User talk:Rsjaffe/Archives/2023/March

ANI deleted discussion
Hello, I noticed that you had deleted the discussion I had started in ANI, but I had requested earlier in the day for it not to be archived and I think it may have been overlooked by mistake.

Is there any way to have it opened back up so that I can address the users I had mentioned in the request above? I also think I owe the original user an apology, and wanted to try to do that in the ANI post, if possible. Thank you!

Awshort (talk) 04:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't think I deleted anything there. I certainly wasn't trying to. Check to see who deleted or archived it. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 04:07, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Please don't warn experienced users about their Drafts
I noticed your comment (diff) regarding foreign-language text in Draft:Rubricaire. May I ask you if there is a feed or category or batch report or something which listed this, or can you tell me how you found this draft? I believe the process/report/category concerned may have an error that needs to be corrected, as this Draft never should have been listed as needing attention. With limited exceptions for content that is *never* permitted anywhere on Wikipedia (WP:LIBEL, WP:COPYVIO, etc.), please do not warn a user on their Talk page about problems in unsubmitted Drafts, including no references, bad references, empty sections, misleading information, inaccurate information, essay-like material, bad formatting, inscrutable text, machine translation, bad translation, wrong language, incorrect spelling, grammar, or syntax, MOS violations, or any of that stuff. That's what a draft is for, so you can develop the article without worrying about content that does not (yet) meet Wikipedia policies and guideline standards. Friendly comments at Draft talk:ArticleName with ideas of how to improve the draft are always welcome. In the particular case linked above, 15-year editor Elinruby with dozens of created articles (including many translations) to their credit hardly needs to be reminded that this is English Wikipedia, and telling him to translate foreign text comes off as patronizing, or a bit insulting.

Please do let me know how you ended up at that draft, and I will follow up and try to ensure that Drafts are not mistagged for this type of attention. I appreciate your looking out for the quality of Drafts, and I'm aware there's a backlog, and your work evaluating Drafts is very important, so carry on, and thanks for all your efforts! Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 22:23, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * oh he's an ok guy, he did apologize. But yes this was some sort of patrol, probably NPP. Not particularly mad at him. It was just an unfortunate algorithm, which to their credit NPP has adjusted, just not enough. Basically anything over an hour is the new parameter. The other problem is that you get this message if the article contains any foreign language at all, even if it's small as this was. It could use some fine-tuning, as a technical note. Elinruby (talk) 23:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did make a mistake by templating it—I thought it had been mistakenly stopped mid-translation and wanted to bring it to their attention. Should have just left a note. No algorithm involved, I’ve recently been looking for new evidence of LLM/AI misuse, and just ran across that page. In terms of actions, have been primarily identifying LLM pages and using a template I helped develop that explains the issue with LLMs, as I’ve seen lots of naive use that started leaking into article space and wanted to help people understand the problem upstream of that, as that would stop them from wasting their time with LLMs, which are woefully unsuited for anyone other than a sophisticated user. I’ve markedly reduced my activity in this sphere, as a policy is closer to proposal stage and people in general are starting to hear better-balanced reporting about the benefits and drawbacks of LLMs, as opposed to the unalloyed hype we initially were being fed. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 04:21, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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If so, iy's not doing a good job at all. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:39, 31 March 2023 (UTC)