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Untitled stuff (or "When I was a Beginner")
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Refdoc 19:05, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I have written now quite a lot on Christians and other religious minorities in Iran. Feel free to add! Refdoc 01:05, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC) -- Thanks for adding Persian script to proper Persian nouns. They make the articles more professional. --Menchi (Talk)ü| â 05:52, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I recommend that when you mention "...in Persian" that you Wikify it ( Persian ). --Menchi (Talk)ü| â 11:41, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) -- Hi Roozbeh. I've chatted with you before on IRC about Persian and Unicode and I've been adding the Persian script to a few articles here. Maybe you'd like to check my contributions to see whether I've made any mistakes. I wasn't able to find the Persian for a few terms such as The Middle East" and I wasn't sure I found the correct ones for Darius and Xerxes, for instance. Thanks. Hippietrail 07:28, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * Hello Roozbeh, and everybody else who reads this. Adding Persian scripts to articles is a waste of time, out of place and worst of all, it ruins the articles for those of us who use web browsers that don't fully support Unicode yet. Effectively you, you are making life miserable for most of non-Windows and non-Mac users.  If you really like the idea, you can start a Persian Wiki like many other languages have it now and add wiki-links to the articles, instead of mixing multiple languages with English articles.  Thank you for your understanding. -Anonymous

-- Hello. I made Islamic Iran Participation Front today. Does it seem OK? Thanks, Morwen 21:58, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)


 * It's fine. Would you please recheck in case of editing requirements? Roozbeh 01:19, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * The first paragraph seems to end up vanishing into nowhere... Missing text? Morwen 07:19, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes. Sorry. Should be fixed by now. I tried to get someone write on Mohammad Reza Khatami also. Roozbeh 10:17, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hello Roozbeh. Is "pressure group leaders" fine for Asgar and Emami? Farshadrbn 12:15, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. Asgar has never been a leader. He's just an active member of pressure groups. But I agree that it's a little better than terrorist. Roozbeh 00:50, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hello, please see it: http://www.theestimate.com/public/02252000b.html


 * But please note the copyright: "© Copyright 2000, The International Estimate, Inc. No part of this web site, including its graphics, written content or any other material may be reprinted without the written permission of The International Estimate, Inc."

Hi Roozbeh, nice to see you active in wikipedia :) I am not sure how good your Arabic is, but please feel free to pass by Arabic Wikipedia. -- Isam


 * I'm sorry I don't know enough Arabic in order to contribute. But I take a look sometimes. Roozbeh 14:10, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

- [1] Please see [] with regard to the Shah. [2] Don't do "cut and paste" to move articles, it loses the article's history. There's a move function. - Nunh-huh 21:43, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the naming convention thing. Will try to fix stuff. As for the move function, one can't move a page to somewhere with already existing history, can one? Roozbeh 23:43, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't worry about trying to fix it, it's something that you can ask an administrator to do. Same thing with moving to a location with a history in it. They have to delete it, move, then restore it. I was just trying to discourage copy/paste things. -- Nunh-huh 23:50, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Anon users voting on admins
I am not sure that anon users are aloud to vote on admins. I would check that, it would eliminate the one opposition vote (so far). good luck. GrazingshipIV 23:00, Apr 15, 2004 (UTC)


 * Somebody has already moved the anon vote to the comments part. But I got the opposing vote after all, from Kingturtle. &#x2639; Roozbeh 17:34, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sysop
Congratulations! You are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. Good luck. Angela. 16:35, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, Roozbeh! Cribcage 20:29, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mossadegh
How would you pronounce "gh"? Those two letters don't mean anything. In a word like "sleigh" the "gh" has a "ey" sound. In a word like "through" it has a "oo" sound. The point of a phonetic pronounciation guide it to make it easier for a person to say the word. You need to use a better description than "gh" to describe the last sound of his name. Is it a y sound? What does "Mossadegh" rhyme with? user:J.J.


 * Ah, it is a sound that doesn't exist in English. It's something between an English "g" and a French "r" that is usually transcribed as "gh" or sometimes "q" in English. I guess I should switch the pronounciation to IPA. Roozbeh 15:26, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi, this is to remind you to translate Elections for the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation into Farsi and post it on teh Recent Changes pages of the Farsi Wikipedia. Thank you. Danny 10:28, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

Muslims scientist
Can't you see the connection between the revolution of science and Islam? The famous mathematican who invented used to praise God trough out his books and you left that out now? I'm trying to be objective here. His works are besides scientifical significance value also a relgious value. A.


 * I can't see the necessity. Its almost obvious from Al-Khwarizmi's name that he was a muslim. Why emphasize it in the introduction? Isaac Newton was a Christian, do we write that in the first paragraph of the article? Roozbeh 22:37, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

No, because the connection between Christianity and Newton is only because Newton was a Christian. I'm saying the upcoming of Islam contributed to the new revolution of science. Ever scientist know this. Why leave it out? A. 22:43, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with your reason. But please move this debate to the talk page of the article. I believe my personal discussion page is not the place for this. Roozbeh 22:48, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Translation/moving to Persian Wikipedia?
Gods of greec and Persian lamb may be of interest to you... - Mustafaa 23:06, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Both should be cut and pastes from a copyrighted source. The quality is very bad. Not interested. Roozbeh 16:31, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Also, any interest in signing up at Translation into English? We have no one for Persian. -- Jmabel 23:43, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm not good in translating from Persian to English. But thanks for telling me. Roozbeh 16:31, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Christians in Iran
Please be so kind to have a look at this developing "edit and revert" war between k1 and myself. I ahve tried to incorporate every single addition by him into the article, but he can do nothing but revert the artiocle to something like half its size. Refdoc 00:07, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I protected the page. I'll wait for you to try to come to some resolution between yourselves. If that didn't happen in a short while, I'll try to come and do some rewrite of the article to incorporate both your views. Currently, I think your version is a little better, but please make sure you use defensible references specially for your statistics. Roozbeh 16:46, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Iran
Please explain on the Iran talk page why you protected it and ways to have it unprotected (I am aware of the belligerent attitude of K1 and am currently involved in an argument with him, but not anything abusive). I appreciate your dedication to the authenticity of Wikipedia, but please remember to explain major happenings such as protections on that page's talk page.--naryathegreat 22:26, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)


 * The abuse was not being done by K1, but by anonymous editors. I just explained that at the talk page. Sorry. Roozbeh 01:24, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Qom
You obviously know what you're talking about, but I wanted to clear something up. Does being the "center" of a province mean anything? Or are you just stating that the largest city in Qom province is Qom? (And perhaps that's what should be said about it?) Do provinces in Iran not have capitals? Or at least Qom Province? A good portion (not quite half) Half the reasonable google links I come up with say it's the capital, the other half say nothing about any political relevance (other than Khomeni) and focus on the spiritual relevance.

References that say it's the capital: and http://lexicorient.com/cgi-bin/eo-direct-frame.pl?http://i-cias.com/e.o/qom.htm

Major reference that omits it being a capital, and you'd think that'd be notable information (like having an article about Little Rock without noting it's the capital of Arkansas):

Hope to clear this up quickly. Thanks :) --Golbez 02:32, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Being the "center" of a province is a geopolitical term used in Iran for the same notion you are talking about here, I am stating the same fact that this is the capital, but using the correct term, "center". Provinces in Iran have "center"s, not "capital"s, and "capital" is reserved for Tehran, capital of the country. If this doesn't make it clear, please tell me. Roozbeh 12:46, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Nope, that's all I wanted to know, if it was simply a different term for the head of a province. :) To lessen confusion in the future, perhaps an article for "Center (Iran)" or something similar should be made, along the lines of articles existing for Capital. --Golbez 15:33, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Iran-Iraq war
Back in March, I think, you put a notice into that article being disputed. Since then a number of changes has been done, though I think it certainly can still improve. Could you see where there are matters still unresolved so that we can take the notice down again ? Refdoc 14:26, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Refdoc 07:57, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Khwarizm -> Khwarazm
I suggest that we correct the name Khwarizm to its more correct form Khwarazm across the board. The Iranian name of it is Khwarazm, the ancient Greek histroians have recorded it as Chorasmia and in the Achaemenids inscriptions in Old Persian it is recorded as Uvârazmîy. So it is obvious that Khwarizm (as in Al-Khwarizmi) is a bastardization of the more correct form Khwarazm. I wanted to change that a long time ago, but I knew if I created a new article with the correct name, all the histoty of the old articles will be lost. There are a number of articles involved in this. What are your thoughts? --K1 05:03, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * I believe we shouldn't care about the original spellings. We should go with the most common/correct spelling in the English-speaking world. I don't know which is that, but I guess it would be Khwarizm. But I'm not the important person here. Please raise the issue on the talk page of the article itself. If there was no objection, we will move. I can help with my admin powers to keep the history in one piece. Roozbeh 15:48, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Request to unprotect some pages
Hi there! I'm a new admin. You protected Persia, History of Iran, Christians in Iran, Persian literature, and Azerbaijani language on July 7. It's been 13 days now; mind if I unprotect? Quadell (talk) 20:58, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Quadell, I unprotected all but Christians in Iran, since there is still a hot debate there and the case is proposed to the arbitration committee. Roozbeh 21:35, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

On copyright
Hi! Thank you for the information. I will pay more attention to the copyright matters. Take care. --Mani1 15:39, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

links you removed
Hello, Did the external links you removed violate some policy? Is there a reason? Isfahan and Khomeine. I notice a thread of anti-Islamic Republic of Iran thought expressed in your writing. Are you injecting politics into you editing? I should think just telling the truth would do well here and if you want to be political this is not really the place, is it?


 * Well, they were self-links I guess, that is against policy. But the main reason I removed them was that I considered the links not that useful on most cases. In case of Marashi, for example, the link was useful and I didn't remove it. Please consider merging encyclopedic information from the links into the articles themselves.


 * And I am not writing against the Islamic Republic, no. I have actually created many articles on the Islamic Republic politicians. Can you call the article Gholam Ali Haddad-Adel or Behzad Nabavi anti-Islamic Republic?! Roozbeh 11:15, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Point of fact I find both articles to show bias. But you are the admin and I am not going to play. I am not going to post here anymore so you can have your way. JBOC


 * I don't see the bias. Would you please explain them at the articles' talk pages? Anyway, I am not allowed to abuse my admin powers or I will lose them. Feel free to try to make the articles observing a more neutral point of view. I will be happy to see someone with a knowledge of Iran work on them. Roozbeh 00:37, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hello Roozbeh, Maybe you mean well but there is a subtle spin that leaves a negative impression about the Republic. I would try to fix but 90% of my contributions get yanked which tells me I am wasting my time. This is not a forumn for what I write. I am going to keeping writing www.spongoBongo.com amd www.sw-asia.com. I am up to about 10,000 pages and i wanted to merge that into wikipedia but I think I am best off going it alone. best wishes, Barry O'Connell


 * Some of your edits were reverted because they were not encyclopedic. Please see your own talk page for comments. Roozbeh 02:23, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Hello. I am from China. I have feeling like Mr. O'Connel about Mr. Roozbeh edit. In chinese we have proveb that say if you eat garlic and you swear that you didn't eat still when you speak smells say truth. Mr. Roozbeh is not able be fair and partial for Iran regime.  I see many unfair and untrue and lies about Iran in Wikipedia article. I travelled Iran three times.  Because our company has business in Tehran.  When I visit Tehran I saw how much lie was in Western media about Iran.  This is very bad.  We must forget prejudice.


 * I believe nobody can be fair about anything. If you feel an article is not neutral, please state so in the article's talk page and try to fix the bias. Read the NPOV tutorial for a start. I also don't see where I have written anything about travelling in Iran or how I am related to Western media. Roozbeh 02:23, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

personal insults and removal of dispute notices
I would be grateful if you could have a look at the following pages Talk:William C. Rogers III, Talk:Iran Air Flight 655, Talk:Iran, Talk:Religious minorities in Iran, Talk:Christians in Iran and the related articles and article histories. User:K1 is currently using in highly offensive personally abusive language all over the place to several users, deleted repeatedly a "dispute" notice on the Rogers article, despite clearly not having resolved the accuracy dispute.

I am still fairly new to Wikipedia and would benefit both from your advice and help in this matter Thank you very much Refdoc 11:28, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have raised the matter at Requests for comment/--K1 Refdoc 15:06, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Refdoc, I would personally appreciate it if you could raise it with another admin. Although I am interested in the Iran-related articles, I don't want to get dirty much. Last time I got involved in a heavy debate, someone thought I am pointed in the disputed and reported me. The time before that, I was abused. Specially in the case of K1, I have put a message on his talk page asking him to cool down. I'm really not strong enough to endure much more than that. Please try other admins first, but if it didn't get anywhere, fine, I'll sacrifice my sanity for a few days. Roozbeh 22:40, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I can understand this and I loath to get other people involved - particularly after the stuff on Talk:William C. Rogers III. I feel though  he behaves worse by the day and not only twoards me. I have asked two other admins I knew of to get involved. Both have so far not yet reacted. I will come back to you if I need to, only. Refdoc 08:56, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Now you got your headache, well and truely. Roozbeh I am sorry that you had to get involved. I also thank you for cleaning up the relevant pages. May you hand not hurt... ;-) But I think you can lay this matter now to rest. I guess if he is going to come back "unreformed" he will rapidly run foul of an arbitration request . So just forget about it! Thank you, again Refdoc 12:10, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

On protection of Religious minorities in Iran
Thank you - you beat me to it! Mark Richards 21:24, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, but well, it was you who beat me in protecting it. Roozbeh 21:26, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Roozbeh, your protection of that page could not possibly be random and unobjective, as you yourself had previously reverted one of my changes on that page to something that turned out to be correct (you had reverted back to a version with incorrect information) and furthermore, you were VERY WELL AWARE of the history of me and refdoc, on that page as well other pages. Additionally, it is obvious that your view with regard to Islamic Republic of Iran is tainted. At the time of your "random" protection, you were also aware that another admin was involved on that page. While it is perfectly your right to side with Refdoc on a personal level, it is NOT your right to side with him as a Wikipedia admin. What do you suggest I should do in this case? I can file a complaint about you, but I do not really want to do that. If you cannot offer a suggestion, I will either file a complaint about you or leave Wikipedia project forever if I find I have to fight lies and cheatings all the time(something that would fill some people with joy); because I am already finding this Wikipedia model extremely frustrating, and "impartial" admins like you make it even harder. Of course another possibility would be to forget about being a registered user and come back with other people with random IP's (like those pan-turks were doing) and "contribute" to our liking. --K1 22:21, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Please note that I didn't protect that page. I only put the protection message there. The page was protected by Mark Richards; see the Protection log yourself.
 * Please note that your version was protected, not Refdoc's, you can't object much to that.
 * Please note that for each person, there is a view of her or his that is tainted. Please read NPOV carefully. As for the Islamic Republic accusation, I only wish to tell you that I officially represent the Iranian government in two international organizations (the Unicode Consortium and one of ISO's subcommittees). I am critical of some of the government's doings of course, but who isn't? One part of the government always criticizes some other part in Iran, and the citizen actually have a right to criticize the government. I am just a citizen who doesn't like some of what's happening in his country.
 * I offer a suggestion: please consider reading the links I posted on your talk page, and consider contributing to Wikipedia according to the policies and practices. Most specially, stay cool. I believe you have made very valuable contributions to Wikipedia, and I specially learned a lot from you in the debates on Azerbaijan-related articles. Please don't leave, and don't start working as an anon. Be with us, work with us, but respect others and the policies. I really believe none of this would have happened if you had read the policies thoroughly.
 * Roozbeh 23:05, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

No sir, it is his version that is protected and locked. He got that in the Will Rogers page also and managed to get his version locked that protects "the good captain" (his exact words) from the speculation that the explosion of their family van was quite possibly a deliberate publicity stunt for monetary gains. As for your tinted view of the IRI, I am not a supporter of IRI, but when I see so much (so incredibly much) lies and deceptions from the so-called "authoritative and respectable" Western media about Iran (namely, Reuters, AP and AFP) I want to puke. I observe those lies on daily basis. Thousands of Iranians like me have been lending conscious or unconscious support to the IRI because of this lack of fairness and balance in the Western media and politics about the IRI and particularly since the Bush administration have taken over the control of USA  --K1 23:56, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I thought that Refdoc's version got protected. I recommend the dispute resolution process. Roozbeh 00:12, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

User:JBOC's abuse
I gather he has removed his nonsense from the blog. I looked today at the links and everything is wiped clean. I also look at his homepage and while google cache still has the slander, the actual page is now clean. Refdoc 13:21, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * There are still some stuff at the jboc.blogspot.com site, it seems. roozbeh 14:23, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)

You are right. It is still there. I tried to leave a comment on his blog, but it does not allow non-registered users to comment. Refdoc 14:57, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You might find it interesting to know that user 68.48.223.121 appears to be the anonymous version of JBOC. His list of contributions shows him mainy active in inserting vanity links for JBOC's blog. Refdoc 15:39, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Turkic peoples and Turkish states and empires
Have a look at the above two articles. They are the result of an edit/cut/paste feast last night. I have so far only removed doublets and stuff which can be dumped without discussion - the remainder is still POV +++ and remains under the dispute tag, but maybe it now less unwieldy and more accessible Refdoc 00:28, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think we should name the pages now for the featured article list and award each other some barn stars ;-) . This was a lot of hard work. Refdoc 16:22, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi
This article had been in some state of disrepair with two nearly identical versions of text ontop of each other in the first half of the text and the remainder being about the Mevlevi] order. I have tried to clear this up by shifting, and moving. I would like to know what you think about this. I would further like to move the text (with history of [[Whirling dervishes onto Mevlevi which is currently - quite inappropriately a disambiguation page, I think if I move without admin rights I might well make a mess out of it. could you please have a look at it ? Thanks Refdoc 20:41, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Could you come back to this sometime ? Refdoc 16:57, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I would appreciate if you appear with your suggestions on the Rumi's talk page as subpages (like a Talk:Jalal_al-Din_Muhammad_Rumi/Mevlevi for what should be in a new Mevlevi page). Clean things out, and then suggest the exact rearrangement you wish (which history goes where). I will then try to comment on it, we'll wait a little for other people's comments, and then I'll do the clean moves for you. Roozbeh 21:46, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

198.81.26.40 and variations
I think it is slowly getting time to get some help against this rather aphasic reverter. If s/he has soemthing to add rather than simply and silently revert to his/her own version it would be so much nicer. Refdoc 18:45, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Sure it is. Do you have any idea what we should do? Would you read the process of dispute resolution, follow it, and see where it will get? I'm not really hopeful, of course, but I'll try to be helpful. Damn this admin rights... roozbeh 09:39, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)


 * I decided to go and block the users. See your talk page. roozbeh 00:54, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)

Hey Roozbeh
Greetings from the United States and may peace extend from here to your beautiful country of Iran. I respect your country and the leading religion, Muslim, a lot, although Im a Christian and I heard somewhere that you are too. As a matter of a fact, I originated the airticle on Iran Air and Iran Air flight 655. Im a huge aviation fan, cant wait until the ban is lifted someday and I can buy an Iran Air Model airplane!!!!

That said, you accidentally, and partially, blocked me from a page because of some other user's misdoings towards Iranian pages. Could you please unblock me? I was about to cast my vote for on the First Bible Stories deletion page and could not.

Thanks and God bless you! May our countries sometime soon be friends again!!!

Sincerely yours, "Antonio Exploding Motorcycle Martin"


 * I have only banned IP addresses of a few anonymous users. If the problem persists, please tell me your IP address.
 * BTW, I'm not a Christian, I've never been either (although I enjoyed reading the bible as a story). I've been born a Muslim, but I'm not religious at all, and I have very few beliefs in things outside the scope of science. And even those are unintended.
 * roozbeh 00:30, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)

Encyclopedic information
Hi! Regarding the trial chapter on the article Zahra Kazemi, I hope we both understand the same thing by "encyclopedic information". I think you disagree with the idea that the trial was an exemplar farce. How do you think this trial should be characterised: A fair Iranian trail? An Iranian internal affair? --Vasile 22:08, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I guess you know about the NPOV thing. If you don't, go and read WP:NPOV. If you have read it, you'll agree that "farce" will be very impartial if you don't consider the judge's and the judiciary system's point of view. We should try to stick to facts, and I guess some people will not consider it a farce when they read the facts. I may agree with you, but Wikipedia doesn't judge. roozbeh 00:26, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/K1
The arbitration case of K1 has been accepted. Please place any evidence at Requests for arbitration/K1/Evidence. --mav 10:50, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Why did you block me?
Hi Roozbeh, how you doing? I'm being blocked by you and I don't even know you or the other person. I have no beefs with anybody. Maybe it was a mistake. Please unblock me, O.K? User:Marine 69-71

Roozbeh, I just checked and the IP you've been having a problem with is 198.81.26.80, so block him if you want. My IP is 198.81.26.6 so unblock me because we do not any problems between us or any of our articles. User:Marine 69-71

Hello Roozbeh
You recently. left a message for User:198.81.26.80 It is a Dynamically assigned IP address used by many Time Warner customers in Southern California. I do not know for how long this IP address has been assigned to my computer, but whenever I do an edit, first I will log on to my account Megafonico, and most of my edits are on the spanish wiki anyway. 24.24.204.225 11:50, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Your abuse
Mr. Roozbeh, I understand you are a sysop here in the English Wikipedia. Well, I hope you are not as abusive here as you are on the Persian Wikipedia where you have full authority. I have two questions for you. First, why did you COMPLETELY delete the discussion Mani and I had regarding your abusive practices in the Persian Wikipedia? Nobody used any bad language, personal attacks or anything personal, but we both had expressed opinions about some of your practices and frankly abuses, that you did not want anybody else to see. So you did not even revert the discussion, you completely wiped them out. Is this allowed behavior for Wikipedia sysops, or are you in addition to abusing us over there, abusing Wikipedia's stated policies? My second question is, in case your abusive behavior in the Persian Wikipedia continues, I will want to register a formal complaint about your behavior. Can you be so kind to tell me how I can proceed with that? --Amir.


 * For formal complaints, try your country's courts. For Wikipedia, browse the Community Portal. roozbeh 20:40, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * Dear Roozbeh, that was really uncalled for. Amir was talking to you in respectable manner and was trying to reason with you. Why the uncessary sarcasm? Anyway, I wish that you both start working toward solving the problems instead of exacerbating the situation.  "Can't we all just get along?!"  :-)  --Farhad.


 * He was not trying to reason with me. He was calling me names both here and on the Persian Wikipedia. Anyway, he was asking for where to file "formal complaints". Wikipedia doesn't have any mechanism for formal complaints, as far as I know. roozbeh 13:34, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)


 * I suggest that both you and Roozbeh take a deep breath and try to work this out by cool heads instead of taking rash steps by the spur of the moment. I agree with you that Roozbeh should not have deleted the pages, they should have remained in the history. I also agree that it is extremely wrong to alter what other people write in discussion areas.  The only exception to that, is if they use obscene langauge.  Other than that, nobody should dare to alter what people write in discussion areas, that would be completely uncivilized behavior.  On the other hand, Roozbeh has taken the initiative to start the Persian Wikipeida, which is a positive thing for everybody and he deserves credit for that.  It would indeed be strange if Roozbeh himself, of all people, would contribute to destruction of what he himself has created in the first place.  My suggestion to you all is to please try to be tolerant of other points of view, and live and let live.  --Farhad


 * Farhad, please get a username in the English Wikipedia so we can see who is talking. I don't feel easy with people who only write on the talk pages and don't contribute anything to the articles. As for obscene language, no, that it not Wikipedia's policy. Wikipedia's policy is against any name calling. See No personal attacks, speciall the end of the page: "f you are personally attacked, you may remove the attacks or may follow the dispute resolution process or both. In extreme cases, you can request the attacker be blocked." I believe that I am contributing to keeping the Persian Wikipedia empty of personal attacks, which will help attracting contributors who are productive instead of abusive. I'm tolerant of people's opinions, but I can't tolerate their abuse. roozbeh 13:34, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)

Jalal Al-e Ahmad or Al-e-Ahmad
Roozbeh, I don't have a strong opinion about "Al-e Ahmad", but in my view it is a bit more correct since we write it separated in Persian. Besides, I wanted to use the same spelling and style as is used in the Iranica encyclopedia (www.iranica.com). However I noticed that you changed other pages and generally it's a problem that no one can solve, I mean the way to write a Persian word in English. Mtdashti


 * The current practice in naming Iranian people in Wikipedia is using a dash when a family name is always used in full. So we have "Haddad-Adel" but "Hashemi Rafsanjani". roozbeh 22:38, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)

Lake Urmiah
Hi Roozbeh. I wanted to request an article on Lake Urmiah in Iran. Could you do it, or do you know anyone who could? Danny 23:54, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Hmm, lemme try... roozbeh 23:59, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Great. Thanks Danny 01:31, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

&#1608;&#1740;&#1603;&#1740;&#1662;&#1583;&#1740;&#1575; vs. &#1608;&#1740;&#1603;&#1740;&#8204;&#1662;&#1583;&#1740;&#1575;
Hi Roozbeh,

I can't speak Farsi/Persian, but I can read Arabic letters.

I was looking at the various Wikipedia logos and I made new ones for those that didn't have them and such, but when I came upon the Farsi/Persian one I was very confused.

Why does fa: use "&#1608;&#1740;&#1603;&#1740;&#8204;&#1662;&#1583;&#1740;&#1575;" as the name for Wikipedia instead of "&#1608;&#1740;&#1603;&#1740;&#1662;&#1583;&#1740;&#1575;" or even "&#1608;&#1740;&#1603;&#1740;&#1662;&#1740;&#1583;&#1740;&#1575;"? I don't quite understand why one wouldn't want the yeh and the peh to join, can you explain this to me?

thanks,

Node 18:30, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

(I also saw it used on fa:, otherwise I would've made a new logo for you without the non-joiner)


 * Ah, since the non-joiner is too common in Persian, it has become a tradition to insert it in places when it helps reading a name, if the name is a transcription from a foreign language (not already in the Arabic script). That is more frequently done if the parts are already parts of a word, so it may work somehow like an English dash. Same is done with Unicode, officially it's written &#1740;&#1608;&#1606;&#1740;&#8204;&#1705;&#1583; in Persian, helping the reader in both reading it and understand the parts. roozbeh 01:09, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

fa:&
Hello Roozbeh, could you please see to it that the image used in the article on Albert Einstein on the Persian Wikipedia is removed? It is a copyright violation; see our Image:Albert Einstein.jpg. You could replace it with the public domain image we have at Image:Albert Einstein by Yousuf Karsh.jpg. Thank you. Lupo 20:42, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Done. roozbeh 15:19, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)

Oh, and BTW, how about registering a Wikimedia Embassy for the Persian Wikipedia? Lupo 20:42, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hello Roozbeh, (Re: SAVAK "Sazman-e Etela'at wa Amniat-e Keshvar) As you are surely a native Persian speaker, I wonder why you switch the words Intelligence and Security. In Pearsian it does say clearly "Intelligence and Security" and not vice versa! ("Etela'at" being Arabic for Intelligence (Information) and "Amniat" Arabic for security)

Also: to readers unfamiliar with the subject, "security" does not automatically imply "security service" or secret police. A referrence to the latter would thus contribute to universal clarity and comprihension.

Yazeed Al-Madhi

Incomprehensible Revisions
Hello Roozbeh, (Re: SAVAK "Sazman-e Etela'at wa Amniat-e Keshvar) As you are surely a native Persian speaker, I wonder why you switch the words Intelligence and Security. In Pearsian it does say clearly "Intelligence and Security" and not vice versa! ("Etela'at" being Arabic for Intelligence (Information) and "Amniat" Arabic for security)

Also: to readers unfamiliar with the subject, "security" does not automatically imply "security service" or secret police. A referrence to the latter would thus contribute to universal clarity and comprihension.

Yazeed Al-Madhi

Revision comments inapropriately posted with article on Mohammed Reza Shah
Good day to Mr. Good Day! Subject:Article on Mohammed Reza Shah Dear Roozbeh, after having finally figured out how to post a comment to your "Talk" page, I apologize for making a revision and posting a comment to you THERE! In the general interest, I beleave the following revisions ought to hold: 1. Le Rosey was and clearly is not a Swiss "Finishing School" but rather a BOARDING SCHOOL, I should know, having attended 4 years! 2. Reza Shah held the significant post of PRIME MINISTER, a fact definitely worthwhile mentioning, as transition to elected monarch took place subsequent to this position and NOT the inferior psition as War Minister. 3. Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh was per definition a "nationalist" (Gep'he Melli) Prime Minister and under no circumstances "socialist". His political leanings, from our contemporary perspective, could surely be termed "social democrat" however. Greetings, Pantherarosa (aka Pink Panther)

meaning of name "Khomein"
Roozbeh, what does name of town "Khomein" mean? Two something? Dual something? -anonymous
 * It's just a city name. My Persian Encyclopedia doesn't mention anything either. roozbeh 08:34, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)

Roozbeh, what might your Persian Dictionary say about the name? -anonymous
 * One says a city with such and such properties. Others don't say anything. roozbeh 13:07, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

Re: Margin of error
I updated the visual at MarginoferrorViz.png. I noticed that you are an administrator. Can you update the main page to show the new graphic? All the best, Fadethree 01:53, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Done. By the way, that certain section is copied from Today's featured article/October 19, 2004. You won't need admin powers to fix that. roozbeh 02:08, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)

Töfäñ
Hi! I upload this article to Tatar wiki. This word means Middle Age Oriental artillery. This word was loan to Tatar from Farsi, but we don't know it's original form is Farsi. It could be (in latin characters) tufang or tofang or else.

Could You to participate in [meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation of the week| tranlstion fo the week] ?

Regarts, --Untifler 15:31, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Just left a note on the talk page on the Tatar Wikipedia. roozbeh 21:49, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Is any English or Persian article about this? --Untifler 23:21, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I have no clue. There is an article about "gun" in the English Wikipedia of course, which is what "togang" means in modern Persian.

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:


 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man (comment) (talk)  15:42, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Back in action
Hi, Roozbeh, I am back in action after being tied up for several months. Refdoc 22:17, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * "tied up"? What do you mean?
 * But anyway, welcome back. I haven't been active for the last month or something either, but I really believe the Turkic related articles are in a bad shape again. There is new information, which I tried to dig out from various books and stuff, but I've not started to write them down yet. There is also the issue of Persian Gulf, which will need a good section on the controversy and the naming issues, specially considering the recent National Geographic news. Or there is the case of Gulf News changing Thomas Friedman's article in New York Times, to say "Arabian Gulf",.
 * -roozbeh 14:31, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

Could not follow the links - not sure whether my ISP has an issue or what, but I waited endlessly with no result. Anyway I had a look at various "Turkic" articles and at the Gulf one - indeed a mess... See what I have done and tell me what you think - if it survives long enough. Refdoc 21:23, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I retried the links and they still work for me. Would you please retry? BTW, I don't know which Turkic related articles you edited, but your Persian Gulf contribution was edited out immediately, it seems. I'm so sad. roozbeh 16:38, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

Still no luck with the links, but I am currently on a 14k dialup.... Will take a few days until I am back on a reasonably speedy connection. "Turkic" - well the whole conglomerate we were busy with last summer: Azarbeijan, Turkic States, Turkic languages, South Azarbaijan, etc etc etc. Yes and teh Persian Gulf article is sad. I thought I had a durable agreement with Kaveh, when someone anonymous started to revert again. I do not like "Arabian Gulf" but it must be in there in the first line. There is no way around it. Refdoc 17:18, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

MJ Larijani
Thanks for the notes about Larijani's background as a cleric. Amazing! --Pouya 00:23, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

ps Wikipedia
Could you correct the Farsi welcome note on Pashto Wikipedia if necessary? Thanks! - Mustafaa 17:18, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Your Help is required, Roozbeh
Please help in keeping "Mani" from indiscriminately amending Articles. He obviously lacks knowledge and maturity to be left acting on his own. Out of ignorance and unreflected "PERSIANISM" he makes assertions totally out of touch with reality. Please look at the SAFAVIDS article and the "corrections" he introduces and reintroduces. It is a clear fact that the Safaviyeh Sufis and early Safavid rulers drew on the support of AZERIS and ANATOLIAN Turks to establish military forces. Initially Azeri (a Turkic idiom) was the official Language at the Safavid court, as numerous contemporary documents prove. WIKIPEDIA cannot afford erratic "editors" like Mani, who simply wastes serious peoples time and contributes to misinformation. --Pantherarosa 09:33, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I am sorry I don't have much time for following and correcting people's bad behaviour anymore. I agree that Mani1 has unfortunately (and very possibly unknowingly) abused Wikipedia and its contributors, and that his case is worth taking to a higher Wikiauthority. But I unfortunately don't have the time to attend to that, because I'm very busy in Real Life these days. I would very much appreciate it if you could check Dispute resolution and Arbitration policy and follow up his case there. Please leave me a link to the case then, so I can participate in it, if necessary. roozbeh 13:51, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

Farsi Symbol
When you reach Image:Iran coa.png through Farsi Symbol, the emblem is not shown. Is it a bug with wikipedia? --Pouya 16:57, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I guess so. Or maybe its a feature. roozbeh 16:59, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

Deletion in History of Iran, 27th December
Hi Roozbeh! Sorry for the unintended deletion there. I didn't even notice it. I think that the server had a hiccup that day or something. Thank you for being that attentive! :) &#8212; Daniel FR 22:17, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC) (Daniel FR (at home))

Copyrights?!
Hello Roozbeh.

Instead of taking out full articles and pictures altogether because of "copyright" issues (such as the page on Shiraz), please try to address your concern of copyright infringement by modifying the page using legal techniques such as paraphrasing.

Also, I'd like to note that as a former editor of IRIB, any material used from sources in Iran (e.g. website of Shiraz University), are not subject to copyright protection, even despite any self made claims. Especially if known facts are stated.

Iran OFFICIALLY does not recognize or abide by International Copyright laws or standards. Therefore, by the charter of the WTO, viceversa responsibilities do not hold as well. I dont need to argue that.

http://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/agrm7_e.htm

And besides, wikipedia is a body of facts, not opinions or intellectual propperty. And known facts obviously do not come under copyright protection. It's like somebody claiming copyrights for the statement "the world is not flat".


 * Please consider paraphrasing yourself, instead of copying whole articles. Why should I do that?!

Because you are entirely erasing everything I put in, whether copied or not.


 * Please note that while the text may not be protected by "International Copyright laws", they are protected by the national Iranian laws concerning copyright.

Ah, but Wikipedia is not an Iranian company or website, hence no Iranian laws apply to it.


 * Please note that Wikipedia being a body of facts is not an excuse for copyright infringements from your side.

Copying stuff from public domain is not copyright infringement. The University of Shiraz holds no proprietary interest in stating the fact that "Khaju e Kermani is buried in Shiraz" or that "The initial nucleus of Shiraz University was formed in 1946" (which you deleted).


 * If you insist on putting any material in Wikipedia without refering to the source and asking for permission where it is not explicitly given, please consider not editing Wikipedia at all. roozbeh 20:18, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

Look, instead of acting like a condescending prick, be a little bit considerate of what people say. I put a lot of time and zahmat in the shit I put up here, only because I love Iran and desperately wish to see its image improved. Copying stuff off of Iranian websites is not a big issue for me (1) because I am in effect advertising for Iran using those material, and (2) as I said, as far as Wikimedia Foundation (an American company) is concerned, nobody here (in the US) is legally bound to uphold and protect any copyrights from material used from Iranian domains. Especially if theyre public information.

I will leave editing (manipulating) Wikipedia to you so you can further expand your "My contributions" list. It might win you the fame and respect you so desperately seek.