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Request on 08:33:45, 20 October 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Flauta111
Regarding my submission for Lilian ELKINGTON, please tell me what passage(s) violate copyright? It is so disheartening to be declined without giving the specific words/lines that need to be adjusted. Otherwise, please delete the offending word/line and publish it. Thank you.

Flauta111 (talk) 08:33, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I left a link on the draft comments, which should provide all the details. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:01, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Medicare cost report has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your comment, which can be viewed at Draft:Medicare cost report. Thanks! --TemiU (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:PS&R Report has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your comment, which can be viewed at Draft:PS&R Report. Thanks! --TemiU (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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Draft:Medicare cost report
Hi, Just an FYI. I'm having a discussion with the involved editor here: User talk:K.e.coffman. They appear to have a conflict of interest in the topic area. --K.e.coffman (talk) 06:52, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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Amarachi Orjinma
Please can you kindly copy/paste or move the above deleted article to my sandbox? Thanks.HandsomeBoy (talk) 19:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Restored to Draft:Amarachi Orjinma -- RoySmith (talk) 21:29, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

WP:GLAM/PMML
Thank you for taking the time to review new articles created by a new editor for WP:GLAM/PMML. This Wikiproject is currently working on WWI generals who are notable under WP:SOLDIER. But as new editors, many of whom are student interns, they may need guidance about the lede, etc. If you would be so kind as to give specific suggestions to these editors, it would be appreciated.

Also, if you have time and inclination, the project is adding Cullum numbers in Wikidata. Here's the link to the mix and match catalog: []

Again, thank you in advance for your assistance! TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:22, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. I assume you're talking about Draft:Brigadier Tom Bewick OBE?  My apologies if my comment was kind of terse.  I'll take another look in a bit and provide some more useful feedback.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, you said WWI generals, so that couldn't be Draft:Brigadier Tom Bewick OBE. Could you clarify which article you're referring to?  -- RoySmith (talk) 16:10, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Draft:George Ring Hunter was the draft to which I was referring. Thanks again for your assistance!  TeriEmbrey (talk) 16:17, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * On a different topic, I'm wondering why you didn't mention the specific article in your initial note. My talk page has a page notice banner asking people to include a link to the article in question.  Enough people don't include a link, so I'm wondering if something is wrong with how I set up the notice and it doesn't display for people.  -- RoySmith (talk) 16:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I just jumped to the end of the line. Sorry, about that.  And... Thanks for adding another comment on the draft.  It is really helpful to the interns.  TeriEmbrey (talk) 16:54, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

New Haven Line
is continually adding a deluge of useless information to New Haven Line, and refusing to discuss it at the article talk page or their user talk page. I've already reverted 3 times today and don't wish to get blocked, so I'm not sure what can be done here. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:33, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I see. I'm pretty much with Pi and Epic on this; this level of detail is not appropriate for an article about the rail line.  It may all be verifiable, but just because it's true, doesn't mean its encyclopedic.  WP:INDISCRIMINATE gives some more guidance on that.  If this can't be worked out in talk-page discussions, might I suggest that WP:3O might be useful?  -- RoySmith (talk) 00:45, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * One other thing that's worth mentioning; there's other outlets which might be more appropriate for the material. For example, I would imagine the folks on http://www.railroad.net/ would find this useful and interesting.  -- RoySmith (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the people at railroad.net probably might think this is intriguing. This info is not appropriate for Wikipedia, but just in case, I'm opening a talk page discussion. epicgenius (talk) 01:01, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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GJEL Accident Attorneys Page Deletion
Hi Roy,

I believe my page "GJEL Accident Attorneys" was unfairly marked for speedy deletion. The reason given was "unambiguous advertising," however the content was fully structured after similar pages on the list of law firms. This firm is notable for a variety of landmark cases referenced in textbooks and law courses, with citations from New York Times, US News, Wall Street Journal, Newsweek and more. This page is currently the only place on Wikipedia where these notable cases would be discussed in detail.

If the page was removed because of the list of accolades--common practice that was formatted purely as a list without any "advertising" at all--then feel free to remove it. However the rest of the page is an important and relevant source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanoverlock (talk • contribs) 03:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Nathanoverlock (talk) 03:32, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you describe any WP:COI you have? -- RoySmith (talk) 03:57, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

G4 question
Hi, coming to you to ask for advice since you're very active on deletion review matters. Through a related article on AfC, I noticed the article Dollshot was recreated by a SPA recently after a XfD in May, but I'm not sure how to check if the article substantially similar to the one that was deleted. It doesn't look like there were any new sources. Is there a way to check what the old version would have looked like without admin access, or is there a place where I can ask someone with the tools to take a look? Thank you! SportingFlyer  talk  11:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no official way for a non-admin to see deleted pages. However, you may find Deletionpedia to be of some use.  If you don't find what you need there, please ping me and I'll be glad to look for you. Asking on WP:AN is another option.  -- RoySmith (talk) 13:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find anything on Deletionpedia. Would you mind terribly taking a look? I'll use WP:AN in the future, but this feels to me a bit too minor to bring up there. SportingFlyer  talk  00:28, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I looked at the last revision (8 June 2018, at 17:46) before it was deleted because of Articles for deletion/Dollshot and compared that to the recreated article. It's almost word-for-word identical.  I'm going to go ahead and WP:G4 it.  Thanks for noticing this. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And thank you for your prompt help and advice! SportingFlyer  talk  01:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Notice
Hello! Despite closing the AfD discussion as delete, you have not deleted the page List of PlayStation 2 games with alternative display modes. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting. The XFDcloser script must have messed up somehow. I just deleted it manually. Thanks for letting me know. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:09, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Dollshot article
The Dollshot article was updated with new citations since June (BlackBook and Annie O Interview). Dollshot has received further press that resolves the issue of notability. The issue before wasn’t wording, it’s was that there weren’t enough sources proving notability. This has been resolved. Please review the article and new citations and reinstate. Artaria195 (talk) 03:26, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking at the sources in the new version, I don't believe this would pass WP:NBAND. If you wish, you could ask for a review at WP:DRV.  -- RoySmith (talk) 03:45, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * RoySmith Thank you for your response. The first suggestion on the WP:DRV page is to discuss the matter with the closing administrator, so I will begin by discussing with you. The quality of sources easily passes WP:NBAND #1. The band was featured on WNYC's Soundcheck and NPR's All Things Considered (broadcast nationally on the radio). In the previous AfD discussion, it was agreed that the WNYC and NPR citations pass, but there needed to be more. Now, the band has been featured on BlackBook, which has a circulation of 150,000. There is no doubt that this is a reliable and independent source. And, the band was interviewed recently by Annie O, a major music presenter. The interview was featured on The Standard Hotel Series, where the band performed. This too is a reliable and independent source. These sources in addition to the article in NewMusicBox surpass the citations of many other band articles in Wikipedia. Please review them again and objectively before deleting. Artaria195 (talk) 04:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I do appreciate that you discussed it with me first, but I don't think the sources you mention make a significant difference. You are welcome to ask for a review to get other opinions.  I am curious about one thing however; do you have any relationship with the band?  -- RoySmith (talk) 13:41, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * In terms of sources, what kind of source would make a difference? It seems like editors commenting on source quality are not familiar enough with the press outlets and their importance. NPR and WNYC are nationally broadcast, major media outlets (Dollshot was featured alongside Kesha in this source). BlackBook is a very prominent magazine and blog that recently did a feature on the band. NewMusicBox is the foremost publication in New Music, and they commissioned a full piece by Dollshot asking the band to talk about their music. The band was interviewed and presented by a 'venerable' music presenter (BlackBook's words not mine, so independent and objective). Not to mention the many in print album reviews and concert listings Dollshot has received. It feels like standards are being applied to this article that aren't being applied elsewhere, stemming from objections early on from a couple of editors. In terms of my relation to the band, I am a fan. I have attended many of their New York area concerts and was excited to write an article about them. I just wrote another article about Noah K that I submitted as a draft to the review process. The process in regard to this article on Dollshot at Wikipedia has been disappointing and frustrating and has at times felt like bullying from a small group of editors who do not have in depth knowledge in this field and who are intent on deleting it without giving it adequate consideration (if they aren't familiar with the sources and their quality, they should research them). There is no opinion in the article, it's all unbiased cited fact from independent high quality independent sources, which adheres to Wikipedia's guidelines. Artaria195 (talk) 01:57, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Continued at Deletion review/Log/2018 November 11 -- RoySmith (talk) 02:33, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you RoySmith. In the meantime, can you return the Dollshot article to my sandbox or other draft space? Artaria195 (talk) 04:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Given the history here, I decline to restore this. You can ask at the DRV and perhaps somebody else will be willing. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:16, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure what history you are referring to. I waited nearly 6 months to resubmit a newly written Dollshot article with new sources added, and have patiently explained my reasoning for why the sources are acceptable. In any event, I propose a compromise: to merge the Dollshot text into my article on Noah K which I've submitted as a draft to AfC. It would be helpful to have the Dollshot text to grab, so that I don't have to recreate it again. Is that something you'd be willing to accommodate? Thank you Artaria195 (talk) 00:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thita Manitkul
Hello RoySmith,

could you please restore the deleted article in my user namespace? I would like to see if there is any usable content for a new article on this person. She was a member of parliament in her country, so she is clearly notable per WP:POLITICIAN. Thank you, kind regards, --RJFF (talk) 17:18, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Restored to User:JRFF/Thita Manitkul. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Um, make that User:RJFF/Thita Manitkul :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 21:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Michael Sayman has a new comment
 I've modified the article based on your feedback and have left a comment on your comment, which can be viewed at Draft:Michael Sayman. Thanks! -- Purplehippo458 (talk) 15:38, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Noah K
Dear RoySmith, Can you please explain why you put a COI notice on my article about Noah K? The article is neutral, non-promotional, well sourced and I was not paid to write it in any way. I have made a good faith effort to resolve the notability issue with my article on Dollshot by wrapping it into the article on K who unequivocally passes WP:MUS standards. Please remove this notice, Thank you, Artaria195 (talk) 17:09, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It is obvious that you have a conflict of interest. Even if you weren't paid, it's clear you have some relationship with the band beyond simply being a fan.  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:31, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * How do we move forward? The article is completely factual, unbiased and non promotional. I have been working hard to understand how to properly write a wikipedia article so that I can continue to create them. In regards to the photo (which you mentioned on another page), it is indeed my photograph of K. I'm not sure how posting a photo that he may have used elsewhere violates any Wikipedia policy. If there is an issue with the article not being neutral enough in tone, I am happy to edit it further, but I have taken care to make sure that every line is factual and cited properly with high quality sources. Artaria195 (talk) 18:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * To start, the way we move forward is for you to fully comply with WP:COI. I did not say it wasn't your photo.  All I said was that if you had the kind of access to the subject to allow you to take what's obviously a carefully posed and lighted studio photo, you must have some relationship beyond simply being a fan of his band.  WP:COI requires that you disclose that relationship, even if you're not being paid.
 * I am a hobbyist photographer who likes to photograph musicians and artists and frequently attend concerts of experimental music and the like in the New York area. Noah asked if I would take some photos for him a couple years ago after we met at a performance, which I've done with a number of other people. Other than that, I try to attend his bands' concerts when I can. You're pressing me for an answer which I'm afraid I can't give you since I don't work for Noah or his band, nor am I a family member or close friend. Artaria195 (talk) 20:47, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If that's how you're related, then you should say that on your user page. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:18, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I just added this info to my user page. How does it work from here? thank you, Artaria195 (talk) 23:30, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The template seems pretty self-explanatory: You may request corrections on or suggest content here on the Talk page for independent editors to review -- RoySmith (talk) 00:08, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes but can the COI tag be removed from the article? Artaria195 (talk) 00:11, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No. You seem to still be resistive to learning how things work around here and instead concentrating on getting things your way.  I'm not sure what else I can tell you.  If you want to continue this discussion, someplace like WP:Teahouse might be the right place.  -- RoySmith (talk) 00:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? I answered your question as clearly as I could and did exactly as you said and posted on my user page. I've been totally compliant. I honestly thought that Dollshot had enough sources at this point to overcome the notability issue so rewrote the article and posted it. There was never an issue with wording, just with sources. I made a good faith effort to explain my rationale and when it was disagreed with, I compromised and just included a short section on Dollshot in a larger article on K. Can you clarify what you mean by "trying to get my way"? I read WP:COI and as far as I can tell there isn't an issue here. Thank you, Artaria195 (talk) 03:49, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I posted this on my user page, but since it seems relevant to our discussion I thought I post here too. In case it makes any difference, here is a link to an article on Noah from Wikipedia Germany that I came across: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Kaplan. It dates back to 2012 and has been edited by multiple editors since (last edit is from 2018). Just to show that I am not the only person interested in contributing to an article on K. Artaria195 (talk) 06:07, 15 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artaria195 (talk • contribs)

Constantine Mavroudis
You recently edited my draft article Constantine Mavroudis. This is my first submission and I am working to make it Wiki-worthy as I believe it is a worthy subject. Kindly undelete it so I can continue working on it. All feedback from editors have been very helpful. I'm still learning. Thank you. Amr247rn (talk) 04:00, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I'm not going to restore it. I assume this is actually an article about yourself?  If so, please see WP:AUTO for why that's not recommended.  This was submitted and rejected five times over the course of 16 months, it seems unlikely that further work will bring it up to standards.  -- RoySmith (talk) 10:14, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

It's actually not about myself, it is about a surgeon in my field whom I respect, there are many physicians who should have pages as they make great contributions to the health and wellness many of us experience, but who does these pages? In this case, me, and out of the respect I have in this field. I also work full time and am doing this on the side, I am a health care provider and this writing is new to me, I am working hard to learn and get this right but I don't have endless time to do it, hence the long spans between submissions. I'm trying. It is not about me, and I am trying to take the recommendations. Please undelete my work so I can revise. Starting from scratch undoes all the recommendations from previous editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amr247rn (talk • contribs) 19:29, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, not going to happen. Wikipedia is not free advertising space.  -- RoySmith (talk) 22:45, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Please remove Deletion tag from Noah K article
Dear RoySmith, please remove the deletion notice from my article on Noah K. This seems like aggressive, non-neutral editing, and the claim you make that he doesn't pass WP:MUSICBIO is clearly not true. See my response here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Noah_K. The fact is, he passes #10 immediately, since he composed music for and appeared as himself performing that music in the Once and Again episode "Chance of a Lifetime". I am a new editor to Wikipedia, and mistakenly used IMDb as the source for that when it should be the episode itself. Please remove the deletion tag as soon as possible and stop accusing me of WP:UPE when I have told you multiple times that I was not paid in any way to write the article. Artaria195 (talk) 16:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Please Explain
Hello, RoySmith, I am sorry but I looked through some of Wikipedia policies but I still do not understand why my article “Baskut Tucnak” was deleted. The guy is a UN diplomat and I added more than twenty new reliable sources to the article. So I still don’t get any lesson for my future activities on Wikipedia. I appreciate if you could explain this to me. Alex-h (talk) 09:01, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for your note. Looking over the AfD comments, the general opinion is that we need reliable independent sources that talk about him.  We've got lots of things he wrote himself, and lots of things on official UN pages, but none of those are independent.
 * You might want to look at Category:United Nations special rapporteurs for some examples of other special rapporteurs we've got articles about, and look at the kind of sourcing they've got. Be aware, however, that just because we have an article about somebody doesn't necessarily mean it meets our own sourcing requirements.  It's still worth looking at them to get a feel for things.
 * If you want, I'd be fine with restoring this to draft space so you can continue to work on it.   pinging the other participants of the AfD.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No opinion by me, I was just the relister.  Sandstein   15:44, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There was chance to add or present sources during the AfD, which only just closed. I can't imagine that much has changed in a week.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: 13th Street Repertory Theatre has been accepted
 13th Street Repertory Theatre, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as C-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! -- RoySmith (talk) 00:20, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
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 * If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider.

Articles for deletion/Will Fowles
You were the closing (and deleting) admin on this discussion of an article I nominated for deletion. Fowles has just (relatively unexpectedly) been elected to parliament and thus become indisputably notable - would you be able to undelete this so we don't have to start from scratch? The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Draft:Will Fowles.  -- RoySmith (talk) 03:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Pomona Electronics for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Pomona Electronics is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Pomona Electronics until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. SL93 (talk) 20:53, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of Richie Williamson
Hello RoySmith, I am reaching out regarding: Articles for deletion/Richie Williamson closed on 4 October 2018. As a new user, I took additional time to review the guidelines and content presented. I would like to appeal the conclusion and discuss any additional options regarding Deletion Review, including the ability to bring the article into  Articles for Creation for additional assistance in improving the page. It seems this AfD discussion was subject to WP: MAJORITY or WP: EVERYONEELSE. The motions for DELETE largely addressed WP:GNG and in response, I was able to provide additional sources and contextual information to respond to each participant in the discussion. Unfortunately, there was no acknowledgement or guidance around the additional content that was presented, which resulted in a conclusion based on the original nominator's concerns (without acknowledgement of the ways it was addressed). I hope you will consider these reasons and provide direction for next steps. Thank you, Rachel Kauffman 17:17, 21 October 2018 (UTC) (talk)
 * thanks for your note. I don't remember the details of this, but looking at Articles for deletion/Richie Williamson, the problem was that people felt the sourcing wasn't enough to meet WP:CREATIVE.  More specifically, people said that while Williamson was mentioned in various sources, there weren't sources which talked primarily about him.  For example, while The NY Times is certainly considered a good source in general, the article you cited isn't actually about Williamson.  It's about major show at The Met, which includes some of Williamson's work.  Williamson gets a single sentence.   I'm going to go ahead and restore this to Draft:Richie Williamson so you can work on it.  Your suggestion that AfC can give you additional assistance in improving the page is a good one.  My suggestion is that your first task should be to put in some quality time with the search engines, find everything you can about Williamson, and then evaluate each potential source against WP:NCREATIVE.  Be careful to distinguish between sources that are about the subject vs ones that simply mention the subject in a larger context.  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:44, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * yes, working in draft space is the way to go about it, much more likely to give a successful result than Deletion Review. If you can find enough sources, it will be accepted; but you need to realize the possibility that you may not find agreement that they will be enough.  DGG ( talk ) 18:07, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Responding to ping - I started a discussion on the talk page. Draft talk:Richie Williamson Basically, I still don't see notability. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  20:31, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the additional feedback you have provided and the restoration of this article to Draft Space. I am actively working on researching additional sources as you mentioned and I have added the template to submit the draft to Articles for Creation. If you have any further guidance as to how to strengthen the page, it would be welcome. I am also in the process of addressing any concerns that have arisen regarding WP:GNG and WP:Creative and am reviewing Wikipedia policy on these guidelines to ensure compliance.
 * Thank you,
 * Rachel Kauffman 22:56, 28 October 2018 (UTC) (talk)
 * Hi ,
 * As per your suggestion, after adding an additional source and continuing to gather further research and sources to share in the AfC process, I nominated Draft:Richie Williamson for Articles for Creation. Based on my understanding of the "peer review" nature of WikiProject Articles for Creation, I nominated the article in hopes that the AfC community would be able to assist in the contribution of sources and input to strengthen the page. Once I submitted the page, it entered a queue of slightly under 3,000 pages awaiting review and was ultimately declined on November 4th, 2018 by user talk:frayae. Upon further review, I noticed that the user who declined the page has been blocked and the account has been nominated for permanent closure due to WP:HSOCK.
 * I wanted to circle back to you with this information in hopes of gaining some additional guidance on appropriate next steps. I can begin work on adding the additional sources, but I am wondering if re-nomination for AfC would be best or if you recommend a different course of action. I am committed to contributing to the community and still believe this page has the merit and historical relevance to successfully develop Wikipedia's encyclopedic record.
 * Thank you
 * Rachel Kauffman 01:26, 26 November 2018 (UTC)(talk)
 * My best advice would be to continue to look for references, and resubmit after you've found some better sources. Please note that I said better sources, not just, more sources.  Three really solid sources will usually do more to impress reviewers than a whole pile of marginal sources.  The generic advice I give people at WP:THREE might be of some use to you.
 * I know that your most recent reviewer was blocked, but looking at his review, I don't see any reason it should be discounted because of that. You could resubmit it for review immediately, but I don't think that would be your best course of action.  The odds are, whoever reviews it next will say something like, not substantially improved since the last time it was declined, and that won't be useful.  I know it can be frustrating how chaotic the review process on wikipedia can be.  About all I can say in its defense is that somehow it works out in the end.
 * I should also point out that articles about living people are especially difficult to get accepted. See WP:BLP for some of the reasons.  In addition to that, there's usually the assumption that any article about a living person is being written for the purpose of promotion and probably involves a conflict of interest.  See WP:COI for more about that.  -- RoySmith (talk) 01:57, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this comprehensive reply. I will promptly review the pages you referenced and once I have strengthened the page, I will reach back out if further clarification would be helpful at that time. I really appreciate your on-going guidance.
 * Rachel Kauffman 02:33, 26 November 2018 (UTC)(talk)

DYK for Margaret Sibella Brown
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Request
Hello RoySmith, It’s nice of you to help me on the article “Baskut Tucnak”. I wonder if you can spare a minute and check the sources below. These are what I can find now. If these sources meet your requirements as independent, then please put the article in draft so I can add them. If not, it’s my bad luck. I don’t know what else to do. Thank you.Alex-h (talk) 12:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * UN Special Rapporteur sounds a human rights alert on toxic exposure in the workplace
 * The EU and glyphosate: it's time to put children's health before pesticides
 * UN expert urges Ffos-y-Fran opencast health inquiry
 * “No one is untouched by pesticide exposure” UN Special Rapporteur on human rights about Glyphosate
 * Grupo México tiene derecho a la impunidad por el caso de Río Sonora, señala Baskut Tuncak, relator de Naciones Unidas sobre sustancias tóxicas
 * Britain's air quality threatens children's human rights, says UN rapporteur
 * UN report expresses ‘alarm’ at UK’s air quality plan
 * PLATFORM NEWS – UN SPECIAL RAPPORTEUR CONCERNED ABOUT GERMAN SHIPBREAKING PRACTICES
 * UN Special Rapporteur Baskut Tuncak in Berlin
 * New UN report highlights Sweden as a global leader in action on chemicals
 * U.N. rights expert urges Japan to halt women and child evacuee returns to radioactive parts of Fukushima
 * At least some of these look reasonable to me, but please understand, my role in the AfD was essentially clerical.  the people who took part in the discussion are who evaluated the article and the sources.  I'll restore this to draft space, but that's no guarantee that your new sources will be deemed acceptable.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:44, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, i have added the above sources, please check again. Thank you. Alex-h (talk) 12:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said above, my role in this was clerical. What you need to do submit it for review and wait for a volunteer reviewer to take a look.  Instructions are at WP:AfC, under "Review and publishing".  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2018). Administrator changes
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 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Boson • Daniel J. Leivick • Efe • Esanchez7587 • Fred Bauder • Garzo • Martijn Hoekstra • Orangemike

Interface administrator changes
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 * Following a request for comment, the Mediation Committee is now closed and will no longer be accepting case requests.
 * A request for comment is in progress to determine whether members of the Bot Approvals Group should satisfy activity requirements in order to remain in that role.
 * A request for comment is in progress regarding whether to change the administrator inactivity policy, such that administrators "who have made no logged administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped". Currently, the policy states that administrators "who have made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped".
 * A proposal has been made to temporarily restrict editing of the Main Page to interface administrators in order to mitigate the impact of compromised accounts.

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 * To complement the aforementioned change, blocked administrators will soon have the ability to block the administrator that placed their block to mitigate the possibility of a compromised administrator account blocking all other active administrators.
 * Since deployment of Partial blocks on Test Wikipedia, several bugs were identified. Most of them are now fixed. Administrators are encouraged to test the new deployment and report new bugs on Phabricator or leave feedback on the Project's talk page. You can request administrator access on the Test Wiki here.

Arbitration
 * Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections is open to eligible editors until Monday 23:59, 3 December 2018. Please review the candidates and, if you wish to do so, submit your choices on the voting page.

Miscellaneous
 * In late November, an attacker compromised multiple accounts, including at least four administrator accounts, and used them to vandalize Wikipedia. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. Sharing the same password across multiple websites makes your account vulnerable, especially if your password was used on a website that suffered a data breach. As these incidents have shown, these concerns are not pure fantasies.
 * Wikipedia policy requires administrators to have strong passwords. To further reinforce security, administrators should also consider enabling two-factor authentication. A committed identity can be used to verify that you are the true account owner in the event that your account is compromised and/or you are unable to log in.

Obituaries
 * (Raymond Arritt) passed away on 14 November 2018. Boris joined Wikipedia as on 8 May 2006 and was an administrator from 30 July 2007 to 2 June 2008.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Changing title of Druid Hills Baptist Church
Hi Roy,

You rejected the new page I proposed for the Church at Ponce and Highland. You said there existed a page previously: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druid_Hills_Baptist_Church

Unfortunately that page has the wrong title. It needs to be Church at Ponce and Highland. The church is no longer called Druid Hills Baptist Church.

Instead of the inaccurate old name in the title and a small note in the body, my proposal was to put the correct name in the title and mention the prior name in the body.

Unfortunately you rejected this solution. Can we instead change the title of the Druid Hills Baptist Church page? I see no option to do so.

The failure of Wikipedia to reflect the church name everywhere else (google, etc) is a source of confusion.Wanderwrite (talk) 16:43, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for your note. I didn't realize what was going on when I first declined the draft.  I now see that you left an explanatory note in the edit history when you first created the draft, but I didn't notice that.  My apologies for the confusion.  Very new users (accounts that were created less than four days ago and/or have less than 10 edits) cannot move pages.  For future reference, the instructions for doing so are at Moving a page.  In the meantime, I've verified the name change, have added a reference for that, and I'll go ahead and do the rename in a few minutes.  -- RoySmith (talk) 19:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * PS, I'll leave it to you to clean up the rest of the text. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Revisit Request
Dear RoySmith, I wanted to see if you'd be willing to take another look at the article I contributed to on Noah K and its AfD discussion page. All of the issues you addressed on the AfD page have been addressed in good faith. A prominent Jazz contributor to Wikipedia has made several significant edits to the article and improved it substantially. I have continued to research sources on K and have added important ones to the article. As is explained on the AfD page, K meets WP:MUSICBIO #5 because of his two albums on HatHut Records. The quality sources (Downbeat, Irish Times, New York City Jazz Review, WNYC, etc.) provide additional support. You mentioned doing a search of "New York City newspapers which might cover local talent . . . NY Times, Daily News, NY Post, Village Voice, and DNA Info." From my research and experience following jazz, after the NYTimes who significantly scaled back their jazz coverage, The NYC Jazz Record is the most prominent "local" jazz coverage in NYC. DownBeat Magazine (cited twice) remains the most influential and prominent jazz media coverage, akin to RollingStone in rock. here is a book about that published by Oxford. K has appeared in multiple important international music publications as well. I have worked on this article in good faith and it has now been edited by other editors. The two "keep" votes on the AfD are both by very serious Wikipedia Jazz editors who work extensively on WikiJazz Project. I appreciate your thoughtful consideration on this, and thank you Artaria195 (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Please stop pestering me and other people about this on our talk pages. You've made your arguments at Articles for deletion/Noah K.  Continuing to canvass people with targeted messages is not appropriate.  -- RoySmith (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I wasn't intending to pester or canvas but only to continue the discussion since it was relisted last week and no one has posted since. I was hoping that you and other editors who voted "delete" might reconsider given the thorough discussion of #5, the revisions and the source additions. With one exception, all "delete" votes simply say "delete per nom" without any explanation and it seems no one has updated their opinion in light of the thoughtful and guideline based revisions and discussion to the contrary. I am simply hoping to resolve this in a clear and fair manner. I've complied with everything you've asked, so was hoping you'd be willing to review your initial objections. Thank you, Artaria195 (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * In a continuing effort to be polite, yet trying to make my point clear, I request that you stop posting messages to my talk page on this topic. Thank you.  -- RoySmith (talk) 21:48, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for John Iadarola
An editor has asked for a deletion review of John Iadarola. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Trackinfo (talk) 06:19, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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