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They won't allow that apparently... Route 82 15:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

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I took them from Google Maps, and Windows Live Local...

took them and put them together, making a new image... they are technically no longer the same images I found online, so I see no reason why it can't be posted.


 * They are derivative works of copyrighted works, and are thus themself copyright-encumbered. --SPUI (T - C) 15:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Finding 600-series routes
Hello, Just wanted to give you a tip on getting to those 600-series routes. If you go on this page on the NJDOT website, you can download a Straight Line Diagrams packet for Ocean county. You can then use the diagrams to create articles and also find the routes themselves (as well as take photos and see if there is any signage confirming their existense - it appears that Ocean County doesn't have that many 600-series routes in the first place). Good luck and welcome to Wiki! lensovet 04:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

600-series edits
Hi again, just wanted to ask you a small favor - please do keep the references in the article! They provide a way for other people to verify what we have written so that our work is not just stuff we made up. Thanks! lensovet 05:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

(Route 82) They will see them at the bottom of the page, with all the numbers by the names it just looks very crowded...


 * The reason they appear at the bottom is because they are cited in the article itself. If you remove the references from the article the numbers at the bottom go away too. Btw, you can sign your comments by typing four "~" characters in succession. lensovet 06:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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422 "just west of Valley Forge"
I'm disputing the location you specify for this image. See associated talk page.--J Clear 21:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

This image is west of Valley Forge but I was being more general when I meant that... It is near Pottstown, but I figured Valley Forge would be easier for people to locate when trying to pinpoint where this would be... I relabeled it anyways...Route 82 16:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Question about Route 18 image
Hi there. You put Image:Route 18.jpg on the Route 18 (New Jersey) article, saying, "This was taken from a recently made PDF map, and shows that NJDOT has not completely given up on Route 18." I'm wondering how recently that PDF map was made, and if you could cite exactly where you got it from. The reason I ask is that its inclusion in the Route 18 article contradicts the plans to turn the southern alignment into a bike trail, and those plans have been in progress since 2003. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 00:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I just added the link to the map that shows the proposed extension on the Route 18 page...Route 82 16:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Jack Plotnick
Hey, I am sorry about removing one of those pictures. I did delete one because when I went to edit the article, there were more pictures than text. There's something about that article where the pictures and column headings aren't formatting right, and I am not familiar enough with how the photos work to figure out what's wrong. It wasn't a pornographic image at all (in fact, it was a cool picture) but usually articles with three pictures have a LOT more text. Feel free to add it back if you like. NickBurns 21:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Using NJDOT materials
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 * I've created NJDOT for this, as it's not quite public domain. Can you add the URL from which you got each image? --SPUI (T - C) 09:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You sure that they are actually "copyrighted"? For example, the county route designation maps don't have any copyright designations on them. lensovet 21:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC), right I forgot, US law technically doesn't allow you to "release" anything into the public domain. lensovet 19:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Either way, they are free to use by the NJDOT... let's just leave it at that... Route 82 05:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Route 18.jpg
Just wanted to give you a heads-up, I nominated your Route 18 NJDOT map for speedy deletion, because I've put a higher-resolution PNG version of the same map on the Commons. So nothing personal, just a little housecleaning :) lensovet 19:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

ok whatever...Route 82 20:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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The image is a colored pencil drawing made by myself... I figured just saying I created it in the PD was enough...

I added in the text description that I drew it... Route 82 00:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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Moved stuff from userpage
Is alll those shields acceptable on the US Route 130 page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nextbarker (talk • contribs)

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Sure... how do we go about discussing this?

I certainly hate when a certain someone changes the things I do... so coming to a general consensus is fine by me...  just let me how and when we'll discuss this... Route 82 05:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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Route 33 edits
Hi there. I noticed you've been adding info to the "Future improvements" section of Route 33 (New Jersey). I was hoping you could provide sources for your information, as much of it seems to be speculation. -- NORTH talk 15:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

All sources have been added, but if you really questioned the validity of my submissions, all you had to do was type into Google and you would have found the same things I did just as easily. Route 82 16:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not my responsibility to find sources for information you add. -- NORTH talk 16:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not familiar with how to reference yet... I have seen it done, but haven't duplicated it properly yet. And if you wanted me to quote my sources, then you could have just asked me to, instead of saying that it was "speculation" as if I was lying about it.

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I provided a source at the bottom as an external link... Route 82 17:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That was not a reliable source, and does not even support the assertion: "Due to the numbering of Missouri 364, it is possible that once the road is completed, it might become part of the Interstate Highway System. However, no official plans for that are currently in place." --NE2 17:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The same applies to your edits to Route 755. How do you know Route 755 was to be Interstate 755? --NE2 19:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you like sitting in front of your pc just waiting for someone to make an edit? it's like you have nothing else to do... I have labeled 755 as not a proposed interstate, but an unbuilt one. Even if it had been built as MO 755, as a freeway it is likely it would have become an interstate had it been built. The same goes for 364, it is not an interstate yet, but given it's planned future it seems very likely it will be. I feel that it is worth mentioning in the article, as long as it is made clear that it is not currently an interstate. Route 82 19:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Please read no original research and reliable sources, as well as civility. --NE2 20:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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Re: New Jersey Route 60
Yes, I removed that link because it was unencyclopedic. Please read External links. We don't link to fan fiction on the Harry Potter articles, nor do we link to fan fiction on the road articles. -- NORTH talk 19:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Please read No original research. Your map is original research, based on how you think Route 60 would have been built. --NE2 00:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

What is wrong with having that map up??? It has been stated that Route 60 would have multiplexed with Route 55 in Vineland... I drew the most logical position it would have taken...  there is nothing wrong with having that concept image displayed... Route 82 00:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Your map assumes the location of the road, its interchanges, and its exit numbers. Unless you have a reliable source that includes these, the map is original research. --NE2 00:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

And what about this map??

This surely has proposed highways on it that don't exist...Route 82 17:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything wrong with that map, given its scale. Yours gets into way too much detail. --NE2 21:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

So then if I draw my represntation of Route 60 & 55 as simple as this map... then it can stay?? Route 82 17:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably. It would be best if you cited a source - do any of the planning maps at phillyroads show it? --NE2 18:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

No.. but I'm sure not all of the highways on that Cleveland map are taken from another map source... some are probably elaborated on... Route 82 00:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't know, since I didn't make the map. But proposed Interstates typically had more planning than random state highways. --NE2 00:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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"Future Improvements"
Please stop changing section headers to read "Future Improvements". It should either be Future developments (per WP:NJSCR) or simply Future (per WP:IH). The word "improvements" violates WP:NPOV, and at the very least, should not be capitalized per the Manual of Style.

Secondly, there is never a good reason to convert prose to a bulleted list (regarding this edit). I-295 is currently a good article, and I'd like to keep it that way. Sections that consist entirely of bulleted lists harm the article. -- NORTH talk 22:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see.... when you do something to an article or do alot of work on an article... it shouldn't be changed... but you are ok with changing other people's articles with no problem... I see how it is...  and what the hell is the difference between saying improvements and developments??? improvements is the word they use most often when refering to new construction... developments refers to a housing or commercial construction... Route 82 23:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Assume good faith, please. Everything you added to the article is still there, with the wording slightly improved.
 * Improvements is POV; I could easily make an argument that resurfacing these roads is just encouraging more people to use them and causing more traffic and more pollution – not much of an improvement at all. The word developments here refers to definition 2, as in "Our news team brings you the latest developments", not a housing development. -- NORTH talk 23:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Slightly improved? and just how do you define that? perhaps I think that what I typed was a "slight improvement" over what you said... like the bullets... they are helpful in seperating each project listed in the "developments" section... so it doesn't seem like one globbed together section... so "slightly improving" is in fact changing it to your "POV" of how it should be worded...  don't be so critical man, and just let some changes stay the way they are... you don't have to have 100% absolute control over EVERY highway article on wikipedia... and don't deny that you aren't trying...Route 82 00:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You're still not assuming good faith. All I did was fix the grammar and expand your edit on the resurfacing.  Improving grammar isn't what POV means, POV refers to bias in the text.
 * You may also want to read what it says at the bottom of the edit window. "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." Heck, if you don't like my grammar, feel free to edit me, as long as it doesn't turn into a revert war.
 * Sections that consist entirely of bulleted lists are discouraged per Embedded lists. The second example down on that page could apply here, but there's no preceding paragraph, and the subsequent paragraphs aren't particularly short. -- NORTH talk 19:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Resurfacing really is not important. Since Wikipedia exists to cover objects' history as well as current status, if you include current repaving projects, you should also include past ones. The article would then have several paragraphs about regular repavings. It's like getting a haircut; it's done every once in a while, and if you wait way too long before doing it, it may cause "problems" that we may cover, but we don't list when people get haircuts, even if they can be sourced. --NE2 14:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with NE2, resurfacing is not noteworthy. A road is important in where it is, what it connects, and its status. Extending (or reducing), widening, reclassifying would therefore be noteworthy, but it should be assumed that the surface would be maintained. LessHeard vanU 14:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I would say that in general, resurfacing is not noteworthy, unless there is something special about the type of resurfacing done, such as rubberized asphalt being applied for the first time in that area. CASCADIA Howl/Trail 17:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Concur with all above. As I said on the Village Pump, Oklahoma State Highway 74 has been at least partially resurfaced four times in the past seven years, and it looks like ODOT are gearing up for a fifth round. So no, I don't think repaving a highway is notable enough to be mentioned. —Scott5114↗ 07:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

PA Turnpike / PA 63 Slip Ramp
I just wanted to let you know that in the interest of reaching a consensus, I've opened a discussion at Talk:Pennsylvania Turnpike regarding the inclusion of this potential interchange. Since you made the add and researched this, I'm particularly interested in hearing your opinions on the issue. Thanks, --Clubjuggle 16:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Opinion about I-195
I am reverting your post on several talk pages. Wikipedia is not a discussion forum; the talk page is for discussing the article, not the subject of the article. --NE2 19:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

State name on MD interstate shields
I agree with your removal of the MD state name interstate shields, and apparently others at WT:MDRD do as well. If you want to add a comment there, you may do so in hopes of establishing a consensus on this issue. Thanks. --T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I-195 issue
I wanted to talk on your page b/c this is more of a me-to-you than about the article itself.

I'm really not sure why you're being so defensive. Wikipedia's not owned by anyone, so it's not like we're changing something belonging to you. It's not a personal attack; it's just an attempt to make WP more informative than it already is. Information comes from sources, that's how Britannica works; the editors don't insert conjecture to their articles, and we shouldn't here. If you don't know for sure, it shouldn't be here.

In regards to the first two examples you gave on the talk page, they're pictures that have sources on their respective article pages. The last one should have a cite, but seeing as I know nothing about Louisiana roads, it's not my place to add fact temps. Also, about the scrutiny issue, I can only speak for myself, and since I've lived in NJ most of my life and spent all my life on the East Coast, I have sufficient knowledge to consider myself part of the NJ roads project, and this happens to be one of the pages on my watchlist. I don't seek out changes in other areas I don't know, so my only assumption (and you know what they say about assuming) is more people know about NJ roads than, let's say, Louisiana or Montana roads. It's not to say that NJ roads are any more important; it's just saying they're more well-known by the people who edit them than others.

So, my suggestion to you is, and this is me talking as one who always assumes good faith, I would cut down on the, "Why are you messing up my page?" tone, because that's only going to get you in trouble with less lenient editors in the future. I personally have nothing wrong with what you're doing (IMO, a wrong edit is better than a troll edit or even no edit at all), but someone will, and I just want to make sure that nothing happens to you to where you'll never want to edit again. So, that being said, you get what I'm saying? EaglesFanInTampa 17:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying, and I am sorry for getting snippy. It just seems anytime I try to do something on wikipedia it is undermined in 5 seconds by someone else (sometimes for the right reasons & sometimes not). I created a map of my own based on steve andersons Route 60 page of where the proposed freeway was to go, based on how he described in his article the highway would run. It was taken down for being original research, so it upsets me to see other people's "Original Research" still on several articles... it's just annoying to me is all... Also, I changed the 195 page to just state that 15.7 miles would be added to 195 if laid over the two highways, and I took out the renumbered exits part. Route 82 19:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, it's all good. No apology necessary; I'm not even close to mad :-D.  I just want you to make sure you realize what you're doing, while seemingly important, could piss a lot of people off, if only for the "my way" attitude.  I agree that what you're doing will be important, but it's not yet, as it's not set in stone as to the situation regarding the fate of I-295/I-95 north of Exit 60.  Take it from me: you've got less than 1500 edits under your belt, and while I've got only a few more (about 2500 +/-), I was definitely in your shoes not too long ago.  However, Wikipedia, like any good organization, is all about politics, and if you piss off the wrong people, no one will respect anything you do ever again, no matter how right you honestly are and how many sources you may have.  So don't sweat it, because you're doing just fine...just sometimes you have to pick your battles, and in this arena, without sources, you'll almost always fight a losing one.  Just don't get stuck being labelled "that guy."  Don't let it get you down; you're going a great job otherwise! EaglesFanInTampa 21:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:90 proposed.jpg
Hi, your fair use for Image:90 proposed.jpg seems reasonable; any idea where you obtained this image from? Cheers from a real person, John Vandenberg 02:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, you need to spend some time working on Your uploads and fix them to mention a source before the bots delete them. Let me know if you have any questions relating to images, or if you want one of your deleted images restored. John Vandenberg 03:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, when I uploaded these images they did have a copyright tag... first was the art tag...  that meant it was a work of art and someone had the copyright to it. That didn't work so then someone made an NJDOT, which worked out becuz the state and DOT had copyright to this map and all the others I had uploaded.... but that still wasn't enough, the NJDOT license was deleted, and left these images without a tag... at this point I really don't give a crap anymore... these wiki people have been far too nitpicky. Their blind and unyielding follow of the rules is resulting in some worthwhile images (such as the NJ 90 image) being taken off the site. I am tired of trying to convince them of their worth... so at this point, they can delete the damn images and I'll keep them to myself. Give them to Steve Anderson, or someone else to post on their websites... But thank you for your interest and opinion... we seem to be on the same page... unlike the others... Route 82 13:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please dont give up yet. Adding "non-free" images on Wikipedia can be a nightmare, especially if they are "replaceable".  The reason for this is that Wikipedia wants to avoid all copyright problems by limiting its use of copyright to the bare necessity; this helps us burn Wikipedia onto CD and distribute it in schools across the globe.
 * I have not seen NJDOT in my travels until now, but I have reviewed Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_August_29 now and I am not convinced by the outcome as no proper analysis of law was undertaken. It is quite possible that NJ DOT images are "free"; any chance you can call NJ DOT and ask them if images they produce can be modified and redistributed?
 * In addition, it appears that the deletion of your images was an unintended side effect. What should have happened is that all use of that copyright template should have been replaced with an equally strong copyright tag, which would have meant that your images would still be in place.  I will correct this in a day or two.  John Vandenberg 14:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest and help with the images I posted... it's very refreshing...  I will try and contact the NJDOT, but it's hard getting through to them... I'll let you know what I find out... Route 82 14:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I-576 alignments
Are you sure? Because Interstate-Guide.com and Kurumi roads is not a reliable source. You didn't write a summary of reasons you add the I-576 information back. Much of those websites are speculations. Freewayguy __ Let me know what's up 17:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Totally agreed. Please read WP:RS and cite sources directly that even support your claims. —O (说 • 喝) 22:40, 02 October 2007 (GMT)

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Why is this image being disputed??? I applied the game screenshot template... the same exact one that was applied here...





even here....



what else is the problem???? it was even reduced in size by someone... Route 82 15:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Your Recent Edit to Hybrid vehicle
Regarding my reversion of the addition of this link -- it's little more than a poorly researched blog site. If someone wants to work criticisms against gasoline-electric vehicles into the article, it should be done so in the prose not by linking to a shakily documented blog site that has its own agenda (Autobytel). You need multiple reliable sources not a poorly researched, inaccurate blog article. - Ageekgal 15:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The very same website you're pushing, ironically, has a "Go Hybrid!" article as well, here. Looks like you need more and better sources. ;) - Ageekgal 16:01, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey I like Hybrids... and hope they keep improving, but I read the article and thought it was important to include a con to the hybrid page... sorry... Route 82 16:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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