User talk:Rosemary E Lunn

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Hello, Rosemary E Lunn, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially what you did for Simon Mitchell. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! RexxS (talk) 04:42, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
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August 2013
Please do not write or add to an article about yourself. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. —S MALL JIM   14:35, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I work in the recreational and technical scuba diving industry.

Notable achievements - Scuba relayed the English Channel - Co-founded EUROTEK and TEKDiveUSA. Two international advanced and technical diving conferences

I do not understand why my posting is being deleted and yet Leigh Bishop, Simon Mitchell, Steve Lewis and Neal Pollocks listings prevail. What is the difference? We all work together in the same industry?

Rosemary E Lunn (talk) 14:45, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I apologise for any annoyance caused by the CSD tagging, but as above, do not create an article about yourself. If you are notable, then someone one day will come along and write an article about you. Check if you meet the general notability guideline and more specifically, the notability guideline for people. Other stuff exists. Some of them articles are notable, some I question and have simply just slipped past the eyes of the new page patrollers. Insulam Simia (talk) 15:17, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I patrolled the Neal Pollock article earlier today and felt that it met the notability guidelines, which your article did not, though I did have to make changes to it to bring it up to standard. We will certainly be looking at those other articles now that you have drawn our attention to them. Deb (talk) 16:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Rosemary E Lunn (talk) Can the following entry for Neal W Pollock now be edited and have all the notices removed off It. I have added a lot of his papers to this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_W._Pollock

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Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jill Heinerth


Hello Rosemary E Lunn. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "Jill Heinerth".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing.  T K K ! bark with me! 16:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

April 2015
Hello, I'm RexxS. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. ''Please don't attempt to use Wikipedia for promotional purposes. If Lamar or XRay mag are notable, create an article on them citing independant sources. Simply adding external links or unsourced text to our articles doesn't improve the encyclopedia.'' RexxS (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I am not attempting to use Wikipedia for promotional purposes. I am merely cleaning up entries to do with advanced and technical diving.

The entry for Jarrod Jablonski is not accurate. It should be spelt EUROTEK, not any other variation. The EUROTEK website has been rebuilt, hence I have directed the reader to previous speakers page.

Lamar Hires at Dive Rite developed the sidemount harness. I note that you have not deleted Brett Hemphill's name for instance.

It is also wholly relevant including a link to Lamar Hires biog on the Dive Rite website. He has been instrumental in the research and development of sidemount rigs for over three decades.

The link to XRay Magazine's technical diving section is a relevant resource for divers wanting to know more about this aspect of diving. I note that you have not deleted any link to diving centres that offer sidemount diving.

I look forward to my edits being reinstated forthwith.


 * I've sorted out the problems you were having on Jarrod Jablonski by providing a link to the Internet Archive's archived version of the page http://www.eurotek.uk.com/jarradjablonski.htm which has now gone 404. The name of a reference doesn't matter because it's never seen, but for neatness and to save you worrying about it, I've used EuroTek throughout, which is the case used by the organisation itself on its website. If you're having difficulties with references, etc. please feel free to drop me a line on my talk page.
 * If you're the Rosemary E Lunn of The Underwater Marketing Company], then please take some time to read our conflict of interest policy and take care in how you approach editing Wikipedia. The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use preclude certain activities, particularly "These Terms of Use prohibit engaging in deceptive activities, including misrepresentation of affiliation, impersonation, and fraud. As part of these obligations, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation." None of that stops you from editing here as a paid activity, but we need to aware of that so that your contributions can be seen in the correct light. If you are simply using your knowledge and expertise in scuba diving to improve articles that interest you, then you are sincerely welcome to do so. In either case, I'd be more than happy to give you guidance on editing Wikipedia, should you need it. Regards --RexxS (talk) 18:59, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * (after edit conflict). You can look forward all you like, but your edits won't be re-instated because they are (1) unduly promotional, and (2) unsourced. The website for EuroTek 08 can viewed at http://web.archive.org/web/20090906041326/http://www.eurotek.uk.com/jarradjablonski.htm where you'll see the spelling is "EuroTek", despite what you may think it should be. We use the sources to determine our content, not your say-so. The "previous speakers" page is worthless to support the text in our article, so I have used the archived page of the original, which obvious allows anyone to verify the accuracy of the content in our article. I hope you can understand the principle of WP:Verify, which is pivotal to adding content to Wikipedia. Please read that page and save us all from future misunderstandings.
 * Why is it so important to state "Lamar Hires and Dive Rite produced the first commercial sidemount diving system ...", rather than "Dive Rite produced the first commercial sidemount diving system ..."? We don't say "Brett Hemphill and Karst Underwater Research designed the Armadillo Side-Mount Harness", so why do you need to have both name and company for Lamar? Promotion.
 * Please read our policy on external links at WP:EL - particularly the prohibition on linking to blog sites such as Lamar's. Understanding that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a directory of useful links will help you avoid further faux pas in future.
 * Similarly, we do not compile lists of links to magazines, no matter how useful you may find them - see WP:What Wikipedia is not, in particular, "Wikipedia is not a repository of links" and "Wikipedia is not a directory"
 * After reading our policy on external links, if you feel any of the external links in Sidemount or Technical diving  don't meet our policies, then by all means, go ahead and delete them. You should be prepared to defend your actions on the articles' talk pages, of course, but I'll cheerfully support any attempts to cull link-spam out of our articles.
 * And let me be clear, in case you misunderstand, I have no association with any of the individuals or companies mentioned anywhere in the articles we've discussed. I'm comfortably retired and have no financial interest in any scuba-related activity. I am however a National Instructor and have been since before you started scuba diving. I'll be happy to help you with improving scuba articles, but you need to get an understanding of how Wikipedia works before making any further suggestions on what is relevant here. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 19:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * After reading our policy on external links, if you feel any of the external links in Sidemount or Technical diving  don't meet our policies, then by all means, go ahead and delete them. You should be prepared to defend your actions on the articles' talk pages, of course, but I'll cheerfully support any attempts to cull link-spam out of our articles.
 * And let me be clear, in case you misunderstand, I have no association with any of the individuals or companies mentioned anywhere in the articles we've discussed. I'm comfortably retired and have no financial interest in any scuba-related activity. I am however a National Instructor and have been since before you started scuba diving. I'll be happy to help you with improving scuba articles, but you need to get an understanding of how Wikipedia works before making any further suggestions on what is relevant here. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 19:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Lamar Hires
Rosemary, I see you've started creating an article on Lamar Hires, based on the article for Neal W. Pollock. That's fine, although Neil Pollock doesn't seem particularly notable.

However, leaving it in article space as it is will inevitably lead to its deletion, so I've moved it (temporarily) into your user space at User:Rosemary E Lunn/Lamar Hires, where you can work on it without anyone interfering with your efforts. When you think it's ready, I happily help you move it back to article space.

There is guidance on notability at WP:Notability and, in brief, subjects ought to have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". That's explained in more detail on that page. I'm certain that Lamar is notable - the source http://eurotek.uk.com/speakers/lamar-hires-eurotek-speaker.php is a good, independent source and you should use it as a reference to help establish notability. A Google search gives quite a few results for "Lamar Hires", so you should read through a number of them to see what text can be supported by sources. Try not to rely too heavily on http://www.diverite.com/about/team/lamarhires/ because that is a self-published source and doesn't help to establish notability, and isn't usable for anything more than routine claims. By that I mean that it's good for things like "Lamar started diving in 1979", but I would suggest you get an independent source for something like "he used this knowledge and experience to write the first sidemount specialty program for cave divers for the NSS-CDS". I hope you can see the difference?

Let me know if you need any help on anything in particular. If you need help on finding sources, drop a note to who is a good wiki-friend of mine and probably the world's top expert on sources for scuba diving (see Rubicon Foundation). Cheers --RexxS (talk) 21:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)