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Doubling url-status value
Hello, just wanted to report a minor bug inthe bot's edits of the citation templates. In this edit of Spider-Man: Far From Home (Special:Diff/1054170660), the bot added "live" to the url-status parameter when it was already there, making the value "live live" and thus throwing a citation error in the Reflist. I searched for more, but it looks like a lot of the edited articles don't always archive the page to necessitate using the parameter. -2pou (talk) 14:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @2pou Thanks, looking into this now. Winston (talk) 14:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Found a page using an archive here (Special:Diff/1054171484) where the error was not duplicated. Might be a cite Rotten Tomatoes thing. -2pou (talk) 14:24, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the bug is from wikitextparser. Basically if the parameter exists but is empty and you set the value, it gets doubled for some reason. Going to fix this by checking for an actual value, and I'll report the bug. Winston (talk) 14:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Unnecessary template
Is it possible for the bot to stop adding the "pencil" thing? {RT data|edit}. Every site doesn't use it, so why should this one?--Filmomusico (talk) 21:45, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll remove it from the bot since an objection was raised. Editors can add it manually if they want. Winston (talk) 21:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Can the bot remove it too? Or it's something that we should do it?--Filmomusico (talk) 22:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll have the bot remove it. Winston (talk) 22:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Please, thank you.--Filmomusico (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Without the pencil, are editors likely to get confused as to why they cannot update the current ratings (since they are now hosted by WikiData as opposed to local text)? -2pou (talk) 22:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, even with the (kinda small) pencil they'd have to notice and click on it, and it's down in the citations. I think it's more likely that they'll visit Template:RT data first since they haven't seen this template before, and quickly see that it gets data from Wikidata. The pencil was mostly a "cool and useful, but not strictly necessary" add-on feature. Since an editor has already objected to its use this quickly it's probably best just not to have the bot include it. Editors can manually include it at their discretion. Winston (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I like the idea behind this project.  It should reduce some watchlist bloat from simple RT updates.  Thanks and nice work! -2pou (talk) 23:11, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Run frequency
How often does the bot run to make updates? Only curious because I was looking to implement RT data for Eternals, which came out Friday, and the Wikidata wasn't there yet. I've manually added it, but just wanted some clarification. Thanks! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:00, 9 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @Favre1fan93 The plan is to run the bot on Wikidata 2-3 times a year. This is because one shouldn't delete outdated statements on Wikidata, you just add an up-to-date one. So we don't want to flood Wikidata items with RT ratings. I probably won't be using the bot to replace "raw" scores on Wikipedia for anything newer than a few months (I'm starting from Category:2020 films and working backwards). For recent releases it's probably better not to use the template since I imagine people are going to want to update the ratings pretty frequently. Once the movie has been out for a couple months, the rating and editing activity will have settled down and it's easier to let the bot/template maintain the rating from then on. That was my idea, at least. Winston (talk) 16:10, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Copy. I wonder if it might be beneficial to do 2-3 times a year for any older film, but ones releasing in the current year, maybe run it every 4 months or something in the given year? But I see what you're saying regarding flooding changes on recently released films. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure exactly what you mean. The bot basically has two functions:
 * On Wikidata, add up-to-date RT ratings every couple months.
 * On Wikipedia, replace "raw" scores with RT data.
 * Since newer releases probably want updates more than every couple months, what I'm saying is that if the template is used, you shouldn't rely on the bot to keep the ratings as up-to-date as I imagine people would like for a newer film. So there are two options. Option 1 is to use the template anyways, and updates will have to be made manually to Wikidata by whoever wants to. Option 2 is to keep the status quo and just write the scores directly into the wikitext to make it easier to manually update however frequently it's desired. Then, once some time has passed and the rating has settled down, RottenBot will come along and replace it with RT data.
 * I think Option 2 is more practical. Winston (talk) 16:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with the Category:2021 films? Not to mention that RT have info about films from late 1940s and onward, not before it.--Filmomusico (talk) 00:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)