User talk:Roxy the dog/Archive 13

Community ban
Hi Roxy. I have closed the ANI complaint against you with a WP:CBAN, and accordingly, set your block not to expire. Please see WP:UNBAN for your appeal options — I would personally recommend that you wait a minimum of 6 months before filing one. And I would also strongly recommend taking Sideswipe9th's on her generous offer to engage the matter further with you, which hopefully would lead to better understanding. Either way, good luck and best wishes for your health (wishes which I hope aren't in poor taste for me to extend). El_C 10:10, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your kind good wishes. I would be interested to read Sideswipes offer, but I have no idea where it was made, could you perhaps link it for me. - Roxy the dog 10:24, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Link. — Nythar (💬-🍀) 10:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. - Roxy the dog 10:51, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * A further question if I may. Obviously I shall be removing myself from wikipedia in the very near future, but does this CBAN act, in the same way as a Topic Ban, ie am I forbidden to discuss the subject area around which I am CBANned on this page? - Roxy the dog 11:38, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * As long as it's constructive, it's probably fine. So if as mentioned you wish to discuss the subject matter with Sideswipe9th, you may do so here. El_C 11:51, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ... and when you say constructive how may I interpret that? If I used it in a response, it would on the thread at ANI, have been picked apart in many many different ways, and given many different meanings. Many people would not like, and interpret my responses and comment as not constructive, and I would be in further trouble, if such is possible? - Roxy the dog 12:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The primary purpose of leaving talk pages accessible to blocked users is to allow them to appeal the decision. So I would suggest constructive should be interpreted as any comment building toward that eventual appeal. Given the nature of this ban, that would certainly include learning from trans editors about their experiences editing Wikipedia and how we can do better, both as individual editors and as a community. – bradv  14:44, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey. Nythar's kindly given the link, and I'll expand on it a little here, hopefully that's OK with you.
 * The offer itself will remain open indefinitely, whenever you feel ready to take me up on it I'll be there. You can leave me a message here, or send me an email through my user page, whichever you prefer. I've no real structure in mind for how it would work, other than I think it'd be best if you lead it. I don't want to come across as preachy or like I'm just bombarding you with links to research papers and philosophical debates. I'll certainly provide those as context, where I think they'll be helpful, provide context, or if they can explain something better than I can. But for the most part, I think this would be best if we treat it as a discussion between two people.
 * I think what might work well is if we start with questions and answers. You ask whatever you want about the topic, I'll try my best to answer. If something is unclear, you need me to say it a different way, or if you want me to go into more detail about something, just say. I'm happy to discuss pretty much anything on the topic, from the science underpinning it all, to my own personal experiences with it. Nothing would be off-limits, though depending on the questions there are some answers I might prefer to give to you privately by email or via DM on Discord. I won't hold how you phrase questions against you, and if we do this primarily on your talk page if anyone tries to say it's non-constructive or not an appropriate use I will defend you. Sideswipe9th (talk) 15:26, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm so pleased I rescinded your page ban (in my head) not thirty seconds before you posted. - Roxy the dog 21:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm quite late to this, and I first want to wish you, Roxy, a speedy recovery from your health issues. On top of that, I have a background in biochemistry/genetics - but it's from a long time ago, and I didn't study sexuality/gender at all. But what I do know is that ideas along the lines of "penis = male, vagina = female", or "XY = male, XX = female", are just not in keeping with modern scientific knowledge - in fact, not even the science of the 80s when I graduated. Sexuality and gender are the result of complex gene expression, a lot of which was not understood in my day, but I'm sure much more is known now. (And, just a personal observation, I've always thought that flexibility in sexual genetic expression has to be an inevitable, and beneficial, evolutionary outcome). Anyway, I really do encourage you to take up Sideswipe9th in their offer of help... but I would strongly recommend taking it off-wiki rather than here, centre stage, in the bright spotlight. However things turn out, Roxy, I wish you well. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You blocked me in the past, Boing. I hope you know that I never resented that. I recognise ("penis = male, vagina = female", or "XY = male, XX = female") your comment, but the mainstream tells us something different, and I will go no further for the fear that Valjean describes below. This comment may broach my extremely narrow page freedoms ("constructive"), this is not uncontructive. - Roxy the dog 07:05, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I hadn't realised I'd featured in your block log, but I tend to forget things like that quite quickly. I'm pleased there's no hard feelings. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:56, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well I'm sorry to see this. I recommend resources like this and to read on sex assignment, that is not a flawless process in medicine.  This is also a topic that's been weaponized to divide and create conflict, including by trolling campaigns of people claiming to be feminists, and the typical anti-science creationist claiming to be fighting for science (with a straw man of pseudoscientific simplified biology argument).  In any case, my suggestion is to wait 3-6 months without creating other accounts and to appeal, with a sincere statement about the understanding on why some of your comments could be disrespectful to other people.  If you don't return, farewell, I've also seen good contributions from you and that is unfortunate.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 17:32, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I don’t think 3-6 months is long enough for the community, whose will and discontent is clear. To return, in my opinion, (1) you should not appeal before a year, (2) you need to renounce your transphobic + TERF views and apologise for them, and (3) you will need to apologise for your history of general incivility (e.g. ) and explain how you will change. I wish you good luck and good health.  starship .paint  (exalt) 18:16, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Your opinion is noted. Thank you very much for your kind good wishes. - Roxy the dog 21:44, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think Sideswipe's offer is an excellent way to go, and I want to thank Sideswipe for putting it on the table. I regard Sideswipe as another wiki-friend of mine, one whose advice to Roxy should be very valuable. And I think the comment from Starship.paint should tell Roxy where a lot of the community is at. As for anything on this talk page, Roxy, you should follow Bradv's instructions and restrict it to, eventually, seeking an appeal, and otherwise to learning and making amends in order for that appeal to succeed. If you have questions about that for me, I'm happy to try to answer them here. I would like to take this opportunity to remind you of the many times you and I discussed how I thought you were doing things wrong, and where, after you thought about it for a while, you came to agree with my advice. I'd love to see you work on getting better at remembering previous times when that happened, so that you don't need to be reminded of it again – so that you go directly to doing the right thing without relapsing into mistakes that you already made before. I'll boil a big part of it down to something very simple: treat other people on Wikipedia nicely, and be aware of their feelings. In the mean time, I think you should take a nice, long break from this place, and focus on getting healthy. See you around sometime, I hope! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:07, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm reminded of . Seeing your community ban makes me think that one need not hasten the day because it's coming very quickly without our help. Much as I've been a reader of Wikipedia I'm more certain than ever about my choice to stop contributing to articles and I guess I'm glad you're in that boat, too. These folks don't deserve your efforts, Roxy, so please enjoy your well-earned time off. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 03:18, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Chris, I've no doubt that this is the approach I am going to take. - Roxy the dog 06:50, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This little interchange is disappointing. I had hoped that you would have taken another path. Maybe I made a mistake trying to keep you around against significant opposition. Very disappointing. Cullen328 (talk) 07:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand. How easy it is. This project has taken a huge proportion of my time in the last ten years or more, and now I shall have to replace it. I hope to be able to enjoy it, but a huge hole has been carved out of my life. - Roxy the dog 08:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have seen people in similar circumstances temporarily migrate to places like Commons, simple English WP and WPO. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm going to guess that Cullen's comment about disappointment is referring to "but the mainstream tells us something different". Roxy, I myself didn't like that either, given the context. This is not the time to argue, but rather, it's the time to listen. Cullen, if I'm mistaken about that and you have any disappointment with anything that I've contributed on Roxy's talk, please tell me about it at my talk. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:52, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm just going to put this here
Roxy,

I'm not looking for a response as this is not related to the discussion on your block. I'm not going to comment on anything above because I think that discussion has been had and a consensus of our peer editors made a decision. I have always wanted for you, an improved health and a wholeness in life. Through our limited discussions here I believe you to be an extremely strong willed human and I think we need to be that sometimes to make it through the things we go through. Yours has been a difficult journey but you are and continue to be an inspiration to many going through similar things. This may be an end but it is not the end of your journey. As you go forward searching for something meaningful to fill the void of not having Wikipedia, consider that. Always work to improve as a human being, in the way you treat yourself and others. Recognize your limitations, vices and faults but don't focus so much on those things that you miss out on celebrating your successes and achievements. I will continue to sing a song of health over you, my friend. -- A Rose Wolf  12:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for thes kind and thoughtful words. It is appreciated. Roxy the dog 14:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello Roxy
I think we've only interacted twice on here, you gave me a bit of advice about another editor. I've followed some of your posts at the fringe noticeboard for a while which have kept me entertained through some intensive (and extremely painfu) surgery. I really hope you start to feel better soon. Sorry to hear about your bollocks 😄 Please take care 🙂 Knitsey (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I looked it up. It was good straightforward advice that I’m so glad you heeded. And thank you for telling me, I wish more newbies followed advice like that that many of us give. Thanks so much. Roxy the dog 22:04, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

In hospital again
Obviously I’ve avoided this depressing website, it hasn’t been easy. I see many pings unanswered about what used to be my user page. My thoughts are “meh” what is the improvement to the project tagging that, what sort of a user would do it? I should respond that apart from one hater, people who actually pinged acted AGF. Thank you all for that kindness.

i thought the haters would be amused at my plight so here I am. It’s unrelated to scrotum issues, probably due to recent ending of two years of chemotherapy.

In in the meantime, looking at this page, I obviously have to correct my dissembling, but I’m still not in the right frame of mind to do it yet. Roxy the dog 14:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * What's important is that you be well. This website is... just a website. You are in my thoughts. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I hope that you are better soon. Cullen328 (talk) 21:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear it, Roxy. I don't know what people get out of tagging your userpage, indeed. Especially not the admin who did it with reference to a non-existent subheader of the banning policy page. I've removed the tag. Anyway, I'm somewhat cheered to see the fly still crawling about. Hope it's a good portent. Bishonen &#124; tålk 21:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC).
 * Thank you all very much for your kind thoughts. I see a little unfortunate back and forth, but no worries Bish.
 * my heamoglobin levels have tanked horribly and we don’t know why. Must rest. Roxy the dog 10:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ... just a website. Developments have developed. I have found it odd how friendships developon just a website. It happens a lot.
 * i have dreaded the bone marrow test tomorrow for fifteen years. Wanted you lot to know, and don’t really understand why. Must rest some more. Roxy the dog 14:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keeping everything crossed for you. I copied your fly onto my own page ages ago, and every time I see it I think of you and the help you gave.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Roxy, my sincere apologies if my behavior has contributed to your stress in any way. You're in my thoughts and prayers. I hope you get better soon. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  18:56, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I remember the stress of waiting for those results and hoping the news was positive or at least not worse than it already was. You are in my thoughts, Roxy, especially in those moments. Remember that you are a cherished human song and, though this particular fight is yours to experience, you are not alone. Many, many others have had similar fights or are going through it right now too. It's a bond that connects us and we can lean on that bond as human's at our darkest times. Courage and strength is your crown, my friend. Keep fighting for life and I wish for health and wholeness to come your way. -- A Rose Wolf  19:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Biopsy was a piece of cake, despite my worries. What is FAR FAR worse is that I have tested covid positive and exposed a major city hospital. I am now in their isolation unit. Roxy the dog 22:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The biopsy outcome is really good news. I'll admit to having been worried about it. But that's very good news. I can certainly understand how unsettling it can be to be moved into an isolation unit, but I think you have a very good chance of kicking Covid. It's a terrible ordeal to go through what you've been going through, but I sincerely think you should feel optimistic. Hang in there, and know that a lot of us here are rooting for you! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Released from isolation yesterday evening. I've had three blood transfusions to up my heamoglobin to normal levels, and biopsy reveals no CLL evidence (it always comes back) and Pure red cell aplasia which explains the need for transfusions. Awaiting second half of biopsy results here at home where I will be very closely monitored. - Roxy the dog 09:11, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Good to hear you're home - keep strong Roxy! Bon courage (talk) 09:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it's very good that you are back home, and it sounds to me like they are monitoring closely all the right indicators. Please be of good cheer, and as Bon courage said, keep strong! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:10, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm so glad to hear you're at home again, really glad that the biopsy was ok. That sounds frightening. Incredibly unlucky to catch Covid.But I guess it's more likely in a major city than anywhere else. Keep on truckin, that's important. I'm expecting chemo again next month. Doug Weller  talk 07:13, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Pregnant people go swimming?
Seen in the Grone, they (the Grone) appear confused! Roxy the dog 16:50, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Roxy, I was thinking just the other day that I should check in with you, and see how you are feeling. But, that said, I think that your post here is going to do you no good at all, in terms of ever getting unbanned. It makes you sound like you don't get the message, and maybe don't care. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * [sighs heavily] they don’t and they don’t. Obviously. Dronebogus (talk) 10:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It's funny. Up until the hooha that got me blocked, I used to think that you, Dronebogus, were a good chap, reasonable editor, reliable, edits normally good. This, and your edit on El C's talk page, just confirms the inevitable feeling that you are a tosspot. -Roxy the dog 12:10, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Trypto, what message have I not got? Seems to me the message is "it doesn't matter what the science and facts are, that's all wrong and wikipedia is correct, and the project will continue to be that way until something is done. The Grone is normally a reliable source and yet they cannot be considered reliable for anything related to that story, and MEDRS sources for that sort of thing are astonishingly difficult to find. I do believe that these people got preggers in the normal way too !!! Isn't wikipedia supposed to reflect a mainstream scientific position? -Roxy the dog 12:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Roxy, the messages you have not gotten are that (1) your talk page access is likely to be revoked if you use it for soapboxing instead of working for an unblock, and (2) that your post has the effect of saying that you are making fun of trans people, which is the exact opposite of what you should be doing if you want to convince editors that you understand why you were blocked and want to get back in the good graces of the community. If you don't care about that, even I will oppose your unblock. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * To that point I want to add that I have always supported you and your efforts, especially when it came to MEDRS, Roxy. I also felt like we related, in a way, with our separate but similar health issues and we both wished the other well throughout our individual struggles. That being said, I see no benefit to this path for you on Wikipedia and I would be remiss for not speaking up. Tryp has tried to give you sound advice and he is yet again doing to same. No matter what your beliefs about the science of sex and gender there is no benefit to purposefully making fun of and isolating a group of people in the community. I want to see you unblocked and become productive again on the project. That's not going to happen as long as we stay here on this subject and you show a complete lack of understanding. -- A Rose Wolf  18:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? What’s wrong here? Besides “lol trans people being trans amirite”, which is the message I’m getting. Dronebogus (talk) 13:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, Roxy, you were extremely foolish to state what you think. Among Wikipedians, certain opinions are definitely not welcome. And you should have known that before getting blocked. tgeorgescu (talk) 17:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I want to add something here that I believe the discussion could have ended with Tryp's original admonishment. I believe Dronebogus needlessly escalated the discussion nearly a month after the fact, baiting Roxy into an unfortunate response, however inappropriate as it was. Roxy should know better than to fall for that, and honestly Dronebogus should too. I'm a little disappointed in both the baiting comment, which seemed trollish, and subsequent response by Roxy. -- A Rose Wolf  18:52, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that Dronebogus has deliberately raised the temperature here, as well as that Roxy should not have taken the bait. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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Reiki
Hi Roxy the dog, I see you've done plenty of edits on the Reiki page. Question: why is the Wikipedia page about Reiki mostly talking about what it isn't, instead of describing what it is? It seems most of the edits are only critical in nature, but not actually explaining anything. Why? 172.58.109.4 (talk) 14:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Why? Because there is little or nothing to explain. The lead (the introductory paragraphs before the contents list) covers the main salient points, ie that it has no basis in science or medicine and is in fact Alt Med. In fact, there is little or nothing to explain as it is worthless as a medical intervention. The text does cover the process according to true believers and reliable sources as required by our policy. Roxy the dog 11:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree.
 * The lead is very biased and with poor or incomplete information.
 * I financially support Wikipedia (just to show you how I appreciate it), and I have to say, this post leaves me thoroughly disappointed.
 * It's as if you're describing what e.g. Japanese food tastes like without ever having eaten it.
 * I urge you to reconsider. Please. 2A02:1210:3039:9300:71F4:DE49:4886:E6BA (talk) 22:24, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Or describing the smell of dimethylmercury without having smelled it? Hint: all who did died a very painful death. tgeorgescu (talk) 23:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * 2A02, if you feel strongly about this, it would be better to ask at Talk:Reiki, and be prepared to accept what other editors say there. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)