Otherwise, it is just keystrokes floating into the ether". Perhaps the next step may be to rescue and improve The Last Temptation of Clarence Odbody, which was speedily redirected six years ago (January 6, 2012). There's Clarence and Mr. Potter fan fiction, additional fan fiction involving Clarence, as well as other related texts. Projects for the infinite future. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:58, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Good finds. If a couple of those articles find Wikipedia residence there soon may be a 'Clarence Odbody' category. Wings all around. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)