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Woody Island
Hi Rsfinlayson, thanks for uncovering my error regarding Woody Island (Queensland). I got there by the German Wikipedia (my "home" Wikipedia), where I came across the article de:Woody Island (Queensland), which indeed describes the island near Fraser Island. Then I noticed there was the "same" article in the en-WP, which I did not check in much detail, because I didn't expect more than one relevant Woody Island in Queensland. Meanwhile, I added a position map to the en-WP article.

I have also seen (e.g. geonames.org) that the island close to Fraser Island is also called Big Woody Island, in which case the Woody Island (Queensland) would not need a more specific name. Then I first would name the one in the German Wikipedia to de:Big Woody Island (Queensland), and adjust the disambiguation pages in both wikipedias. What do you think?

Greetings from Bavaria,--Ratzer (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

We should probably use the 'official' database of Australian place names. A search for "Woody Island" in this database shows the following islands in Queensland (plus other islands in other states/territories): So it's all a bit confusing. But it seems you should rename the German page to de:Big Woody Island (Queensland), as you suggest. Perhaps also adjust the disambiguation pages, but note that there's currently no page for "Big Woody Island" (near Fraser Island) in the English Wikipedia. Ross Finlayson (talk) 21:27, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * "Woody Island", near Port Douglas
 * "Big Woody Island", near Fraser Island. (The map here labels the island as "Woody Island"; however, the database names it "Big Woody Island".)
 * "Great Woody Island", near Cape York (the far north-eastern tip of mainland Australia)
 * "Little Woody Island", next to "Great Woody Island" (near Cape York)
 * "Little Woody Island", next to "Big Woody Island" (near Fraser Island).
 * I renamed it to de:Big Woody Island. As there seems to no other (relevant) Big Woody Island (Great Woody Island is an entirely different thing/name), the qualifyer (Queensland) was not necessary. Greetings,--Ratzer (talk) 12:12, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Now Big Woody Island is also here, although still as a redirect to a lighthouse page.--Ratzer (talk) 06:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That lighthouse page contained a circular reference back to Big Woody Island, so I removed that link.Ross Finlayson (talk) 07:08, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

San Jose "discussion"
Hello, I work for PDX meaning I would assume I have tge authority [more than you] to amend what we the admin feels beat reprsents out wiki page. If you have any further issues please feel free to contact me.

Thank you for your understanding. Luis22pdxedu (talk) 19:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Once again, that's not how Wikipedia works. You have no special authority over that, or any other Wikipedia page.  I suggest that you take your arguments to Talk:San Jose International Airport Ross Finlayson (talk) 19:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * In particular, you should read WP:OWN Ross Finlayson (talk) 16:51, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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Ngongotahā
Don't like correct spellings? MaxBrowne2 (talk) 08:32, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

It's (now) 'correct' in the Maori language. However, "en.wikipedia.org" is the English-language Wikipedia. Ross Finlayson (talk) 08:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * So because we are writing in English we can mangle the Māori language any way we like? I say spell it correctly, just as was done with Whanganui. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 08:38, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * How do you pronounce the name of the capital of France? :-)
 * Wikipedia is meant to reflect actual usage (whether or not you consider it 'correct' or 'incorrect'). English is descriptive rather than prescriptive. Ross Finlayson (talk) 08:44, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ngongotaha/Ngongotahā doesn't mean anything to English speakers anyway, but it does to Māori. Is spelling it correctly such a big imposition? MaxBrowne2 (talk) 10:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Once again, "en.wikipedia.org" is descriptive, not prescriptive - just like the English language itself. English - unlike Maori, French, and some other languages - has no central authority that dictates 'correct' usage.  The only thing that matters in English (and "en.wikipedia.org" - the English-language Wikipedia) is how words/names are commonly spelled.  Why is this so hard for you to understand? Ross Finlayson (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Kai Kara-France moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Kai Kara-France, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rsfilayson, Subject is not notable for an MMA fighter. Subject needs to have fought at least 3 fights in teir one promoter, UFC or Invictus, to pass WP:NMMA notability requirements. Pls wait until subject has done so before resubmit. The draft will be stored in Wikipedia system for 6 months for it is deleted. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:54, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Kai Kara-France has a new comment
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Ways to improve Simmonds Islands
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Kai Kara-France (December 5)
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Legacypac (talk) 07:41, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Kai Kara-France


The article Kai Kara-France has been proposed for deletion. The proposed deletion notice added to the article should explain why.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. jni (delete)...just not interested 08:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Also, this has been a subject of deletion discussion before: Articles for deletion/Kai Kara France. I don't know who instructed you to copy text from draft, but it was very bad advice! jni (delete)<sub style="margin-left:-7.5ex;">...just not interested 08:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * FYI, it was the person who reviewed the article (after I'd significantly updated/improved the original version that had been moved from mainspace to Draft, and submitted it for review) who told me to do this: "Currently the page is a redirect but anyone can develop an article over top of the redirect. You don't need AfC to do it in mainspace". Note the review that's one entry above this - i.e., titled: "Your submission at Articles for creation: Kai Kara-France (December 5)". Ross Finlayson (talk) 09:11, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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Reworded for clarity
Hi Ross,

You seem to be going through Wikipedia and replacing every occurrence of "means x in Māori" with "x is a Māori-language word for". If clarity is the aim, what about "x is Māori for", the same way we'd say "x is French for", rather than "x is a French-language word for" (which sounds a bit ridiculous). Yes, the word "Māori" refers to both the language and the people, just like "French" or "German", and we manage to understand those perfectly well by context.

Also I noticed you italicised an iwi name; that doesn't really make sense, as it's a proper noun, not a phrase in Māori, and even the New York Times wouldn't italicise it. There may be a case for italicising some words in articles that are not in NZ English, but it would surely be better to set the page language to en-NZ instead, if it's an article that has strong ties to New Zealand.

Cheers, Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 00:19, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It's just a personal grammar pet peeve of mine - not just wrt. Maori - but for any language. E.g., saying:
 * in Spanish, "casa" means "house", or
 * "casa", in Spanish, means "house"
 * is OK. But
 * "casa" means "house" in Spanish
 * is not. Because, strictly speaking, "casa" means "house" in English.  But yes,
 * "casa" is Spanish for "house"
 * would be OK too.
 * I think I've got them all now :-)
 * And yes, you're right about (not) italicising proper nouns. Ross Finlayson (talk) 00:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

NZ English
Oops, didn't think about that. I assumed it was a typo or poor grammar and so did a passing "fix". My bad. Mr rnddude (talk) 00:45, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "No worries" (another common NZ-ism :-) Lots of non-New Zealanders get tripped up by that. Ross Finlayson (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Dummy edit on Christchurch mosque shootings
In response to : It was a Help:Dummy edit, i.e. an edit that doesn't change the page but can be used to leave an edit summary. In this case, I just wanted to draw your (and others') attention to the relevant section on the talk page. TompaDompa (talk) 00:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

March 2019
Hi Rsfinlayson. I left a templated message on your talk page but have removed it. Your edits are appreciated; but at Christchurch mosque shootings, just keep an eye out for 3RR. I know you may already be careful about it, but just wanted to leave this note so that you don't miss it. Happy editing. Thanks, Lourdes   05:56, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again. So you have crossed 3RR with your latest edit here. If you accidentally did this, I'll allow you to revert yourself; or if you think your reverts fall under 3RR exceptions, then please mention them here as soon as you can. Other administrators or I may block you if they feel your reverting is without consideration to the bright line rule. I'll await your next response. Thanks, Lourdes   08:28, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't realize that the '3RR' rule applied even to reverts of completely different material on the same page. (Only two of my reverts were of the same text - reinstating a large block of text that had been blanked twice - by two different people.)  In any case, I'm unlikely to make any more edits on that page from now on - it's just too much of a hassle. Ross Finlayson (talk) 08:45, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi ross, The reason I kept on adding it was because no-one told me why they kept reverting it. If I had been told this the first time, I wouldn't have bothered to keep reciting my edits. However, it is obvious it was an Australian's doing (even though he has not been convicted), and it's vital people understand this in order for people not to assume they were a New Zealander. Thanks but please don't get annoyed at me when I haven't been given any notice about what happened before. Leavepuckgackle1998 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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