User talk:Rontombontom

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Channel Tunnel
Thank you for making a substantial edit to Channel Tunnel, that is actually the largest edit I have seen in the article for some time :-) With the traffic tables, I feel they may be a little redundant with the graph, what do you think? The graph does need to be updated with the 2008 figures though.--Commander Keane (talk) 10:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hm, could be... but I'd like the (more) precise figures displayed, with sourcing, and the sum for the rail and shuttle freight (because otherwise the data cited in the preceding paragraph is confusing); while the figure's .dat file has the four compontents only to the first digit after the comma and no place for a link. But maybe the creator of the graph would know how to integrate the data in my tables? --Rontombontom (talk) 00:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I have added the sources to the graph's description page. I am confused about precise figures comment, the graph seems to match your tables, except for the Eurostar passengers which is rounded as the source for pre-2004 only gives two significant figures (eg "6.3").--Commander Keane (talk) 01:55, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Great work on the added table!


 * I did not meant to say that the graph and my tables don't match. I'd just prefer that data is recorded on Wiki with as many significant figures as available in original sources. For Eurostar, from 2003 that's exact figures (seven significant figures). For 2007 and 2008, there is railfreight data to three significant figures. (In fact, I also have the exact figures for earlier years for both written up somewhere, will dig it up.)


 * It seems to me you would be concerned by having a table with different data to differing significant figures. If yes, why? If not, then I think everything could be resolved: I would edit your table on the image file page with the more precise figures, and edit out the tables I added to the article. --Rontombontom (talk) 06:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * OK set up a new table and we will find someone to plot it :-) I was a little concerned with data have differing accuracy for different years, but if it reflecting the sources then that is fine. Did we decide if the tables are staying in the article? Having a nice table on the image description page seems OK to me, but don't mind having them in the article (hopefully they go to 1994 though) .--Commander Keane (talk) 06:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks for the Image workshop link, I thought the updated data would just be incorporated in an update of the existing graph, did not know the proper procedure. Will do sometime later (am busy with other things today; and also want to write 2 new articles on high-speed trains not yet on the English-language Wikipedia). Once the new graph is ready, I'd be content with only the latest date given in the article text, so I'd remove the tables from the article then. (Let's call it a decision :-) )


 * I hope I have data all the way back to 1994 (and hope that I can find at least archived versions of online sources), but am not sure. At any rate, we are bound to have differing accuracy: Eurotunnel stopped to give precise tonnages for railfreight a few years ago, switching to count trains instead, and giving tonnages as informative number rounded to different significant figures. --Rontombontom (talk) 10:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Ziggymaster
I noticed your note on Sennengoroshi's page, and I thought you would like to know that a number of other users are also concerned about Ziggymaster's recent edits. If you would like to report your concerns, I recommend leaving a note with an Admin. Currently, MoP is looking into the situation, so that may be a good place to start. Best wishes RlndGunslinger (talk) 11:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

THSR
Personally I don't see the difference between "THSR's core technology is Shinkansen" with "THSR is based on Shinkansen". Can you clarify? --Will74205 (talk) 21:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

KTX
Great work expanding and cleaning up Korea Train Express! Jpatokal (talk) 21:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * :-) --Rontombontom (talk) 21:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello, ThanksIfor your interest of KTX section. I appreciate your effort. I was move accident section of KTX-I which is not belong to whole KTX system. I was not touched any your edit at there. Ssyublyn (talk) 10:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Would appreciate your assistance in knocking a little sense into User:Ssyublyn over his recent edits... Jpatokal (talk) 10:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * See Tag team Ssyublyn (talk) 10:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Jpatokal, I would indeed have fould the ongoing edit war at the KTX page on my own. Ssyublyn, I detailed my views on your deletion of the accidents and technical issues section on the KTX page. Here I note that, as there, for easy reading, it's good to pay attention to indicating the time sequence of replies by indenting all your paragraphs to the proper level: for example, above, by placing part of your contribution above Jpatokal's but not indenting it more, it had the appearance of pre-dating it. --Rontombontom (talk) 14:23, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

You should know Wikipedia does not publish original research. No original research Ssyublyn (talk) 18:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Quote: The term "original research" refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and stories—not already published by reliable sources. I called for a search for already published sources... --Rontombontom (talk) 19:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * "...you must be able to cite reliable published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support the material as presented..." No original research Ssyublyn (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * What, in your view, was not directly related to the topic of the article?... --Rontombontom (talk) 19:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe you are constructive editor before. But your full removing/reverting of my edit is simply not acceptable. it is not regard as constructive edit.
 * Human error / Natural disaster(fault zone under tunnel area) / Tunnel construction were not technical issue. Please edit by only notable and directly related source/topic. Ssyublyn (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Regarding your arguments on behaviour: I removed edits which were (1) making unsourced and partly obviously false claims (KTX-I is not a French train and not a TGV Réseau -- only a train designed on the basis of the TGV Réseau and with the first dozen manufactured in France, as aptly detailed further up in the article), (2) were subject to a dispute in the Talk section that quite clearly did not reach a consensus yet, (3) were the continuation of an on-going edit war between you and Jpatokal, ignoring my request to follow through said dispute in the Talk as per Wikipedia policies before further edits. As such, it was your removed edits which I considered unconstructive. I note that I consider your removal of a warning on your Talk page (which I restored) And the way you edit the Talk page for the KTX page rather unconstructive behaviour, too. I again request that instead of edit warring and spillover of the content dispute to my personal Talk page, you keep to the dispute of the content, and that on the Talk page of the KTX article until consensus is reached. --Rontombontom (talk) 07:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * OK. I want discuss with you. I think You and I can improve its article. Let's discuss topic. I was fully explained each case' final investigation. What is the cause. And i proved it was NOT related to technical issue. Also i fully provided counter evidence/source without my original research. All sourced / referenced matertials provided. I keep pointed out It was not related to technical issue of KTX train and its whole KTX system.
 * #Human error is not techinical issue of KTX. First, Driver shut down ATS system by himself. 2nd, It was 100% fact that driver slept while driving. No passner injuried. Train crashed at their own Parking Lot.
 * #Natural disaster is not techinical issue of KTX.
 * #Tunnel design it not relate to KTX Topic. The tunnel constructed by construction company, not Korail, And contracted by Ministry of Construction and Transportation. Ssyublyn (talk) 09:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ssyublyn (talk) 09:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Good. But, as said above, let's keep the content discussion to the KTX page -- I already addressed all of the above points there. --Rontombontom (talk) 10:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you are only likely-neutral constructived ediors at its topic. two Japanese users keep their POV pushing by nonsense reason. I think you and I should keep improving its article.
 * Btw, Can you shortly explain what is your question/disputed points at my page? It will helpful resolve its edit war. 10:20, 24 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssyublyn (talk • contribs)


 * Ssyublyn, above, you have (1) repeated your ad hominem against two other users based on their perceived nationality, and (2) have asked me to continue content discussion on your personal Talk page to exclude them from the editorial process; thereby also (3) ignoring my repeated requests upthread to keep the content discussion to the Talk page of the KTX article. I consider all three of these behaviours as serious breaches of netiquette, and again kindly ask you to refrain from them in the future. Also, it is my view that you did have constructive contributions to the discussion on the Talk page of the KTX article before, so I again ask you to continue in that manner there and cease the edit war until consensus is reached in that discussion. --Rontombontom (talk) 19:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

First, I did not POV pushing or any original research. So, It can't be describe my edit was a edit war. (because it was not my view or edit) You confusing me as silly POV pusher as Jpatokal did.

Second, See. WP:FIXED


 * "Fixed page
 * "This page can no longer be edited. Its final version has been published already."
 * "You do not qualify to edit this page."
 * "This page has special editing rules that must be followed."
 * "You must discuss before editing this page."
 * "Please discuss before making such drastic changes."
 * It is a big myth on Wikipedia that certain pages, such as some articles on high-profile subjects, templates, and project pages are fixed, and can only be edited by those in a position of authority, with a certain level of experience, with a prior discussion, or otherwise with special permission.Nothing on Wikipedia is in stone "

Massive blanking/ Page fixing / Claim : I was owner of its article is not acceptable.

Please calm down. We only edit its page by No original research. All refenced source. Ssyublyn (talk) 05:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

'''If You want constructive (yes, 'constructive') edit, We should change it article little by little if valid reason confirmed. I did not said i want keep its page on its my version. Please do not removing whole by part / own reason''' Ssyublyn (talk) 06:13, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

You requested many many things to me. Is it your strategy that "If you answer my request, all of your edits are null and void" stance? Please remeber anything is not fixed. This kind of discussion are not valid points.
 * 1) I am not a researcher of Korail accident
 * 2) I am not a technical guy of KTX
 * 3) I am not a god or judge of everything

Actually, questions are not new. I already answered Tunnel safety, Failure rate, Collision in Busan, Fault zone. Don't repeating question again and again. Please don't asking me Orignial Research. I only providing valid Source. Ssyublyn (talk) 07:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

And you said, ""did not present any source to support"? This is really absurd claim. The plenty of sources already provided." I already provided numerous source to support. See the Talk:Korea_Train_Express. You can saw numerous final investigation sources at there. If you deny its Source/Investigaion by your convenience claim, It going to "Original Research". Ssyublyn (talk) 07:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Simple examples,
 * A : "In my original thinking, I doubt it was really ... So i have right reason to add my original thinking"
 * B : "Investigator finally found problem was..."

In wikipedia, The only "B" is valid, "A" is not.

Are you really using strategy that "If you answer my request, all of your edits are null and void" stance? we says it is a POV Pushing. Stop question, provide counter part valid sources. We can only discuss by "source : source".Ssyublyn (talk) 07:14, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I leave the above as evidence, but note for the record that User:Ssyublyn has been blocked indefinitely as suspected sockpuppet following an SPI I submitted, see admin note on his user page. --Rontombontom (talk) 16:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Questions
OK. I have a questions like you.
 * 1) Please provide valid source that Responsible of Tunnel construction are all belong to KTX 'train''s fault.
 * 2) Please provide valid source that "'Natural disaster/The problem calused by Natural' is directly link to Train's fault.
 * 3) Please provide valid source that Human error was Train's fault. In addition, Even driver shut down ATS by himself. There is no technology or system interrupt driver at that times.
 * 4) Please provide valid source that 0.304% Failure rate (brokedown rate) was Notable.

If any source from international Train orginization guide that These are Train's fault, Then i will completely agree with your edit. Ssyublyn (talk) 07:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problems- KTX
I've left a message on the talk page of KTX suggesting that the copyright problems be resolved first, then deal with any editing issues. As such it would be helpful if you could help with this - ie in edits in the next short time period, (until editors agree that there are no copyright issues in the article) should only remove copyright violations, and not any other material at the same time.

It seems to me that the article will be a good one no matter what 'editor version' is used, and that the issues are fairly minor, but have got out of hand.

I've left similar messages on other talk pages. Thanks.Sf5xeplus (talk) 22:00, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

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TRAXX
thanks for working on the traxx article - I think you introduced an error - see edit history. 

Also in the section TRAXX it says at the bottom: The still in-production FS Class E464 got the designation TRAXX P160 DCP,[14] while was applicable to the Iore class,[15] however, these then still in production types were excluded from the TRAXX family in publications after 2007.[16] - I quite can't make sense of this - specifically what is meant about the IORE class? Also shouldn't this part be mentioned in a section about the E464

Also perhaps the traxx DC versions should be split into a separate article - with a link from traxx ? (given the history..)Sf5xeplus (talk) 17:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oops, sorry about moving the synthetic ester to the wrong place! It was supposed to go to the Development section anyway.
 * For Iore, I left out the TRAXX type designation H80 AC, now added. --Rontombontom (talk) 18:05, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding the DC versions: while Bombardier's designation of the E464 as TRAXX in 2003 was spurious (it does have shared elements due to its ABB origins, though), that designation was dropped later, and the new DC versions have the same carbody and significant commonality in electric equipment with the MS versions, so I don't think it should be split. --Rontombontom (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Also the web-archive links are acting strange - the archived page appears for a few seconds, then dissapears and says "page not found" - are you getting this too eg loading http://web.archive.org/web/20031206022814/http://www.bombardier.com/en/1_0/1_1/1_1_5.jsp gives me this page http://web.archive.org/web/20110109175024/index.jsp?id=/20&lang=we&file=/web/20031206022814/http://www.bombardier.com/en/1_0/1_1/1_1_5.jsp .. Sf5xeplus (talk) 17:57, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, I get that too; that's probably the result of some not archived applet or image. Unfortunately, it behaves the same for all versions of the pages archived between 2003 and 2008. But just hit stop loading in those few seconds before loading stops.--Rontombontom (talk) 18:05, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That's all fixed. I really don't know much about the background of E464, though I am aware of Bombardier's "historical revisionism" regarding locomotives - they do this for all their inherited products including passeneger vehicles as well. I've seen IC3 labelled as being built by Bombardier for instance - it's one to watch out for. Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Cooling
Just when I though we were getting the right answers I found this page 103

It says that a form of oil cooling using less flammable oil subtitutes eg silicone or ester based oils are used for DB classes 101,145,185 (page 104) (this could explain the confusion over the cooling in class 185.1?)

The same book has details of the specific types of electrical systems in chapter 8 - including traxx - the info doesn't show up in preview - but it looks like a source that would definately be worth getting if you need more background for the history. (It's only electric systems though - no info on bogies etc).

Hope that book helps you. Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:47, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh. I managed to use up the number of pages I can access in that book just after the cooling section, too... --Rontombontom (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * ok your recent additions look good - one last thing (hopefully) - I'm not sure that the ester coolants are biodegradeable .. the impression I got from a Bombardier publication (which I can't find now) was that the recent change to water/glycol coolant in the new traxx versions was the change to a biodegradeable coolant (glycol definately biodegrades). I haven't changed it - indirect evidence is that page 2 Continuous reduction of environmentally harmful materials includes the change to a water coolant "For TRAXX F140 MS, the cooling of the new IGBT converter is by means of a water/glycol mixture" . All this doesn't mean that the ester stuff isn't biodegradable - just not sure. I'll just fact tag it in the article for now.Sf5xeplus (talk) 19:45, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

From korean wikipedia
→ ko:위키백과토론:대사관

Although my translation ability is poor, I wish you had used it more on some of your translation. Thank you. --Idh0854 (talk) 00:32, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I ask to go certain: the train driver who caused the accident only had 2 hours 29 minutes of sleep (from 22:31 to 01:00?) --Rontombontom (talk) 09:14, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the cause of accident was due to drive while drowsy and negligence of supervisor.(clear the seat without talk) Also, Busan Korail branch office say(4th) that the train driver had emotional instability about family troubles, and besides he is sleepy drive, this is the reason for the accident. Thus, the train driver was convicted and fined about ￦(= won) 500 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idh0854 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if Korail was regularly leaving train drivers two and a half hours between two shifts, this was bound to happen, it sounds like the driver was made the culprit... At any rate, thanks a lot especially for the source on the conviction and fine! I was looking for one without success.
 * May I ask you to look into another similar issue (one with potentially higher relevance for both the Korea Train Express and KTX-I articles than a sleepy drive in a station)? On June 13, 2007, there was another accident, when the yaw damper of a KTX train got free due to a loose screw. All the articles I could find on the accident were written at most a few days later, and cite Korail saying that investigation is still ongoing to determine whether the cause was material failure or bad maintenance. Could you find a source on the end result of that investigation? --Rontombontom (talk) 10:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree to your idea.
 * Of course. :) I should be pleased to help. :) But My other work(sandbox work & request of other wikipieda user) will end after a few days, I'll be a little late. (Sorry~!) Thank you. --Idh0854 (talk) 04:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No prob, and I thank you! Being busy with another article, I still haven't worked your above sources into the KTX articles, either (should do today or tomorrow). --Rontombontom (talk) 12:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, so so late.. And sorry, too. I has still find to do so can you wait for me? The KTX small accidents is so much.(..) I will find one-to-one correspondence news, soon. I am awfully sorry for making you wait. T^T Thank you. --Idh0854 (talk) 09:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I was/am busy on other projects anyway, and I'm glad to have a native speaker willing to collaborate on this. (Since then, I worked your sources on the Busan accident into the articles.) --Rontombontom (talk) 09:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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