User talk:Ronhjones/Archive 8

IP block exemption
Hi. I'm hardly an expert on this aspect of the Wiki, but my impression is that Addihockey10's request is the exact circumstance when we do grant IP block exemption: a clearly good user inadvertently caught in the middle of a rangeblock that can't be lifted. (The instruction to e-mail the info address is for would-be new editors who don't have a track record that can be evaluated on-wiki.)

Since this isn't really my area of expertise, I've asked a checkuser (more experienced than I) to take a look and do whatever seems indicated. I hope this is all right. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It not my area either - but it's not just an English Wikipedia block - it's been set up globally for all Wikipedia/Wikimedia - I'm not sure if we can unblock?  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we can unblock for our project only, but I'll defer to someone with more experience looking at this. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:02, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I shall watch for a result.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:03, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Ronhjones - I've taken a look and granted IPBE at least for a temporary period. There aren't a lot of longterm cross-wiki hard rangeblocks, so it's not surprising you haven't run into one before, and I don't want you to think you've done anything wrong. Rangeblocks that were made from a meta account are done by stewards and they can be treated as a checkuserblock; if you are very familiar with the editor, you can probably go straight to IPBE and follow up with a note to the unblock-en-L mailing list to have a checkuser review. Otherwise, it's fine to put the request on hold until a checkuser can review. Best, Risker (talk) 00:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Next time (if I run into it ever again) will be easier.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:09, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: This User
Hi Fellowm Editor. I did not realise that this editor had made other racist comments, not only directed at me but other ethnic groups. Thanks for letting me know. --Sikh- History 09:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

BLP badcatter
Hi there Ronhjones, I noticed this recent block of. It looks like this user has resumed adding his apparently farourite unwarranted category to BLP's again. See today, 5-Nov, 4-Nov etc... Cheers DVdm (talk) 20:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've posted a non template message - it's should be quite clear that more of the same will result in a block. (I'm away business for 3 days), so if he does it again before Thurs eve - go to WP:AIV
 * Ok, thanks. Enjoy the business, and don't forget to relax a bit as well! - DVdm (talk) 20:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, I went to AIV. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 09:13, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Very good, I can see he is now blocked. Business OK, meeting up old friends, on night before in hotel much more pleasant... :-)  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. You might want to keep an eye out when his block expires. I hope (s)he has learned that their editing is not acceptable, but seeing how all the other warnings were ignored, they might come back for a repeat.  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do. In some cases it would be handy to have a watchlist for users/IPaddress, just like we have one for articles/talkpages. DVdm (talk) 19:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Block expired and at it again. Sigh. DVdm (talk) 09:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I see User:Favonian has bumped the block up to 1 month. Make a note to watch what happens then. If he does it again, I would have no hesitation for 3 months next time.  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:35, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

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FYI, I re-created minimum tillage
Hi Ron, First of all, this photo of you with your dog is a lovely touch. I feel like I'm actually talking to you as I'm typing on your talk page. I imagine it cuts down on vandals and trolls.

Anyhow, this is just an FYI that we had an edit conflict at minimum tillage: a few seconds after you deleted it, I modified the text, which had the effect of re-creating the article.

As the article's creator, I was very shame-faced to see that I engaged in such a blatant copyvio. On the talk page, I explain that I was relatively new to Wikipedia at the time. Apparently, I did not realize (back then) that close paraphrases were were copyvios.

I've decided to restore the article as a stub. I am hoping you agree that, as a copyvio remedy, my solution is comparable yours.

That's all. Ok, I'm going to get a dog for my talk page photo now! :)

AGradman / how the subject page at 21:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, sadly Britannica does not let us use their data here - I'll wager they will use ours.  Ron h jones (Talk) 21:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

DBoffey and his bothies articles
Hey, I saw you userfied White Laggan Bothy. Mind doing the same for the other five bothy articles created by the user?

Thanks Yoenit (talk) 22:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Beehive Bothy
 * Polskeoch Bothy
 * Brattleburn Bothy
 * Over Phawhope Bothy
 * Minch Moor Bothy

Category:Hull and Hornsea Railway
You may not have been aware, but there has been a discussion here regarding the category which you have reinserted back into the station articles. The consensus reached was that individual categories for branch lines is WP:Overcategorisation. I have therefore reverted your edits. If you have any comments on this, it would be useful if you could direct them to the project page where they will reach a wider audience. Lamberhurst (talk) 08:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not fair to claim an empty category when there are 11 correct entries, by clearing them out - almost leading to WP:POINT. User:Nyttend and myself have put them back.  Let's see how the CfD goes. It looks like it might bomb.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Minor request
For historical interest could you undelete User:Uga Man/presidential campaign, 2008 and the accompanying image? I'm very interested to see how it looks.--Uga Man ☎ 04:28, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Have done so. I suspect that not all editors might approve of such pages, at least they are not in article space - you can decide what you want to do. Once you've seen them and maybe printed, then to get rid off them put db-author on each page.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:19, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Would it be okay if I redirected the page to my userpage?--Uga Man ☎ 23:43, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * They are in your user space now. Leave them where they are if you wish. But I would expect that someone will eventually come along and tag for deletion on something along the lines of WP:NOTWEBHOST. The more that you show them, then that will attract comments. It's not an article so I take a little more relaxed rule, but I cannot speak for others.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:57, 26 November 2010 (UTC).

Adminship anniversary
'''Wishing User: a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Birthday Committee! &oelig; &trade; 05:43, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you - I'd forgotten it was a year ago - seems like several ;-)  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Noticed it was your adminship anniversary - Happy Adminship Anniversary! :) -- Addi hockey  10 e-mail 19:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Italics Usage
Hi Ron, I have a problem with the epitaph of Sir Thomas Cusack (see Cusack) where I have put it in 'italics' however to get it to appear in line after line I have had to do the '' at the beginning and end of each line and then skip a line then do it all again for the next line. It would be neater if I could reduce the space taken up in each verse by getting rid of the space lines between the written lines. Do you know of a solution? Congrats on your Admin Award. Thanks for your cropping advice, it worked. Best Regards C.Cleeve (talk) 13:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a couple of issues you have encountered.
 * All browsers ignore "whitespace", so a new line is ignored - hence you have to go for double line spacing - use  at the end of the line instead.
 * It seems that the new line (or  tag) cancels the italic - this must be a Wikipedia bug. - I see one can then get away with just '' at the start opf the line.
 * I had a look at WP:QUOTE - that says "Do not put quotations in italics unless the material would otherwise call for italics, such as for emphasis and the use of non-English words" - so maybe italics is not the thing to use?
 * I then tried putting the text in a Quotation template - that's where it is now - if you don't like it change it back.  Ron h jones (Talk) 16:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Ron, Thanks, you are brilliant. What you have succeeded in producing is more than I could have thought possible. I will use this when I get around to 'doing' Adam de Feypo where I plan to include part of 'The Song of King Dermot and the Earl' - a medival poem. I am reluctant to ask but at the start of the 'cusack' piece it originally suggested that it needed a 'clean up', any ideas what might be required or has the merger of 'de Cusack' and subsequent additions make a difference to change that comment? Best Regards C.Cleeve (talk) 12:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it. As for clean up - it's not really my field, but that notice is a bit old, and quite a bit has been done. That list of notables is (I think) in the wrong place - typically such lists are near the end. I've moved it there - I think it look beter, then you get all the prose near the top of the article (and I took out the tag).  Ron h jones (Talk) 15:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. The format for the quoted material template is - if you have a source for the text, you can add the extra fields - it then displays that data in the bottom right of the quotation box.

Ron, Thanks yet again, I agree that the 'Comment' was a bit old and and am pleased to see it removed also I agree with the 'Notables' being moved (had'nt thought of that but would'nt have known how to do it!). Best Regards C.Cleeve (talk) 16:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

user:Toomanywordstoolittletime
Leaving a courtesy FYI that I unblocked, as I believe they are a new user attempting to work in good faith - although they need some guidance. Granted, I admit I may be mistaken; but they could easily be re-blocked if the external link addition resumes. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:57, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, no problem. I never mind if others unblock.  Ron h jones (Talk) 18:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your warm welcome and warm warnings. With admins like you, Wikipedia has nothing to fear.

Good luck on your next endeavors. In Christ, --Prust (talk) 17:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just trying to stop you getting blocked, the choice is inevitably yours...  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Is that a veiled threat? As an administrator, you should abide by Wikipedia principles of good faith and civility. You should set the example. I made a mistake. Just that. In Christ, --Prust (talk) 19:03, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No. I trying to help you understand the policies. We all have a choice to follow the policies or not - that's our choice, some people do and some do not. I was explaining that multiple reverts will cause other editors to flag up a WP:3RR violation (they don't have to be admins to flag it up), and the norm for that is a 24 hours block. I explained to you which page had the details to avoid your children from seeing the images displayed on your PC, as this was obviously a cause for concern for you.  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:03, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you!
Thank you for your support at my RfA last week. I'll do everything I can to live up to your expectations and trust. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 22:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the mop :-)  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:31, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Where they edit-warring, or is it something else...?
Hi Ronhjones - I'm the one that filed a vandalism complaint against 124.179.251.155. I'm faced with something that I've never seen before. I thought I saw an edit war and stalking going on between MFIreland and 124.179.251.155, as shown here, here, and here. 'Both' in turn responded back stating that they have no idea what I'm talking about and described that here. MFIreland has seen fit to leave message with me, rather than with 124.179.251.155.

Are they/were they slaking/edit warring, sock-puppetry each other, something else - or am I having a 60's flash back? :) Take care...  Dinky town   talk  00:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's almost a war. The IP was so close to 3RR, that I blocked then for 48h. I've left a message for MFIreland to ask him/her to mark such edits as vandalism next time or report them to AIV. (and now it's 2am, and I'm out of here...) Ron h jones (Talk) 02:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Ronhjones for your thoughtful response on MFIreland talk page. It was difficult to decipher what was what, and I was very confused.  I'm leaving a friendly response on his page - Take care. Dinky town   talk  02:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The problem is a little bit larger...
You declined my request for speedy deletion on University of Windsor Faculty of Human Kinetics. I think this was hasty as the article also had copyright content from at least one other source (see revision history). Furthermore, has clearly used copyrighted content on other created and edited articles. If you look at the content (mostly advertising bloat), it's seems likely that Timothygetsschooled is promoting the university is a manner that doesn't jive with WP:COPYVIO, WP:COI or WP:SPAM. I'm an occasional editor who is about to log off, so I can't clean up after this person. Would you please follow up? Also, please consider whether the use of multiple copyright violations on the same new article is substantial enough to justify deletion. Thanks. TabASlotB (talk) 15:19, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I can only view the data presented to me. As far as I knew I removed all the copyvio that related to the given URL. There was still some article left, so as G12 says Only if the history is unsalvageably corrupted should it be deleted in its entirety, therefore I just removed the copyvio, and the tag. I agree, it's looking a bit SPAM like now, I think I will tag it with that.  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

RON, Warning!- Blocked user (Thmc1) may be trying to abuse WP once again. PLEASe READ!
I want to report that someone I suspect to be blocked user Thmc1 (logged on as IP Address 96.242.217.91 and sometimes 151.198.55.159) may be trying to continue his/her use of Wikipaedia as a propaganda tool. This person, whicn I have reason to believe is Thmc1, is attempting to pawn his revisionist pro-NY views, citing un-reliable business/travel sites as his source. When others undo his edits for this very fact, what does he do? He comes back with a similar business/travel site and says "Here's your proof!". If you examine the logs carefully, you will notice that activity from IPs 96.242.217.91 and 151.198.55.159 were virtually non-existent prior to Thmc1 being banned in June 2010. Since then, both IPs have come alive with activity displaying behavior identical to Thmc1's- using business/travel sites as souces over & over again and making edits to the very same pages! In his quest to seek re-instatement, Thmc1 claimed that he had learned his lesson and would never abuse Wikipedia again. Apparently, he has not learned that lesson. You were right in refusing his requests, and I hope that this will carry over to what is happening now. I STRONGLY urge that you initiate an investigation, which will hopefully lead to blocking him out again.MBaxter1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:46, 1 December 2010 (UTC).
 * Both IPs are from the same area (one is a library), so there is a strong possibility you are correct - I've started an investigation for you at Sockpuppet investigations/Thmc1  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

BigMattyO unblock request
I think BigMattyO has earned an unblock. What do you say? User_talk:BigMattyO.--Chaser (talk) 02:39, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Be my guest. I never mind anyone unblocking someone, I've blocked. If you think that he will be a useful contributor, then that's fine with me.  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Chaser (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI: User_talk:Chaser. I have no strong opinion about reblocking, although I wish I'd seen it beforehand.--Chaser (talk) 20:03, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There was nothing on his talk page - I blocked him for vandalism (changing Northern Irish to Irish), not for socking  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

User:Ozog chris
What, if anything, should be done about this guy? He's essentially using us as some sort of Facebook variant. Half Shadow  22:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Bit of an odd editor, I agree. I've placed another warning - maybe he'll calm down - and it puts his page on my watch list! One to watch for a while.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

User:Iaaasi
Hi there I was on a bit of a wikibreak so Im kindof unaware of recent events. I need some information about the various discussions that took place before the unblock of Iaaasi. The last discussion I was aware is this where various arguments such as racism  mass sockpuppetery etc etc were brought up against unblock and long discussion took place with various proposals such as unblock pending permanent topic ban and of course supporters also mentioning their off wiki communication with Iaaasi but the whole community discussion ended against unblock. Anyway long story short Im just asking where did the community discussion took place this time, or did off-wiki communication precede the unblock? Did Iaaasi provide a list of previously used sockpuppets as per CheckUser Jpgordon's suggestion in that discussion ( Oh, it's not even an apology -- it's an expression of "regret". And of course you'd be under strict observation if unblocked; we do that routinely to serial sockpuppeteers. Just how many accounts have you created? Please provide us a list, including those that we have not yet blocked. --jpgordon::==( o ) 18:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)). If so is the list available somewhere if not what happened to those sockpuppets are they blocked now? Of course some of this might seem bit uninformed I'll try to catch up with various things with what's going on. My more important question is asking for a link to the preceding discussion I did a quick search but couldn't find it so far. Your help would be much appreciated. Hobartimus (talk) 12:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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sorry about that Menzel (crater) change it was a joke to my mate, i knew it'd get changed back, sorry :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.87.144 (talk) 23:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

You unblocked User:AtlanticDeep
Wikipedia:Whacking with a Wet Trout

This user is banned. Why would you unblock them for the claim "I thought I was editing the sandbox"? Hers fold  (t/a/c) 01:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Easy, because they had made one minor vandal edit and had then been blocked as "(Vandalism-only account)". Nowhere on the talk or user page had any suggestion of socking. What about WP:AGF?  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Granted, but you didn't even discuss it with Nakon that I can see. They may have recognized the account as AtlanticDeep, which wouldn't be surprising given there were about a dozen other accounts operating at the same time. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 01:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I struggle to see how anyone could recognise anything from one single isolated edit. C'ést la vie.  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

User :Iaaasi
On 27 November 2010 you made an unblock offer at User talk:Iaaasi. The editor has now made another unblock request. Since you made the offer, perhaps you would like to assess it. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:34, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much (Iaaasi (talk) 20:40, 8 December 2010 (UTC))

Jeremy's RfA
Hi Ron. Does that mean then that if I use Mac, don't use Igloo (which is all but useless anyway for what I do), and don't want to spend 90% of my time fighting vandals, I would not be trusted with the rest of the sysop tools, and there would be no point in me running for adminship?;) Kudpung (talk) 06:55, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * My main oppose was Q5 and Q6 - the lack of vandal fighting was a third and minor point. I'm sure trust of obtaining the sysop's tools can be gained in many ways. But don't forget a reasonable proportion of admin's work is related to sorting out the results of vandalism, and it does help to know what devious methods they can get up to.  Ron h jones (Talk) 13:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Copyring permissions
Dear John,

I am preparing a textbox titled Soil Ecology in Northern Forests and would like ask permission to use your drawing (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Humic_acid.gif) an an illustration of humic acid molecular structure. My email is m.lukac@imperial.ac.uk.

Thank you in advance, Martin Lukac —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.93.29 (talk) 12:59, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * All material on Commons is available for use anywhere under the terms of the GFDL. If you look at the main page commons:File:Humic_acid.svg - the "Licensing" section shows what you can do with it - like most Wikipedia/Wikimedia data, it's free for re-use, so long as you just have a small note to say it was obtained at Wikimedia. You might wish to note that there is another drawing of a different Humic acid at commons:File:Humic_acid.svg  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thank you and thank you for suggesting a different humic acid drawing. All material will be properly referenced.

Martin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.93.29 (talk) 09:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Pudendal nerve entrapment
Hi, new user is gaily continuing on, breaking 3RR, removing cited data and inserting OR and uncited material. Block please? RxWatch (talk) 00:24, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * He needs warning first - done.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

This is my first use of wikipedia. I have merely included the centers which perform PNE to help patients. All the places I have mentioned perform surgery. I also included the success rate of a surgeon performing the procedure. I hope this is okay. I do not mean to offend. If you could direct me to a page explaining how to include sources I would be very grateful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahbingham56 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The link is now on your talk page - Under Policies and Guidelines - "Citing Sources"  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Pronghorn (band)


The article Pronghorn (band) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * I think that the given references show that this is a small local band that sells its music through its own Myspace page. I can find no independent sources that show this band has ever charted or gained any kind of notability outside of its own home geographical location.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Berone (talk) 20:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your email note to me about my name change. I did not realize I had not responded appropriately. I think I have addressed the issues on the name change page to which I was directed. I am leaving this message for you because I am not sure I have yet figured out how to respond correctly. You have been very kind in helping me and I do hope that I have completed the request correctly.ProQOL (talk) 06:53, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject United States
Hi- good idea, the WPUSA template should be semi-protected, then registered editors can work on adding the sub-projects to the template, as we go along. Full protection is too much of a pain. :) Thanks! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do semi. Full is a pain - sadly sometimes necessary.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thx! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:57, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:WikiProject DC#Please redirect template to main project template
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IP talk page deletions
A few days ago I planted Delete tags on five of my old, no-longer-used IP talk pages. You declined three of them, 1, 2 and 3, citing that talk pages are not to be deleted. A bot took care of this one and this one. So I wonder why there would be a bot to sneak in before you and delete those two talk pages? I mean, if they're not supposed to be deleted, and all? Just curious. Happiest of Holidays to You and Yours! &mdash;  Paine Ellsworth  (  CLIMAX  )  13:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The policy is clear at WP:CSD on section "U1". I don't know what the bot was up to - no good it seems.  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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User:Iaaasi
Hi there I was on a bit of a wikibreak so Im kindof unaware of recent events. I need some information about the various discussions that took place before the unblock of Iaaasi. The last discussion I was aware is this where various arguments such as racism mass sockpuppetery etc etc were brought up against unblock and long discussion took place with various proposals such as unblock pending permanent topic ban and of course supporters also mentioning their off wiki communication with Iaaasi but the whole community discussion ended against unblock. Anyway long story short Im just asking where did the community discussion took place this time, or did off-wiki communication precede the unblock? Did Iaaasi provide a list of previously used sockpuppets as per CheckUser Jpgordon's suggestion in that discussion ( Oh, it's not even an apology -- it's an expression of "regret". And of course you'd be under strict observation if unblocked; we do that routinely to serial sockpuppeteers. Just how many accounts have you created? Please provide us a list, including those that we have not yet blocked. --jpgordon::==( o ) 18:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)). If so is the list available somewhere if not what happened to those sockpuppets are they blocked now? Of course some of this might seem bit uninformed I'll try to catch up with various things with what's going on. My more important question is asking for a link to the preceding discussion I did a quick search but couldn't find it so far. Your help would be much appreciated. Hobartimus (talk) 12:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Ronhjones, I am also curious about your answer, and because it seems to me that it was a flaw of MiszaBot III that the inquire of user:Hobartimus had archived ->, I reverted it back to your talk page. Regards--Nmate (talk) 19:59, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know whya MiszaBot III did that, I've never seen that in the past. I may bring that up with the owner as it's set to be 14days old.
 * What a complex story. Starts with User:Slakr re-enabling his talk page access on 07:18 26th Nov with a note on the page to state that all the old unblock requests unblock requests are over 6 months old. User:Iaaasi then posted an new unblock request asking for a second chance. I noted there was a link on his user page to Sockpuppet investigations/Bonaparte, but at then end of that page (Report date May 8 2010, 18:41 (UTC)) it states "I don't think the behavioural evidence here is strong enough for me to comfortably block. No action taken at this time", so does not seem to be a sock of Bonaparte. His unblock was declined by me with a second chance offer on 23:48 27th Nov. He worked on that offer until 8th Dec, where he asked for unblock, and I was then asked by User:JamesBWatson to review the unblock, which I did so - during that time someone pointed out the page Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive217, which sadly a link was not displayed on his user page. Indefinite blocks are not forever - that is not the reason behind the name - they are blocks to protect Wikipedia until the user promises and is seen to follow the policies as do the (most) other editors, if we made the blocks really forever then that would just encourage further socking. I noted there was a mild support for unblock, but also definite desire for a few more months of block. So it appeared that the user has then waited for some time before re-applying, he had then accepted the second chance offer and was asking for an unblock, knowing full well that a considerable proportion of the community would be checking his every move. So he was unblocked here and reminded that all his actions were going to be reviewed by many editors in future. Since that time, I have checked one or two edits each day to satisfy myself that he is not being disruptive again.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello Rohnjones, I am curios also about some behavior I can see here. First to analyze User:Nmate, in the last three months almost ALL of his "contributions" are limited to reporting various users (miraculously all of them either of Slovak/Czech,Romanian nationalities) and engaging in his old edit wars sometimes. He is acting as some kind of an "administrator" only with a clear agenda - as I can conclude, and now, again miraculously, he did`t came to the Wikipedia to make contributions but (again) to "report" something, in this case, his old "friend" Iaaasi. I think here is enough proof for this user that is being more disruptive than constructive and shows clear signs of battleground mentality and  single-purpose account. And to all this, User:Hobartimus although he is a constructive user, he keeps "close tabs" when there is talk about User:Iaaasi and now, he is clearly surprised that this user is unblocked and "has to do anything in his power" to rectify this. - Call me paranoid :-), but this is more than a coincidence since this "practice" has some kind of a tradition. I am interested if this kind of behavior(in this case harassment of User:Iaaasi) can be stopped and where should I address them? More precisely, the behavior of User:Nmate. Thank you. Adrian (talk) 07:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There will always be editors who are passionate about a particular subject, their knowledge can assist in quickly identifying any vandalism in that area. I find that in particular Religion and Nationality tend to evoke very strong passions. The question is when does that passion become excessive and disruptive. Often difficult to judge, especially when that subject is unknown to one. Anyway, to answer your question, you will find at the top of every admin noticeboard (e.g. WP:AN - and that page has even more information), a template of all the noticeboards, to assist editors in choosing which noticeboard to use. Posting a message at the correct one will get a response from someone who patrols that board, and will often have a good insight into what is good for the project and what is not.  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:15, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also if there is an active Wikiproject (WikiProject Eastern Europe?) then you can often gain the attention of editors with useful knowledge by posting on the project talk page.  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will consider making a report in an appropriate place, there is no rush. Happy Holidays ! Adrian (talk) 18:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!


PLEASE HELP ME!
Cheong Kwon, who initiated the article on the contemporary art doll MDVANII and I have been working on the article together. She is in New York and I am in Switzerland.

The person who has vandalized the article is a person whom the creator of the work of art has been stalking for many years and he has tried even to mould and copy the work for which he has been stopped by lawyers. Since then he does just about everything to slander the creator.

He has vandalized the article, adding the name of a cheap toy doll inplace of the artwork and altered sentences to include insults and slurs.

We need to protect the article and have it officially protected by the administrator Cheong Kwon ...I just spoke to her ont he phone and she said she'd make me an administrator also ...

Can you help me please, I am new to Wikipedia and want to work on this article and hopefully others inthe future but this one is very important to do really well.

Kind regards

Alec Jiri Alec jiri (talk) 00:24, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * If it was protected, then you could not work on it. If someone vandalises a page, then just view the page history and click "undo" on the bad edit to revert the page to the previous version. Pages are not protected unless there is persistent vandalism.  Ron h jones [[User talk:Ronhjones| (Talk)]|undefined 00:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I really appreciate your help and advice.

The person vandalizing the page will obsessive try to sabotage the page. If the administrator protects it, can she edit it after protection? She intends to add more citations mostly and a photo. I am afraid we'll be in a weird war of vandalizism and then "undo" on a daily basis...the guy is ruthless.I'd really like to do whatever is the most pragmatic and intelligent. I really would appreciate your help...can you watch out with me? or adopt me or something,...I don't even know if that is the right term. Alec JiriAlec jiri (talk) 00:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * If you see much vandalism then you can report to WP:AIV. Many pages get vandalised - that's a problem, we don't normally protect until it gets to several a day. Editors are encouraged to revert the vandalism themselves first - see WP:VANDAL for more details on reverting and warning. I've added the page to my watch list, so I'll see what goes on most nights (UK time)  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:42, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I really appreciate your help and advice. This character has been doing these kind of things to the authours of Mdvanii since 23 years, he was restrianed by law many times for other things (like ebay, etsy, google, yahoo, flickr, blogger etc etc) but we did not think he'd go so far as to sabotage such a thing as wikipedia! If you see any way we can improve the article in any way, any help would be welcomed.We wish to make this article as perfect as possible. It has taken me a long time this evening (its late here) to get the article back to normal.,...since he did edits in many times.,....and I did not know ho wto UNDO as you said and I did not want make further errors. We are trying to add more citations as there are many to add still and a photo...it is especially hard for me as english language is my second language and though i think i know it well,...I have to re-read very carefully, especially since the vandalism has been so vicious and so many areas of the article...any help would be sincerely appreciated. Kind regards,Alec JiriAlec jiri (talk) 00:58, 23 December 2010 (UTC) PS: Can you please advise me how to make the article less "Peacock" or can you consider helping me edit? We have all the citations, many,many articles, tv appearances, videos, museum references and acquisition forms, but really have trouble understanding adding them officially to the article. Also, all the basic facts are correct, but would it be possible to edit or tell me how to avoid PEACOCK terms? The creator or Mdvanii has done quite alot of work and has had a huge amount of popular and specific art and fashion press, we can reference it but just don't know how to. How do we quote an article which is old and not on the internet and add it to REFERENCES? How does one add info about museum acquisitions? I really need help...someone named ACTIVE BANANAS has said it is an advertisment, and it is not,...all the info is true and correct but maybe there are woirds which make it appear PEACOCK. I really would appreciate help and advice. Thank you in advance, Alec JiriAlec jiri (talk) 01:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Try this setting... Go to "My Preferences" at the top, Select the "Gadgets" tab, and under "Editing Gadgets" click the "refTools" item, and then Click "Save" at the bottom of the page. You now have an extra button on your editing toolbar - see WP:REFTOOLS, that allows you to correctly compose references for Journals, Books, etc.  Ron h jones (Talk) 02:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As for good writing prose, that is not my strong point. Try discussing with Active Banannas - I'm sure he will advise if asked.  Ron h jones (Talk) 02:24, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Waterway Icons naming convention
Hi Ron, I am just trying to sort out a couple of naming issues. The UK waterway project seems to have got the green tunnel prefixes the wrong way round. They should be gt, rather than tg. I have created new icons, replaced all occurrences in templates on English wikipedia, fixed the legend on Welsh wikipedia and Japanese wikipedia (scary), and have just got to fix the Russian one, but somehow they are using templates from one of my user pages, so that is a bit more tricky. However, you have copies of utgAKRZu2, utgAROADu and utgKRZuy on your gallery page. Would you mind changing them to ugtAKRZu2, ugtAROADu and ugtKRZuy, so that I can tidy up Commons, please? Bob1960evens (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:00, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Villa Jidiot?
Is it really that bad a username? I don't see any evidence he was connected to any of these, and I'm not aware of "idiot" being against the rules in usernames if the username is self-referential. If it is there's at least a few others that are in violation of it.  — Soap  —  23:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Say it quickly and it becomes "Village Idiot".  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:51, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Christmas Card


Merry Christmas At this festive time, I would like to say a very special thank you to my fellow editors, and take the time to wish you and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year. And, in case you can't wait until the big day, I've left you each three special presents, click to unwrap :) Acather96 (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)





Barnstar

 * Your're welcome, hope you find which bit of code is causing the problem.

Criminal Minds Suspect Behavior episodes
Hi Ronhjones

I am writing in to let you know that this user: Serienfan2010 has been engaged in an edit war against me, i have contributed in making this page List_of_Criminal_Minds:_Suspect_Behavior_episodes, however he/she keeps on editing it and has reported me for vandalism act, while all the episodes sources has been put in the External Links. Please do something to this user, Thanks.

Evan Weinstein | Talk 03:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * He does have a point - it is very difficult to add data that has not happened. Wikipedia is not WP:CRYSTAL, when it's future data then each item of data needs its own good reference to be able to stay. Thus episode names are often likely to change from the original draft before transmission. As an analogy look at 2011 Grand Prix motorcycle racing season where we have had to semi protect the article due to endless unreferenced data being added - and now every rider shown has a good reference to verify that his is in fact in that team. Some of your references are rather weak - they refer to an alleged "press release" - but there is no link to an actual release - why didn't they? - maybe their story is a more unofficial rumour than fact. Also IMDB and Tv.com are as much use as a chocolate teapot - too much stuff added be people who don't know. I would suggest discuss on the talk page (that's what they are there for) to decide what would be enough for the data to stay - I would say a link to a formal press release on the CBS site.  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:27, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Two questions, So is he going to walk free just like that and is it ok by putting Citation Needed for the page. Evan Weinstein | Talk 21:05, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * He has only removed data that does not have a reliable source. That's a fairly standard action that's often done. The cn template might help, but there is still no good reference, some editors will leave a cn template for a while then delete if not added.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to follow you on Twitter as I see we have a lot of the same interests. Shanadonohue (talk) 04:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)Shana Donohue

Thanks Ronhjones, your response and help is greatly appreciated. I think i will stick with the cn template.Evan Weinstein | Talk 14:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, Serienfan2010 has again revert my addition to List_of_Criminal_Minds:_Suspect_Behavior_episodes, after adding the cn template. Please advice. Thanks. Evan Weinstein | Talk 14:01, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The IMDb is a unreailble source for episodes. Wait until realible source, e.g. MSN TV or The Futon Critic have report these episodes. -- Serienfan2010 (talk) 14:22, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * As I said above "Also IMDB and Tv.com are as much use as a chocolate teapot" - there so many mistakes there, they are useful as a guide, but never reliable.  Ron h jones (Talk) 15:20, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

So my question is, can the cn template be used in this case. Thanks. Evan Weinstein | Talk 09:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * On some pages yes and on some no. Such minute detail can be safely left for editors to decide by consensus on the talk page. The ideal is to have all data verifiable and supported by reliable sources - for WP:BLP articles it is very important, for non BLP articles (like this one) there is not the same degree of need. Having said that, there are plenty of non BLP pages where the regular editors want to strictly to the policies and they will revert all non reliable data all the time. All I can suggest is that you place your data on the talk page, and ask other editors if the inclusion will be acceptable to them - this can then prevent the one vs. one warring, which gets nowhere.  Ron h jones (Talk) 17:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

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I wanted to thank you very much for your help. also if its not to much trouble can you explain how to do it also. TucsonDavid GOD BLESS THE  U . S .<font color="Blue">A . 22:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

File:Painting of Mongol mounted archers.PNG
I hope this is the last time i have to adress this obvious copyright infringement, the picture so poorly camoufladged as a ancient painting is from this book (original edition ), by author Angus McBride who has 3 years dead not 100, the link that i provided whas to the book from where the last version of the image was taken and it was also copyrighted, so please delete the image at once.--Andres rojas22 (talk) 01:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I still do not see a picture of the size pictured in Wikipedia. As this is effectively a disputed delete, I've started a PUF at Possibly_unfree_files/2010_December_30.  Ron h jones (Talk) 02:29, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

· → • ?
What is the rationale for the " · → •" change? I thought the former was recommended. Boghog (talk) 22:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It's nice but it's overloading pages - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemistry - many Chemistry articles are now starting to fail to render completely, the excessive number of templates is causing the wiki software to give up rendering before the page is finished. As most of the complex templates in the infobox are desired, the only way to lighten the load is to subst templates that are not important. Only about 40% of the Category:Drug templates use that template anyway.  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:56, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * This ultimately may be a good idea, but before changing a lot of templates, I think it would be appropriate to ask for community consensus. Not sure where though. Boghog (talk) 23:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Well it's fixed the problem for now

1873108 is not that far from the limit 2048000 - if we make the Chembox any more complex, then it might start failing again. As I said only about 40% of all the templates used the unsubtituted template anyway (I was pressing skip more than save in AWB)- it was just Murphy's Law that the pages that overloaded used those ones!  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:07, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, great. I am glad that this at least temporarily fixed the problem.  This technical issue is over my head and I am not sure that I would know how to formulate a question.  Perhaps WP:VPT would be a good place to bring up this issue?  Boghog (talk) 23:19, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but it's a known limitation with the wiki page rendering system, ideally one would like them to raise the limits (very easy answer for us!) - but the limit is set to stop excessive page load times and also to prevent any template heavy page being used in a DoS attack, so I'm assuming that idea would not be well received. One of those templates had over 700 bullets, and one article had 6 big templates at at the bottom - therefore well in excess of 1 thousand bullet templates to render, and the page load time was bad!  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:27, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Takemitsu
I don't suppose you could explain your reasoning behind ? He published literary articles under his own name with the macron (at least most that I recall). Taking just as votes, it was an even split. Gimmetoo (talk) 03:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not a vote. If you want to do that then it's 6 to 4, not even (even drifting to 7 to 4 if one adds User:Phoenix7777 comment which are more pro than against - though he does not actually declare for or against). Votes is just the first parameter, then one has to read all the arguments and decide if one set of arguments is better than the other to swing the initial view. Also in my opinion the last oppose was very weak "The current form is perfectly recognisable" - a bit of a WP:AADD response, the new name I would also say is "perfectly recognisable". Hence I believe there was enough to move the page.  Ron h jones (Talk) 15:35, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Articles which the subject authored use the macron. That seems like a strong argument, no? Gimmetoo (talk) 15:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Template:DrugTemplateNotice
Hi! Regarding DrugTemplateNotice and your changes to drug templates: Is there a reason for using "&amp;#160;&amp;#8226; " instead of "&amp;nbsp;• "? Those numbers and special characters look rather irritating in my opinion. Thanks, ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 11:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Or simply " • "? The justification given here was that "the use of a bullet can be a pain for users to find and copy". However I think the use of "&amp;#160;&amp;#8226; " is in some ways worse than problem that it is try solve.  In a large navigation template with many items separated by long strings of special characters, the wiki text in the template become very difficult to read. I have no objection to this change being made to a limit number of templates to overcome a technical limitation.  However I am worried that this change might be implemented in a larger number of templates and this in my opinion would result in a significant degradation in the readability of the raw wiki text in these templates.  Boghog (talk) 12:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem with " • " - it that the first space should be ideally a non-breaking one, so that we don't get a bullet at the start of a line - i.e. the line always breaks after the bullet. I don't plan to do thousands of navboxes. Just the Category:Drug templates - I think I've done around 80 (the rest did not use the template, anyway), one can susbt the original template, and gain the non breaking space, but it very likely to get slowly lost with later edits. As far as I can see there are no more navboxes we need to fix. I think the major problem is with the Chembox/Drugbox templates which are very template heavy (many levels of templates within templates) - see my note at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pharmacology, the probem is fixed (for now) but some pages are still near the limit.  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Any objections if I switch to "&amp;nbsp;• "? I really would make the edit window less crowded. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 16:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

request advice
User Muotinukke is undoing prior edits of mine, yet when I revert them to the way they were, Muotinukke sends warning citations to my User Talk, and then changes my edits yet again, yet claims I'm the one who's (according to them) commiting vandalism. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia. Is this a form of harrassment? Please give advice if you can. The edits in question are found on the Mel Odom (artist) page, and I've addressed the situation on that page's Discussion page as well. The harrassment if that's what it is occurs on my User Talk Page. Thank you. Mary Cross (talk) 14:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I see you have gone for a Third Opinion. Hope that will be useful.  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:26, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Howes (actor)
Dear Ronhjones, can I recreate a page for Thomas Howes (which you and others have deleted) - I am just watching Downton Abbey again - a major (judged by viewing figures and comments) UK TV series, and Howes has what seems to me a sufficiently prominent role to warrant a page. I have added further refs. to his stage and radio career also, which helps I think. I have a draft here: User:Msrasnw/Thomas Howes (actor). What do you think? The Downton Abbey page's redlink on Howes looks anachronistic. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)) PS - I have also asked User:Uncle G
 * Looking at old versions.


 * 1) Had one ref (imdb) - deleted my me for lack of refs (imdb is useless quality).
 * 2) Had two refs (imdb and yorkshire post) - see Articles for deletion/Thomas Howes (actor)
 * 3) Copy of 2 - so it went quick.
 * Personally I would add a Template:Infobox person to the top of the page, and fill in what fields you can (if fields are not filled in they do not show, just left there ready for later). Then you could ask the editors that wanted delete in the AfD, I've shown above.  Ron h jones (Talk) 17:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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Indef banned "fluoride spammer"
I just left a note at User talk:64.120.47.28. I'm not sure what we can do other than monitor this IP carefully for the least sign it might be the same person. Any ideas? -- Brangifer (talk) 03:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree, not much else one can do. Even IP blocks are normally enlarged each time a block is applied (I do 2-3 times, with a limit of 1 year) - but even more so if it's a confirmed sock.  Ron h jones (Talk) 15:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Essay WP:UNNEST for big templates
Regarding complex templates, I recently wrote the essay page WP:UNNEST (or "Avoiding MediaWiki expansion depth limit") which also includes issues about Convert. That essay covers the common problem of if-else logic nested over 40 levels deep, and describes ways to make templates more efficient. Convert is actually still quite efficient, with post-expand size of only 385 bytes of the 2 million limit, where {&#123;convert|1|inHg}} = "1 inch of mercury (3.4 kPa)" has stats:
 * NewPP limit report
 * Preprocessor node count: 326/1000000
 * Post-expand include size: 385/2048000 bytes
 * Template argument size: 533/2048000 bytes
 * Expensive parser function count: 0/500

However, navboxes instead seem to be the big problem: they are getting so huge, as the "boxified" contents of a would-be overview article tacked onto the bottom of other articles. Imagine if we started having "catboxes" where people really did spam wikilinks for every item in each category as bottom boxes. I wrote essay WP:Overlink_crisis, years ago, to warn people to avoid those large navboxes, which I would rather link by navbox title as a navpage instead (which is advised in the essay). More later. -Wikid77 05:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Template size lessons from Talk:Ketamine

 * Topic there: Talk:Ketamine

Most of the bottom navboxes, in a large article, should be linked by title, rather than transcluded as bottom boxes. In article "Ketamine" the bottom navboxes have been using 77% (1.6mb) of the post-expand limit, as most of the allowed 2 megabytes of formatted text. Another large template, Citation/core has used almost 20% of the limit (from {Cite_web}, {Cite_news}, {Cite_book}, etc.). The sidebar {Drugbox} is not a problem, because {drugbox} uses below 2% of the 2 mb limit (19kb). However, expensive parser functions are used by "tiny" Citation needed as [ citation needed] and Page needed as [ page needed] which were formerly tiny templates. Now, because the navboxes have been the largest resource drain, I linked 10 of them as navpages, instead, in a bottom table of titles:
 * {| class=wikitable width="96%" style="background:#F1F1FF"


 * Related navpages:
 * {&#123;Depressants}}
 * {&#123;Hallucinogens}}
 * {&#123;General anesthetics}}
 * {&#123;Analgesics}}
 * {&#123;Antidepressants}}
 * {&#123;Neurotoxins}}
 * {&#123;Cholinergics}}
 * {&#123;Dopaminergics}}
 * {&#123;Opioids}}
 * {&#123;Glutamatergics}}
 * {&#123;Glutamatergics}}

Remember, even though the bottom navboxes have been huge, some other templates need to be modified to not hog resources, as well. Outside of WT:WikiProject_Pharmacology, the Template:Citation/core should be changed to be 5x-10x times smaller. Plus, {Citation needed} or {Page needed} should be simplified to not use an "expensive parser function" - they are both an unbelievable 4x (not just double or triple, but 4 times) the size of a complex {Convert} calculation which determines numeric precision, deduces the output unit, calculates 13-digit accuracy, and rounds results to match plus wikilinks, with typesetting. Yes, {Citation needed} and {Page needed} together are 8x times the size of using {Convert} with its most complex settings. Details about those other templates are just FYI about issues to be resolved on their talk-pages. Editors should continue using {&#123;Cite web}}, Cite journal, etc. while they are being improved. Plus, {Drugbox} is fine as using only 2% of resources. The main focus here is to avoid stacking 4-or-11 navboxes at the end of each article, and use a table of "Related navpages" instead. -Wikid77 14:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * }
 * Thank you for your time. I'm sure it will be of great help. Your template knowledge is very useful.  Ron h jones (Talk) 15:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

UK Waterways in the Signpost
"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject UK Waterways for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 01:12, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've started, still thinking.  Ron h jones  (Talk) 01:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Mary Rose dab
Thanks for taking care of that - I didn't realize that there already existed a page that served the same function. (Hadn't thought of looking under HMS Mary Rose because half the ships on the list were around before the institution of "HMS.") Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 00:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I found the link on the page of the first Mary Rose.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Where? (Besides the one at the top, I mean - I only just added that.) Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 00:41, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL! You added that at 23:33, and I deleted the other page at 23:50...  Ron h jones (Talk)
 * P.S. If you ever visit the Mary Rose Museum take a warm raincoat! It very damp and cold!  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:47, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm already a fan of the Mary Rose Museum. :) Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 00:57, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Email
Hey. Just giving you a heads-up that I sent you an email. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just sent you another email (or two). —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 03:25, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey Ron, Thanks for the answer to my question
You said that wikipedia entries have to be notable, so is there (that you know of) a clear cut definition of "notoriety"? For example, I realize wikipedia does not want "elaborate fictions" put forth on its pages, but what if the entry is for an "elaborate fiction", does that justify it metaphorically in any way? Like put it up and if someone wants to take it down, or change it than they can, but it won't have any truly tangible publication for (hypothetically) years. Is there any way to appeal to an authority within wikipedia requesting special permission for such a "hypothetical" entry? I mean technically, what I would be describing would not be a falsehod, so much as it was not yet a manifested truth, like a conceptual art piece by Sol Lewitt. Do you think any argument to such an authority would be worth my time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadwarmile (talk • contribs) 16:17, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably not. Although Wikipedia is owned by the Wikipedia Foundation, they take very little action in the content here. All the policies and guidelines are written by just the users who come to a consensus - although the Foundation will act if it thought that there could be a legal reason for a change (hence recent changes to WP:BLP. They do change slightly from time to time - normally with the intent if closing up loopholes and fine adjustments to the polices. Novels is not my field, I would suggest you start a dialogue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels, where there be be more editors with better knowledge of how to have a page on a novel started.  Ron h jones (Talk) 16:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

McNutt
You are welcome to your opinion but this and are the same picture and the same resolution. Off2riorob (talk) 01:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You are so right - I looked at the picture on the page, it's a reduced version, a bit unusual, a size parameter would save them storing two pictures! Time for delete then.  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks - As I see it, keeping such clear copyright cut and copy violations for a week is similar to feeding the trolls. Thanks Off2riorob (talk) 01:17, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing it out - normally I just right click the image and "save image as" - that gives me the image showing with any EXIF data - then I do same with image here and compare in PhotoShop. I can see I'll have to watch for that trick.  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

it is true
david meniketti of y& t had died really

why you remouved my edits

sources

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/yt_bassist_dies_of_cancer.html

see the front page of y&t site

http://meniketti.com/

if it easn't for me it was propably never benn edited

thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.243.5 (talk) 01:56, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

http://meniketti.com/


 * Read the article you quoted - Dave Meniketti reported that Phil Kennemore had died. NOT himself! see also http://www.meniketti.com/vforum/showthread.php?p=333171#post333171  Ron h jones (Talk) 02:00, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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I unblocked as it seems they were making a good-faith attempt to contribute information, and was never told (other than in boilerplates) what the issue was with their edits. They also came on IRC asking for unblock and seemed genuinely confused with the process of editing and getting unblocked. If you have any issue, please tell me, etc. Thanks, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am always happy for others to unblock if they think it's suitable. It seems an odd account, it's the only page they have ever edited in 3 years - a bit of a WP:SPA, maybe it's an autobiography...  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:48, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Seeking fix to conflict of 2 spellings of the name "colin walcott" vs "collin walcott"
Hi Ronhjone, I caused confusion with re-directs I created but let me explain and perhaps you can suggest/direct me the right way: "Colin Walcott" is my name, my user name is "User:Colinwalcott".

A person before me has a simular name with 2 "l"s (Collin Walcott - this is their proper name). My spelling of my name re-directs to theirs. What I did - to distinguish "me" from them would be easliy fixed if I just have the re-directed name which doesn't belong to them (feel free to ask for verification to see if I am who I say I am)

Having said that I did set up re-directs as a resolution but I guess I did the wrong method to make it work. Suggested solutions - If I can be re-directed to "colin walcott" that is all I want to achieve. If not, the alternate spellings "Colin R. Walcott", "Walcott Colin" and "Colin Robert Walcott" specifically identifies myself from the other "collin". Input appreciated Colin Walcott--Colin Walcott 00:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Seeking fix to conflict of 2 spellings of the name "colin walcott" vs "collin walcott"
I caused confusion with re-directs I created but let me explain and perhaps you can suggest/direct me the right way: "Colin Walcott" is my name, my user name is "User:Colinwalcott".

A person before me has a simular name with 2 "l"s (Collin Walcott - this is their proper name). My spelling of my name re-directs to theirs. What I did - to distinguish "me" from them would be easliy fixed if I just have the re-directed name which doesn't belong to them (feel free to ask for verification to see if I am who I say I am)

Having said that I did set up re-directs as a resolution but I guess I did the wrong method to make it work. Suggested solutions - If I can be re-directed to "colin walcott" that is all I want to achieve. If not, the alternate spellings "Colin R. Walcott", "Walcott Colin" and "Colin Robert Walcott" specifically identifies myself from the other "collin". Input appreciated Colin Walcott--Colin Walcott 00:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the input and info, I am a new user (on the system since last year but really only started posting things for the first time this week).

A Wikipedia Stakeholder some of you "might" know by name and a well known Donor are interested in the outcome of this senario because I fit the profile of one of their new users in their case study: how the experienced users handle the novice users, and final outcome. Their interests come from various feedback from novice users in their survey (i.e. myself) and the turn-around time for creating a successful post. In the meanwhile I hope I dont lose my page after the effort to build one from scratch and I understand changes need to be made. Your imput is noted, thank you again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colinwalcott (talk • contribs) 08:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Replied on user's talk page with other comments.  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit notice
What a brilliant idea it was creating this edit notice! I wish I had thought of that. It curtails so many censorship debates. Thanks! — <font color="#DC143C" face="Garamond" size="3">Spike <font color="#000000" face="Garamond" size="3">Toronto  01:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's actually a template link on that page SexEditNotice, so I've used it on lots of sex articles. Saves having to keep typing it in - or lots of cut and paste. Let us know if you see a page I've missed .  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:09, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

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Repeat low level vandalism.
Hi Ron. I wonder if you could provide some advice for this user. Regards JRPG (talk) 10:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a school... (sigh) I've blocked so many of them. It just takes one pupil to run amok, and it spoils it for everybody. It may well be patchy (as in, say, weekly), as it may depend on when that particular class gets access to computers. Some 'game the system', by knowing that tools such as huggle will often revert back to counting from warning 1 after 2 weeks or so clear record. At present one more vandalism will tip them over the edge (pity it wasn't done on the 14th - a bit late now). They have been blocked three times, the next one should be 2-3 months long, then say 6 months, and then 1 year. Thereafter 1 year each time (I've done a few of those).  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. I do wish more people would register. JRPG (talk) 22:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You and me both - as my last userbox says This user thinks that registration should be required to edit articles.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested Page Move assistance
Thank you very much for your help - I got the --subst:Requested move-- implemented.

ed

Ecragg (talk) 04:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Victor Dahdaleh permission
Just to make you aware that I've requested more information about permissions from the website. Believe this has been sent to OTRS volunteers which should establish if any relationship between website and previous authors' attempt to create entry.

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Top That Publishing
Just a reminder: When declining a G12 (or restoring it) when there's an assertion of permission (such as the OTRS pending tag), please blank it with {{subst:copyvio}} as often the email we receive is unusable. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 21:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, will do.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: unblock-auto template
Perhaps the template can be clarified to avoid the confusion you described. I was instructed to use that template the first time this happened, and I would agree it appears as if it is not specifically meant for this situation. Alhanalem (talk) 20:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think your case is not the norm. The number of rangeblocks compared to normal and autoblocks is (I think) quite low, and the number of good users caught in them is very small. I have added the comment in your WP:IPBE setting to say that it's a rangeblock and not due to expire. Hopefully you should not have any more problems.  Ron h jones (Talk) 21:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

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Peter Edwards (artist)
Hi you deleted my attemted wiki page about myself Peter Edwards (artist). I thought the links to the six works in the National Portrait Gallery would have been enough reference to start the article. I would have added ref to the NPG catalogue, as you would find used in, for example, Tai Shan Sheirenberg's entry. Other material to be added would be film and tv references, and other museum collections. I am not altogether at home in the online world so I may have made some basic errors I'm not aware of. I would be pleased to hear your advice. There is a cv on my website www.peteredwards.net which like my whole site needs updating --Hughlay1407 (talk) 09:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I only did the deletion, it was originally tagged by User:Mhiji, also--Hughlay1407 14:33, 11 January 20--Hughlay1407 09:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)11 --Hughlay1407 10:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)(UTC) I think you should first have a r--Hughlay1407 18:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)--Hughlay1407 18:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)--Hughlay1407 13:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)ead of WP:AUTOBIO, and maybe ask the Mhiji what his view is, as he may have a more specific idea of what is required for your type of work. If you wish to recover the deleted page into your user space (see WP:USERFY), then let me know.  Ron h jones (Talk) 12:46, 5 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronjones (talk • contribs).

Mhiji cannot recall the artical and has asked if you can userfy it. --Hughlay1407 21:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Now at User:Hughlay1407/Peter Edwards (artist)  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi I've developed the article. I think it is ready to be posted. What do you think?--Hughlay1407 13:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it might be a little thin - and all WP:BLP articles must have at least one good inline reference. Please read the BLP policy as that is one of the main hurdles. To get better feedback - I would suggest using WP:REVIEW, you will get the comments of many more editors, and hopefully assist you with what is required.  Ron h jones (Talk) 16:56, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

would you mind defining what you mean by an "inline reference" please--Hughlay1407 18:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the page you need Citing sources. Each item of data has a reference link in the main body - references just listed at the end are not useful - as an extreme example look at 2011 Grand Prix motorcycle racing season - every rider will have a reference link against his/her name, that link shows when that particular item of data was published.  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:45, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Im in a mess trying to add ref then lost previouse work. can you get me back to what is shown in "show changes". I think I have entered the world of computer programming!--Hughlay1407 14:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you have it all - I've added the missing reflist template - that's why the red ref warning! Note we do not number the refs, it is left to the automatic system.  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "world of computer programming" - not so wrong! Wikitext is just an "easy"(!) web markup language that the server can fairly quickly turn into HTML.  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Much appreciated - thanks--Hughlay1407 09:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Ready to launch?--Hughlay1407 10:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC) I think the article is readry now to go live.Can you do this please?--Hughlay1407 09:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughlay1407 (talk • contribs) If you're around I would like to know how long this article will have the userfication status--Hughlay1407 11:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughlay1407 (talk • contribs)
 * There are a few typos in the text - if you use Firefox, I suggest adding the British English Dictionary. Got to Tools... Addons... and search for "British English Dictionary" and install - then any editing box will have the spell checker enabled - and all bad words have a red underline, and you can add words to your dictionary if they are correct or select the correct word by right clicking the bad word.
 * Did you want "After[1] 25th anniversary of England World Cup win gaining" in the first paragraph or is that link missing a ref tag each end?
 * Apart from that it looks OK to me - but I'm not an expert on Artist's pages. I see you have moved it - if you want me to kill the redirect left on the old page name (User:Hughlay1407/Peter Edwards (artist)) then let me know.  Ron h jones (Talk) 13:56, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

How do I add a Catagory (eg British painter) and get it to appear in its box? In other words I cannot fathon despite links how to get the Catagory to appear in its nice little box--Hughlay1407 10:24, 19 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughlay1407 (talk • contribs)
 * Two ways...
 * In "My Preferences" - Gadgets tab - select "HotCat" and Save - Then that will add a "(+)" in the categories box, click that and add the category - and it tries to auto fill - so you know what categories have been defined. When there is one defined HotCat will add a "(-)" as well so you can quickly remove them
 * At the bottom of the Edit page add it manually -
 * Hope that helps - I've done one for you.  Ron h jones (Talk) 13:40, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Many many thanks. I would like to add "For British artist see Peter Edwards (artist)" to the wiki stub for the plain "Peter Edwards" (as has the rugby league player) without falling foul of etiquette--Hughlay1407 10:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughlay1407 (talk • contribs) Sorry - somehow missed your advice on firefox and spelling but will take a look. And yes please kill the re-direct left on the old page name. Have you any tips on adding pictures?--Hughlay1407 15:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)I warn you I am very dense on these things but I'm not sure what you are asking me when you asked(Did you want "After[1] 25th anniversary of England World Cup win gaining" in the first paragraph or is that link missing a ref tag each end?) Or i can get one of my grown up children to take a look as they know more about these things--Hughlay1407 15:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Old redirect deleted.
 * Looks like you sorted out that link on the world cup, maybe you did before you read my bit.
 * That original Peter Edwards was way inferior to either of the other two - and could not claim to be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC - so I've moved that, and turned the page into a DAB page.
 * You could a Template:Infobox artist to the top of the page, that gives you a nice placeholder for a picture.
 * For a picture you need a photo that (ideally) has been taken by yourself (or whoever uploads the photo). It should not be anywhere else on the web - otherwise have a read at WP:DCM! Ideally use a digital camera, and don't edit the picture - or edit it very carefully to preserve the EXIF data that the camera adds (do not cut and paste into a new blank image) - Wikipedia will show the EXIF data, it helps other check that it has been taken by a camera, and does not match any web photo. Photos should be uploaded to Commons where possible - then they can be used by any wikipedia, not just the English one.
 * Hope that helps.  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

That is very helpful, and when i think of the right image I will upload it. Also many thanks for the DAB page. However I have noticed that the script on the DAB page, when you have googled peter edwards, but before clcking on it, has gone back to just citing the science P.E.!--Hughlay1407 16:05, 25 January 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughlay1407 (talk • contribs)
 * Your mean
 * Peter Edwards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 * Peter Philips Edwards FRS (born 1949, Liverpool) is a British scientist. He won the 2003 Hughes Medal of the Royal Society ::"for his distinguished work as a ...
 * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Edwards - Cached
 * Google can take a while before it catches up with the current page contents. Google has it's own algorithm on when to update - seeing as the last page has hardly changed, I suspect it has set itself a low return rate  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I have added a ref to a Robert Baugh (1) wich brings up a very long link toe his obit in the Gentlemans Magazine (Harvard library). It looks long and ungainly. Could I have done it better?--Hughlay1407 22:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

page deletion
Hi, i'm the creator of a page you have deleted few minutes ago (Fabrizio Cerina) for copyright infringement of a link...but in the page is not present this link! Otherwise, it's possibile to recreate this page? Thank and best regards Varta2011 (talk) 20:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Restored without the copyright violations (not permitted). It will need a tidy up.  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crandell_Theatre
Hi Ron. I believe you blocked my Wiki Page after it was approved by a OTRS agent via email this morning. Could you please unblock my page? I am the author of the website, and we want to use the same editorial copy from our website on our wiki page. Thanks.

Subject: Re: [Ticket#2011013010011239] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crandell_Theatre From: Permissions <permissions@wikimedia.org>	(Add as Preferred Sender) Date:	Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:45 am To:	login@crandelltheatre.org Dear Jean Strong,

Thank you for your email. Our response follows your message.

01/30/2011 23:40 - wrote:

> REFERENCE: [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crandell_Theatre > > Original Message > Subject: crandell theatre history text > From: <[2]login@crandelltheatre.org> > Date: Sun, January 30, 2011 3:51 pm > To: [3]permissions-en@wikimedia.org > > I hereby affirm that THE CRANDELL THEATRE is the creator and/or sole owner of > the exclusive copyright of[the history of the Crandell - > http://www.crandelltheatre.org/historyI agree to publish that work under the > free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0" (unported) and GNU > Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, > front-cover texts, or back-cover texts) on wikipedia.I acknowledge that by > doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or > otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide > by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.I am aware that I > always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in > accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will > not be attributed to me.I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, > and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia > project.Jean Strong ,Crandell Theatre 48 Main Street Chatham NY 12037 > Appointed representative > Jan. 30, 2011 > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crandell_Theatre > [2] mailto:login@crandelltheatre.org > [3] mailto:permissions-en@wikimedia.org >

We have received the permission for the text and have made the necessary modifications to the article.

Thank you for providing this to us, and for your contribution to Wikipedia.

Yours sincerely, Verno Whitney

-- Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanstrong (talk • contribs) 20:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Template cleared, you should be able to see the page again.  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Zaphod Beeblebrox quote
I have reverted your edit on the Property is Theft entry. The quotation is not in reference to the starship Heart of Gold, but rather in reference to Zaphod's theft of Hotblack Desiato's stuntship. Please refer to the text of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe. 209.195.164.34 (talk) 23:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I don't personally remember that, but as I have not got the book handy, I leave it to others to check.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:18, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Anonblock on 24.171.117.132
What I find kind of charming is that 24.171.117.132 says they "is messin up this site" but can't quite bring themselves to use the "f word" in full. "eff" is as close as they dare to get. Ahhh. Cheers, Tonywalton Talk 00:29, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * They know ClueBot will spot the full word!  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:30, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Guess so. A vandal with class would use "swyve" :-) Tonywalton Talk 00:34, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Nuevo - Sunset Rise page deletion
I was editing & trying to place a hang on as you deleted. As I was also saying on it's discussion page: I do not believe this page/article should be deleted because I am waiting for more information from the artist to include, & gathering references to build a page for the band itself. Also, this album links to a band member's page, Peter Godwin, & also to another wiki's page, Lyric.wikia.com. Although, I am trying to take this a bit slow because I am learning, so any advice is welcome. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beatriceblue (talk • contribs) 01:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You need a page on the Artist before you can make an album page (assuming that the artist is notable)  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:44, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

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Settlement of Tarbela Dam affectees
HI, I created this page because its about the displaced families or affectees of the largest earth filled dam (Tarbella Dam)in the world. It is an important encyclopedic article and I believe deleting it is not doing justice to its importance. I did copy paste from a website and reference to it was given. I was about to place hang on tag but it got deleted. Kindly revert the deletion so that I can rewrite the article in my own words and bring it in tone with wikipedia rules. cheers!Wikitanoli (talk) 23:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, not allowed. We cannot have any copyright material in Wikipedia at any time - it is always swiftly deleted. As soon as the page is created, automatic bots will check phrases and quickly spot the copyright violation. My only suggestion is to copy from the web page to a simple word processor (notepad or wordpad) on your PC, and re-phrase the material there, then copy as a block into Wikipedia - note that the material must be completely re-phrased - changing a few words in each sentence is still regarded as a close copy. I would also suggest starting new pages in your user space - such as User:Wikitanoli/Settlement of Tarbela Dam affectees - that will make your life easier as editors will not be checking that the article is notable enough to stay, and you can then work on improving the article until you think it's ready to move to article space. Note that the rule on copyright still applies to user space.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Pronghorn (band) for deletion
The article Pronghorn (band) is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Pronghorn (band) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Berone (talk) 18:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, my name is DarkJak495. I was wondering if you could vote on the Requests for adminship/ DarkJak495 page. Cheers! P.S. please reply on my page. Thanks! User DarkJak495   talk   23:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

How do I action it? User DarkJak495   talk   00:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Item 9 onwards on WP:RFA/NOM, don't be surprised at the result though.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)