User talk:Ron Ritzman/Archive 14

AFD for Ek Var Piyu Ne Malva Aavje
Regarding the AFD discussion for Ek Var Piyu Ne Malva Aavje, you wrote that the result was no consensus. When I look at it, though, I see zero !votes in favor of keeping it, and no one was able to come up with any sources. At this point, wouldn't it just be the equivalent of a Prod? Thanks, Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 01:19, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually twice proposed that something like that be written into the deletion policy but it was rejected both times. Here's one of the proposals Still, I will occasionally do it, usually for BLPs. Ironically, this AFD would not qualify under any of my previous versions of this proposal because in my judgement, MQS's comment was a "neutral comment leaning toward keep". --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:43, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough… would you have a problem with me prod'ing it in the near future? Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 02:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, anything AFDd is ineligible for PROD. I'd wait a month or so and try again. Also, MQS suggested that the title may have been incorrectly translated and this may be why no sources are being found. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:49, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Swiss Lips recreated?
Hey, Ron, could you take a look at Swiss Lips to see if it has been recreated in terms of G4? It still looks pretty marginally notable at best. Thanks! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 17:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Due to the lack of participation in the first AFD, I renominated it. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:14, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Robert Bruce Findler for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Robert Bruce Findler is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Robert Bruce Findler until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Since you removed the speedy delete tag, I thought you might be interested. Dtm1234 (talk) 14:44, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

PlantUML
I think this page should be restored or rewritten. I've been using PlantUML for a while, and find it quite useful and interesting. It fills a niche that is not handled by any other open source software that I am aware of. Based on a google search today, it has quite a few users, and various derivative works. On Wikipedia, there are several links to the page already, and there are certainly places were it could be linked from in the future.

I'd be happy to write some prose regarding it's features and how it compares to other UML software.

Thanks!

Shdwjk (talk) 20:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * One major problem was that it was written by somebody with a probable conflict of interest so it would be better if a new article was written by an editor with no association with this software. If you are that editor then you are free to write a new version. Please review your first article and our guidelines on neutral point of view and notability. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:06, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will attempt to write a good article about it. --Shdwjk (talk) 13:59, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

inre Articles for deletion/Courtney L'amour
No problem and no complaints from me.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:13, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note
If you recall my first RFA from some years back, much ado was made over my own AGF in dealing with someone who was later proven to be a sockpuppet. What was gloatingly asserted as obvious "after-the-fact" was not so obvious to myself and others who initially assumed good faith. I was not alone. There are a lot of us glass-half-full types on Wikipedia. In this case, and barring evidence to the contrary, if the statements toward the mixed set of personal disabilities asserted by PPP are true, shouldn't we do what we can as a community to extend the full benefit of the doubt and offer counseling as to how to properly edit? Of course, the obverse side of the coin-flip is that if the person is not who they assert, then any who offer guidence or assistance will be painted as gullible fools by the glass-half-empty types. It would appear that the article in question has addressable issues in its format, content, and sourcing... and could likely be improved to show notability and serve the project... but the AFD has become so filled with animus, I wonder if improving the article is even worth the effort... or if improving it could sway the many nay-sayers. Coming from me... someone who has gone to bat to improve literaly hundreds of articles thought lost at AFD... I ask for advice.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Novan Setyo Sasongko
Please restore this article. Currently he is meet football player notability as he earn first senior international caps. Thanks &#42;Annas* (talk) 07:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Chile–Peru football rivalry
Will you relist the following debate as it was lost & I retrieved it yesterday. Thanks in advance &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Appearance of High-jacked Page
On 23rd June I recovered the Highjacked page of late Abdul Ghafoor Khan Durrani and fixed the citations tag and edited the page by cleaning the article from unnecessary family members, and I also created New page of Mohammad Anwar Khan Durranifor whom this Article was High-jacked, hopefully this may be clean again as I did, Thanks,, --Baloch Warrior 00:03, 28 June 2012 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baloch Baba (talk • contribs)

The deletion of the 'Tricking' page.
I know this is a late addition to this debate, but I only just found out that 'Tricking' has been deleted as a page on Wikipedia. I have had a look around at the process of it's deletion and must say I am disappointed. Not at you by the way! I am sure you are doing what you are doing within the rules and according to your (in this case lacking) criteria, the deletion of this page was probably within the current framework of Wikipedia as set out by those higher up. I really am a huge fan of Wikipedia, but this deletion has somewhat disappointed me. In light of this, I conclude that there must be problems with the system. I am 28 and hold a Social Sciences degree from the University of London (SOAS). I first came into contact with tricking in 2002 though it's evolution began quite a while before that. I'm not going to spam you with huge numbers of arguments why I believe this decision was wrong, but I will pick out a few of the major ones that I feel are pertinent.

Firstly there is the issue of whether Tricking and Parkour/Free-running are separate. While there is undoubtedly some overlap (e.g. a parkourist will include a tricking combo in a sampler of his/hers on Youtube and vice-versa), they are quite distinct. Parkour/Free Running is about getting from A to B, usually in an urban setting overcoming obstacles such as walls, gaps etc. The essence of Tricking is quite different. Trickers will be found in parks/gymnastics gyms (flat surfaces) and will perform a series of kicks, flips and twists in different combinations in a confined area. Kicking is very central to tricking as the sport evolved out of Martial-arts Kata performances/competitions and Parkour/Free-running developed through an entirely seperate story. The kicking element in most of the flips and twists is one of the defining features of tricking in relation to Gymnastics (another is it's non-linearity: Trickers might flip/twist/kick on the spot or move in a circle)

I realize that as someone who does not do Parkour or Tricking you may not get this distinction, so the best thing to do if you care about this issue of accuracy (and I am slightly worried here that you do not from what I have seen!) is to look on Youtube for Anis Cheurfa (Tricker) and Daniel Ilabaca (Parkourist) as one example. Hopefully you will see that the sports at their core are different. I could provide you with another 100+ names of both self-proclaimed trickers and parkourists which you could then take and do research on Youtube. You seem to want to see old-style media evidence of the sports existence. While there is some, it's not particularly fair to base the decision on this. The majority of the massive amounts of evidence for this sport is on Youtube. Both sports in a way are a kind of Youtube phenomenon with Youtube spreading the word and encouraging the development of practitioner's abilities.

As far as I can see there is an identity war going on between Parkour, Tricking, and breakdancing (and probably others) in terms of who has the coolest sport. This leads to claims from different people in different groups such as "your sport is just an offshoot of our cool sport". These sorts of claims are motivated by inferiority complexes rather than a basis in fact.

Looking at the Afd, I see 3/4 editors chose to delete. First of all this is a small number, secondly none of you appear to really understand this topic, thirdly you don't look like you have consulted with anyone who does and finally any research that has been done appears to be cursory or skimpy at best. I appreciate this is because you belong to a group of a relatively small number of editors editing a huge number of articles. So it is understandable in this way that mistakes can get made.

So I implore you! please rethink this issue. It is important to a significant number of people.

Thanks

Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Multilingualtricker (talk • contribs) 17:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

deleted client
You deleted my clients page. I'd like to get the page back asap.

The page is Jasmine Dustin

If you simply google her you can see Jasmine is a well know fashion model being in ads for Perry Ellis, DuWop Cosmetics, FHM covers, etc.

She is staring in her own reality show called "Doheny Models"

She has a new film coming out late 2012 from the DP of the Descendents.

She appeared on the 3rd season of The League on FX

http://www.free-press-release.com/news-actress-jasmine-dustin-to-appear-in-third-season-of-the-league-on-fx-1320270209.html

http://www.google.com/search?q=jasmine+dustin+on+fhm+cover&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=53zzT6OWB4eo2wXF44H1Bg&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1266&bih=595 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Losangelestoppr (talk • contribs) 23:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌ While the AFD in question only had 1 !vote, it was an unsourced biography of a living person. Also, it's clear from your use of the phrase "my client" that you have a serious conflict of interest. If an independent editor takes note of her career and elects to write a sourced article from a neutral point of view then he/she may do so but I will not restore the version of the article that was deleted and neither you nor anybody else associated with Jasmine Dustin should recreate this article. If she truly is notable enough for an article then somebody else will notice her and write one. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

GERRY ONEILL
Hi I see the wiki page for Gerry O'Neill was deleted. I can confirm he was a wreslter in Northern Ireland under the name gary b ware. yes he currently lives in ontario, and yes he did host wrestlenight in flordia, along with Dave Kocotos...you dont have to be there to host a radio show you know. He is co-founder of www.kocosports.com and FYI, the wiki page info on him was all true. How do I know this..he is my husband, so please re add him to the wiki page for famous people from omagh thanks wendy oneill

174.94.65.118 (talk) 12:57, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This is presumably a followup to your closure of Articles for deletion/Gerry O'Neill, a page whose header includes a link about the deletion review process. DMacks (talk) 20:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

NANAE
, I'm dealing with you. Of course I'm not, as people quickly realized, and the edit history of the sockpuppets (such as ) points to. I thought that you might be amused. Or appalled. Uncle G (talk) 09:24, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Cameron Lindsay
Hi. I see that the page I started on Cameron Lindsay was deleted. (Articles for deletion/Cameron Lindsay ) I understand the reasoning. Would you mind placing a copy of the old page in my user space so, if Lindsay's career progresses, I might add the page back if he eventually meets the criteria? Thanks. Yfever (talk) 18:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * See User:Yfever/Cameron Lindsay. Uncle G (talk) 22:41, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

You deleted the the page I created
Why was this page deleted, it was a correct account of a movie that is in production has already shot it's first schedule in Vancouver, Canada. Please check the imdb page for more details on this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2215348/

If you can reinstate this page would be highly appreciated, thanks.

Teamaps (talk) 11:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You know why it was deleted. It's right there in the AFD discussion that you yourself just pointed to (which I've tidied for you).  If even MichaelQSchmidt cannot help you with a cinematic subject, you know that you are on shaky ground indeed.  Find and cite reliable and independent sources other than the IMDB that properly document this purported film in detail.  You should have had such sources to hand before you attempted to create the article in the first place.  Write with sources in hand that you cite in the article, and you won't experience problems with deletion.  Write about things that don't even truly exist yet, that the world hasn't already firmly documented, and you regularly will.  Uncle G (talk) 11:40, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Tyreek Hill, undeletion
Could you please take care of this? Thanks. --bender235 (talk) 15:14, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've independently checked, and the claim that the reasons given for deletion are now invalid seems to be correct. No-one mentioned copyright or libel problems, and there appears at a cursory check to be nothing problematic in that regard (with one incident of BLP vandalism in the history, since reverted).  So the page is restored.  Uncle G (talk) 23:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Going for the hatrick
Articles for deletion/Tryon Coterie (3rd nomination)--GrapedApe (talk) 12:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Toby Turner (Tobuscus)
I have had my Tony Turner (tobuscus) page deleted I believe that he is now notable for his television role on The High Fructose Adventures of Annoying Orange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyppeters (talk • contribs) 17:20, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The Toby Turner, toby turner, Tobuscus, Toby "Tobuscus" Turner, and Toby Turner (Tobuscus) pages have been deleted by a total of 20 different people by my count, and have been the subjects of two independent AFD discussions, Articles for deletion/Toby Turner and Articles for deletion/Tobuscus, where consensus was that this was biography with insufficient reliable independent sourced existing to make it possible to write. Your creation, one of several, was yet another example of this: sourced as it was to a wiki page with no fact checking and unidentifiable authors, YouTube statistics (which you then made an unsupported firsthand analysis of), and a press release. Ron Ritzman almost certainly isn't going to undelete these unilaterally. Your best bet is to find proper biographical sources for supporting an encyclopaedic biography.  They must be independent, in depth, and by identifiable people with good reputations for fact checking and accuracy.  Only then should you write, with those sources in hand and cited in the article.  Don't write bad biographies in Wikipedia.  Indeed, don't write bad unverifiable articles containing original research, in general. Uncle G (talk) 11:38, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Lord Huron
hi i saw you commented on the deleting of the article on this artist. i wrote a comment on the talk page Talk:Lord Huron saying why i think it should exist with some sources. can i make the article?  Happy monsoon  day  16:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No action to take here, M. Ritzman. This person approached several people identically, including User talk:Beeblebrox. Uncle G (talk) 08:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * that is correct im sorry i didnt know who would respond. im going to inform everyone else that it's resolved. i appreciate that mr "G".  Happy monsoon  day  01:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * also mr G i think you mean "simultaneously" not "identically"fyr  Happy monsoon  day  01:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No, and .  &#9786;  Uncle G (talk) 16:16, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Deketing of Hessle Rangers AFC
Hi

I understand that recently Wikipedia has removed the page regarding Hessle Rangers AFC. Although I have read through and do understand some of the key points as to why this decision was made I would like you and the others who decided to authorise the deletion of this to please re consider.

I agree that the articles included on this page does represent a conflict of interest and for this I apologise.

Hessle Rangers are a very well established amatuer football club who operate teams from the age of 5 years old through to mens and women football. Although not a professional or even semi proffessional club the work they do within the community of Hessle and surrounding areas has been recognised, we currently operate 22 teams within the club and affiliated to the FA and also recognised as a Charter Standard Club.

Having our details previously on Wikipedia has allowed the club to gain more support and recognition within the area. As mentioned I understand the reasons why you have deleted this but ask for Hessle Rangers to be reinstated to the website with all non factual comments removed.

Thank you for your time.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by MathewBarker (talk • contribs) 13:52, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's rather the point, though. You provided zero independent sources against which the article could be checked for accuracy.  The readers have no way to know that any of the content is factual at all.  Provide sources and show that this organization has been properly, and independently, documented in depth by the world outwith Wikipedia.  Uncle G (talk) 16:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Before You Exit - Deleted Article
Articles for deletion/Before You Exit — Preceding unsigned comment added by BYEFandom (talk • contribs) 16:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I know I'm new to Wikipedia and I don't know everything about being a successful editor or an administrator. Prior notes about working with Patrick Stump, A Rocket To The Moon and All Time Low didn't seem to be acceptable when brought under review. I found it somewhat difficult to source articles from reputable sources of the music genres and artists that weren't present in the form of YouTube videos. Recently though I did find some helpful articles and one Twitter status update that may be of use. I'm still getting my head around citation formats so bear with me.

To add to the information that may be helpful is their guest appearances in Avery's music video for Love me or Let me Go and Disney Channel's A.N.T. Farm actress Stefanie Scott's Girl I Used To Know. I see how it may be a case of WP:TOOSOON as discussed. The information is out there, just not in the format that can be cited in a well-balanced article.

In a recent update via Facebook the band has also added 14 year old Toby McDonough to their line-up making five members (for future reference). I will keep my eye out for any new information with regards to the band and their notability. As a keen new editor I only ask that if myself or other contributors can find new information about the band that are deemed acceptable that the article could be re-created.

If you want to see any of the new updates or references that I found feel free to ask. Like I said prior I will do my best with the citations if you want to see the new content in a formal format. Messages on my talk page are appreciated and I shall endeavour to respond promptly. Thank you Threeperfectdays (talk) 17:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC).


 * Last revision of Before You Exit article:
 * Is it possible to see a copy of the last revision of the Before You Exit article? I understand that the article was nominated for deletion and resulted in a delete. I just checked the respective articles for deletion page. I don't wan't to request for an undelete. According to the Deletion review page I can request for the second option 2.The article restored to your userspace so you can work on it to attempt to address the problems that led to deletion.

Please, Would you be able to assist in this case? Threeperfectdays (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC).

Removal of Deception Island, Fiction page
The page for the Deception Island novel was removed via AfD. I can provide references for three independent reviews of this book. As the page was previously deleted for lack of reviews/notability I would like to have the page restored so I can add the references (which I believe constitute notability... please correct me if I'm wrong). Thanks. Tombriggs (talk) 01:24, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You're better off writing an article from scratch. The deleted article contains exactly 9 words of content saying where the novel is set and who wrote it.  The rest is catalogue information and a word-for-word copy and paste of the publisher's non-free content advertising blurb for the book.  It could all have been copied right off the book's Amazon page.  I recommend that if you indeed can write a proper neutral and verifiable article, in your own words and with reliable sources to hand, that is not an advertising blurb plus a catalogue entry, you do so from scratch.  The deleted article, which is almost entirely a shopping catalogue entry not an encyclopaedia article, is not really the place to start from.  Uncle G (talk) 23:55, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for restoration of Jorge Casado
Hello. A few months ago you deleted the article of Jorge Casado, as that was the consensus in this conversation. By that time, Real Madrid Castilla was playing in Segunda División B, a non professional league, and he had not played against a rival of significal coverage. Now, that team has been promoted to Segunda División, a fully professional league, and he has played in the first match of the season against Villarreal CF, a well known team. So, I believe the article now passes WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. I was going to create it again, but I don't know if it can be restored. Regards.  –HD   Ask, comment, talk! 22:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Page
My name is Max Lipset. You deleted my bio recently. I am curios why you did so. Also, I would like you to reinstate the bio as it is useful to me professionally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spartanscoach (talk • contribs) 23:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Hello! Just dropping you a line regarding a previous AfD that you closed. Tgeairn (talk) 19:56, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration Request
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Arbitration/Requests and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
 * Arbitration/Requests;
 * Arbitration guide.

Thanks,

New Media 15:05, 29 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by New Media (talk • contribs)

Christian Harrison undeletion
I request that this page be undeleted. It was originally deleted because of lack of notability. Now that Harrison has made the quarterfinals of the US Open in doubles, I think he is notable enough. Ksnow (talk) 16:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)Ksnow

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
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 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:26, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Brian Redban
Brian Redban is a legitimate podcast network owner, and your strange desire to exclude him from Wikipedia is unwarranted. He hosts The Joe Rogan Experience, a consistently top rated and viewed podcast in comedy within the iTunes charts, and has led to the creation of many other top rated podcasts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.19.11 (talk) 14:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Your reasons for deleting the page on Brian Redban are no longer valid as he has since gained notoriety and is mentioned in numerous Wikipedia articles. He is the creator of several podcast shows that have Wikipedia pages themselves and has accomplished numerous other projects. He has a page on IMDb.com and deserves to have a Wikipedia page. If the numerous deletions are due to a personal feelings than you and other mediators are in violation of Wikipedia rules and deserve to be reprimanded. Please correct your currently unfounded page deletions. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.228.24 (talk) 21:01, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Maybe not completely back yet. Just had a little extra time at the right time and decided to see if I still had "game". --Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of family relations in American football for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of family relations in American football is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of family relations in American football (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. --Bejnar (talk) 19:15, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Deaths in ...
Hi Ron, regarding an AFD you closed back in June, could you take a look at Talk:Lists of deaths by year where I have left a comment at the end. Thanks, John Vandenberg (chat) 00:48, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

KERRRZAPPP
I have to ask. What's with WP:KERRRZAPPP? --BDD (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/Military strike. "KERRRZAPPP" is what Uncle G likes to say when he improves an article. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Huh. Sounds much more like WP:TNT to me, but if people are actually using it, that's fine. --BDD (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Lindsey Dryden entry
Hello. I would like to edit an old entry I started but was deleted about the filmaker Lindsey Dryden, whose name came up a lot last year at film festivals like South By South West. Do you advise that I continue? Thanks for your advice.

Applejack88 (talk) 20:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyn Brown (journalist)
Ron, As the editor who closed the AfDs of Lyn Brown (journalist), I was hoping you could move the deleted articles from the archive to my subpage for salvage. In this case, the number of votes were few, the assumptions about Wikipedia policy were flawed, and there were factual errors in the nomination. I have been able to salvage other articles in the process of AfD or in the aftermath, such as in the case of Assaf Abu Rahhal.


 * Articles for deletion/Lyn Brown (journalist)

Old AfD and article history
I was looking over some articles I created a long time ago, and separating out those I'd created by splitting off text from existing articles (acknowledged in the initial edit summary) and checking that the attribution is still intact, and I came across Articles for deletion/2005 Banda Sea earthquake, which you closed back in 2010. From the initial edit summary at 1938 Banda Sea earthquake, it seems I split a very short bit of text out from 2005 Banda Sea earthquake. Technically, the edit history of the now-deleted article is needed to give full attribution to the text that seeded the other article, though for such a short bit of text it may not be worth sorting out. What do you think? Carcharoth (talk) 18:12, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure but I restored the article and redirected it to Banda_Sea just to be on the safe side. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:33, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That seems simplest. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 11:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

OK to resubmit article?
Hi, Ron! A long time ago the article Chocoholism was at AfD; the article was in bad shape and the result was to userfy it to me at my request. The version that was deleted was this:  I finally got around to rewriting it and the rewritten version is here: User:MelanieN/Chocoholism. I think the article is ready to go back into mainspace now but I figured I should check with you, since you were the one who closed the AfD. Is it OK with you if I restore this article? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 02:13, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, never mind; one of your talk page stalkers advised that it would be OK. --MelanieN (talk) 02:56, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Here's a blast from the past...
Hi Ron. A couple of years ago, you deleted the page Limalama after an AFD discussion (Articles for deletion/Limalama). I ran into a request for it at WP:RA and was considering re-creating the page, but I'd like to get your go-ahead first since most of the sources I'm thinking of using would have existed at the time of the AFD, and so presumably would have been available to !voters there. A few examples of the sort of references I was considering:, , ,. Would you be amenable to my recreating this page stright off the bat, or would you prefer me to take it through DRV first? Cheers, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  09:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I'm going to knock up a draft at User:Yunshui/Limalama; if that link's blue by the time you read this, feel free to take a look. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  09:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've restored the article's history behind your draft. Running it up the flagpole at DRV might be a good idea but I wouldn't lose too much sleep if you risked G4 and moved it back to article space. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the histmerge. I'm not a fan of excessive bureauocracy, so I'll slap it stright into article space if such an action isn't going to afflict you with insomnia, hypertension and fits of nervous hysteria. I think it's fair to say that the new version is sufficiently different to its predecessor to escape a G4 deletion, so I reckon it's a low risk strategy. Much obliged, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

What I love about Wiki is the ability of total non-experts to delete the work of total experts with impunity. It allows people with a certain personality type to become extremely puffed up with their own self importance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.190.166.204 (talk) 01:30, 14 May 2013 (UTC)