User talk:Ronsonmanchild

links
Thanks for the comment. I'd prefer not to "go to war" over the links. I believe the links don't belong in the sailing articles because they aren't actually related to sailing--they seem to be more kite-oriented. Rather than get into a pitched battle, how about if we get a third opinion? Wikipedia even has a page for that: Third opinion. Joyous | Talk 10:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Deletion discussion
An article you created has been nominated for deletion. Feel free to contribute to the discussion at this page. Joyous | Talk 23:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of articles
(from User talk:Joy Stovall) Why are all my articles being deleted, even ones I only edited, and why are all you users making so many inaccurate assumptions about my articles? I am brand new to wikipedia, and you have sucked all the motivation and enthusiasm from me. I didn't realize when I added Garbasail (an article I DID NOT create) to the "Sailing" category, that it would lead to you gathering your troops, and wiping me off this site completely. How can I possibly defend myself, not even understanding the process? How can I defend myself to multiple experienced users who have already made their extremely closed minds up? I don't know why you chose me to pick on, but you have succeeded, and it is unfair. I would add to the discussion if I could find any discussion. When users say merely "Vanity", "Original Research", or "Complete Bollocks", I can not sense any discussion. I also did not realize that the number of hits on google can make a definition credible, it seems to me like this is a VERY flawed system. I will likely just give up, because I don't have an army like you. Thanks for giving me the equivalent of a punch in the stomach. I apologize if I come across at all argumentative, it is not my intention, I am just seriously offended by the organized effort to attack my articles directly. - Ronsonmanchild 12:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I apologize if it seems as though there's an organized effort to go after you or the articles you've created. I haven't gathered my troops together, nor am I interested in driving you from this site. When you placed the link for Garbasail, it caught my attention because I have "sailing" on a list of articles that I keep an eye on. When I looked at the article, nothing there persuaded me that it is a practice carried out by more than a very few people. Wikipedia has set some standards of notability for inclusion of articles here. It did not appear to me that garbasail met those standards. That's what prompted the discussion about the possible deletion. When other editors noticed the discussion, they looked at the related articles, and came to the conclusion on their own that they might not be suitable for Wikipedia. Really, no one is picking on you specifically: it's just that you've written and contributed to several articles that seem to be teetering on the edge of being publicity-gathering devices. Wikipedia tries to avoid being the vehicle for establishing popularity and "well-knownness," preferring to document recognition rather than establish it in the first place. Joyous | Talk 17:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The "deletion limbo" (I like that phrase: I may have to start using it myself) lasts 7 days from the initial listing of the article on the deletion discussion page. Try not to feel like you're having to work under the 7-day deadline, though. If the article is deleted, that doesn't mean that it can't be re-created. However, if you re-create an article, you'll need to address whatever concerns were raised in the deletion discussion, or it will simply be deleted again immediately. If you want an area to keep the article while you work with it, simply create what is known as a "user subpage." The easiest way to do that is to create this page by clicking on it and starting: User:Ronsonmanchild/workspace. You can do all of your rough draft work there, and keep notes for yourself, until you have the article in the shape you want it to be in, then move it into the main article space.


 * My gut-feeling about the articles is that you'll have a better shot at success if all the information that was spread out over several articles is collected into one. If garbasailing is a more widespread phenomenon, and Josh Levine invented it, then maybe Josh Levine (environmental artist) is the article you want to work on, with garbasailing and long-distance string art, etc. worked into that article.


 * I want to say "thank you" for being so reasonable and willing to work with us to improve these articles. My intention was NEVER to drive you away: you can obviously write, and you're clearly open to discussion, and those are 2 qualities that we can never have enough of at Wikipedia. Whether or not the Levine-related articles survive, I hope you stay on and continue editing.  Cheers-- Joyous | Talk 19:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Josh levine 1200.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Josh levine 1200.jpg, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Joyous! | Talk 16:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)