User talk:Royalbroil/Archive15

User:Andyj288
Back at it once again. The359 ( Talk ) 18:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. I wouldn't have put up with this much garage, maybe half of that much, before I would be reporting it. I'm happy to help. Keep me informed if this happens again and I'll come up with a better solution.  Royal broil  12:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Wisconsin informational boxes
I had a minor problem with the various Wisconsin infoboxes: various villages were mislabel as towns. As you know many of the Wisconsin towns have the same names as the cities and villages-hence the confusion and mislabeling. Also many of the Wisconsin towns articles do not have any infoboxes and this adds to the confusion. As always I hope you are doing well-many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope that you're fixing both of these problems as you find them or at least keep a list. Good job!  Royal broil  02:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

WP NASCAR in the Signpost
"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject NASCAR for a Signpost article to be published this month. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 20:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Help
Inside Wikipedia, what do you do when you have two editors reverting each others revision because they want the article to be how they want? -- Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  00:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You talk about it. BTW, what you describe is called an edit war. If that doesn't work, and you are violating the 3 revert rule, you can be blocked for a bit. So yea, talk it out and see how it goes. Airplaneman   ✈  01:38, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Links: User_talk:NoseNuggets, User_talk:Nascar1996 are the discussions, I suspect. Airplaneman   ✈  01:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It hasn't worked, I am ashamed of what happen, the article is 2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series.  Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  01:41, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What both of you guys should have done is stop after about 1 or 2 reversions and talked it out. Since I'm sure that didn't work, then you both should have stopped and determined WP:CONSENSUS from others on what to do. There is a dispute resolution process but the best way is to enlist other knowledgeable editors to decide what's the best way to go about it. You should have left it alone, went to WikiProject NASCAR and gotten third, fourth, etc. opinions on how to handle it. Since waiting a few hours or days didn't matter, I don't understand what you guys were thinking was so critical about it. Since there has been no official announcement with the exact schedule, why is there anything? I suppose their could be information if a track or NASCAR has official confirmed in a press release that a date has been dropped; then the official press release should be cited. One thing that I always try to remember is that I don't own any article - even if I was the only editor and I did lots of work. If either of you is ever thinking that they're even close to be ready to become an administrator then they need to reconsider how far along they are in the process. An administrator shouldn't even blink in this situation because admins needs to be ready to deal with other people doing this destructive editing.  Royal broil  04:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series
I am not having a problem with a editor again like last time, but I am having problems. I check NASCAR.com / ESPN.com / Jayski.com to update the article. When I am not editing it IPs and other editiors with only few edits are adding unofficial items. What should be done (if anything) to stop this. Semi-Protection maybe? Leave as is? I'm not sure. -- Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  01:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you tried adding a hidden comment about it ? Show up -> . If that doesn't work, then maybe semi-protection can be considered. Airplaneman   ✈  02:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have said only add items from Jayski or ESPN or NASCAR, but no it didn't work. -- Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  02:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ I semi-protected the article, but that might not be enough since some of these users are autoconfirmed. Do you think that this is sockpuppetry? User:Trocksuk4415 has already been accused of it and I think that you should bring it up at WP:SSP. This would be a good thing for you to add to your experience. The disruptive behavior for case is the addition of unsourced speculation plus all of the editing done to the article.  Royal broil  02:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good. I'm not sure about the sockpuppetry. I'll mention one thing though, User:82ironman14 and User:ABEnstein created their acounts nine minutes between each other. Both have only NASCAR contributions. -- Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  02:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you should have it checked. It smells like sockpuppetry to me. Do the edits all follow the same pattern? Besides, there's no harm if you're wrong. The worst thing that would happen is that you'd offend a poor contributor. The case can always be rejected by the sockpuppet clerk if they feel that there isn't enough evidence. I've argued weaker cases than this and found sockpuppetry.  Royal broil  03:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, so who do you think are the sockpuppeters? -- Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  03:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Huh? You can call any of them sockpuppeteers. I would name Trocksuk4415 has the puppet master - usually the most well-known is listed. Be honest and forward - do you think that there is a pattern or do you think I'm wrong? 2 accounts created 9 minutes apart is also evidence.  Royal broil  03:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not sure. I don't know if your right or wrong, but I'll just add all of them. -- Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  03:48, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What exactly should I do? With Checkuser or without? -- Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  03:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're not convinced, then you shouldn't do anything at all.  Royal broil  03:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure either way; I try to stay out of these type of situations. -- Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  04:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

James Liddy
Would you please take a look at an article about James Liddy? He is a poet born in Ireland and taught at UW-Milwaukee. The article was copied from the reference word for word-copyright violation. This article came up new articles WP-Wisconsin-many thanks-RFD (talk) 12:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I deleted it. I had not noticed even though I saw the article! Next time you really should get it deleted immediately by following the directions at WP:CSD (Criteria for Speedy Deletion). I happened to be online when you asked. I see that someone new from northern Wisconsin (User:Jeff the quiet) photographed all of the National Register of Historic Places listings in Langlade County. I was adding categories to the images at Commons. He would be a good candidate for WP:WISCONSIN if you'd like to contact him. I already welcomed Jeff.  Royal  broil  12:49, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I welcome Jeff the unquiet. also 1014cd=unincorporated communities in Outagamie County. I hope both will join us at WP=Wisconsin. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good job, thanks! 1014cd has been coming up on my watchlist a lot lately with a bunch of work on communities in Outagamie County.  Royal broil  13:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Bristol, Kenosha County, Wisconsin
Hi! I you are well. I redirected the old town of Bristol, Kenosha County, Wisconsin to the Bristol, Wisconsin article the village of Bristol voted to annex the remaining town. Okay one of the editors revert this saying it had to be kept for historical purposes. We redirected the old town of Rochester into the Rochester, Wisconsin article when the village voted to annex the old town and there was no problems.Help-please-thank you-RFD (talk) 18:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * PS the unincorporated community of Cavour, Wisconsin was redirected to the town of Caswell in Forest County. This needs to be reverse also. Cavour has a zipcode 54511 and the article needs to be done for Cavour. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 22:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * For the first 2 cases (Bristol & Rochester), I can see points for both ways and I don't have a strong preference. This is the type of thing that needs to be discussed on talk pages and I'm surprised that the other administrator didn't discuss first. Since they're the same situation, they should be done the same. I wonder if there are precedents at WikiProject United States for the entire country. You should ask there to see.


 * Since Cavour never had an article, it's fine to redirect it to the town. If you want to write an article on Cavour, then all you have to do is edit over the top of the redirect and add the content like the zip code.


 * I'm too busy right now to work on either. I have been accumulating a lot of pictures to upload, and you'll be seeing a lot come from me over the next few months into the winter once the racing season is over. I'm leaving on next Wednesday on a vacation into Upper Michigan for 4 days - so I'll be getting even more pictures.  Royal broil  12:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Nelson Stacy
Hello! Your submission of Nelson Stacy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BabelStone (talk) 23:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:2010 Carfax 400/GA1
Hello RoyalBroil, I'm conducting yet another NASCAR GA review here :). Nascar1996 is quick to pick up on past suggestions (which is good), so I'm finding it increasingly hard to provide helpful tips for article improvement. May you please take a look if you have a minute? Thanks, Airplaneman   ✈  16:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!!! I'll be sure to take a look at Alan Kulwicki tomorrow. I don't have much FA experience, but I'll help where I can :). Airplaneman   ✈  02:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You probably caught that I reviewed the wrong article! I don't know if I'll have any more time this week to review the right article. I haven't checked my watchlist in many days and I need to do that first. I'm on vacation starting on Wednesday morning. If you do review Kulwicki - please throw the book at it - especially if it's a dictionary.  Royal broil  02:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem; I will try to implement your suggestions to 2010 Toyota/Save Mart 350 :). Airplaneman   ✈  02:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

For Kulwicki's article, do you want to open a peer review or just use the talk page? My first comment: why are there refs in the lead? Ideally, it should summarize the rest of the article; therefore, the info presented in the lead will be repeated later on. Airplaneman  ✈  19:50, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You can comment on/review AK's article's on the talk page.  Royal broil  01:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Nelson Stacy
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 18:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Royal bake?
Royalbroil? What does that mean? If you answer, may I suggest answering on my page because I don't browse others' user talk pages much. While you are at it, may I ask you a random question? I created a category but am inexperienced in that. It got nominated for deletions minutes later. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 23:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Hey again. I seen your edit to the WP:NASCAR featured content. You do not have to add them, a bot does it weekly. Just a heads up! :) -- Nascar 1996   Contributions /  Guestbook  20:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

NASCAR Newsletter August, 2010
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Bots
I decided to take sometime off from starting new articles. I had been keeping track of Roman Catholic bishops who died and then starting stubs for them. I did one for an Italian bishop and in minutes some bot came back saying it was a copyright violation. It was not-it involved some about WP's MIRROR. I got it taken care of. Is it normal to have a love-hate relationship with these bots? It is one of the few times I wanted to say something nasty to a bot but have not. Hope you are well-RFD (talk) 12:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Love/Hate is exactly right. They're great when right but you gotta hate them when they're wrong which is why humans need to object to them at times. Wikipedia mirrors are websites that do verbatim copies of Wikipedia. I am doing well but haven't had time to do anything on here. In the past 8 days I went to races 6 times to end the season right! Yesterday I left home at 6 am and drove 3 hours to Crandon for the off-road world championships all day. I drove home for 2 hours and found that Seymour's races had been rain delayed and had a lot to go. So I watched the races there for 2 hours until 11pm and got home at midnight. I have about 100 images to upload here - the same problem that I had last year at this time. I haven't checked my watchlist for 2 or 3 weeks. When I was on vacation in Upper Michigan, I saw a great view of Baraga, Michigan from Bishop Frederic Baraga's shrine (see Jack E. Anderson). The shrine is very good and the view from the shrine in breathtaking.  Royal broil  04:17, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

NASCAR results table
What is you opinion on the newer made NASCAR results legend? It is located here.  Nascar  1996   01:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would also like to ask you one more question, concerning the results legend: Do you think it should be required for all NASCAR related drivers to have one, in which is complete and useful for everyone? How should I get the word out to help contruct these very large tables? Thank you and Happy editing. ~  Nascar  1996   23:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think they should be required, optional only. They're too much work. I've seen them frowned upon in the past for featured articles because WP:NOT. My editing should picking up significantly in a month or so when the local racing scene gets done for the winter.  Royal broil  18:37, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think it would be nice to see you around more. :) After I have thought more about it, wouldn't it be required on the season articles?  Nascar  1996   18:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010 WP:NASCAR News
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Re: File:VespulaPensylvanicaWater.jpg
Hello Royalbroil: I am no expert. I replaced the image with one that has been identified by three people who know more than me because somebody expressed concern about: File:VespulaPensylvanicaWater.jpg. It was as a result of a discussion in Bugguide.net:. I do not know the identity of the wasp in question, so you may want to ask that question in the forum mentioned above; also, you may want to tell the young man who was so upset at Wikipedia what you think about it. Best wishes. --Polinizador (talk) 01:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC) "Thanks for letting me know.  Royal broil  00:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Golden Submarine
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Help
Hi. I'm a native speaker of Spanish, so my English is not good. I need your help. I wonder if you be so kind to tell me what the correct name of this school is. This is its talk page. Thank you! Aaha (talk) 00:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks
Many thanks for the photos for the article on the Shrine of Our Lady of Good Hope. Bishop Ricken formed a commission to look into the Marian apparations of Sr. Adele. I would not be too surprise if the shrine is made a minor basilica. I am starting to write articles again and the bots are quiet as far as I am concern. The former Wisconsin Superintendent of Public Instruction Barbara Thompson died recently so I started an article. I hope you are well-RFD (talk) 15:26, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The Shrine was very nice, I'm glad I went there on the way to the Fall Special races at nearby Luxemburg Speedway. I was meaning to thank YOU for the great expansions you did to those articles that I just created. Maybe we can meet next weekend at the nice little chapel when I come to your town. We should talk offline by email.  Royal broil  03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

2010 IndyCar Series
Why hello there, Royalbroil; just a quick question for you to consider. I have edited the IndyCar season infobox for the capability to include the new oval/road champions that the series has seemingly introduced to the series (like so). However, another user has employed a break way of showing the champions. Which method is more suitable, in your opinion? Kind regards, Cs-wolves  (talk)  22:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You might not need to worry; another user prefers the parameters. :) Cs-wolves  (talk)  23:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Notable people in city/town articles
Lately I have seen a lot of additions to city articles where people have been adding to the "notable people" section. My thought was that a notable person for a city, should be someone who did something notable TO/FOR the city. eg.. A mayor, the founder, a major leader, etc. But looking at the people added, we are adding anyone that had anything at all to do with a city: Were born there, lived there for 2 years of their life, played football there for 3 years, or owns a fancy home there. How are these things "notable" to THE CITY? Do you have any guidance from wikipedia on what we should be doing with this. If we keep going this way, the "notable" section of city articles will be huge. Should we start organizaing the "notable people" section into subcategories? Thanks. Jjegers (talk) 18:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * In the Milwaukee, Wisconsin in the notable section, it is divided into subsections:those who were born and raised in Milwaukee, etc. From my own experience, you have someone from a town, village, unincorporated community, who became notable. The person may have moved away from the area, but still the place they came from should have some mention of they being born or raised there. Some editors used: Notable natives and residents instead of Notable people. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 19:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * My experience has not been limited to the people that you suggest, Jjegers. It's those people that have been a resident in the community. For a small community with a few thousand people, this works very well. For an example of what to do about cities, I like looking at Denver which is a Good Article. So the criteria used in List of people from Denver is exactly as I suggest. You can organize the list into subcategories if it is necessary. Thanks, RFD!  Royal broil  03:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

The Holyland Wisconsin
You may want to look at the Holyland article you created; some one added some additional information. It looks okay but needs citations-Thanks-RFD (talk) 19:34, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Four Corners, Wisconsin
There are 2 Four Corners, Wisconsin-one in Burnett County and the other in Monroe County. That was the reason I made the changes. How mmany more Four Corners are there in the State of Wisconsin? Thanks-RFD (talk) 11:39, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Trempealeau
Did you enjoy Trempealeau? I love that area. Thanks for getting those photos. Jonathunder (talk) 22:43, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The area is AWESOME - I even spent a night there. The sunset over the river bluffs was great. Even better was silhouette pictures of a train parked in town at dusk. Sadly it was parked because some died just down the tracks which made news all over the state. I got some great pictures of Trempealeau Mountain early the next morning with the sun at my back and its reflection in the river, more at the Trempealeau National Wildlife Refuge. I have usable shots all the way from the center of Wisconsin to the Mississippi River on two different paths - easily over 100 total to upload. I've been naming them for the past evenings and figuring out what I got. I photographed several places in Winona which may be improvements on what exists - I need to check it out yet. There are a bunch in southwest Minnesota down to I90 including beautiful fall leaves shots for a scenic drive article that I want to write for DYK.  Royal  broil  03:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Rib Mountain
Good morning-on the Rib Mountain Census-designated place article-the community was designated a census-designated place by the United States Census Bureau. It is near Wausau. Rib Mountain is an unincorporated community with the CDP designation by the census bureau. Nyttend has been working on the CDP articles. They could be change with the 2010 census results coming out. You could download the article there or the town of Rib Mountain article-Many thanks-RFD (talk) 11:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Adminship
I've thought about becoming an admin myself for a while; I think it would be helpful with new page patrol (and a few other things), and I think I have enough experience for it, but I wanted someone else to nominate me. If you're willing to nominate me, I accept your nomination; please draw up your nomination for me. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have accepted your nomination, answered the initial questions, and transcluded the nomination; thank you again for nominating me. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 22:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (October)
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Past thoughts
I might have asked you this before, but do you believe the individual race articles are notable? I was reading through this discussion. Then, I said to myself, I'm still having people say the races are not notable. I'm wondering because before I retire from editing I'm wanting to know if my hard work was appreciated.  Nascar  1996   01:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That was several years ago and things have changed a lot since then. As long as there is coverage in multiple independent reliable sources then it meets WP:NOTE. There are a lot of race articles in the major racing series, especially Formula One and the Indy 500. Your work is appreciated! I hope that you're not thinking about retiring any time soon! I was hoping that my current review of Alan Kulwicki would be the final straw before it gets nominated again for Featured Article - and I was hoping that you'd be willing to work with me on addressing the comments! Should I be concerned?  Royal broil  01:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No I'm not retiring any time soon (hopefully). I will help you on the Kulwicki article, and I better add it to my watchlist. If you see my number of edits decreasing a lot don't be concerned; I do have schooling seven hours during a day, then I have some real life things that I have to deal with to. Last, I added out todo template to the talk page template (Template:WikiProject NASCAR), do you think we needed it on there? I looked at other projects, and most of them do have it.  Nascar  1996   01:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Phew, you had me worried! Real life definitely is more important, that's why I am not able to spend as much time here any more. I do like the To Do list addition to the template! I've noticed it on many other WikiProjects too. Yes, please add AK to your watchlist. I plan to give it another try before tackling any other major projects. I'm holding off on a DYK article that is nearly ready, plus I have about 340 images to upload. I'm planning to take several more trips to photograph the historic places in nearby counties before snow covers everything, so I have at most 1 month.  Royal broil  03:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That is a lot of images that you have to upload. Also, I have added AK to my watchlist.  Nascar  1996   10:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all of your help in the past and present. If you havn't noticed look, I made it!  Nascar  1996   00:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Driver name removal
Hi. I want to ask you few moments, why you remove one of the driver name added by Videogamer13 at other notable driver section on Championship Off-Road Racing page last month? --Gtabigfan2010 (talk) 08:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a fair question to ask me. Lists often become bloated by people adding their friend's name even if it's true or false. So I critically looked at the addition to see if this is a major driver who needed and article but didn't have one. Since I followed the series during its entire existence and never heard of him, I assessed that it was either vandalism or conflict of interest. The name wasn't even placed as a WP:REDLINK so that wasn't a factor. If I'm wrong and someone wants to write an article that don't get deleted, then the name should be added back to the list.


 * I see now, after the fact, that Videogamer was permanently blocked for vandalism. That fact alone is enough to delete the content since edits by vandals should and frequently are undone. This content is not verifiable.  Royal broil  12:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

What the name of the driver that you removed from list? (but don't show the link) --Gtabigfan2010 (talk) 19:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Jonas Andromeda diff? Why do you have to ask me when you already know that I challenged and removed it? The history is in the records which are public. I see that others have suggested that you may be Videogamer.  Royal broil  23:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not Videogamer. I am the anti-vandalism and rule follower of Wikipedia, I will remove the content that is not verifiable, and I will revert any vandalism. Thanks. --Gtabigfan2010 (talk) 01:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

WPUS Comment

 * Again. Thanks for the comments and keep them coming. I wanna make sure everyones concerns are addressed. --Kumioko (talk) 01:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again
Thanks again for nominating me. I'm still getting used to having all the admin buttons, though it's quite a relief to be done with the RfA process, especially after the mess with Q4. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 07:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Wisconsin Athletic Hall of Fame
Eagle4000 (talk) 17:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment at WikiProject United States
I added a subsection to the tagging conversation to try and track who supports or opposes the idea. I think you fall into the oppose group but I dont want to assume that so if you get a moment could you throw you vote out there so I cna get an idea of whether to go ahead with it. --Kumioko (talk) 18:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar
Well thank you very much! That means a lot to me. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 14:15, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. I love getting barnstars :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 14:20, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks
Many thanks for the essay. Many of the redlinks I have been removed seem to be vanity pages of some high school kids in a garage rock and roll band that will never take off. Other red links are articles that were deleted. I am not concern. If someone calls myseelf on the carpet for removing them then fine. RFD (talk) 15:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I thought you'd find it useful. If you are called on removing a redlink to someone's garage band then they need to write an article. If they write an article that sticks then fine. Even though I had little editing today, it was fully dedicated to Wikipedia. I did a full day photo shoot of the remaining historic places in Winnebago and Green Lake counties with my cousin who's an inactive Wikipedian. Yet another example of why edit count don't matter. It was a fun road trip!  Royal broil  04:22, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Alan Kulwicki
I prepared to help you with the article, and I thought you would have nominated it by now. So are you still planning to do it?  Nascar  1996   22:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:BUSY... Airplaneman   ✈  22:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * He (I thought) was supposed to contact me once I finished with my vacation, which was the 3rd. I just wondering when he was planning to do it. Ummmm, since I was supposed to help him, I can't be curious to when he wants to do it?  Nascar  1996   22:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a fair question, and the answer wasn't WP:BUSY. There's a huge bitchfest that has been deeply troubled me complaining about everyone who has done a lot of DYK articles like me. It claims that we are all plagiarists or at least close paraphrasers. I can't find the discussion at WP:AIV but check out Wikipedia talk:Did you know if you want to see the effects. So I've started uploading the hundreds of images that I need to do this winter. I don't have the guts to propose AK at FAC since the FAC head is the one doing the bitching and name calling.  Royal broil  22:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, well hope it ends soon. So you and the project can get their first FA article. I would like your opinion on this article, if your willing to give me some advice.  Nascar  1996   23:29, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I discovered a new article. It was protested to be merged in 2008, and the template is still on the article. What do you think we (NASCAR wikiproject) should do with the article? Move it to NASCAR, or keep it alone and put it in the scope of NASCAR, by adding the main template? Its most recent edit was on September 9, 2009.  Nascar  1996   01:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw a huge ANI thread about it about 2 weeks ago; I hope it settles soon and won't discourage too many. If you're curious, here is a link: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Plagiarism and copyright concerns on the main page. As for the article you mentioned, The Economics and Global Expansion of NASCAR, it looks like a very good candidate for a merger into the main NASCAR article. Its scope fits well in the main structure of the main article, and I think it would be a helpful addition. Airplaneman   ✈  05:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Discouraged is a good way to describe my feelings on the situation right now. One of the best admin helpers at DYK quit because of the situation, which has compounded the backlog problems. Kulwicki's article already failed once at FAC, which makes me even more apprehensive. Merging appears to be consensus, so you can do a non-admin closure. No admin powers are needed for this merge. I'm fine with merging content into the NASCAR article, so you can do it whenever. You should leave the article as a redirect to the NASCAR article and make sure that the edit summary for the merge includes a comment that it's a merge and a wikilink to which article it is a merge from. I'd leave the merge request on the talk page and remove the WP:NASCAR template. Thanks for finding the link to the discussion; I searched for almost 1/2 hour.  Royal broil  07:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll merge it into the article later today. As for the discouraging situation, I was discouraged on Wikinews, and I almost left for good. They too have been talking about plagiarism. Also, I believe one user that helped me on the templates left because of discouargement when he was going to the update the table, and made several mistakes by undoing some of the edits. He currently has a short wikibreak template on his talk page, but it has been since September.  Nascar  1996   15:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Discouraged but definitely not near quitting. My skin is way too thick than to let one or even a bunch of people get me that upset. There's so many things to do here; it's easy to find something else if an area would bother me, especially being able to do some of the more mundane admin tasks. I've created so much article content / images and I need to make sure it doesn't get wrecked by vandals!  Royal broil  23:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, on to current NASCAR. If you can you should tune in to the final race in Homestead. The top three competetors are separeated by 46 points. Hamlin (+15), Johnson

(-15), Harvick (-46)! It is the closest NASCAR chase ever. I hope this may change your mind on the series.  Nascar  1996   00:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Larson Brothers Airport
I like the article about the Larson Brothers Airport. Excellent. I agree it deserves a DYK! Thank you-RFD (talk) 18:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I figured you'd enjoy this article, especially since you came from the area! I photographed it 1 week ago today and I had to write a stub since I had so many images. So I just kept finding things to write. Please expand it if you can. I bet you noticed the pattern of my route with all of the article that I added pictures to.  Royal broil  00:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Invisible Barnstar
I do appreciate your awarding of this recognition to me, even though I was completely unaware of the award's existence! Actually, I have sometimes wondered about where I stood as a red-linked contributor to Wikipedia (or if there is any way to find out). I do get occasional feedback on my talk page, although probably not as much as a regular blue-linked contributor would. Thank you very much.

You may have noticed a few contributions lately in the Wisconsin state parks category. I've been trying to determine the meaning of Location in the infobox for such articles as Blue Mound State Park, Chippewa Moraine State Recreation Area, and Potawatomi State Park, among others that I did not touch, but only noticed. To me, location is where something is situated, and not simply just a nearby place, as these three examples depict. I would like to know your ideas regarding this particular point, since there are so many articles that it pertains to. Backspace (talk) 19:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Larson Brothers Airport
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

2010 Ford 400
I'd like to make up the post-race, but I have been looking at the Formula One article of 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix, wich starts off about the podiums, which NASCAR doesn't have. I was wondering if you would have an idea how I could word the post-race section to have both the champion and the race winner. Any ideas? Thanks.  Nascar  1996   03:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I would divide the section into two paragraphs or two subsections if they were long enough. The first one would be a race summary. The second would be a brief summary of the championship.  Royal broil  03:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Such as after the Race Summary, add a small paragraph or two with quotes, etc. Then rename the post-race or what?  Nascar  1996   03:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, you could just have a post race section which briefly summarizes the championship. You could name it "Championship summary" or something to that effect.  Royal broil  04:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There some good ideas. I'll think about.  Nascar  1996   04:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (November)
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject NASCAR at 12:57, 25 November 2010 (UTC).

Thebigdixie
Hello Royalbroil, this user: has vandalised an article twice this month. Then I noticed he has be warned time after time, without getting blocked. Do you think he should be blocked for all the vandalism?  Nascar  1996   23:13, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Tough one. Some good edits and some bad. I see I've given plenty of warnings myself. But not a vandalism-only account or else I would give a permanent block. Since the edits are rather infrequent, I won't block. You can list at WP:AIV if you want a second opinion.  Royal broil  03:36, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I rather not go there. Also, Happy Thanksgiving.  Nascar  1996   04:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I know this has nothing to do with the user, but how is Rick Hendrick since I cleaned it up and expanded it.  Nascar  1996   21:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely a great expansion, would be better with some more citations. Good job!  Royal broil  04:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Nascar  1996   04:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The user is continuing to vandalize the article.  Nascar  1996   20:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, I had to give Dixie a timeout from editing.  Royal broil  04:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also not related to the user, but you are welcome to add your opinions to this featured picture canidate. It may be the first featured item for WP:NASCAR.  Nascar  1996   17:29, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Michigan highway photos
Thanks for adding photos to the articles. When I categorize them on Commons though, I don't add the highway's category unless the photo is used in the article or shows the road itself. Just being a school on the highway isn't good enough, IMHO, unless the road is shown. I also create Category:U.S. Route # in Michigan categories if the articles by that name exist. (US 141, US 8, US 131, US 223 don't have separate state-specific articles.) That way we can use the commons cat boxes when needed.  Imzadi  1979   →  05:28, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I do have several more bunches to upload, including most of US 45, so your comments are quite relevant.  Royal broil  13:23, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the barnstar! It was a very pleasant thing to discover when I logged in!  Sophus Bie  (talk) 09:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Johanna Long
Courcelles 12:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Idaho State Bengals football
You helped me with an article in the past (FSBO Madison) and I was hoping you could help me figure out a new problem. If you search for Idaho State Bengals football it just redirects to a subsection in the university article. I would like to start a new article, but I can't figure out how to remove the redirect so it will allow me to edit the page. Any ideas? Fullrabb (talk) 12:43, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Good question and I know the answer. What you have to do is to click the link to the football article for the university. Then you scroll up to the top and you'll see "(Redirected from Idaho State Bengals football)". Click on the blue link which will take you to the redirect at Idaho State Bengals football. Then you click "edit". All you have to do is remove the text in the article (the redirect) and start typing in your article. I highly recommend creating a draft in your userspace first and work out all of the bugs before posting it. You can read about it at Help:Userspace draft. I'm glad to see that things are working well here and that you are continuing to help here at Wikipedia!  Royal broil  00:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It worked! Thanks again. Feel free to review the article. I know there are a few rough edges (I don't understand how to get parts of the chart without information to disappear) but I think it's a strong start. Idaho State Bengals football Fullrabb (talk) 12:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I read it. The grammar is very good, although it is very light on citations to reliable sources. I marked one that especially important, and another important one is the list of NFL players. There really should be citations to cover everyone and a minimum of one citation per paragraph. I didn't check your sources to ensure that it's not close paraphrase. Overall, well done!  Royal broil  14:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Opa Locka station
Thanks for the renaming offer. Could the photos that start with:
 * File:Opa Locka FL Harry Hurt Bldg

be renamed to:
 * File:Opa Locka FL old RR station

That should differentiate them enough from the current station photos, which all start with:
 * File:Opa Locka FL RR station

Cheers! --Ebyabe (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. I counted 7 total; they were numbered 1 to 6 and one ended with "station tall pano01". Please add descriptions to these images. You're welcome.  Royal broil  01:15, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Belated thanks. I'm categorizing and descripticizing the other 3,000-odd photos I've took in the last couple of months, which is why I didn't say so sooner. Cheers! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 06:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the photos abd edit concerning the Shrine of Our Lady of Good Help. I would not be too surprised about the shrine becoming a minor basilica eventually-RFD (talk) 18:37, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, it's been a hot topic on the Green Bay news. I was talking about it with my family and we expect it to become a major attraction in the Green Bay area. There was hardly a soul there when I got the photos - and it was a decent day at a decent time. I only had a few minutes as I was driving to the races at nearby Luxemburg Speedway - so I'm looking forward to checking it out thoroughly. It's less than 10 miles from Hwy 57, the main route to Door County. There already was plenty of signs marking it from Hwy 57.  Royal broil  00:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

2011 IndyCar Series season
The unsourced edits seem to have dropped off lately, but for a while there were multiple reversions daily. If it spikes again I'll let you know. Kuguar03 (talk) 20:53, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

New talk back
 Nascar  1996   01:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you think that Jimmie Johnson section should still be required with the new Jimmie Johnson section?  Nascar  1996   04:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I'd remove it and justify it as too much detail. Wikipedia is not a statistics database.  Royal broil  04:45, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You may consider contacting the uploader of this image on Flickr because the current license says not for commercial use.  Nascar  1996   04:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * An earlier license had to have allowed Commercial or else the bot wouldn't have done the upload. I wouldn't have even tried. Since it was legally obtained, the Commons version is legal. They are not able to revoke once uploaded, at least on our version of the image.  Royal broil  13:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I was wondering about the image.  Nascar  1996   14:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Merger
Hi I hope you are doing well; There are two articles about Harrison Carroll Hobart and Harrison C. Hobart that need to be merged. Same man served in the Civil War and the Wisconsin Legislature. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:45, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I am doing well and I hope that you are too. Great to see the Shrine by Green Bay getting so much publicity. Of course anyone can do the merge. You just take the content from one and put it into the other and make sure to include a link in the summary that it's a merge from the other article. Which name is better? Also I have a photograph of Hobart Park in Chilton which should get added to the merged article. I didn't know he was as notable as he is.  Royal broil  15:57, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there is an information box plus references on his military service in the Harrison C. Hobart]] article; on the other hand his political career is covered in the Harrison Carroll Hobart article. I can not figure out how to do info boxes hence the need for help-either name is okay. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 16:24, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Wisconsin articles
I grant that a semi-automated approach can't do a very good job for articles using NRIS alone, if there are no other online resources that can be linked, like using the NRHP nom docs available for some states. For Wisconsin, what's available? My impression is that its NRHP nom docs are not online. But, the documents for about 50 multiple property submissions / multiple resource areas are online, per wp:MPS. If you'd care to develop the NRHP articles for "Ernest Flagg Stone Masonry Houses of Milwaukee County TR" or for "Multiple Resources of Menomonee Falls" or for any other MPS/MRA group, I'd be happy to put starter stubs for all with a properly formed reference included into a workpage which you could cut-and-paste from in starting articles. Lemme know if interested. --doncram (talk) 17:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Alan Kulwicki review
I can't guarantee that I'll be able to read through the entire article tonight, but I will try to have something up on the talk page by the end of the day. After the holiday season winds down a bit, I should be able to return and look at anything I can't get to later today.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 19:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Minor communities
Adminship has been going well so far, thanks again for nominating me. I generally do take reasonable requests for unincorporated communities. I wrote the article on Gillingham for you and added the images, and I can probably do more of those in the future if you have images for them. I probably can't do any of the places in Michigan, unfortunately; another user usually merges stubs on Michigan communities to their corresponding townships. I don't agree with him on this, but we've discussed the matter and agreed to leave things the way they are. Articles with images might be okay, but I don't want to write a whole bunch of articles just to have them all get redirected. What's your experience been with Michigan articles? By the way, thanks for getting an image along Wisconsin Highway 131; I've needed an image for that ever since I got it promoted to GA status, but I wasn't able to take one. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 21:27, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've created a few Upper Michigan articles and I have more images to upload. I probably should know who it is so I can discuss what to do. I'm sure I'd be upset if I'd waste my time uploading images just to have someone erase them to make a redirect. Consensus is very clear about allowing articles on these minor communities but I'm not sure that I want to push the issue very far. Maybe I'd just skip uploading these images otherwise, then everyone loses. If I do drop the issue, please leave me a message anytime in the future and I'll put in my 2 cents. I have a few more images along WIS 131 but there's no real need for them. Two of them show the curve entering downtown Gays Mills, Wisconsin where WIS 131 and WIS 171 split - and the signs are very clear on one of them. I'll upload if you think they'd be helpful.  Royal broil  13:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC) p.s. And I have another group of photos showing the apple orchards east of Gays Mills on WIS 131 which known all around the state and probably notable enough to be mentioned in the article. Here it is! I"ll have to rename the file on Commons.
 * I consulted maps on the internet and my p.s. is wrong. The WIS 131 turn is about 1 block away.  Royal broil  16:02, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have a picture of the signage on WIS 131, that would be very useful; please upload it. The Michigan thing is annoying to me too; there's about 12 communities left in Michigan with post offices but without articles, and I'd like to finish them off, but I don't want to start the whole matter up again. Maybe I'll just write them anyway; a redirect is better than a redlink. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 19:33, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Derek Lynch
Merry Christmas and thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (December 2010)
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject NASCAR at 01:09, 25 December 2010 (UTC).

Template:NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Labelled Map
Hello, I know you're busy with Alan Kulwicki; however, I wondered in the template above should be considered to be semi-protected. I believe that it should, even though its only transcluded on Sprint Cup Series. I don't believe we shouldn't allow someone unexperienced to mess with it. I can be very hard to fix if they do multiple edits. Remember when I asked you if you knew how to add the red square for Kentucky Speedway? (if I did) I used paint to add it. Or should we wait, and see if anyone would mess with it?  Nascar  1996   01:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The reason to protect the other template was because they had high use. One use isn't justifiable. Vandalism can be reverted and well-intentioned changes with bad repercussions can be dealt with. I suggest adding it to your watchlist. Do you use watchlists?  Royal broil  01:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I added it to my watchlist. After I posted the comment, I noticed that I could have just added it to my watchlist. Uhh.  Nascar  1996   02:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)