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Astral Gemstone Talismans
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 * This article again has been tagged for Speedy deletion. Citing advertisements and promotional articles do not increase encyclopedic notability of the subject. Tell us really why this company might leave its mark in history. The most important thing that merits inclusion might be the fact that they designed the crown jewel of Thailand - which may be only enough to appear as an inclusion in Richard Shaw's article. -- Emana 02:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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Article: Richard Shaw Brown‎
Hello Rsbj66,

My name is Emana, and I'm a fellow Wikipedian. The article Richard Shaw Brown‎ seems to be an article about yourself. As you may already know Wikipedia is not a place for original research. Although you do mention a lot of sources for your information, it is mostly for promotional purposes and I would have to say that your article is prone to being tagged advert -- an advertisement and subject to speedy deletion. In fact, the article only lists achievements by you and does not describe much of who you are. Also, the quotes are mostly from your fellow producers and directors - it is promotional and is subject to advert. Also, even if you cite others as sources, you are the one picking the sources, therefore, it violates Wikipedia's policy on neutral point of view. By the way, the most interesting part of the article, under the heading Current, has no source. Who else in the world knows that you live in Thailand and the names of your wife and kid? Since you have your own autobiographical site, you should just sit back and let other contributors work on your biography. So in the end, I will have to re-tag the artile as advert and original research. They are not deletion request tags, but rather note tags for other contributors, so please leave them there until more than two other contributors come to a concensus. -- Emana 20:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

---Dear Amana,

Thanks for your ideas. Apart from what I have done, I'm just flesh and blood. So of course it is an article about me. I'm giving the minimum important facts. And it is NOT an advertisement because I'm not for sale. IT's just an entry on a person of some noteriety. Please remove the "Advert" insult.

Thanks and best wishes, Richard


 * I understand that you are not for sale, but you are promoting yourself, your business, and your products. You cannot measure your notoriety by yourself. Also, CAN you provide a source for the Current section? I will wait. For the time being, I have requested other Wikipedians to take a look at the article. -- Emana 21:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

---Hi Amana,

Actually the only reason I'm listed as notable is for being singer of The Misunderstood. I only added more info because I have it, and thought to make more interesting. But fellow Wikipedians have the rules, so please let me know which sections (apart from the band) to delete.

As for current, that is just simple fact. How to prove? I have loads of magazine articles handy, including current. Who can tell my situation better than me? My achievements and awards are the measure of noteriety. My current status can be verified on my own website www.richardshawbrown.com/main.html

I'm certainly open to your imput and any improvements. And I'm happy to delete the (one mention of) name of my company if that is required. My company is not listed as an article.

I appreciate your help in improving my article. And look forward to the imput of others. I have tried (too) hard to give reference to most everything.

Best wishes and happy New Year 2007... Y/s, Richard


 * I understand that YOU know who you are, but not everybody else does. How do you prove facts, you ask. The fact that you live in Thailand can be "proven" by citing some third party source. It's just that you are already being challenged by the No Original Research clause. You cannot be the one to add content to the article about yourself. You may, however, point other contributors to articles and references - even send messages to other Users' Talk pages to create an informal but recorded interview. Personal info like the names of your family members can be passed on that way. The mention of your company is not the problem. It is the achievements you list that promote yourself as a gemologist that also promotes the company. The article for your company was deleted because it also had similar problems. Your article can be salvaged if you are willing to wait for the natural powers of Wikipedia to sort itself out. -- Emana 22:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

---Hi Amana,

Thanks for the help. I have created pages for many others who didn't ask me to do it. I don't know who to ask for myself. If you can suggest any deletions I should make then I'll delete them. Please advise.

Best wishes, Richard http://www.richardshawbrown.com


 * Richard, you really need to skim through the "Help" sections and familiarize yourself with what Wikipedia is all about and all the features that are available to you. You need to contact other contributors through their Talk pages, not yours. I only saw your request because I have this page tagged to be "watched". To request expansions on articles you've started, there is a forum at WP:RFE. The more precisely you stub-tag your article, the better chance of someone finding it and expanding it. -- Emana 19:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Mangal Raj Joshi
---Please excuse my stupidity, but can anyone correct capitalization on Mangal raj joshi (R and J). I started it wrong and now cannot see how to correct it. Thanks in advance... Y/s, Richard
 * I have "moved" Mangal raj joshi to Mangal Raj Joshi according to the policy, WP:NAME. -- Emana 19:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

---Hi Emana!!! Great! You're a magician!!! Thanks...Prof Joshi was really a great man, but after the Palace murders Prof. Joshi didn't live much longer. I don't think they have a "Royal Astrologer" in Nepal anymore...not sure they even have a King. So that would make Prof Joshi the last one.

Granted Amnesty
Hey, I'm impressed by the changes on the Richard Shaw Brown - aha! the plot thinkens!!! In fact, the plot is so thick that we have a screenplay and a book in the works.

Q: Should we mentionen that "In 1979 I returned to America where I was granted amnesty, along with all other concientious objectors, and discharged from the Army" !? <---just a suggestion

You're super...

Best wishes, Richard


 * Are the other people granted amnesty important to your history as a person? If not, let's leave them out. Also, please add the name of the author/editor/publisher and the titles of the articles or books/editions/volumes to your references. Please refer to WP:CITE for minimum information necessary in a bibliography. Also, I'm currently using the footnote method because of the way the article was disorganized before, but intend to use full Harvard Referencing after the cleanup.-- Emana 00:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

---Hi Emana,

Greetings! Someone tagged Richard Shaw Brown as an ad, so I deleted 90% of the info. Could you please givee your opinion. Also, somehow I deleted your code to make the references list...chould you please add that if necessary.

Thank in advance!!!

Y/s, Richard

Misunderstood photo
Regarding the photo of your band on your biographical page, which one is you? I'd like to make the caption on the photo more specific. -- Emana 19:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

---Hi Emana,

In that photo I'm the blond in the upper left, named Rick Brown, London, 1966

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OK, I editied down to essentials. He was a real recluse and never wanted to be noted. That's what is great about him. I hope the new edit can keep the article.--Rsbj66 20:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Planetary Gemologists Association
I have marked the article on Planetary Gemologists Association as an advert. It is now quite obvious that you are intending to promote yourself and/or organization on Wikipedia with articles about yourself, your company, and your organization. Furthermore, it appears as though you have attempted to inflate your own notability and the validity of sources by cross referencing Wikipedia articles (1)(2) and your own website. -- Emana 04:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

---I am just putting interesting things as I know about. The PGA is a charity and a real school...I was a cofounder. My own page is stripped down to bare minimum, with no mention of company. And my company isn't listed. As for cross referencing, I'm just trying to use my little knowledge of code to make Wiki links whereever possible...so it is all correctly coded. I'm surely presenting what I am, and as I say, my page is bare bones now. I'm sorry if you feel offended. I'm only trying to contribute what I can. Nothing is business that I have contributed except my business - which I accept Wikipedia won't put. Otherwise they are all non business related, they are just related to me, because I can only contribute from what I have that is genuine. Please don't take it as commercialism. It is genuine.--Rsbj66 05:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Richard - I am sorry if I have offended you. If you are wondering, I am not singling you out for deletion. I beleive that you have a genuine interest and the knowledge on the subjects you have posted on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not where you should be promoting these subjects. The main problem is that you are the only one that seems to know about the subject and Wikipedia, as a collaborative ground for knowledge needs to have reliable sources that can be verified. You satisfy the reliability issue, since you are the founder and major contributor to these organizations, but your lone statements cannot be verified. Some other party that you are not part of MUST verify what you say and you have to prove that other sources exist. -- Emana 19:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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For desired confirmation please contact Prof Joshi's Son, Dr Badri Raj Joshi, at Email: brjoshi11@yahoo.com He gave me the picture and I own it. I offer to public domain. I also added 4 references to his site.

Thanks--Rsbj66 11:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Mukunda Goswami
Hi Emana, wishing this meets you well. Thanks to your guidance my own article is looking much better, and with 41 references. I was wondering Mukunda Goswami has no references at all. How can you have an unverified article? Best regards--Rsbj66 20:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

What are you asking exactily? -- Emana 20:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Emana, I can personally vouch for the info in Mukunda Goswami but I don't see a single published reference, and I was wondering why it wasn't needed in this case? --Rsbj66 21:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Richard, just because nobody contested it doesn't mean that citations are not necessary. Probably nobody got around to this article because this person is not a hot topic. Citations are still necessary and you are free to add, expand, delete, tag, and/or nominate the article for deletion. -- Emana 23:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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Reply from Richard
Hi Emana, hope you're well. I got your advice about the Mukunda Goswami page ...so I searched the web for references and added information, and now it looks pretty Wiki. I also added his published books.

BTW: Navaratna article which was contributed by some one else, but I have contributed more. Please note that 600 million Hindus (not to mention Jain, Sikh, Buddhist) believe in the Navaratna, and it's philosophy which termed in English is "Planetary Gemology" or astrological gemology. This is NOT "Complete BS" as suggested by your associate. I mean, we can say we think any belief system is "BS" but if one billion people believe it, then it belongs in Wikipedia.

The main contribution I made to Navaratna page was to add a long list of published books on Planetary Gemology, all under differing titles, but all about Planetary Gemology. I can create a Wiki class page on Planetary Gemology giving loads of published references 3rd party, and nothing linking me. But as long as you have placed some kind of ban on "Planetary Gemology" it is not worth the effort.

If you are really against the philosophy of Planetary Gemology, then could you at least allow me to create a page for Planetary Gemology that is a REDIRECT to Navaratna - because they are the same thing.

Please advise...

I tried to respond to your message but somehow got lost, so I'm writing this here. Hope that's OK...

Best wishes!!!

Y/s, Richard


 * Richard, I am NOT against the religion or belief system of the Navaratna. The "patent nonsense" heading means that the words and sentences contained therein do not make sense (e.g. "School YE-34 went" instead of "I went to school yesterday"). It just needed to be reworded so that many people as possible could understand what it said. I think that's been fixed now by somebody, correct? And it seems that you've removed the "Cleanup" tag without actually making the article more readable. Also, what associate are you talking about? I only have sources and informants, I do not have a relationship with any other Wikipedian. I think you're the person I talk most to on Wikipedia. Also, please make sure that you are writing in the "Talk" or "Discussion" page on my User space, otherewise the system will not notify me that I have a new message.-- Emana 01:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Emana, Thanks for the reply. I guess that makes me you best friend on Wiki, where no one really knows anyone. Right now there is no page on Planetary Gemology nor Planetary Gemologist, and it is not really needed to have them, just a REDIRECT from them to Navaratna is all that is needed. But I seem to remember some kind of ban was placed on planetary gemology, so that's why I was asking how to make the pages with redirect. If it's OK, then I'll do them.

Stay cool!!!

Best wishes, Richard--Rsbj66 08:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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