User talk:RonaldGRoss

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Your userpage
Hello. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages, as you did to your userpage. That content has been deleted. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I encourage you to help build the encyclopedia. Thank you, and happy editing. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Again
I have deleted your user page again. It is intended for basic information about yourself or your Wikimedia-related activities. Although a lot of leeway is allowed in personalizing your user page, it is not a personal website, blog, or social networking medium, nor should it be used to promote yourself, or host a fake article, CV, or lengthy biography.

Are you interesting in helping to build this encyclopedia, or simply to use your userpage as a free webhost for a "profile" about yourself? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:19, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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This is my first attempt to work in the Wikipedia environment. I'm not trying to promote. I was just giving a standard professional bio.

Can you help me by telling me which parts are not acceptable?? My subsequent intent is specifically to add a new piece about the Business Rules Group standards work to Wikipedia (not a commercial group), and participate in editing material associated with its work ... "business rules", "Business Motivation Model", "SBVR", etc. etc. It would seem like professional background would help establish credibility ... but I am definitely not familiar with your mode of operation.

Thx


 * A Wikipedia user page is a place to write something about you as an editor. It is not a page to promote your business endeavours nor yourself. Listing your various trademarks (including ™), for example, or your epithet, serves no purpose but self-promotion. As an aside, credibility isn't established by a fancy user page - on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. Credibility on Wikipedia is established by citing reliable sources that are independent of the subject. As an expert you'll know better where to look for such sources - that is one of the main advantages of expertise on Wikipedia. We do not, however, accept content merely becasue a Wikipedia editor says so, no matter what expertise that editor claims. Huon (talk) 00:12, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

01:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)01:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)01:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)01:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)RonaldGRoss (talk) 01:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

OK, I tried again. I'm sure you'll let me know if I succeeded this time.

Thx

Speedy deletion nomination of Business Rules Group


A tag has been placed on Business Rules Group requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://www.brcommunity.com/b806.php. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Deleted again
This is an encyclopedia. There are two places for content about you at Wikipedia:


 * 1. An article! If you want an article about yourself, you should first read Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and WP:42. Then, find lots and lots of good sources that write about you. Then, please let me help. Paste the links here for me to see. If you are notable, I can help create the article for you.


 * 2. Your userpage. It is not for a lengthy "profile". In fact, Wikipedia is not a free webhosting service for you to host any sort of profile. If you are a constructive editor here who helps build the encyclopedia, then a short bio is accepted. So, if you want your bio at your userpage, sure. But, it can only be a few sentences long.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:58, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

02:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)02:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)02:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)02:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Re 1: Well that's an interesting thought and offer. I'll ponder. (But will I ever be able to find the message again. All very new to me.)

Re 2: OK, I'm getting it ... slowly. I'll try again. Short and sweet.

Thx

July 2015
You have been blocked from editing because your account's edits and/or username indicate that it is being used on behalf of a company, group, website or organization for purposes of promotion and/or publicity. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by copying the text and posting it below this notice (replacing "Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" with the reason), but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:52, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to make others aware of businessrulesgroup.org and the sourcing and external links at Business Motivation Model, and will leave it to them to decide if this is a concern or not. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

03:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)03:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)03:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)03:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)RonaldGRoss (talk) 03:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh my. Got blocked on my very first afternoon of Wikipedia editing. Not a good start. However, I think it would be best to wait to appeal the block. I'd like to get this right.

1. Could you look at my latest profile submission? Did you get it? Short and sweet, more suited to purpose I think(??).

2. Would it help if I put you in touch with some of the other members of the Business Rules Group? It's a completely volunteer, non-profit, non-incorporated group that spent many years pioneering the basic (shared) ideas of the business rules approach. It's a much smaller variant than say OMG, or GUIDE, or IIBA (other non-profits in IT that are documented in Wikipedia articles). I wrote the piece deliberately focused on the collective ideas of the group and how they have evolved. In part I wanted to do that because those ideas are sometimes misunderstood and misapplied. I think if one examines the piece carefully, there is nothing whatsoever of commercial / promotional content. (If inadvertently included I'll gladly excise it.) I actually spent a lot of time carefully documenting and referencing everything.

IAC, please advise on the best course of action.

Thx, Ron

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P.S. I just saw this message: Enough is enough. You've just recreated your userpage with your webiste. I've blocked you indefinitely.

--> Is listing the websites the only problem?? I'll gladly delete them!! I thought I read somewhere that a URL was allowed if not surrounded by any text. (Never find the reference now.) BTW, I looked for samples of appropriate userpage write-ups, but I didn't find any to go by. Did I miss them? (Quite possible.) This is all very ironic since my specialty is rules(!). Oh well.


 * The problem is that everything you have done so far has been to promote yourself and your organization. If you wish to appeal the block, please follow the instructions in the brown box above. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:54, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * See WP:Donating copyrighted materials for information on how to donate text and media, but do be aware that even if you donate text it may still be inappropriate for Wikipedia. Note that Wikipedia itself uses copyleft licenses (CC-By-SA 3.0 Unported and GFDL). — Jeremy  v^_^v  Bori! 22:01, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

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I have just now sent copyright permission for http://www.brcommunity.com/b806.php to  as per the instructions.

The instructions also said to do the following, but I believe I am blocked (so this is just a reminder): "After sending the email, place "OTRS pending" (in double brackets) on the article's talk page."

RonaldGRoss (talk) 22:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)