User talk:Rp2006/sandbox/Seth Andrews

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RP2006 12-29-16 update
I gathered more sources for future consideration and asked Susan to comment on them regarding helping with WP notoriety. Here they are for future reference. (Her comments are in bold.)

(1) A mention in an autobiographical deconversation article by Lala Stone. http://www.alternet.org/belief/how-i-went-being-southern-baptist-preachers-daughter-open-atheist Material: ...Seth Andrews, author of Deconverted: A Journey from Religion to Reason and founder of the Thinking Atheist website describes in his book how he began an in-depth study of the Bible after first questioning religion. In Numbers 31, Andrews read how God instructed Moses to "kill all the male Midianite children and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” He read how rape victims deserve a death sentence if they don't cry out for help. He also read about the numerous mass killings God commanded. When he brought all this to the attention of his Christian friends and family, he says that “[n]obody had satisfactory answers. Nobody joined my chorus of alarm bells. Nobody really cared.”

...Seth Andrews has a similar tale in his book Deconverted. He told his mother he was atheist and she was “obviously blinking away the unthinkable notion that her son's outright rejection of Yahweh would sentence him to a painful, fiery, eternal Hell.... She protested. She argued. She wept.” Nope not a good source

(2) The Thinking Atheist Podcast entry on rationalwiki. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Thinking_Atheist#Seth_Andrews Material: Seth Andrews is the host and producer of the show. He is a former Christian radio broadcaster (explains the production quality being so absurdly good) and currently works in video production.[2] He lives somewhere outside Tulsa, Oklahoma and went to a private Christian school for most of his time. He eventually deconverted at the age of 37.[3]

Seth Andrews is not The Thinking Atheist and this needs repeating since people are still getting it wrong. Rational Wiki for sure not a legit source

(3) Shift to Reason speaker list. http://www.shifttoreason.com/speakers.php Material: Seth Andrews is the host and producer of the show, The Thinking Atheist. He is a former Christian radio broadcaster (explains the production quality being so absurdly good) and currently works in video production. He lives somewhere outside Tulsa, Oklahoma and went to a private Christian school for most of his time. He eventually deconverted at the age of 37. He is also the author of the books Deconverted: A Journey From Religion To Reason and Sacred Cows available at http://www.sethandrews.net/ never heard of it, but it is just one of many interviews, not proving notoriety

(4) Friendly Atheist Podcast Episode 7: Seth Andrews. https://richarddawkins.net/2014/07/friendly-atheist-podcast-episode-7-seth-andrews-the-thinking-atheist/ Material: Seth was not just a Christian for more than 30 years, he was a religious broadcaster and professional video producer as well. Since becoming an atheist, he has put those talents to use on his YouTube channel (if you haven’t seen his videos, go watch. They’re inspiring and beautiful). His podcast of the same name is currently the most popular show on Blog Talk Radio.

We spoke with Seth about his late-to-the-party deconversation, why listeners connect with him so well, and how Christian radio compares with secular podcasting.

(Podcast audio is behind pay wall.) just one of many interviews, not proving notoriety, odd that this is behind a pay wall

(5) Living After Faith podcast episode (The Thinking Atheist: Deconverted – Episode 66). http://livingafterfaith.com/category/seth-andrews/ Material: We speak with Seth Andrews, Host of The Thinking Atheist. His new book is out, and you can hear about it here. never heard of it, but it is just one of many interviews, not proving notoriety

(6) Speaker announcement for Skepticon 6. https://skepticon.org/speaker/seth-andrews/ Material: Head honcho over at The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews is the author of Deconverted: A Journey from Religion to Reason, podcaster and fabricator of all the media things. Go to his twitter so you can tweet at him how psyched you are to see him this year! There may be just about a million Seth Andrews in the world (trust us, we googled it), but we like this one a whole lot. As a sidenote: Skepticon wants everyone to know we want Seth to read us stories at night because his voice is sweet, sweet velvety magic. Skepticon is where speakers prove they are no longer relevant (watch they will ask me next year)

(7) Article on Seth's speech for UCO Skeptics and Oklahoma Atheists. (Christian-turned-atheist Seth Andrews gives heartfelt "deconversion" talk to UCO audience.) http://www.reddirtreport.com/red-dirt-news/christian-turned-atheist-seth-andrews-gives-heartfelt-deconversion-talk-uco-audience Material: (Entire article is about the presentation.) just one of many interviews, not proving notoriety

(8) Second article on Seth's speech for UCO Skeptics and Oklahoma Atheists. (Tulsan Seth Andrews, host of "The Thinking Atheist," talks about his journey from faith to non-belief.) http://www.reddirtreport.com/red-dirt-news/tulsan-seth-andrews-host-thinking-atheist-talks-about-his-journey-faith-non-belief Material: (Entire article is about the presentation.) just one of many interviews, not proving notoriety

(9) Skeptico podcast 183. (Join Skeptiko host Alex Tsakiris for an interview with The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews.) http://skeptiko.com/the-thinking-atheist-backs-down-from-science-debate/ Material: Interview examines the scientific evidence underlying an atheist worldview and why atheists are reluctant to defend it. This is the best so far if Tsakiris comes out against Seth, Tsakiris has a WP page himself and he is anything BUT a skeptic

(10) American Freethought Podcast #170 – Seth Andrews. http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/2013/02/05/podcast-170-seth-andrews-the-thinking-atheist/ Material: We interview Seth Andrews, host of The Thinking Atheist podcast and author of the new memoir Deconverted: A Journey from Religion to Reason. just one of many interviews, not proving notoriety

(11) Speaking announcement. (The Thinking Atheist, Part Deux: The Return of Seth Andrews.) http://www.charlotteatheists.org/news/the-thinking-atheist-part-deux-the-return-of-seth-andrews/ Material: CAA is pleased to announce that we will be hosting Seth Andrews in the Queen City for the second time! On September 19th, he will be making a presentation regarding his latest book, “Sacred Cows.” Same here, no name conference, no notoriety

SG Facebook comments on above material:

Most of these could be used on a page if the page was already noteworthy. But nothing "proves" noteworthiness. I've talked to him personally about this and he doesn't seem to get it. He would like to have a WP page but isn't about doing to work to help us get it for him.

What he needs is for others to call him notable. By "others" they need to be notable. And it can't be on an interview with Seth.

For example if Seth gave a talk at a local venue and had the newspapers write about it then that would be good. It's like the local media is saying "Hey this guy is so notable that we are going to cover his lecture"

The difference is kinda hard to understand. Picture Wait Wait Don't tell me. And you have two people, one on the panel and one that is calling in to answer the questions.

The one calling in might be funny and clever and have been on the show. But it isn't like the show called them. They just happened to get through when calling in. IF the media afterwards looked up the person who called in and said "Hey you are funny, we want to do a story about you" then that would be much better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rp2006 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Additional possible refs
(A) Deconverted is mentioned in a book: Atheists in America. https://books.google.com/books?id=iMjaAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA241&lpg=PA241&dq=new+york+times+seth+andrews&source=bl&ots=84TyOAnxQK&sig=OoAa3loayX_L9uGDVB8luXHSwcE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjY3ZXCtpzRAhUpxoMKHWokDOIQ6AEISzAJ#v=onepage&q=seth%20andrews&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rp2006 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 30 December 2016 (UTC)