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Four Continents Speed Skating Championships
What sources are we actually missing here ? Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 19:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * , citations to sources outside the ISU, which are necessary to establish notability. The most likely example to find would be newspaper coverage of the event, although books or peer-reviewed articles about the sport could theoretically include coverage as well. signed,Rosguill talk 13:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Here are the medalvinner-list for all editions so far at isu.org
 * And here are some sources from the single events:
 * 2019/2020-season edition in Milwaukee, USA
 * From ISU: Eventpage at isu.org and resultspage at isu.org and from resultspage at live.isuresults.eu
 * Other resultspages from: www.speedskatingnews.info, speedskatingresults.com and at www.the-sports.org for women and men
 * 2020/2021-season edition in Calgary, Canada (cancelled: Covid)
 * From ISU: Eventpage at isu.org and from resultspage at live.isuresults.eu
 * 2021/2022-season edition in Calgary, Canada
 * From ISU: Eventpage at isu.org and resultspage at isu.org and from resultspage at live.isuresults.eu
 * Other resultspages from: www.speedskatingnews.info, speedskatingresults.com and at www.the-sports.org for women and men
 * 2022/2023-season edition in Quebec, Canada
 * From ISU: Eventpage at isu.org and resultspage at isu.org and from resultspage at live.isuresults.eu
 * Other resultspages from: www.speedskatingnews.info, speedskatingresults.com and at www.the-sports.org for women and men
 * 2023/2024-season edition in Salt Lake City, USA
 * From ISU: Eventpage at isu.org and resultspage at isu.org and from resultspage at live.isuresults.eu
 * Other resultspages from: www.speedskatingnews.info, speedskatingresults.com and at www.the-sports.org the results are missing
 * 2024/2025-season edition in Hachinohe City, Japan
 * From ISU: Eventpage at isu.org
 * 2025/2026-season edition in Salt Lake City, USA
 * From ISU: Eventpage at isu.org
 * 2026/2027-season edition in Beijing, China
 * From ISU: Eventpage at isu.org


 * And here are some news-articles from Speedskating.ca/Speed Skating Canada: Search Results: "Four continents" - 36 Results Found
 * Would this be enough ? Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 19:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No, these are databases and primary sources, which aren't the kind of sources that our notability guidelines specify. What we need is WP:SECONDARY text articles, published by outlets unaffiliated with ISU, ideally with several paragraphs of text describing in detail the Four Continents Championship and analyzing it. E.g., provides such coverage of the 2023 World Athletics Championships – Men's 800 metres signed,Rosguill talk 20:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Noahide redirect deletion
Hi, thanks for stepping in on the Noahide redirect. I don't understand what is meant by "it is a known scam that paid editors will claim affiliation with editors in a deletion discussion and extort money to "prevent the deletion" (which is not something within their power to do)." I have not received any emails from anyone. I suppose the other user who was pushing the Noahide thing as "Anabaptist" felt hurt when his edits were rejected. It seems there is a little group of "Noahide" people, relatively new (last decade or so?), who feel that they belong within the Anabaptist umbrella. That's okay if they feel that way, but until they become large enough to make at minimum a tiny ripple in a movement that includes literally a couple of million people, I have a hard time giving them much room for articles relating to Anabaptism. Mikeatnip (talk) 00:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * My reading was that the other editor in the discussion was targeted by the scammers, who decided to claim to be you, hence the ping. signed,Rosguill talk 00:37, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, if Wikipedia admins want to verify whether it was me, they can contact me privately and ask me whatever they want. I suppose for the recipient of the scams, it may add insult to injury if he feels that I tried to extort him, beyond just get the deletion. Sad world we live in, when people try to stir up trouble just for a few dollars. Mikeatnip (talk) 01:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1217442386
Hello, what exactly was the reason to suppress the redirect here? 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * , it seemed to be unnecessary, did I miss something useful about it? signed,Rosguill talk 14:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I just figured because it was linked from the discussion it would have done no harm. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

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Maphumor
User talk:Maphumor was reported to ANI “ @Maphumor has been culprit for removing various important things from the page and his past edits has also been criticized of the same. Also many new things have been removed in this page. Please revert the changes made by @maphumor and restore the page. Rkvaishnavp (talk) 7:55 am, Today (UTC+1)” I don’t know them but as you alerted them for the ipa area you may. Their talk page is discouraging. Doug Weller talk 12:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't recall what prompted me to place that notification originally. It does look like the removal of the BJP candidate from the page is unjustified, and other editors have complained on the talk page already. I'm disinclined to respond to the AN post because of the various issues with the filing (wrong board, no notification, new account/likely sock) so I've just dropped in on the article talk page and pinged Maphumor to explain their edits. signed,Rosguill talk 13:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for this. Timewasting nuisances are driving me nuts right now. Doug Weller  talk 13:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , Maphumor continued to ignore requests to justify their edits at the Tamil Nadu election page while also avoiding further edits to that page, so I stepped in and reverted the contested edit. This nominally makes me involved, since policy is hazy on how involvement relates to edits made on behalf of editors who are below the level of protection needed to edit a page who have made semi-formal requests, but I expect that if Maphumor attempts to edit war on that page it will clearly be the time for a block. signed,Rosguill talk 13:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. I'll try to keep on top of this. Doug Weller  talk 13:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Needs cleanup
@Rosguill, please look at Ahir clans, Gwalavanshi and Dhadhor. Please remove unreliable raj era sourced information. 2409:4085:8D10:961F:0:0:8889:DB13 (talk) 21:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Cookiemonster1618
Hello Rosguill, User:Cookiemonster1618 continues to make similar personal attacks that led to a topic ban a few months ago despite previous warning. see his latest previous warnings   and ANI discussion  Magherbin (talk) 18:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I havent made any attacks I called you up to a discussion on Harari people but you never addressed my arguments.  Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * How have I made personal attacks against you? I explained in the talk page for Harari people on why I reverted your edits and did not use any personal attacks in the discussion in fact I was calm and explained why I reverted your edit with reasoning. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you explain how I made personal attacks against you? At the talk page my language in the discussion box didn't include any personal attacks? Talk:Harari people Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * So trying to removing the disambiguation link of the Habesha peoples page on the main Harari people page is not very honest of you could be construed as a mild personal attack; the edit doesn't need to be personalized as "not very honest of you" and could instead be referred to as "misleading" or "incorrect" without assigning blame. That having been said, I don't think this rises to the level of infraction that would motivate me to impose a sanction on the basis of a report at my talk page, unless it can be demonstrated that this is a consistent pattern despite prior warnings. The prior ANI discussion seems to mostly deal with questions of sourcing, not civility, and doesn't seem to establish a precedent of prior warning. signed,Rosguill talk 19:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank You @Rosguill if that was a personal attack against @Magherbin than I take responsibility for that. That was not my intention though, my intention was to have a discussion with him/her on why they kept removing the Habesha peoples disambiguation link. This problem never occurred before because the Argobba people and Siltʼe people pages also had that disambiguation link. My intention was simply to argue on why the disambiguation link to that page should not be removed. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Btw there have been no warnings on my page from that user or any users regarding my recent edits after February 2024. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That discussion was closed because I was blocked for 2 months also in the discussion I still don't see any personal attacks that were used against you by me. I simply explained in a civil discussion on the talk page why I reverted your edit. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:AN/I
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Aka4729_impersonating_administrator_and_removing_AfD_template_on_heavily_socked_article. Thank you. ——Serial Number 54129 13:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Service Corps of Retired Executives
Hello Rosguill, I would like to invite you to contribute to the discussion on Draft talk:Service Corps of Retired Executives Your learned input would be greatly appreciated. BuffaloBob (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

AXN Movies (Portugal)
Hi @Rosguill I saw you added notability tag to the page AXN Movies (Portugal), saying that that page "needs sources other than AXN and PR"- I would like to ask: What does PR mean? I am a Wikipedia user for only two months, what can I do for keep that page intact? Filippo.g204 (talk) Filippo.g204 (talk) 09:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * , PR refers to public relations and/or press release; in particular I think I was thinking about this source, which has a collective byline in addition to lacking any substantive analysis of the subject beyond basic description. These sorts of sources are essentially just promotional text written by the subject and are not reliable. signed,Rosguill talk 12:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Logoic plane deletion
Hi, I'm wondering why Logoic plane was deleted. Jay 💬 05:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * , I read the discussion as nom in favor of deletion, 1 clear !vote for deletion, and took your comment as no objection to deletion, as a circular redirect in a collapsed navigation template is typically a poor justification for a redirect. If I misinterpreted your comment and you feel strongly about the discussion I can restore and relist. signed,Rosguill talk 12:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. No strong feelings about this. I was only countering the nomination statement regarding no mention at target. Jay  💬 15:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

-)
Hey Rosguill, could you reopen and/or reclose Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 8 possibly? (I meant to respond to Jeske there.) There was really no reason for -/ and -\ to target different targets, and Emoticon counter to the other consensuses to point these generally at the list of emoticons, I have no idea why this would be different. The !keep votes seem to be more in line with "don't delete" and not people actually supporting the status quo. Let me know your thoughts on this, cheers, Utopes (talk / cont) 07:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In hindsight I don't really care too much, the biggest thing I was hoping for was "consensus that one article is preferable" and that didn't come about, which I feel is a pretty agreeable stance and it'd be nice to have that reflected officially, perhaps. (I know it was relisted twice with no other comments, but if reopened I'd at least like to alert Jeske to the difference in targets and see whether they'd hold their stance after the fact). Utopes (talk / cont) 07:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I read this a few times and could not understand. Perhaps it is the that is throwing me off. What is the concern with the close? Did you prefer targeting both to Emoticon?  Jay  💬 08:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The outcome of "emoticon status quo" runs counter to the other similar closes that retargeted to the general list. As a disclaimer, I don't personally have a preference one way or another between the two targets, but I was surprised to see some emoticons go one way and others go another with little rationale.
 * I was hoping to use the basis of these results as a precedent for retargeting a major list of redirects from emoticons. At the time I wasn't completely sure whether certain types of emoticons have a stronger affinity towards aiming at Emoticon vs aiming at List of emoticons, which is why I was hoping to figure that out through these discussions (i.e., maybe east-asian style have better coverage at page A, whereas smileys are more preferable at page B, was my original thought when I saw the discrepancies in targets.) A lot ended up closing towards List of emoticons, but the split outcome was not the most satisfactory ending for the situation. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ignore my comment. I was looking at the wrong RfD - WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 8. I agree that the RfD you mentioned can be relisted unless Rosguill has discounted Lunamann's revote from Keep to Retarget. Jay  💬 08:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , you have my permission to reopen the discussion--I would do it myself but I'm hurrying out the door and expect to be very busy the next few days. signed,Rosguill talk 13:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Youknowwhoistheman
Hi Rosguill. Could you please review this request a bit thoroughly? They appear to be a professional spammer - here they spammed an independently published book. I think they are not honest and would likely abuse the tools. 89.204.223.237 (talk) 12:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

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Enforcement of community ANI-based ban at ITN
Hello, I'm coming back into Wikpiedia after a long break to cool down from life in general and Wikipedia to a degree. As I was on my way out of the door I gained an indefinite ban at ITN, enforced by you per the logs. So as a reminder to me, what is required for me to appeal against this, is it simply a thread at ANI or some other request? Thanks in advance. The Rambling Man (Been a while, I know......) 22:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * , community bans should be appealed at WP:AN by opening a thread. I'd maybe recommend taking a few months of on-wiki editing before rushing to appeal though, I would expect that to greatly increase chances of succeeding. signed,Rosguill talk 03:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes of course. Thanks for your response. The Rambling Man (Been a while, I know......) 11:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Rosguill, hope you're doing well. I was thinking about make a section about this topic. Where do you think it will be most appropriate, WP:AN or WP:ANI? I feel like the latter doesn't pay much attention to these kind of issues, but I'm not sure. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Presuming that your intent is to investigate the other suspected sockpuppets/collaborators, I think ANI is most appropriate. signed,Rosguill talk 19:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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TheSagar
A redirect 2024–25 SA20 that User:Thesagar75 had created twice, and whom you had blocked in Jan, has been recreated by User:Sagar Singh 9, account created in March. Jay 💬 20:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Blocked as obvious sock, noting that they'd already been pinged for various disruptive edits as well. signed,Rosguill talk 15:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Shravan Tiwari
Hi Rosguill. Shravan Tiwari has been moved back to the mainspace. I noticed in the page history that you draftified it in January citing UPE/block evasion concerns; so, I'm just letting you know as a couresy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * , this ended up being quite the rabbit hole, see Sockpuppet investigations/Maheshworld. signed,Rosguill talk 15:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking into this. I didn't realize things were that messy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Private evidence blocks
Hi, per WP:BLOCKEVIDENCE, related to Special:Diff/1206604402 and Special:Diff/1223193298, please make sure you are reporting UPE and other private evidence blocks so that they can actually be reviewed. Primefac (talk) 16:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In fact, administrators who are not Checkusers or Oversighters should not make private evidence blocks at all, per Blocking policy, which states
 * Please send cases like this to either a CU, OS, or to ArbCom. I for one am more than happy to take 'private evidence' referrals from admins in my functionary capacity. firefly  ( t · c ) 17:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ,, noted! I hadn't been aware of that clause. I will collect the relevant emails and send them along. signed,Rosguill talk 17:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Might be a good idea to include a reminder in the next Admin Newsletter. S0091 (talk) 17:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's been in there before. Any sort of reminder might make more sense when the new paid editing queue launches (something I hope Rosguill gives serious thought about applying for). Barkeep49 (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it when it's time, although my first impulse regarding this (and the encouragement to pursue CU status in the section above) is that for as long as actual new page patrolling makes up a significant portion of my editing, taking on these additional roles might make me more judge-jury-and-executioner than is really appropriate (at least from the vantage point of anyone on the receiving end). signed,Rosguill talk 18:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe that the only relevant materials I have actually acted on are related to the QuadriSayedSahab case; I have not reviewed anything related to the second diff concerning Annuarif although I believe I did receive an email this morning (I have been sick recently and have thus been applying less than my usual diligence in responding to requests)., please forward relevant further correspondence to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org and/or firefly per their volunteering here. signed,Rosguill talk 18:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's done. Thanks firefly. I did often wonder if it's functionaries I should be contacting but that wasn't the practice that I learned when I was learning, and missed that RFC as well. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For the record, I don't believe any of my previous emails included private evidence. They numbered two or three and were sent for a more frank/comfortable communication and/or for communicating sock tells that I had shared more cryptically onwiki. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The QuadriSayedSahab case involved private evidence sent to me by a different editor. Your description of our past off-wiki communication is accurate to my recollection: it's mostly been about calling out patterns of editing between accounts that would amount to spilling the beans if repeated on-wiki but which did not include anything actually private in nature. signed,Rosguill talk 18:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Moroccanoil
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Moroccanoil. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Kapitan110295 (talk) 04:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I haven't done a deletion review before, I hope I'm doing this properly :) Kapitan110295 (talk) 04:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , as the people who have responded to the discussion have already pointed out, DRV is appropriate if there was an issue with the prior deletion discussion/closure itself. In this case, the situation is that you are asserting that there is now a notable topic by this name, unrelated to the discussion at RfD 3 years ago, so you would have been better off skipping DRV and just drafting a new article since there’s nothing for DRV to evaluate. You can still do that by withdrawing the current discussion (if you’re not sure how to do that, just leave a comment saying that you want to withdraw and someone will do the rest) and then proceeding to start working on the article. signed,Rosguill talk 13:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Çankaya Mansion
Is there anyway we can protect this article per WP:GS/AA enforcement action? An IP has been removing referenced information since 3 May. --Kansas Bear (talk) 12:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * , yes, Armenian Genocide-related material is plainly within scope of those restrictions. ✅ and logged at WP:AELOG. signed,Rosguill talk 14:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Stay safe, Rosguill. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Got Milked
Hi. Following that user's block from the specified 2 articles, could I ask you to glean through his other ones in the related subject? He has a history of warnings. From what I've seen, his style is inflammatory, and his contributions are large chunks of barely-relevant, poorly sourced and badly written text. AddMore-III (talk) 23:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * There appears to be a consistent pattern of COATRACK editing, yes, although now that the active disruption has been dealt with, nothing that rises to the level that would make it appropriate for me to deliver a sanction as a bolt out of the blue. If you think that the quality of their edits is of such a consistently poor quality that it has become disruptive in general, you can bring a case to WP:AE, but I doubt such a request will be successful unless/until there are examples of 6+ articles where this has happened or new examples of disruptive editing since the p-block. signed,Rosguill talk 01:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Sent you a mail again
Really hoping you have the time right now. Only the private evidence is private. So, we can talk about the rest of it on wiki. Have you considered becoming a CU? If anyone needs it, that's you. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Get well soon, Rosguill. Sorry to have put you in the position. I default to you cos of the NPP connection. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * All good, it was an honest mistake on both our parts and I don't think anyone's planning on throwing the book at us yet (just y'know, opening the book and pointing to a page). signed,Rosguill talk 18:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Usedtobecool I was thinking the same for a while now that Rosguill would become a good CU. Since SPI has a backlog now and needs a few helping hands, I think this will be the right time to apply if they feel it is interesting. Regards! Maliner (talk) 17:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Peranakans
You don't know about the whole Perakans! As a Malaysian, I still know everything about Peranakan ,you don't know how many ethnicities Peranakan are out there, do you know the difference between Peranakan Chinese Baba Nyonya, Baba Yaya , Kiau Seng ? 2405:3800:84B:1E32:91A6:951B:7279:2F04 (talk) 17:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * As a Wikipedian, you need to provide reliable sources to back your claims. Also, on English Wikipedia, you need to write in comprehensible English, which your article-space contributions have thus-far fallen short of. signed,Rosguill talk 17:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd draw your attention to the hatnote already at Peranakan Chinese: This article is about Peranakans with Chinese ancestry. For Peranakans with Indian ancestry, see Chitty. For Peranakans with Eurasian ancestry, see Kristang. For Peranakan Muslims of Indian, Malay and Arab descent, see Jawi Peranakan. signed,Rosguill talk 17:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Request to receive response for my claims in the discussion although I am not "qualified"
hey, did you had a chance to read the discussion before looking it?

I would appreciate if I could get an answer to my questions regarding the request for enforcement in that topic, specifically regarding the policy I have quoted regarding re-instating of content in dispute.

I hope you cold see I am coming with good fait and instead of fighting we could have a fruitful conversation...

"Many users believe that unregistered users' sole contributions to Wikipedia are to cause disruption to articles and that they have fewer rights as editors compared with registered users. Studies in 2004 and 2007 found that although most vandalism (80%) is generated by IP editors, over 80% of edits by unregistered users were not vandalism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Welcome_unregistered_editing

Hope that you will address my concern regarding the policy instead of choosing the easy route of calling me disruptive and dismiss my request for rules to be enforced equally :) 109.64.78.25 (talk) 18:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * IPs are not allowed to edit these topics per WP:ARBCOM's rulings, which are endorsed by the community. This is a necessary measure to address sockpuppetry and persistent bad faith editing in the topic area. End of discussion. Persistent attempts to challenge this as an IP is itself a violation of the ruling, and will result in a loss of editing privileges if continued. signed,Rosguill talk 18:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

TPA removal and rev/del request
Hi Rosguill, see the unblock request at User talk:Make Way For The King. I have already sent an OS request for their edit summaries at Kolkata Knight Riders. Pinging @K6ka who blocked them for their awareness. S0091 (talk) 19:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Looks like K6ka already (correctly) removed TPA. I've gone ahead and performed the revdel. signed,Rosguill talk 20:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rosguill. S0091 (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

redirect of the page: String Quartet No. 4 (Ichmouratov)
Dear Rosguill, I just noticed that you redirected the page about String Quartet No. 4, Op. 35. I realize that I probably didn't address the notability concerns properly and later forgot about it. Now, the page is deleted, and I believe this work by this Canadian composer is important and notable for Wikipedia readers, as it has been performed on multiple occasions in several countries, including Europe, Canada, and Australia. I would like to ask if you could restore the deleted page and give me a chance to improve it and prove its notability with reliable sources. Thank you, Patrick0506 (talk) 13:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Nothing has been deleted, you should be able to access everything in the page's history, here's a link for convenience to the last revision before redirection . I would have merged information to the article about Ichmouratov himself, except that said article was comprehensive enough that it wasn't clear if it would be appropriate. My concerns regarding the No. 4 article is that the cited sources appeared to praise the album that the No.4 appears on, but dedicate virtually no attention to the No.4 piece itself. signed,Rosguill talk 14:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand. Thank you for your input, it's appreciated. I will work on making this page more informative about the composition itself. Patrick0506 (talk) 18:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have one more question. I want to ensure I'm following Wikipedia's rules correctly. After adding more information, if I understood correctly, I cannot remove the "Notability" tag myself since, as the creator of the page, I have a conflict of interest. Should I approach you for this task? Sorry for asking so many questions, this is my first time dealing with this issue, and I want to do everything according to the rules. Thank you in advance for your advice.Patrick0506 (talk) 18:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's a gray area to be honest as long as you don't have an actual WP:COI with the subject itself (i.e. while it's natural for you to be somewhat biased towards the state of the article given that you started it, unless you have an actual external relationship with Ichmouratov or this work it's not a full-blown COI). In this case, since we've already discussed it here and I'm confident you're approaching this in the right spirit, I wouldn't object to you removing it yourself (and if I still think there are serious notability issues even then, I would just progress to opening an WP:AfD so that the community can weigh in and come to a consensus. signed,Rosguill talk 19:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Thank you for the quick response. I will do my best to get it right. All the best. Patrick0506 (talk) 19:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear Rosguill, I just wanted to keep you updated in case you would like to check. I have worked on the page over the last few days, adding more information about this composition, including music samples, external audio, and image files. Thank you again for your advice and contributions. it's much appreciated. I feel that I learn something, and I am grateful.
 * Best regards, Patrick0506 (talk) 15:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)