User talk:Rschen7754/Archive 21

SPI Investigation
Hi, I just wanted to flag up that I'm concerned to have been brought into this SPI, without being informed so - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/NorthLondoner

A lot of it seems to relate to an SPI closed months ago, with no socking found. I'm trying to be a good editor here, focus in on my area of expertise, build up my edits. I've even created what I feel is an important page - Moskovski Korrespondent. In this SPI, I'm being connected to a subject Graham W Phillips who forms a very minor part of all my edits, and whose page seems to have recently been attracting vandalism / strange edits. Thank you for your time. Moscow Media Man (talk) 10:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm an admin with relatively little experience of SPI, but Sockpuppet investigations/GrahamWPhillips looks like a miscarriage of justice to me. Am I too late to comment? – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind, somewhat to my surprise I now think the accusers were right. I have added my comments at the end of the page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:54, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

3E1 Elimination Ceremony
I wanted to bring it to your attention. The user (under a new name) has recreated the page BUT on the old "talk page" I tagged it with G4 but wasn't sure what to do in this case. Talk:3E1 Elimination Ceremony. Tyros1972 Talk 10:19, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

nm someone deleted it. Tyros1972 Talk 10:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk page protection
Hi. I noticed you semi-protected my Talk page. Thanks for that. In fact, if you could extend that protection for a (very long) time, I'd be really happy. Being an active vandal hunter, the amount of vandalism my Talk page receives is stunning. Thanks,  Yinta n   10:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * We generally don't semi user talk pages unless there's a heavy amount of vandalism - so that newer users can communicate with you. Sorry about that :( --Rschen7754 10:41, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Three, four times a day isn't heavy enough? O well, at least I have two days rest.   Yinta n   10:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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Tech news: 2013-26
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 * The new interface for account creation and log–in is now the default on all Wikimedia wikis. The old look is no longer available (bug #46333).
 * The TimedMediaHandler extension now supports native FLAC files. A discussion to allow this file type is taking place on Commons (bug #49505).
 * After a test period, the Disambiguator extension was enabled on the English Wikipedia on June 18.
 * VisualEditor news:
 * A VisualEditor bug temporarily made all new accounts unusable. The issue is now fixed and account creation works as before (bug #49727).
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 * MediaWiki will now allow converting audio files from one format to another.
 * The Wikidata technical team has started a discussion about how Wikidata can support Wiktionary.
 * The search feature on Wikimedia sites is planned to be modified to use Solr on all wikis by the end of 2013.

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXVII, June 2013
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Pssst...
You blocked Changingfilms for 2 weeks but tagged them as indeffed. While I'm here, kudos for all the clerking and assistance you provide at SPI!--Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 21:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that - too used to dealing with LTAs instead :/ And you're welcome! --Rschen7754 21:45, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Pirokiazuma
Okay… now I remove Pirokiazuma’s socks and all articles which have an interest for him from my watchlist. Hunt for them with Mathsci, but without me. No my actions of whatever kind will ensue. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 06:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, that's not a very good attitude to have. As Mathsci stated, you are welcome to open a new report. However, you should not be reverting the actions of a clerk. --Rschen7754 06:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Possibly, it is you who can revert a detrimental action of a clerk? Or correcting clerks’ errors is not a clerk’s competence? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 06:38, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well the larger problem is, you added an account without adding any evidence of any sort. If you had actually added evidence, I might have considered letting it slide, but making a seemingly random accusation was not okay. --Rschen7754 06:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Checkuser
I'm not sure if an SPI case can be opened if I don't know what other accounts or accounts that the suspected sockpuppet might have. The editor that I started a case for nominated an article for deletion as their first edit, nominated another one after that, edited their user page, and never edited since the day that they joined on June 17. Sockpuppet investigations/Dan12w. SL93 (talk) 07:57, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * There's other possible explanations for this, such as they edited anonymously but needed to start an account to AFD. No signs of abuse of multiple accounts, and certainly not grounds for CU (which I do not have access to). --Rschen7754 08:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I would say that there are also possibilities when even possible linked accounts are mentioned, but I don't really like discussing such issues with admins so I will leave it at this. SL93 (talk) 08:11, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that you're a bad admin, but most of my experiences with admins have to do with ANI where I was insulted. They also made a joke out of my username so I had request a change. SL93 (talk) 08:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, before we block someone, we have to be very sure that they're really a sock. That's definitely not true in this case. --Rschen7754 08:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Occitan, Deutsch or French who care about U.S. roads
Hi,

I really care about U.S. roads, particularly about Californian ones. ;) LOL

In reality, I had created like you had seen stubs using informations from WIKIDATA to test and improve the Infobox who give access to statements of Wikidata.

The Rota 78 de l'Estat de California show the actual "state of art" of these infobox for roads since I improve it after your comment. Boulaur (talk) 22:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC) (Wikipedian gascon from Aush)
 * Well, it does look better, but there are other articles such as oc:California State Route 56 and oc:Interstate 8 that need attention - there's almost 20,000 new articles that need attention. The apparent issue is that it appears you were trying to create articles for all 12 million Wikidata items without local consensus, which may not be desirable due to the sudden influx of articles that need to be maintained by a very small base of editors. Something like that should have been decided by the local community before the bot was run. --Rschen7754 22:50, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Greetings!
Hi, Rschen! I hope all is well!

I have recently acquired a 1932 Pennsylvania Department of Highways Tourism Map, a 1933 Texaco Road Map of Pennsylvania, and a 1934 Esso Road Map of Pennsylvania. I wanted to make sure that it would be acceptable to upload pictures/scans of these maps to Commons, and I figured I'd check with you first.

Best wishes! -- hmich 176 23:16, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! Good to see you back! Unfortunately I'm not familiar with complicated permissions issues, so it might be better to ask at WT:USRD. Ultimately Commons has its own rules, but hopefully someone at USRD will know more about this. --Rschen7754 23:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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New possible sock
Previous sock, now blocked: Possible new sock: Page in dispute:

Hello Rschen7754. Please see the recent history of this article on the Indian movie star, Aishwarya Rai Bachchan, where both Ashhhfann and Isaacsirup have participated. Recently you modified the block of User:Isaacsirup, who is noted to be a sock of User:Mangoeater1000. The sudden creation of the User:Ashhhfann account right after the block of Isacsirup suggests to me that he could be another sock. I blocked Ashhhfann for edit warring, and put two months of semiprotection on the article to discourage newly-created registered socks. If you think there is probable cause for a checkuser, I'm sure the data is still fresh :-). Thanks EdJohnston (talk) 18:44, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's probably best to send this to SPI, since it would need to go there anyway as I'm not a checkuser. --Rschen7754 19:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. It is now filed at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Mangoeater1000. EdJohnston (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

SPI case archive merge
Since you did the original merge, can you look into the merging of the SPI case for LanguageXpert and Maria0333? All of the socks have been labeled under the LanguageXpert and I recently filed a case under that name. The archive for the LanguageXpert SPI is a redirect to Maria0333. My recent case got archived to LanguageXpert where it has gone invisible due to the redirect. So things are kind of a mess. I think the canonical name for the case should be LanguageXpert as that is the earliest account identified and is being tagged under as also DoRD asked for the Maria0333 case be merged to LanguageXpert back in March. I'd take a shot at cleaning things up myself, but I don't want to mess up the usual procedures. Thanks! -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:54, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it should be good now. --Rschen7754 20:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

User:NPK14051969
I think you probably meant to enter. W\&#124;/haledad (Talk to me) 21:51, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --Rschen7754 21:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-27
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 * Recent software changes: (Not all changes will affect you.)


 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf9) was added to test wikis on June 27. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 8, and on all Wikipedias on July 11.
 * On Wikisource, the canonical names of the "Index" and "Page" namespaces in the Proofread Page extension are no longer localized (bug #47596). Please check scripts that depend on.
 * A JavaScript problem caused the "" and "" tabs in the Vector skin to be moved into the drop-down menu on right-to-left wikis. The issue is now fixed and links are visible as before (bug #50196).
 * There was a short site outage on June 28.
 * The automated Category: now includes broken file links inserted inside the  tag (bug #50119).
 * The Nearby feature is now enabled on Commons and shows images in a user's area.
 * There is now a special page listing disambiguation pages for wikis that use the Disambiguator extension (bug #44040).
 * The old version of the Article feedback tool (version 4) was removed from wikis that still used it.
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 * Many bugs that caused text to be removed or damaged have been fixed, including one related to copy-paste (bug #49816).
 * VisualEditor now offers a visual interface to edit references.
 * In preparation for enabling the VisualEditor on a wider scale, new documentation has been created, including a list of frequently-asked questions and a user guide with many images. Please help with translations.
 * Several problems related to overlapping of elements with the VisualEditor toolbar have been fixed (bug #50096, #50159, #50324).
 * TemplateData information is now displayed for templates that are added to a page (bug #49778).
 * Section edit links now show links to both VisualEditor and the old (source) editor (bug #49666).
 * Images are now loaded securely when using HTTPS (bug #43015).


 * Future software changes:
 * VisualEditor will be enabled for all logged-in English Wikipedia users on July 1, and for all users on July 8.
 * From July 8, it will be possible to upload WAV and native FLAC files to Commons, and use them directly on wiki pages (bug-49505>bugzilla:49505|bug #49505).
 * The Universal Language Selector will be added to the English Wikipedia on July 2, and to remaining wikis on July 9.


 * Erratum
 * Tech news #26 incorrectly reported that audio transcoding was added to TimedMediaHandler; it was actually statistics about audio transcoding that were added.

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Edwards bot cleaning up
Rollback might not be the best option for this, as you will potentially revert other messages from the bot (e.g. as happened here) - Kingpin13 (talk) 23:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I realized it a few reverts in. --Rschen7754 23:15, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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A sugestion
Hi Rschen7754. I'm not  in  any way  passing  judgement  on  the block. However, as the insinuation was serious, especially  concerning  an employee, and as the issue was neatly  swept  under the carpet, I  do  feel  it  requires some further investigation. That said, it  seems very  much as if the user is a sock account  created especially  for the purpose of escaping  identification. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's an obvious SPA. There's proper venues for raising issues regarding misconduct on the part of staff members, and I personally think that some of his comments were a bit unbecoming for a staff member, even if not on the clock. That being said... there's proper venues, and creating a sock account to express this view is not one of them. --Rschen7754 02:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Banneforth, Come Here!
Was that a sockpuppet of Technoquat? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:13, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's possible, yes. --Rschen7754 22:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

ANI removal
What is all this about? Pumpkin Sky  talk  13:07, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Based on the other IPs that Rschen blocked, I'm pretty sure that's Cmach7. Legoktm (talk) 14:21, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Still, given the circumstances .. probably would have been better to let another admin. handle the details. — Ched : ?  14:37, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If you look at my contribs (including the deleted ones), he posted to multiple pages with a dynamic IP - what else was I supposed to do? Keep bugging another admin to delete everything, especially at a time of night when there are very few admins online? This is just one of the harsh realities of dealing with socks and LTAs, just as there are harsh realities of writing content - sometimes you will have to do blocks, deletions, and reverts like that (check out the deleted history of Sockpuppet investigations/Rschen7754). --Rschen7754 19:11, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's never good form to remove a complaint about yourself, even if it's from a sock. Just post your side below the complaint and if it's as clear cut as you say it'll get taken care of soon enough. You did yourself more harm by doing this. Things like this are why the admin corps has such a bad rap these days. Pumpkin Sky  talk  19:44, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, you're welcome to your opinion, and you can even take it up to ArbCom if you disagree. --Rschen7754 19:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thats's a preyty lousy comment considering you know how the Arbcom voted on the last one and that Arbcom is basically inept when it comes to desysopping. Kumioko (talk) 19:52, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-28
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 * Several bugs that occurred on right–to–left wikis have been fixed last week (bug #49416, bug #49613, bug #50543).
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 * The Nearby feature will soon be enabled on Wikivoyage wikis again.
 * The Notifications extension messages will now include a direct link to diffs on wiki as well as in notification e-mails (bug #48183).
 * Table of contents will now use the HTML  element instead of , fixing a nine–year–old bug #658.
 * First mock–ups of a mobile Wikidata application have been published by Pragun Bhutani as part of his Google Summer of Code project.
 * A discussion on minimum documentation practices in MediaWiki code has been started and awaits comments from the community.

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RFA
It appears I stepped on your feet in protecting that RFA. I just went with the default time limit right after you, without seeing you had already done so. Feel free to revert back to any other time if you feel it best. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  00:22, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, we editconflicted on the protection Not a problem. --Rschen7754 00:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Intense edit warring
Hello, Firstly I'm kinda new here. I edited an article (section: Potential Superpowers) which user Subtropical-man keeps reverting. The article has a section that lists possible future superpowers, but the list has a misleading title "Present day states [link to article about sovereign state] that currently are or have the potential to become a superpower within the 21st century," and then someone included the European Union (EU) on the list, misrepresenting the organization as a sovereign state which it's not. The European Union is a supranational union - a supranational organization or entity. Here's the misleading list on the left below. So I asked Subtropical-man to do any of these: (A.) Cite a source that claims the EU is a country or sovereign state, and then the list would be okay. Or: (B.) I'll correct the list by clarifying in parenthesis that the EU is a supranational entity, like the list on the right:

Or: (C.) Change title of the list to simply say "Potential superpowers" instead of beginning it with "Present day sovereign states..."

This problem is also found within the third paragraph of the entire article that starts with "Additionally, it is widely believed that the European Union and India..." Also found on potential superpowers article, but at least it is clarified within the first paragraph: "...the European Union (a supranational entity)..." But the list on the top right side of that article is still kind of misleading, yet he keeps reverting my changes.

The EU is not recognized as a sovereign state by any country. Moreover, the UK, a member of the EU, does not use EU's currency "the euro." Furthermore, a member state of a sovereign state cannot have a system of its own monarchy, unlike the UK does. No known sources affirm that the EU is a country or a sovereign state, yet he keeps reverting the edits. I believe you're an administrator, so please help us out with this situation. Thank you so much in advance! --Nosugarcoating (talk) 22:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Blocked for 3 days because he has a long-term pattern of edit warring. But next time, please start discussing earlier rather than continuing to revert, or you could get in trouble too. --Rschen7754 23:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I have now made the article as accurate as it should be. Hopefully he'll take a peaceful break before resuming the war. I didn't know I shouldn't revert without first discussing, until I saw a warning on my talk page. I have a question, though. Since my talk page is new, and I haven't had anything going there, am I free to delete content like the warning, since I'll never be involved in edit warring in the future? --Nosugarcoating (talk) 03:03, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's fine to revert once generally, but the general norm is WP:BRD. That editor has a known history of reverting just to revert and push his own POV, which is why I blocked him. You are free to remove the warning, although it does make it look like you are hiding something... --Rschen7754 03:08, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the tips. I'll be a good Wikipedian. --Nosugarcoating (talk) 16:35, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2013-29
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 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf10) was added to test wikis on July 11. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 15, and on all Wikipedias on July 18.
 * The Disambiguator extension was enabled on all Wikimedia wikis on July 9 (bug #50174). To use it, add the  code to disambiguation templates ([//de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=120414784&oldid=76564202 see example]).
 * The Universal Language Selector was added to all remaining wikis on July 9, finishing the process of replacing the Narayam and WebFonts extensions.
 * The CommonsDelinker bot is now on-line and operating again, after a password problem was fixed (bug #51016).
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 * Users should add TemplateData to templates to prepare for VisualEditor. A tutorial is available.
 * Parameters marked as "required" in TemplateData are now auto-added when you add a template (bug #50747).
 * Warnings are now displayed in VisualEditor when users edit pages that are protected or have edit notices (bug #50415).
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 * The Wikimedia technical report for June has been published, with a summary that can be translated.

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 * Global edit filters are currently in testing and will be added to wikis later.
 * Wikivoyage wikis will start to use Wikidata for interwiki links on July 22.
 * A new [//tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/gallery/index.php?title=Featured_pictures/Non-photographic_media image gallery design] has been proposed by Brian Wolff; comments and feedback are welcome.
 * An IRC discussion about Bugzilla is planned for July 16, at 16:00 (UTC) on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on Freenode (time conversion).

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Simple, huh
My reference to Simple Wikipedia refers to an adult having an inappropriate discussion with a child, not to the stuff I'd saved. Please read it again.

That stuff was saved when TParis was revdeleting most of the material from a "Block Party". when I was in a hurry, and I forgot about it. I think I deleted a similar collection of quotes from that "Block Party" because getting the block cleared would have been a waste of my time. When did you learn of the cut and pastes at Simple? Why didn't you tell me before?

Feel free to update your accusations. Kiefer .Wolfowitz  21:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've removed the second diff, but... other wikis are really not a holding space for stuff that you can't have on the English Wikipedia, such as accusations against other people and/or revdeleted content. It doesn't show respect for the Simple English Wikipedia or whatever wiki that you're using, and it imports a dispute to the Simple English Wikipedia that they really don't want there, since they like to be a drama-reduced wiki and don't want any of the English Wikipedia's problems. --Rschen7754 21:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I forgot why I saved it there rather than in an open office document. Maybe time was short, as usual?
 * It was in an innocuously named page in my user space, with everything in hats (and maybe additionally collapsed). I would be surprised if anybody looked at it. (Check the page views?!?) Hardly drama inducing. Thanks for removing the now irrelevant criticism. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  22:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes ArbCom case opened
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Another flush required for Infobox road
I added the e-road-shield, ahn-shield, and tahn-shield parameters to the documentation and template data, and so another null edit is required to update it for VisualEditor - Evad37 (talk) 11:55, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Rschen7754 20:58, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Trouble with User:Nosugarcoating

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Please watch on User:Nosugarcoating, I do not want to argue with him. This user account is created only for the fight with European Union. User have motives and announced desire to fight with the EU in the articles. Edit-war, long discussions without the basic knowledge of the subject, controversial edits, accusing me of vandalism, scaring me others "experienced" users (again) - this is main problems. Please take care of this user, explain to him the principles of Wikipedia. Subtropical-man (talk) 16:32, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I hope you know that playing the straw man won't help you. You literally stalk me, following all my edits and arguing against all my sourced edits, without ever supplying any reliable source for your reverts and edits. That's why I call experienced Wikipedia editors to help resolve the issue - I did not intend to scare you by saying I'll call them on you - I call them to help protect the articles from your vandalism and resolve edit wars which the experienced editor(s) said you've been engaged in historically. The experienced editor(s) said you lack editorial principles of Wikipedia, shown through your multiple edit wars (and you're now copying that statement "explain to him the principles of Wikipedia"). If you don't want sanctions then do not vandalize. Also, saying "please take care of this user" is absolutely childish, as Wikipedia editors aren't here to take care of anybody - they are here for the same goal of good editors - to keep the articles reliable and good for the readers. So like I said (I will never change my promise), if you keep on reverting or editing without providing reliable sources, I will keep on calling experienced editors to take care of the articles (not you), and to protect them from your vandalism. Have a nice day. Oh and when I say you should not vandalize the articles, I mean that you shouldn't revert edits or make changes without providing reliable sources. --Nosugarcoating (talk) 16:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Again and again. Please read principles of Wikipedia, including Wikipedia:Vandalism. Reverts because someone does not agree with your new edition is not vandalism. Your text in discussion about vandalism insinuate my vandalism (read also Wikipedia:No personal attacks). And according to the Wikipedia:CYCLE (edit, revert = discussion), you must first discuss. Sources? in our case are not needed source from me, you create new change, you must add sources to new change, sources closely associated with the text (read also Wikipedia:Verifiability). You wrote "The experienced editor(s) said you lack editorial principles of Wikipedia, shown through your multiple edit wars (and you're now copying that statement "explain to him the principles of Wikipedia")" - no, user Rschen7754 wrote about my history of reverting. Edit-war is break one principles of Wikipedia, you break many principles of Wikipedia, also the same: edit-war. I still explain to you, you do not want to improve own behavior, you prefer to argue. So, I need help the administrator. Subtropical-man (talk) 17:50, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Look man, all these people are complaining about how you are reverting and pushing your own POV on many European political topics. Perhaps the problem is with your conduct, not everyone else's? --Rschen7754 20:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You are not neutral. Many European political topics? Even if it's true, at the moment I do not care. This is topic about relations/conflict between me and User:Nosugarcoating and its new edits (massive introduction of links) and my oppose for this editions. What are you doing? Blocked me for two reverts, reprimanding me and no consequences for User:Nosugarcoating. If you are unable to focus on one topic (new changes by User:Nosugarcoating and my oppose to this changes in two articles: Superpower and Potencial superpowers), if you can not be neutral, please - give back administrator privileges. What did I do wrong in the new changes with related of User:Nosugarcoating (articles: Superpower and Potencial superpowers), outside two reverts? Real large edit-war? No! Pushing POV? No! If yes, please explain exactly (+ citations and links). This first. Second: why do not you react to bad behavior by User:Nosugarcoating: edit-war (with me), long discussions without the basic knowledge of the subject, controversial edits, accusing me of vandalism, scaring me others "experienced" users and the announcement of the fight with the EU in the articles. Why? Subtropical-man (talk) 21:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm looking at the pattern of your conduct as a whole, and I certainly blocked you for more than those two reverts. --Rschen7754 21:58, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not ask for it. Please answer my questions. Subtropical-man (talk) 22:00, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * We're talking about your behavior right now. You like to revert people an awful lot and get into frequent edit wars. I have already talked to Nosugarcoating above. --Rschen7754 22:03, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I listened your criticism about my behavior and this case is closed. You talked to Nosugarcoating above about my block by you and BRD. This topic (User_talk:Rschen7754) is about new issues: edit-war (with me), long discussions without the basic knowledge of the subject (littering the topic and the likelihood of trolling), controversial edits without consensus, accusing me of vandalism, scaring me others "experienced" users and the announcement of the fight with the EU in the articles. Such behavior is unacceptable. This is an official notification to administrator and request for help about violation of the principles of Wikipedia by User:Nosugarcoating. Subtropical-man (talk) 22:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Nosugarcoating has not reverted since I left them the warning above. Blocks are preventative, not punitive. --Rschen7754 22:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * First: I do not ask for the block for Nosugarcoating. Second: case about edit-war / reverts is closed (see previous post). This user violation of the principles of Wikipedia, please watch him, help him, teach him principles of Wikipedia, what is allowed and what is not allowed on Wikipedia. For example, I called edits by other user as vandalism and administrators warned me before blocking. Nosugarcoating doing the same thing and you do not react. This is just one example. Subtropical-man (talk) 22:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Subtropical-man, you wrote to this editor: "give back administrator privileges." You see why I decided to not chitchat with you anymore - it's due to your excessive childishness and lack of editorial principles. I won't respond to you in this section anymore (unless I'm required to) as it seems to fuel the fire in you, tempting me to go out of my way. My presumably last response to you in this section: 1- Stop stalking me. 2- Provide reliable sources for all reverts and edits you make. 3- Read the Wikipedia manual and acquire editorial principles. I will not respond to you in this section anymore (unless I'm required), as you like to have the last word and I'll let you have the last word. I prefer action. Better than your uncivil talk and disrespectful insults. To Rschen7754, it is evidently not useful to try to come to a resolution with Subtropical-man as he likes to have the last word. I'd let him have the last word. You do great on Wikipedia, and certainly this site needs more disciplined users like you! --Nosugarcoating (talk) 22:48, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rschen7754, see? Quote: "Provide reliable sources for all reverts and edits you make" or "Read the Wikipedia manual and acquire editorial principles". He does not know what he writes. Please watch him, help him, teach him principles of Wikipedia, what is allowed and what is not allowed on Wikipedia, how work Wikipedia. He writes as if he were on Wikipedia from one hour, lack of basic knowledge about Wikipedia. Subtropical-man (talk) 22:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


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Interwiki bots on Wikivoyage
Hi. Regarding this message, I would like to use the bot to update interwiki links on the bot's user page only because updating those links by bot is easier than manually. Is this OK? --Meno25 (talk) 15:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose, but if you won't be using the bot to update interwikis anymore, it seems pointless. -Rschen7754 18:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

URGENT DELETION MESSAGE
DEAR ADMINISTRATOR,

I request that my account be deleted with immediate effect, and that all my edits in the past, and past edit histories, be permanently removed from public viewing. Deletion of my account, City of Lukington, would be immensely appreciated.

I hope that this reaches you soon and that you are able to act upon my request.

Yours sincerely, Unknown user (formerly City of Lukington) — Preceding unsigned comment added by City of Lukington (talk • contribs) 20:59, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, but we cannot do this. --Rschen7754 21:00, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Technoquat's sockpuppet??
I am unaware whether I should start an SPi investigaion on or not, it seems eerily similar to, which as most of you know is a banned user here. Should I let this one be or should I file an SPi? Thanks in advance :)  Prabash.  Akmeemana   14:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: I have just filed the SPi investigation.  Prabash.  Akmeemana   15:06, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
It looks like you may have accidentally not blocked. NativeForeigner Talk 18:35, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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Merging SPIs
Hey; I'd do it myseld but I don't want to mess something up and create more work for you clerk: [] needs to be merged to the master case []. Thanks for the small maintenance. :) · Salvidrim!  ·  &#9993;  16:10, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Rschen7754 20:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers! And damn, I messed up the above (intended) wikilinks. :p :) · Salvidrim!  ·  &#9993;  22:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Pssst,,,
Regarding this SPI, User:Snowball657 isn't actually blocked yet; they added the blocked sock tag themselves. Cheers, --Jezebel's Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 20:54, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had a bit of futzing around with the script... It helps if you use user when giving results, as that's what threw me off. --Rschen7754 20:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Noted, and a huge "thanks" for all of your assistance clerking SPI.--<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 20:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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Block on 194.80.224.14
Perhaps a little too quick to block 194.80.224.14? He's right, the subject Stuart Hall (presenter) was convicted of sexual relations with minors. I was too quick to judge this, and I should have done a good faith revert of his edit. The title "pedophile", whether true or not, should not be in the first sentence of the article, as is it was not his career, per se, furthermore it is defamatory wording for a fact already covered elsewhere in the lead section. Falls somewhere inbetween WP:BLPCRIME and WP:POV, I presume? At any rate I think this user edited in good faith and should merely be notified that his change might not be as welcomed in the fashion he presented it. What are your thoughts? &mdash; <b style="color:black;">MusikAnimal</b> <sup style="color:green;">talk 20:06, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to let the reviewing admin for his unblock request make the determination - in retrospect it probably was a bit soon to block, but it seems that the editor has no understanding of how to write neutrally about the subject, so I'm reluctant to unblock now that I've blocked. --Rschen7754 20:10, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Inquiry
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Sockpuppet investigations/Streamboxmarketing
No link to the archived case is displayed, in spite of the presence of '' '' . — rybec   21:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You need to purge the page. --Rschen7754 22:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Really Sorry
Sorry, it's was only test of functionality AWB. No any other reasons. Vanquisher (talk) 00:11, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, well you shouldn't test AWB on live articles. --Rschen7754 00:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I see something at that time! AWB is really power tool but it still needs for me. I understand one major thing - before pressing "save" read your changes. I know you don't want to revert your changes but I hope... Thanks Vanquisher (talk) 00:26, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Drspresents Sockpuppetry
Why is it misfiled? Where else do you report an obvious sock? Harry the Dog WOOF  09:10, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, for starters, it didn't even have the name of the sock. Anyway, a properly filed report was done a few minutes ago. The proper place to file a report is using the form at WP:SPI or using Twinkle. --Rschen7754 09:16, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers. I did it using Twinkle so not sure what went wrong. I'll be more careful. Harry the Dog WOOF  09:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You need to use the ARV link, not the Warn link. --Rschen7754 09:21, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

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SR 52/Cuyamaca Street interchange access
Is there anywhere in the SR 52 article worth mentioning the alternate access of westbound 52 to southbound Cuyamaca? Because if there isn't, it might as well be shaded pink (the incomplete access shade). – PhATxPnOY916   (talk to me)  03:30, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
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Just out of interest
Hi. This is about a side-issue with the Infobox RFAR. I wonder if you could help me with some background information. I've only recently become aware of the existence of WikiProject:Quality Article Improvement (see my comments beginning half way down this thread ). It's been very hard to find out about this project as it has only nine active members and very limited visibility on Wikipedia. However, I did notice that you had made a couple of comments about WP:QAI at the end of last year, describing it as a "clique". Since this squares with my observations of some of the project's recent activities, I was curious to know about your experiences with WP:QAI. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 08:07, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Originally it was an underhanded way of bypassing WP:TFAR, but nowadays I don't know that it actually does much. --Rschen7754 15:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. --Folantin (talk) 16:11, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I seem to have missed Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Infobox. --Rschen7754 22:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Europefan
you blocked the user due to Sockpuppet investigations/Europefan. Can you point me to a discussion that highlights the abusiveness. Is there something on Meta, as cross-wiki abuse was mentioned. To my knowledge the user has been active for quite some time (long before the Europefan account) and I found his new articles useful and his MO was always to correctly link the source of his translation and touch the same couple of honeypots on Portal:Germany. But I was mostly absent for more than 6 month so I missed any problematic development. A pointer would be appreciated. Agathoclea (talk) 19:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is that he was using multiple accounts to push his points of view regarding inventions and people who made those inventions. As far as the crosswiki abuse, you can check the CA (CentralAuth) links for more information; a steward decided to lock many of the accounts for crosswiki abuse out of their own initiative. --Rschen7754 19:09, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I see the issue, pity how people seriously go south after being good contributors. Agathoclea (talk) 19:31, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Away
I will be away from August 6 through August 13. I will try to reply to time-critical matters as soon as possible while I am away, but there may be delays. If you need help from an admin or SPI clerk, it may be better to find another one to receive a timely response. --Rschen7754 19:14, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for your concern, I totally understand that I may not be experienced enough, but I do believe that I am good at CSD on the new page feed but I'm a bit inexperienced on the others. Anywho, I will read about the guidelines more and practice a little bit before continuing with GAN and AFC (which I think I'm slightly ok with now).

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Alameda Street
85% of Alameda Street isn't part of SR-47, and all of that part is a major traffic-carrying street. So why should it redirect to something that is only 15% of its length? p b  p  01:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please keep discussion to that talk page, rather than here. --Rschen7754 01:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
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ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Kumioko accusing other users of trolling and harassment for asking him to provide evidence for his claims. T C  N7 JM  00:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Rschen, thank you for your comment at that ANI thread. Good luck with your nomination. Drmies (talk) 13:19, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. While I would agree that something needs to be done about the overall situation, that's not the best time or place to do it. Meanwhile, my phone died just as my TFA was beginning, and I did not return to Internet access until several hours later. :/ At least there was no vandalism until this morning. --Rschen7754 13:28, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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CMD
I have recently got a message saying someone has mentioned you here. who is rajaputbhati. please tell me. I have recently joined Wikipedia.help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Estonian1 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * At Sockpuppet_investigations/Rajputbhatti someone said that you edit in the same way as Rajputbhatti. If you can explain why that's wrong, it may help. — rybec   15:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Need Advise
Just saw, you are active administrator on here, especially on the sock puppet investigations. As it can be seen, that one case is related to me on there. I would like to know, that if i would tag the sock on my main page, it will help? Thanks Capitals00 (talk) 04:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you please link me to the case? --Rschen7754 04:53, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Here. Capitals00 (talk) 05:06, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it will not. You cannot use socks to edit war, per WP:SOCK. I might be more inclined to take no action if this seemed more of an innocent mistake, but seeing that it was clear that you deliberately created socks to avoid the edit warring blocks... I have to take action here. --Rschen7754 05:51, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Follow up
Hello Rschen7754. I do agree with your sentiments on the Grandiose RfA page; especially that extending a discussion there would be improper. I did want to follow up on a point if you will indulge it here. When I stated that I intend to modify my steps I did not mean to imply I was abandoning the position all together and I do still agree with the points you had raised. I simply meant to acknowledge the fact that significantly more others than I would have imagined, including many offering support, did express reservations. The modifications I would incorporate would include ensuring a more through explanation than I would otherwise have thought necessary. I did not intend to sound as if I was in debate against you; and where I may have, I apologize. Cheers. :) John Cline (talk) 06:09, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand. I personally don't fall into the "admins = bad" camp, being an admin myself, and I have many admin friends who are primarily admin tasks-only and who are quite sensible. That being said, I've seen some bizarre things said by admins (and even functionaries and arbitrators!) who have little experience writing content, and that particular view of INVOLVED is one of them, which is why I reacted a bit strongly to the opposes. If I never used the tools in the roads subject area, we would have been overrun by vandals and sockpuppeteers long ago, and have backlogs of maintenance-related deletions and protected page edits. However, I do consider whether an action could be controversial, and if so I either decline to take action or seek assistance elsewhere. --Rschen7754 06:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Again I agree; hating to admit that bizarre is a fair characterization. But it does seem so on numerous levels; notwithstanding the policy itself which seems to go extra lengths to dispel the misnomer. Oh well. :) John Cline (talk) 09:14, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Sock
User:Estonian1 is a clear sock of User:Rajputbhatti. Regards, CMD (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone else beat me to it :) --Rschen7754 15:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Julia patrick is a new one. sigh --Merbabu (talk) 13:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've opened a check user request. Sockpuppet investigations/Rajputbhatti cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 06:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm looking at it now, sorry for the delay. --Rschen7754 06:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * thanks. :) --Merbabu (talk) 06:17, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

By the way, how long does it usually take for a check user to be undertaken once endorsed? While I note that Julia Patrick is now blocked for two days for disruption, he/she were still very active while we sat and waited for a check user. Even now I’m not reverting their edits even though I’m 99% certain they are a sock. Cheers --Merbabu (talk) 02:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We had a nasty backlog over the weekend, so it'll be a while :( --Rschen7754 02:14, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. :) --Merbabu (talk) 02:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

I think we might have another sock: User:Pablo iscobar. But I'm not sure. If I'm correct, it means we have a Muslim pretending to be a Jew to put us off the scent. ha ha. Let's wait and see. --Merbabu (talk) 06:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * PS - oh, this is getting funny, albeit a time sink. see User:Jewishnights --Merbabu (talk) 06:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)