User talk:Rotideypoc41352/Archive 6

Closure of move request
In regard to your closure of Template talk:Main talk other, you say you found it difficult to determine consensus? There were two supporters, myself and the proposer, and only one "weak oppose". If that's not consensus on Wikipedia to move, then what is? Please reopen and and let another editor close it, or reclose it as moved, since that is the obvious consensus.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'r there 17:22, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I wish I'd had an easier year, and that text-based communication conveyed tone better, so I could read this painelessly. In more relevant matters, happy new year, please excuse the inconvenience, and I've reclosed the move. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:37, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Guess 2022 wasn't a good year for most of us. Hope everything gets much better for you and yours, and Happy New Year to you, too!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'r there 22:23, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Question from FancieLittle214 on Teahouse/Suggestions (17:06, 11 January 2023)
Hello I was wondering if you could help me editing it's my first time. --FancieLittle214 (talk) 17:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm happy to help. What specifically would you like to do? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:54, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello mentor
Wikipedia says they've assigned you as my mentor. Can you teach me stuff? Wallflower2048 (talk) 20:17, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Depends on what you want to learn (: Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Whatever you want to lol. But the foremost query I have is why the h do people revert my edits every single time? I've been on Wikipedia for a decade & started editing a few years prior from another account but they just revert everything without even writing the reason no matter what reliable source I provide.
 * Are they just bullying me because I'm a newcomer or are they on a mission to disrupt every logical edit that has ever been made. Wallflower2048 (talk) 03:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As someone who cannot read minds, I gently suggest you ask the ones who have reverted your edits. You can do so on their user talk or by pinging on the article talk.
 * Please kindly do so in a way that is civil and makes assumes good faith. Cheers, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:29, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Questions from Kindergartendad (January 2023)
Hi! I want to create a page for my late father who was one of the most influential farmer and labor leaders in the Philippines in the past 70 years. I created an account for myself and uploaded the write-up so it seems like the title is my username instead of his. Do I need to create another account with his name? Thanks! --Aqmontemayor (talk) 01:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No, your username is fine. The main problem is that you've transferred word-for-word the article you (?) wrote for the Phil Star, which is copyrighted. You can donate material you hold the copyright to, but donating a tribute to an encyclopedia may not be appropriate because they serve different purposes and have different styles and tone. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * (Forgot to ping you the first time around.) You can try to rewrite the draft in original words through the article wizard. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:57, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, appreciate your help.again as my latest draft has been declined again. One comment given by the reviewer LordVoldemort728 is that "many sections are unsourced." Not sure what that means as I am the subject's biographer and the book (published about him) and which is the basis of many of my texts were based on hundreds of face-to-face interviews in 2002-2003. Of course there are other sources listed in the Refetences I inidicated. Any suggestions? Will this be solved simply by putting some of the citations on my text instead of just in the reference list? I am a bit confused since 2 related wikipedia subjects cited in my article (johnny c. Tan and federation of free workers) seem to have been accepted with even fewer citations. The organization that my subject founded (federation of free farmers) is also already in wikipedia. Many thanks for your advice and help. --Kindergartendad (talk) 14:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Please excuse the long answer; I aim to be thorough.
 * Inline citations allow readers to more easily and quickly verify for themselves what you have written.
 * Using existing articles—many of which are subpar—as examples a common trap, so much so an essay called WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS has been written about it. Good and featured articles like Larry Itliong or Margaret Bondfield tend to be better examples because they have definitely been reviewed (albeit many years ago in some cases).
 * Bondfield's article also illustrates something people forget when they're rushing to write an article: you don't control it, and everything goes on there, good or bad. Bondfield's article discusses her accomplishments and her shortcomings and failures.
 * Your documentary and your book are controlled by you, but anybody can edit Wikipedia. You will have zero control over the article. If the possibility that someone could pull up an old (or some far future) newspaper article criticizing your father, add it to Wikipedia, while you can do nothing but watch is extremely unpleasant, you should consider how much you really want a Wikipedia article about him.
 * Thanks for reading this long answer, and hope it helped. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 09:05, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanka for your thorough response. It is most helpful and I will follow your advise. Kindergartendad (talk) 12:32, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

One final thing. How do I delete my entire draft? I just erased what I've written but it seems the draft page still exists. Thanks again. Kindergartendad (talk) 13:00, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Gerda. Here's to five more years of editing! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Changing passive voice to active voice
Hi, I saw on your profile page that you said that you often change "passive voice sentences into active voice". I agree this is helpful to improve readability as measured with the Flesch Kincaid Reading Ease score. However, I have a small problem with it. I wrote about it recently to a colleague so I copy what I had said to her:

WP has an interesting guideline on "words to watch": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions. There is a section in there on Weasel words: Weasel words are words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated. A common form of weasel wording is through vague attribution, where a statement is dressed with authority, yet has no substantial basis.

Words to watch: some people say, many scholars state, it is believed/regarded/considered, many are of the opinion, most feel, experts declare, it is often reported, it is widely thought, research has shown, science says, scientists claim, it is often said, officially, is widely regarded as, X has been described as Y  ...

This is important for when you convert passive voice to active voice and introduce a noun that wasn't there before. Passive voice: "xx is regarded as difficult". Active voice: "Scholars regard xx as difficult". Then it falls under the weasel word guidance as not being verifiable. It's tricky. Just raising this to be be aware of. Any solutions or guidance on this? EMsmile (talk) 11:34, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Great question, ! I don't really have great solutions or great guidance to go with it, though. I sometimes use by whom on sentences like the ones from your example or just leave them alone if I don't think it's a huge effort.
 * From my personal experience, the enforcement or execution of the weasel word guideline is more nuanced that the text of the guideline makes it out to be. I tagged what I felt to be an unclear sentence in Actuary (Special:Diff/988918883), and the person who brought that article to Featured Article status reverted my edit, essentially saying that the text of the article accurately reflected the cited reference. At the risk of wildly extrapolating from a single incident, I infer that if the reliable secondary source itself is a bit "weasel-y" (and absent another one that could clarify the matter), enwp can be, too.
 * Tangent aside, I usually only change sentences where the subject is clear, and rewording it won't sacrifice (too much) clarity. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, this is interesting information for me! EMsmile (talk) 10:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Pai Tavytera (disambiguation)
Hello Rotideypoc41352. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Pai Tavytera (disambiguation), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Page is not a disambiguation page, or disambiguates two or more extant pages. Thank you. BangJan1999 18:56, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

hiiii
heyyyy Danielladerraugh (talk) 23:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Feb 2023
I've asked for a second opinion for the change title on Ukraine articles. It seems like a 5-4 statement of opinions could use another few days for more comments to be added. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Special:Permalink/1141952310 for my own reference. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:17, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from Anyasitamun (01:32, 4 March 2023)
Hello, if I edit some articles, so others don't allow me to publish, and they want an reference of the information, so how to make them beleive to my article and how to give them an reference, please Explain Me --Anyasitamun (talk) 01:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! May I please kindly ask where you learned the information from? For example, in which book or website does it say that the caliphate is also called the Abbasid dynasty? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Rotideypoc41352! Just as a heads up, this user has now been blocked. From what I've seen they appear to have been acting in good faith, but literally every edit they did needed to be cleaned up/reverted, so WP:CIR would apply. Have a nice day, ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 14:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. With all the kindness in the cosmos, I had a feeling a CIR block would happen. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!
Oh my gosh, thank you for wrapping up the discussion at Talk:General practitioner. It's just been sitting there forever. I didn't want to close it because I took part in the discussion. I think Klbrain felt the same way. Joyous! | Talk 21:24, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


 * ...and a question. I like the style of the closing template you used, so I copied it over to my sandbox to test it. Alas, my signature only shows up with my name. No date, no talk page link. Do you know what I'm doing wrong? Joyous! | Talk 21:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help! Joyous! | Talk 02:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

just dropping by to say hello
hey there! I'm just dropping by to introduce myself, I go by sweettooth031 from Durban, Kwazulu Natal. real name is Kabelo But you can call me sweet tooth, because I eat too many sweet things lol. yeah I'm a new wikipedia editor but an old head News Journalist at Briefly South African News, just hoping to fix up some articles from entertainers in South africa, and hopefully add some articles from notable people who doesn't have an article yet.

cheers! Sweettooth031 (talk) 12:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC) — is a suspected sock puppet of.

Question from Pelham1010 on List of Cheyney University of Pennsylvania alumni (13:14, 24 February 2023)
How do I add content to Cheyney University notable alumni page --Pelham1010 (talk) 13:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, and hope you're well. What would you like to add to List of Cheyney University of Pennsylvania alumni? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 23:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

JERRY E. WILLIAMS – Cheyney University graduate 1981 A CATALYST for changing political administrations, Strategic Planning, Business Process Improvement, and Reengineering, IT Strategy, Financial Management and developing future leaders in both the public and commercial sectors • Member of the Federal Senior Executive Service (SES) and served in the Senior National Intelligence Service (SNIS) holding one of the highest Security Clearances in Government Top Secret SCI all compartments • First Chief Information Officer to have served as a Chief Financial Officer in Federal Government • Founder of One Alpha – IT consultant firm – Waldorf MD • Holds a certification as a Certified Government Accountant • Currently serving as an appointee to Maryland’s Governor on the Lottery and Gaming Commission • Served as CEO of a Mid-Western Technology firm • Served in a leadership capacity on the Industry Advisory Council (IAC) and as member of the Air Force Audit Committee • Honored with a Lifetime Achievement Award by Bowie State University for public and private • Recipient of the Federal 100 award, which honors individuals from government, industry, and academia whose ideas and accomplishments has had the greatest impact in shaping the missions, solutions, and results achieved by the government information technology community • Lead author of and lead the Federal Payroll Consolidation (reducing the number of Federal Systems from 47 down to just 4 systems for all Government) efforts and authored the current Federal Financial Management effort currently being implement across Government • Member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Incorporated Pelham1010 (talk) 00:00, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you mind linking some sources you have that support your proposed edit?
 * Also, as a matter of procedure, may I kindly ask your relation to Mr. Williams? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:29, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Please let me know if you received the source links. Thanks Pelham1010 (talk) 13:22, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You may just copy-paste them here. And your relation to Mr. Williams? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:22, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note to self: sources and COI declaration at Special:Permalink/1141565091. LinkedIn is a primary source and can only be used under limited circumstances; same with the press release. Based on the ExecutiveGov profile, added Jerry Williams as requested. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 23:35, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Please add graduation Class 1981 and the initial "E" to Mr Williams name Pelham1010 (talk) 17:08, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to do so yourself, and kindly add an add an inline citation to support the text. I prefer to err on the side of caution and rely as much on secondary sources as much as possible. Others are less likely to challenge such edits. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:24, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * try using for editing the page. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Cheyney University Notable Alumni - Jerry E Williams
Please update site to include Class 1981 and Mr Williams initial "E" to his name

Thanks Pelham1010 (talk) 17:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Replied above. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Pelham1010 on User:Pelham1010 (02:11, 29 April 2023)
Please updated Cheyney University Notable Alumni Jerry Williams to add his middle name initial "E" and graduation class year 1981 --Pelham1010 (talk) 02:11, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from Gatwech Wal Jiek on User:Gatwech Wal Jiek (16:25, 23 June 2023)
How can I create a page and post my written publisher? --Gatwech Wal Jiek (talk) 16:25, 23 June 2023 (UTC)


 * That requires a great amount of skill and technical knowledge of how [the English-language] Wikipedia works. Improve existing articles first. We have over six million of them, most of them in poor shape. After you gain enough experience to give you the required skills and knowledge, then show the Teahouse the three best sources you have on your proposed article subject and ask if the subject meets criteria for a standalone article. (If writing about yourself, please first read why an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, take some time, and think about it.) If the Teahouse doesn't think it will work, spend your precious time on more fruitful endeavours. Hope that helps, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:06, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Wjcooper85 on John Stuart Hay (15:34, 22 July 2023)
Hello, i don't know what I am doing. Help me? --Wjcooper85 (talk) 15:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! I put some links on your user talk with an explanation of some places to get started. Please feel free to return here if you get stuck or have more questions. Cheers! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:24, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Buffymariebelyea50 on What Wikipedia is not (16:20, 22 July 2023)
Columbine book about teacher who developed PTSD and anxiety. Fell asleep driving and accidentally killed someone --Buffymariebelyea50 (talk) 16:20, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! If you have a specific question on how to use or how to edit Wikipedia, please feel free to ask me! Otherwise, I'm afraid my ability to help you is extremely limited. Thank you! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:29, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Crtn32002 on Zero-width space (10:11, 23 July 2023)
Hey wassup with this stuff I like to use this one day. But I could use some help with my leavno intell G550. --Crtn32002 (talk) 10:11, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello again! I don't know how much help Wikipedia or any encyclopedia would be in fixing your computer. Professional help or the manufacturer is the way to go here—or other more tech support-oriented websites if money is a concern. Best of luck, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

rfa
You mean 10% of 3:00 isn't :30? :D Valereee (talk) 15:58, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Please excuse the serious reply to a jovial comment: I was honestly hoping for a demonstration of candidate's copyright knowledge through a concrete example. It seemed to be a concern in the last RfA (two questions by two different users, an oppose by a third), and the other two main concerns have been addressed (Tamzin's BLP concerns, TonyBallioni and other opposers' conduct concerns). Instead, I learned about the 10% rule myself (I don't upload non-free content) and happened to help candidate fix an error. I can read a room (or at least would like to think I can...sometimes): clearly, even if candidate's copyright knowledge were a concern, the community trusts her to be open to feedback from more experienced users or admin and to change her behavior accordingly. Plus, I'm not eloquent. No amount of effort I spend figuring out how to word my last question will get the information I want, I think. This is good enough. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 23:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you
@Rotideypoc41352 Hello, I received a message saying that you had left a message for me on my talk page. I can find a message (→‎Re:Thank you: Please feel free to revert if this was not a wikitext error) which appears to refer to an added = at the start of a very old message on my talk page - I have been inactive in the community for a very long time due to a long period in which I have had to re-learn much after a brain injury caused by a medication and have recently re-started engaging. I suspect that the message left for me by another user began =Re:Thank you== and you have corrected it to ==Re:Thank you==. Presumably that corrects a wikitext syntax error in which case, my thanks. DrRickZTTwo (talk) 12:12, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

No consensus reached for Chengguan (agency) page move
There were two Oppose and two Move. There was no consensus reached for the article. Please move it back, and do not move until a consensus is reached.

Oppose: Cfls, robertsky

Move to Chengguan (agency): Necrothesp

Move: Alpha3031

Cfls (talk) 19:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If there is indeed new data absent from the original discussion, please feel free to clarify, and I will think it over.
 * Absent that, I believe my close to be in line with the spirit, intent, and letter of WP:RMCI. Specifically, the closing instructions there emphasizes that consensus is not a vote and asks the closer to consider consensus broader than the usually narrow slice of the community who participates in RM discussions. That broader consensus includes policy that have site-wide support, such as WP:COMMONNAME cited in my close. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:00, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

From IP blocked for vandalism that I and others cleaned up

 * Some wars shouldn't end before enemies end. Some warriors fight not just to finish enemies ahead, but to finish entire generation of enemies ahead.[ I meant what I said ] 2409:4081:AC14:BD4E:0:0:CC4A:7309 (talk) 08:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: MP3 Newswire
Hello Rotideypoc41352. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of MP3 Newswire, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not previously been deleted via a deletion discussion. Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:22, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Mis-click - the edit summary should have been "Short version: deletion dicussion was closed 11 Aug 2005. It was re-created 28 September 2005, and has been in mainspace since then. I'm currently writing up notes for a second AFD. Yep, I'm not probably going to make myself popular for this speedy decline, but that goes with the job."--Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:25, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Archival note: Articles for deletion/MP3 Newswire (2nd nomination). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Deletion savant investors
Can you please let me know how to improve the article, vs. just suggesting it be deleted? 2603:7000:4603:4C21:B496:3A6A:5F50:C06B (talk) 12:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Replied at User talk:Mrdot4564 to keep it all in one place. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 09:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Eatingbugs (17:10, 15 November 2023)
Hi! I was wondering if it’s okay to update the “access-date:” parameter in citation templates? like, if the url is still live and the listed access date is from a long time ago, is it acceptable to update that date to let others know it’s still working properly? Thanks --Eatingbugs (talk) 17:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It depends. Webpages are dynamic. For example, let's say a webpage back in 2015 lists members of a band, and that list was subsequently removed from the webpage though the URL and other info remains. If the list is supporting the text of Wikipedia article, then you'd want to keep the access date at 2015 (and maybe add an archive URL), even though the page still exists. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Eatingbugs (talk) 19:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

You are not ClueBot III
So why did you decide you needed to manually archive a section on User talk:AnomieBOT? Anomie⚔ 13:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, and hope you're enjoying your weekend. I hope it's not too much trouble if I ask you to please help me out here: what exactly is it that you'd like me to do?
 * I can undo my edits on both the bot's talk and the archive.
 * I can also undo just the edit on the archive.
 * If the section is irrelevant to the bot or bot tasks, it could just be removed.
 * Do nothing further, and not contest any reversions of my edits on those pages.
 * If I've missed something, please feel free to let me know. Thanks. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd like you to let me know why you decided to do it. Anomie⚔ 14:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I wanted to remove a thread that had no obvious relevance to the bot or its tasks, but felt awkward about vanishing it completely. I'm not sure how that helps, but there you go. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Closing discussions
How do you do it and set the color for each closure? I'd like to do that next time I test edit on the talk page sandbox. I wanna do other things on there than just scream "OOPS" or "SPOO" all the time. 1033Forest (talk) 01:27, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Good to see you around as always, Gerda. Enjoy your vacation and safe travels, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Help for publishing article
I recently updated Draft: Mohit_Joshi but it got declined again. I had updated it according to the last suggestion given by the talk page only. Please review my draft and let me know what should I improve. Tanmay.s.15 (talk) 04:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Previously answer at Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1198 and now being answered at Teahouse (probably Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1215 by the time it gets archived) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 07:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Parking for the event on Saturday
The library's parking lot is adjacent to the library; if you enter from San Vicente, it's the lot on the right. Validation is available for three hours, but please note: the lot fills up quickly. (There's another lot on the opposite side of the driveway. Parking is validated for an hour at the booth on the ground floor of the garage or near the small dog area on the opposite side of West Hollywood Park.)

Parking in West Hollywood is treacherous! If you park on the street make sure to read the signs. Most everywhere is permit parking, and the wonderful park is in part financed by parking tickets. So. Alternative transit methods are a great idea. Hope to meet you! JSFarman (talk) 16:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * (Courtesy link for archival purposes: Meetup/Los Angeles/February 2024). Thanks for the notice, and look forward to seeing you there! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It was really nice to meet you at the event and keep up the great work. jengod (talk) 17:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Likewise! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

WRT Nancy Clifton draft
Hello, I just submitted my new draft for Nancy Clifton and I hope that my change of style and addition of references will be acceptable Chevelue (talk) 14:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)