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Tech News: 2019-27
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Recent changes
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 * Wikidata query service was overloaded between 11:50 UTC until 13:15 UTC on June 24. It has been fixed.

Changes later this week
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Tech News: 2019-28
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Recent changes
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Meetings
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Future changes
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hi
This is regarding Draft:Chaudhary Fateh Singh Ji Jagatpur, I have done some edits and toned down the copy, please check them. thanking you Jayanagas (talk) 06:19, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Thorn/Toruń
Either way could technically work, although I've yet to see a source label it by its German name. However, if you see that as the best way to link it to similar articles, I'd be perfectly fine with having every mention of the word Toruń replaced with Thorn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaFrenchyy (talk • contribs) 15:42, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Request on 14:06:55, 15 July 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Simpkin98
Simpkin98 (talk) 14:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey
👋 I need your help with my new article! Indresimkun (talk) 14:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-29
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Recent changes
 * The mobile web will get more advanced editing tools. Seven more Wikipedias can use them now. This works for Arabic, Indonesian, Italian, Persian, Japanese, Spanish and Thai Wikipedia. You can try the tools on the mobile web and give feedback.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-tools.svg The abuse filter system user will soon do maintenance edits on broken abuse filters. This user is called   and has administrator rights. This is meant to fix technical problems. It will not do any other changes. You can read more.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 July. It will be on all wikis from 18 July (calendar).

Meetings
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Future changes
 * The Wikipedia app for Android will invite users to add image captions to images on Commons. It will only invite users who have added a number of edits in the app without being reverted. This is to avoid spam and bad edits. You can read more and leave feedback.

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Editing News #1—July 2019
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 * 3) * The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
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Workarea Commerce Platform
RoySmith, I am a different user than and will pursue the company page creation by following the suggestions found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations

Thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Btillcom80

Btillcom80 (talk) 15:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Workarea Commerce Platform - Deletion
Hi Roy, Thank you for taking the time to review my article draft.

I noted the both Magento and Shopify have pages and Workarea Commerce Platform is a competitor that currently does not have a wikipedia page, I decided to make one. I recognize that citing sources is very important, so that's why is helping me edit sources. I noticed that both Magento and Shopify look to have been written by people who work there, both with notes that their pages may not comply with wikipedia guidelines. There is no intention to be promotional. What are the appropriate actions to create a page for Workarea Commerce Platform? I'd be happy to remove any language that might sound promotional. I am new to wikipedia and am learning. I appreciate your feedback.

JakeTarma (talk)


 * Every page is evaluated on its own merits. The fact that other companies have pages isn't a factor.  Please read WP:COI for some guidance.  My personal policy is to simply not write about companies I'm associated with.  I think that's a good policy for everybody to adopt, and urge you to do the same.  -- RoySmith (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Regarding your Block...
Hi, you recently blocked User:The_Real_Steele and I was wondering what made you decide to do that? The user in question, has not edited since December of last year and from the look of it, they were just a bit of a clueless newbie rather than something malicious to the Wiki. What are your thoughts on this? I noticed the action because they were someone I dealt with back then and I check my watchlist everyday, even though I don't edit that much any more. Thanks in advance. -&#61;Troop&#61;- (talk) 22:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * They just submitted User:The Real Steele/sandbox, which is basically their resume. Looking at their history, they've submitted this several times, in various places, and that's the only thing they've ever done.  Not to mention the promotional username.  -- RoySmith (talk) 22:59, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't notice that. Thanks for pointing that out and keep up the good work of blocking those spammers. Best wishes! -&#61;Troop&#61;- (talk) 23:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-30
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Recent changes
 * Communities interested by easing newcomers' first steps can now benefit from the Growth team experiments on their wikis. Check the conditions and the request process.
 * The Coolest Tool Award 2019 is looking for nominations. You can recommend tools by July 29. The awarded tools will be presented at Wikimania.

Problems
 * The release of the last version of MediaWiki (1.34.0-wmf.14) has been blocked for groups 1 and 2.

Changes later this week
 * Phabricator database will be moved to a different server. Writes will be blocked on Thursday 25 July, between 05:30 and 06:00 AM UTC. Reads will remain unaffected.
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From Walpola Layantha Perera
Dear Mr. Roy Smith, Thank you very much for reading my article. Today I got a message from a Wikipedia saying that my article was declined because there is another article exists under this title. But when I type Computer Reasoning it redirects me to Automated Reasoning page. I don't want to write about Automated Reasoning. I want to write about Computer Reasoning, which are two different subjects. Hence, could you please let me publish the Computer Reasoning Article? I would really appreciate if you could do so, because I am doing researches in this area, and if you could give me an opportunity, then I am planning to write much more under the Computer Reasoning title in this Wikipedia article page.

Thank you very much for your precious time and considerations.

Have a good day Mr.Roy Smith!

Respectfully, Walpola Laynatha Perera — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walpola Layantha Perera (talk • contribs) 09:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll reply to this on the Articles for creation/Help desk. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Request on 18:36:33, 22 July 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Williamword
Hi -- would like further direction on Draft:GFP_Real_Estate. I drafted it using inspiration and format from Silverstein_Properties, though expanded on it with research and articles I found, including NYT articles back to 1981. Should I strip it back? Unclear where to take this, especially when you benchmark it to other NY property companies where it seems to me to be really similar. If not, then there seem to be mixed standards for what should be included. Thanks in advance.

Williamword (talk) 18:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You didn't respond to my implicit query about WP:COI, so I'll be more explicit here. Are you being paid to write this article?  Do you have any relationship with the subject of the article?  -- RoySmith (talk) 00:00, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Request on 09:54:07, 24 July 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Meneer
On my draft iWelcome page you reacted: 'This is a small, privately held, company. Such companies are rarely notable. Based on the references here, this one seems like no exception. It certainly fails WP:NCORP. There's been no substantial improvement since the last time this was declined. Please do not resubmit without sources which meet the requirements laid out in WP:ORGCRIT.'

I care to disagree. For US readers outside the infosec or Identity And Access Management realm this may be a small company, in the Information Security world CIAM vendors are part of an ever growing market. This Dutch company (I am not related to it apart from the fact that I, as one of the experts in IAM know and respect them) is highly regarded by the De Facto IT Analists like Gartner and KuppingerCole (proof of this are the links to articles I posted in the article. Another link is a Forrester Research analysis I will add later, but I cannot accept that adding one such a link would make me pass the moderator threshold). I can add another customer, like the European Central Bank and/or RWE/Innogy, the EU energy conpany, would that make it a more noticable company for US eyes?

I try to be unbiased in my additions to wikipedia and expect my peers to act similar. And the comments you made trigger me to start editing the pages of competing firms, which, in many cases, are less informative and more biased than the page I created.

I also disagree about the statement that too few changes have been made compared to the previous submissions.

My request is to reconsider the refusal to publish.

Meneer (talk) 09:54, 24 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:NCORP to understand by what criteria we judge companies to be notable. The reason I stated that these kinds of companies are rarely notable was so as not to unduly get your hopes up that if you just did a little editing or added a few sources, the article would be accepted.  -- RoySmith (talk) 20:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Possible sock
Jacobz1 (talk&#32;• contribs. The pattern is pretty similar to Zinzoo01 (contribs), jumping right into AfD's including "keep" on one of the same ones. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:42, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's possible. My suggestion would be to open a case at Sockpuppet investigations/حمید میرزایی, and let the checkusers look into it.  -- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Request on 14:31:32, 25 July 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Kthan75
Hello

Thank you for the review of my page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amber_Studio After the first reviewer rejected my submission, I made several updates and added several new sources. I paste below my last exchange with the previous reviewer, where things seemed to be headed on the right track.

- Kthan75, please see if you can find some more sources. The first one you posted and the VentureBeat one is promising. I found a wall-street.ro one that has some details as well. Also I removed the services section as that didn't add much. Can you review the tone of the article so that it is not advertising in nature? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, thanks a lot for the quick feedback. I found several other sources which seem quite good (check [6] and [8]), including a major piece by a local TV channel, written and video, with interviews from several people from the company. I also added a bit to the history, thanks to some additional information from the new sources. Finally, I made some slight corrections and revisions to the text, to give a more neutral tone. I hope it's ok now, I resubmitted the draft. -

If I have to pick, the top three sources for the subject are: [1] - an independent article about the games industry in Romania, which includes mentions of the company I was writing about [2] - an independent article and interview from a very reputable international publication [6] - an in-depth video material and interviews from a reputable news television in Romania (unfortunately, only in Romania)

Additionally, I would mention also [11] as a fully independent source (the Bucharest Stock Exchange) mentioning the company as a recipient of an award.

There were quite a few other small changes made to the initial article, including changing of the tone of voice and removing some less relevant info. If needed, I am available to make any other required changes, but would need to understand better what else would be needed.

Sorry if I'm missing something, this is my first Wikipedia submission.

Thanks for your support!

Kthan75 (talk) 14:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

---

UPDATE 26/July/2019 I made some changes to the History section and added one more independent source. At this point, I believe I have 3 relevant independent references: [1] - Intellinews, [11] - Bucharest Stock Exchange, [12] - Romanian Game Developers Association.

I also recommend reviewing references [2] and [6], even though they are interviews, they are more in-depth and reveal a lot of important information about the company.

Before resubmitting again, it would be great to get your confirmation that the submission should be fine now.

Thanks!


 * as I said on the draft, I'm going to leave this to somebody else to re-review. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:51, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Bhoot Police
Hello, I just want to tell you that an article Bhoot Police was deleted by you after a deletion discussion, as the filming had not started that time. But the filming will begin next week. So I would like to request you to restore it, so that I could expand it. Mr. Smart  LION  05:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've restored this to User:Sandbox/Bhoot Police User:Mr. Smart LION/sandbox/Bhoot Police.  -- RoySmith (talk) 00:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-31
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Problems
 * Wikidata will be in read-only mode on 30 July from 05:00 to 05:30 UTC because of a server switch.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 July. It will be on all wikis from 1 August (calendar).

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Draft:Mary Jane Simes
Hi RoySmith, I was browsing AfC and came across this draft. Since your initial review comment, has added sources and the draft appears to now satisfy WP:ARTIST The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.  Is it ok with you if I move it to the main space? AugusteBlanqui (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, my, this is embarrassing. I see the additional sources I asked for were added the day after I left my comment, but I had failed to watch the page so I didn't notice.  My apologies for that.  I'll go ahead and accept the draft right now.  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles for creation - advice
Hi RoySmith,

I just saw your message on my Talk page on the Draft:Ron Kalifa draft I submitted way back in March. Firstly, thanks for reviewing it.

You reviewed the submission as rejected, not declined - does this mean it can't be improved anymore? When I first edited the page it was definitely a mess, but looked like it could be rescued. I like going through these pages and trying to fix them but if I'm going to spend a lot of time I do try to work on ones that have actual encylopedic potential and aren't just a weird advert. I haven't found a lot of those as you can imagine ...

I tried to follow the WP:ORGIND recommendations made to the original author who seems to have disappeared - after seeing your message I reread the WP guides on this and i agree, a few sources could be deleted, but nothing can be fixed if the article is rejected. I think that the page subject does pass WP:NBIO - without trying to get into WP:OTHERSTUFF or WP:NMO arguments, this individual has been recognized as well known and influential in the payments industry in honors lists and independent news sources even if they aren't the explicit topic of the article. WP:SBEXTERNAL may also be a factor due to the relative lack of coverage of BAME figures in this industry (though they have been recognized in BAME specific lists).

Is there a way to improve the article rather than reject it? I think this is a notable stub article that will likely improve with time rather than being contrary to the whole project goals (since March anyway).

No pineapple on Pizza (talk) 16:51, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I've responded at Teahouse. And, for what it's worth, I like pineapple on pizza.  Sorry.  -- RoySmith (talk) 19:19, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I made this last night. Yum.  -- RoySmith (talk) 22:24, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft: Elion Partners Rejected
--- Hello, I am wondering why the draft was rejected? There was no feedback stated. I don't have the page to provide a link to anymore.
 * The page was deleted under WP:G11 because it only served to promote a company. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:33, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

-- Thank you for the response; within the statute cited "This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to conform with Wikipedia:NOTFORPROMOTION. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. Note: Any article that describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion. However, "promotion" does not necessarily mean commercial promotion: anything can be promoted, including a person, a non-commercial organization, a point of view, etc."

I'm confused as to what part of the article was fundamentally written as a promotion? Was it the format? The citations? Was it the right hand panel?

According to the above - there are quite a few pages that would be listed as promotion (i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadre_(company))

Just to add to this for context because the page doesn't exist anymore - could you point out where the promotion or non-neutral aspect lies in the content?

About

Elion Partners is an American real estate investment firm based in Miami, Florida. As a vertically integrated platform, Elion Partners serves as both a fiduciary to its capital partners and operator of its real estate assets. The firm manages a portfolio of more than US$2 billion in industrial, multifamily and retail properties across the United States.

History

Elion was founded in 2010 as an institutional grade investment platform. The firm is headquartered in Miami, Florida, with an additional office in New York City. As of 2019, Elion has managed $2 billion in gross real estate assets, and has invested in more than 120 properties.
 * Do you have some connection to the company? I'm assuming you do.  I'm also assuming, based on your detailed knowledge of our arcane policies, that you've been involved with wikipedia in ways beyond what your limited editing history would imply.  Have you edited using other accounts before?  -- RoySmith (talk) 20:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

-- Thank you for your response - that is actually flattering :D no - I'm not connected to the company but I am in the property technology space (hence the linkage to Cadre up above) as I was doing my own research I noticed they didn't have a page; as for your assumption on detailed knowledge of Wikipedia policies, it's a matter of reading. I don't know if you noticed but the activity on my profile breaks for a few days because I had to read the ridiculous amounts of pages (good articles / tips / policies). Hence why I'm curious on what was the issue with the content as I was positive I wrote it in a neutral matter with no bias.

-- Good morning, is there anything else which I could help clarify so that we could come to a resolution or progress in a civil matter? I'm trying to learn here and I hope to see some constructive feedback so that it aligns with Wikipedia's guidelines.

"We strive for articles that document and explain major points of view, giving due weight with respect to their prominence in an impartial tone. We avoid advocacy and we characterize information and issues rather than debate them. In some areas there may be just one well-recognized point of view; in others, we describe multiple points of view, presenting each accurately and in context rather than as "the truth" or "the best view". All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy, citing reliable, authoritative sources, especially when the topic is controversial or is on living persons. Editors' personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions do not belong."

The article posted is about a company which - out of 22 million US Companies (according to the IRS) has over $1 billion and that in turn puts it somewhere in the 1,922 group cited by Forbes - yet it has no Wikipedia presence. That is a notable omission and having information on them would be a notable contribution. I would also like to emphasize on that last sentence "Editors' personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions do not belong." considering that you assumed (interpreted) that A. I have a connection to the company B. That I have prior history of Wikipedia and C. That I am creating various profiles.

Please let me know what portion of what I wrote was "promotional" and "not neutral" - if it helps, we can move the content to a userspace so that it can be revised with your feedback.

Warm regards (talk) 10:02, August 1 2019 (UTC)
 * Who is "we"? -- RoySmith (talk) 14:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

-- "We" is me and you. Considering I can't bring the page back on my own and you haven't explained your stance for deletion and you won't be re-writing the page, it would take more than just myself. So, me + you = we. (talk) 13:28, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Small favour
Could you please check to see if Cindy Ball-Malone falls under WP:G4? I'm almost certain I can't see previously deleted articles. Thanks! SportingFlyer  T · C  06:18, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Unclear. It's very close.  My personal opinion is that it meets the substantially identical requirement, but there are some, with stricter interpretations of G4, who would argue that it's not.  My suggestion is bring it back to AfD.  -- RoySmith (talk) 12:46, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. I've gone ahead and added a WP:G4 tag - if it gets removed I'll AfD it. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Johnuniq • Kosack • Valereee
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Ad Orientem • Ched • Gadfium • Jonathunder • Nick • Yelyos
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Bald Zebra • Beetstra • Doug Bell • Journalist • Ruud Koot • Splash • Voice of Clam

Interface administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Dinoguy1000

CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg RickinBaltimore

Oversight changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Beeblebrox
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg RickinBaltimore

Guideline and policy news
 * Following a request for comment, the page Office actions has been changed from a policy page to an information page.
 * A request for comment (permalink) is in progress regarding the administrator inactivity policy.

Arbitration
 * Editors may now use the template Ds/aware to indicate that they are aware that discretionary sanctions are in force for a topic area, so it is unnecessary to alert them.

Miscellaneous
 * Following a research project on masking IP addresses, the Foundation is starting a new project to improve the privacy of IP editors. The result of this project may significantly change administrative and counter-vandalism workflows. The project is in the very early stages of discussions and there is no concrete plan yet. Admins and the broader community are encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page.
 * The new page reviewer right is bundled with the admin tool set. Many admins regularly help out at Special:NewPagesFeed, but they may not be aware of improvements, changes, and new tools for the Curation system. Stay up to date by subscribing  here to the NPP newsletter that appears every two months, and/or putting the reviewers' talk page on your watchlist. Since the introduction of temporary user rights, it is becoming more usual to accord the New Page Reviewer right on a probationary period of 3 to 6 months in the first instance. This avoids rights removal for inactivity at a later stage and enables a review of their work before according the right on a permanent basis.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Create articles
Hi. I saw that You have moved my sandbox article Draft:Walfrid Lehto to a draft page, thanks for that. I'm quite new around here (but I have long experience of writing on Swedish Wikipedia), so I wonder, how long time does it usually take for a new user to create articles by him/her self? What should I do to receive that right? Lantgård (talk) 13:21, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * the normal situation is a new user automatically gets the ability to create new pages after four days and ten edits. See WP:CONFIRM for details.  That's just an anti-spam measure; I don't see any problems with what you're doing, so I've gone ahead and granted you the "confirmed user" right manually. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, is this a translation of an existing article from another language wiki? If so, you'll want to read Translation for some notes about how we do that.  In particular, you'll want to make sure you've provided the proper attribution.  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:29, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for Your help. No, it's not a translation. I've created articles about Walfrid Lehto and other Finnish-American singers on Swedish and Finnish Wikipedia, I've saved my references at my computer so now I'm just writing them at En.WP as well. Lantgård (talk) 14:37, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-32
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 August. It will be on all wikis from 8 August (calendar).

Problems
 * A change in RelatedArticles extension accidentally enabled it for everyone, not just for mobile users. This has been fixed.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 7 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Today everyone can see IP addresses if someone edits without an account. In the future this could be more hidden. This is to protect unregistered editors so fewer can see their IP address. This would only happen after we make sure the tools for vandal fighting can still be effective. You can read more and comment.

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Shirin Shila
Dear RoySmith, Shirin has acted as significant roles in multiple notable films. But, the page was deleted. I think, according to Wikipedia rule the page should be on Wikipedia.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 13:45, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You're talking about Articles for deletion/Shirin Shila (2nd nomination). The applicable guideline would be WP:ENT.  It was pretty clear that most people at the AfD felt this was not met.  -- RoySmith (talk) 13:52, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Dear RoySmith, she is a film actor. I will talk 2 users (PhobosCarlos and Harshil) had said about deletion.
 * PhobosCarlos had said to keep her article on Bangla Wikipedia not in English Wikipedia as lack of English sources. But it is not mandatory to provide English sources.
 * Harshil is nomited AFD in elected articles of MPs, MLAs and other strong keep article on Wikipedia. You can see his/her user log. May be, he doesn't have enough knowledge about Wikipedia.
 * In Wikipedia AFD is not an election. My logics were unanswered in Articles for deletion/Shirin Shila (2nd nomination).--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 14:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: John Scudder Adkins has been accepted
 John Scudder Adkins, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! -- RoySmith (talk) 17:13, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_talk/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=John_Scudder_Adkins help desk] .
 * If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider.

Regional at Best
You cited my draft, Regional at Best (Twenty One Pilots album) was a duplicate of the other and that's why it was declined. However, our drafts our completely different despite covering the same topic. the other only covers the discontinuation while mine covers that, the background, the promotions, and future of the album. I ask that you please reconsider.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Regional_at_Best_(Twenty_One_Pilots_album)#Regional_at_Best

-K-popguardian (talk) 06:11, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't publish multiple articles on the same topic. See WP:CFORK for more on that.  On the other hand, please also see WP:Ownership of content; there's nothing to prevent you from merging your material into the other draft.  I should point out, however, that none of this guarantees the draft will be accepted.  WP:NALBUMS talks about notability of albums.  I'm not an expert in that area, so I won't venture an opinion on whether this album meets the guideline.  -- RoySmith (talk) 12:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Our pronunciations-in-intro pet peeve
Hey there, I just wanted to say, I strongly agree with your comment at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation about overflowing pronunciation guides (but I figured I'd reply here to avoid pulling that discussion off topic). I recently read something in the MOS about this which I took note of, because it seemed shockingly sensible and yet poorly observed. From MOS:FIRST:

Though I guess for a stub like your Likhi Range example there's not a lot of "elsewhere" places to put them. Colin M (talk) 03:45, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I wasn't aware of that MOS passage.  Thanks for pointing it out.  I'm sure I'll make use of it in the future!  -- RoySmith (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Help fixing draft
I added some more sources and references to my article. In your opinion do you think it is qualified to be a Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Let%27s_Talk_Elections

Free Republic of Verdis deletion
Us, the citizens did not vote for this to be deleted. We were against it being deleted.

Tech News: 2019-33
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Editors using the mobile website on Wikipedia can opt-in to new advanced features via your settings page. This will give access to more interface links, special pages, and tools. Feedback on the discussion page is appreciated.
 * Due to the absence of volunteer maintenance of Cologne Blue skin, the link to activate it will be hidden. The skin will still work, but editors using it are encouraged to switch to another skin.

Changes later this week
 * Due to Wikimania, there is no deployment this week.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The "Wikidata item" link will be moved from "Tools" to "In other projects" section on all Wikimedia projects, starting on August 21. Full announcement, Phabricator task.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.  18:19, 12 August 2019 (UTC)