User talk:Rose4trina

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Judson Dance Theatre
Hi, I've undone your good-faith addition to this article. In general, list of people in articles like this should be limited to people who are ''notable'. There are several ways to determine notability. One is if they have an article on Wikipedia, then they are considered to be notable. Another way is to use a citation from a reliable source to show notability. This should 'not be a listing, i.e. "So-and-so danced with so-and-so" but an indication that what they did was significant and, well, notable''. Thanks, and let me know if you have any questions. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyone with a redlink doesn't have a Wikipedia article. In some cases, they should have an article, but don't, so one can make that argument (but a source would be better). Also, even for those people who do have articles, are they notable in the context of Judson Dance Theatre?'  Al Carmines, for instance>  (I'd say it's debatable.)  So, please, if you plan to re-insert this list in some new version, take all this factors into consideration.  I know the list represents a lot of work on your part, but I think it needs more parsing if it's going to pass muster for the article. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Please listen to what I'm telling you, and do not revert me again. To be blunt about it: The list in the Judson Dance Theater article CANNOT be an all-inclusive list. We just do not do things that way.  The list there is meant to be merely representative and only of notable people.  I'm fully aware of the Judson 50th Anniversary events, and I'm glad you're doing a project to name everyone who performed, but that list cannot be in the main article. What I've done is to move your list to a new article List of Judson Dance Theater performers, and I have put a link to that list article in the main article.  You can make the list article as comprehensive as you want, and people will go there because of the pointer in the main article.  Please do not insert the all-inclusive list into the main article again. If you do, I will be forced to take the issue to an admin, and you may be blocked from further editing. Now, as to your questions on my talk page:  I suggest that you keep the list alphabetical, with headers for each letter, however, it should be alphabetical by last name, not by first name.  Once you have fixed that, I'll be glad to help out with formatting the list, and if you upload images, I'm quite good at putting them into articles (it's a lot of what I do here). A warning about uploading, though: any free images -- images that you created from scratch or control the copyright for or are in the public domain - should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org).  If a image is not yours, if someone else owns the copyright, or is otherwise "non-free", you can only upload it here to Wikipedia, but there is a VERY limited set of circumstances under which you can do so. You need to read this policy page: WP:NFCC, which sets down our rules.  If you upload a picture which is non-free and does not fulfill those requirements, you may get it into the article briefly, but, eventually, it will inevitably be found out and deleted, and your hard work will have been for nothing. As you can see, although Wikipedia is "the encyclopedia anyone can edit", it is not an encyclopedia without very well-defined rules about how one can edit and in what manner.  These can be difficult to understand at times, so asking for help is no sin -- we all started out as "newbies" at one time or another.  Please contact me if you have more questions.  (You can just reply here, I have your talk page on my watch list.)  Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:52, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * One last thing: if you're interested in creating a "people's portal" in regard to Judson's 50th, Wikipedia is not the place to do it. We are not Facebook or My Space.  You would be better off creating your people's portal there.  Anything that goes into a Wikipedia article must, in theory, be properly sourced and supported by a citation. Of course, a lot of stuff gets in without that, but it can be removed at any time if it's not sourced.  We also do not allow people's personal opinions in our articles (that would violate our neutral point of view policy), and we do not allow people to put in their personal recollections unless they have been published in a reliable source, because that would violate our policy on original research. Given these constraints, perhaps you can see why I say trying to make any Wikipedia article (even the new List of Judson Dance Theater performers I created for you) into a "people's portal" just will not fly here.  We can certainly expand the Judson Dance Theater article with additional information, as long as it is suitably sourced, and that would certainly be appropriate in this 50th Anniversary year, but it would be a shame to have it become a matter of dispute and contention if our editing policies are ignored.  Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

After my comments above, you may not be interested in anything to do with List of Judson Dance Theater performers, but I thought I'd let you know of the work I've done on it:


 * All "redlinks" (Wikilinks to non-existant articles) have been removed, except for a few people I thought were notable and should have articles. If you also think that some of these names are notable enough that they should have an article here, please feel free to link them.  That kind of redlink is helpful in that it reminds editors that there is an article to be created.


 * All Wikilinks to articles about a person who is apparently not the person listed have been removed - for instance Jerry Howard is Curley of the Three Stooges, obviously not the person on your list. Contrarily, I've added links for a few people who got overlooked, such as Maria Irene Fornes.


 * Names have been alphabetized by last name, arranged in groups by letter, and columnized. Obvious duplications have been deleted or combined in to one line with amendations. i.e. "Diana or Diane Cernovich" instead of "Diana Cernovich" and "Diane Cernovich"


 * One major problem is that the entire list is unsourced. Can you tell me what the source is for all these names?  Programs of the events?  If so, where library or archive are they located in?  Having a source, even a general overall one, will help keep the list article from being deleted.

Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)