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Weigh in?
It would be great if you could weigh in here. Thanks. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  17:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Gee..I am extremely busy. hardly any time. Sorry :( --Dwaipayan (talk) 21:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Peer review and other stuffs
Hi. No I do not have any idae about Hindu German Conspiracy. You can ask, he has great knowledge and sources.

Regarding peer review, go to WP:PR. You will find stepwise instruction in the page how to nominate an article for peer review. Also, advertise the peer review in Noticeboard and its talk page. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * IMO, the INA article is too big [[Image:SSceptical.gif|20px]]. It needs compression.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Your science and technology section
Hi Rueben, since you had volunteered to do the Science and technology section, I thought I should let you know that some dude is busy creating that section on the India page. I have not reverted him, but did leave a message for him on his talk page. Of course, he has every right to his edits, but since you had expressed interest in the same page and were a part of the discussion, I thought it might be better if there was cooperation rather than unilaterality (if that's a word). Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  18:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnster for sabotage
Maybe you can design one for that category. On a more serious note, I hope you are not losing the big picture.--Blacksun 22:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please, no need to throw wikipedia dictionary at me. I know exactly what being bold means.  However, I also know (and this is a belief held by other people including the person in charge of promoting articles to FA) that being bold does NOT mean that you go and change five thousand things on a FA article like India without talking about it first.  If you think that is going to be a constructive way of making additions to the article then you are wrong.--Blacksun 23:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Indian Independence Movement Subsection
Hi Rueben, Sorry,  I made the edit to make a point about minimum subsection size. My intention was to promptly revert it, which I did, but I wanted it for the record. (I didn't mean to imply that I was endorsing the text.) I think the lead to the Indian Independence Movement page is the smallest a subsection should be. That is by point I shall make in a later post on the Talk:India page. Somehow, with all the various edits going on at that time, it got confusing. My edit doesn't mean either that I think IIM needs a subsection. Basically I was using the text as a place holder to make a point. When you see my post later on Talk:India you'll understand. Sorry, if I caused more confusion. I should have done it on a sub-page. Regards,  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  23:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

One condition
Hi Rueben, Glad to see you on board; however, there is one condition of membership which I forgot to add earlier, but which I now have at Talk:India, and that is a commitment to the process. Thanks. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  17:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

HINDU GERMAN CONSPIRACY
Dear Rueben, earlier in my reply about 'My Professor' (20 September 2007), I gave you an idea of my background. In 1952, I spent some time with Taraknath Das and, since 1955, I began corresponding with and interviewing eminent living members of the Jugantar: all of them pin-pointed my attention on the central figure of Bagha Jatin, as the Symbol of an epoch and a movement. Having consulted the West Bengal Archives under the guidance of Bhupendrakumar Datta, in 1963 I had the privilege of opening the packing cases of the microfilms freshly received by the National Archives (New Delhi) from Washington, concerning the Indo-German Conspiracy: I translated the messages and correspondence exchanged in Kaiserlich Deutsch between Berlin and the German legations covering the Far East up to the Far West, intercepted by the US counter-espionage service. Since 1966 I have regularly been to the European archives and, in 1981, with a Fulbright scholarship, covered the US archives coast to coast. A considerable portion of my PhD thesis in French deals with the development of the Indo-German Conspiracy. I hope to bring out an English edition of this work very soon. It has been my pleasure to go through your Wikipedia article on the Hindu German Conspiracy, as suggested by you. You must go through my Wikipedia articles on the revolutionaries before you can dovetail the various data which are but pieces of a big puzzle. On going through the articles on Shyamji Krishnavarma, Taraknath Das, G.D. Kumar, Virendranath Chattopadhya, Barakatullah, Mahendra Pratap etc., you will have a coherent idea that their activities were not erratic. You will realise the contributions of Das and Kumar in preceding and preparing the Gadhar. Examine seriously the implications of the Czech user's article. Having gone through these articles, please inform me whether I can be of any use. Probably you will have to form a group of collaborators to explore this complex and ambitious project. Wish you all the best.--BobClive 15:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * How are things? Best wishes.--BobClive 07:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It is taking a very interesting form. Please consult the Czech interlude in the article on Bagha Jatin. Cheeres!--BobClive 17:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations for Annie Larsen. I think it is better to utilise INDO-GERMAN CONSPIRACY, because a good number non-Hindus were involved, too, in the movement.--BobClive 07:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I presume that the term 'Hindu' has been coined in the USA for people from the Indian subcontinent in order to avoid confusion with the (Red) 'Indians'.--BobClive 08:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Your logic is convincing. Carry on.--BobClive 10:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Template:Azad Hind Fauj
Hi &mdash; The orange against the blue link here really makes my eyes squint, so maybe a bot could be sent to change the orange in the articles you mention in your edit note? Sardanaphalus 15:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. If I were to try amending the orange by hand in the articles you have in mind, do you think amending it in any and all the templates in the "Indian navigational boxes" category would produce a consistent result? I haven't yet looked at how to commandeer a Wikipedia bot to do something like this, so maybe it's time I did. Sardanaphalus 15:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * PS I'm just compiling a quick stub article for Subhas Brigade as this is the one redlink in the template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardanaphalus (talk • contribs) 15:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again &mdash; I've looked through the "Indian navigational boxes" category and made sure all templates using orange now use the lighter, higher-contrast orange. They appear to be Template:Azad Hind Fauj, Template:India independence movement, Template:National Parks of India, and Template:Prime Ministers of India. For now I haven't changed Template:Hindu politics as it overlaps the "Hinduism navigational boxes" category I've yet to check. Sardanaphalus 03:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Your Question
I think there is no hurry about completing your article. Please take time to go through the various articles I have contributed or revised in order to get the answers you are looking for. Once the treaty of arms was signed in Berlin, the Gadhar members in mass decided to return home and join the all-India insurrection planned by the Jugantar leaders like Jatindranath Mukherjee and Rasbehari Bose. The articles on Taraknath Das and G.D. Kumar show how they prepared the field for founding the Gadhar. The Kabul mission has been amply developed in the articles on Virendranath Chattopadhyay and Mahendra Pratap. Let us remain in touch.--BobClive 15:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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Defence of India Act 1915
Hello Rueben, I saw you moved the Defence of India Regulations Act to Defence of India Act 1915. You deleted (?) as well a bit that was to do with the Komagata Maru. Now, the thing is, Komagata Maru bit that happened in Budge Budge was relevant to an act called (I think) Alien Ingression act, so you are absolutely right, but I used to think that the DIRA covered both. I dont know if you are still in London, but the British Library and the KCL War studies department may have a few interesting literature and books on this. Ciao.Dudewheresmywallet (talk) 14:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply to British Empire
Thanks for your message Reuben. A few points I wanted to raise:

My school textbooks (Maharashtra board), represented the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, mostly as a reactionary step by a solitary army man (Dyer), not as part of a broader anti-rebellion drive. I will definitely look through your references on the article's page.

Well, my bone of contention with respect to the British departure of India was its presentation on the page as the "British granting Indian independence". This came across to me as a POV and I was looking to rewrite those words in more neutral terms. I realize that there were many many causes for the end of British rule in India.

Also, my high schools textbooks did say that the INA trials and the Bombay mutiny had a huge role to play in independence. This shouldnt be surprising since Mumbai is in Maharashtra .... Thanks. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 22:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hindu-German conspiracy
Please see my talk page. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 01:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello! I've copyedited the lead section. Would you take a look at the lead to make sure my rephrasing hasn't unduly altered the meaning? It's an unfamiliar topic for me, so I'd like to make sure I'm not misunderstanding it before I get too far in. Thanks! Maralia (talk) 06:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Capitalising the "T" in the Raj is non-standard (according to the OED and SOED), by the way. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 12:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Rueben, I archive my talk page on the 15th, so wanted to be sure you saw my response:
 * Several current featured articles pass the size guideline; it's not a hard and fast limit. I'm experimenting with adding comments on FACs when I close them to cover issues that weren't raised by any of the reviewers.  I hope this will help nominators as they ready the article for its next submission, so they won't be surprised if something new is raised.  This doesn't mean that the article can't pass FAC with a prose size higher than the recommended guidelines; I just wanted to mention it as something to be aware of.  If reviewer consensus is that an article can't/shouldn't be made any smaller, so it is :-)  Regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:29, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Conditional Support
I have some tags. If you can sort them out then the article is ready to be a featured article. Now that Maralia's copyediting the article I feel you should find some support after the 'opposes'. Knowledge Hegemony  17:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Request
If you feel that your being stopped in your way to contribute to Wikipedia constructively please try WP:RfCs or try WP:ANI or get in touch with a neutral administrator. An admin can give better suggestions than me. Frankly speaking, I have very poor knowledge of these issues (related to British Raj, Rowlatt Commission) and hence cannot take a stance. As long as your references comply with WP:Reliable sources and the content is in line with WP:Undue nobody can stop you. Knowledge Hegemony  07:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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Hi Rueben,

I guess the problem was with the prose. I will definitely cp-edit it further whenever I have time. Thanks -- ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 06:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hindu-German Conspiracy

 * Ping! -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 07:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you might have missed my last one, too. Maralia (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

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BAGHA JATIN
Dear Rueben lys, Priyanath was perfectly right in suggesting the military category. It was one of Bagha Jatin's most original ideas to indoctrinate the Indian soldiers in favour of an insurrection. It was found out by the authorities during the Howrah Case in 1910 : as such, the 10th Jats Regiment was dismantled and several of its officers courtmartialled. The influence of this action was extended up to the Malay States Guide with their seizing the Singapore fort. Please consider the matter. Season's greetings.--BobClive (talk) 07:27, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Rueben lys, I've added a comment on this at User_talk:BobClive. Best to you, ~ priyanath talk 22:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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Lebra as Unreliable source
Yes. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 13:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

British Raj article
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Thanks...
...for the info! Should we put something on the Stockholm group in the article? I could translate the part from the diva-portal article. --Soman (talk) 15:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Pingle
Congratulations. I have a few more bits on him, which I must fish out and add to your so well documented article. By the way, the English Christian name is Hugh (not Hew): that must have been a "slip of keyboard"!--BobClive (talk) 16:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Greetings
Dear Rueben lys, Receive my hearty greetings, too, for a Happy and prosperous New Year.--BobClive (talk) 17:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation
We must mention somewhere that Swami Satyananda Puri of Gadhar fame was not Swami Satyananda Puri or Bhavabhushan Mitra. Also we have to point out that Pingle's name has also been written as Pingley in various documents.--BobClive (talk) 11:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hello!
Thanks for the two omissions [ ] in the Bagha Jatin article. Let me know what you think of the paragraphs I have added to PingleHis name has been written also PINGLEY, just as RASBEHARI/ RASH BEHARI. It will be difficult to normalise these spellings; we just have to keep on mentioning it.--BobClive (talk) 06:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Dear Rueben lys, I have always been a solitary searcher, with one-pointed eagerness to explore available data as much as possible, expecting future scholars to concentrate on a suitable superstructure. As such, my personal situation is best defined by the Bengali saying, naa gharer, naa parer: such rare occasions of recognition as you offer help me to cling to my conviction and move forward. Hearty thanks.--BobClive (talk) 16:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hindu-German Conspiracy
Congratulations on GA! I know HGC has been a ton of work for you; I'm so glad to see your work acknowledged. I want to start trimming for length&mdash;I'm fairly confident that I can do this wisely, especially now that you've started so many articles that are linked as main article/see also. Are you more or less done creating related articles? Maralia (talk) 16:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've tackled the Ghadar Party section first. My main goal was to cut down to the barest facts, since the rest has a proper home in the main article on Ghadar. Probably the only controversial change was my removal of Shyamji Krishna Varma from 'See also'. His article doesn't mention Ghadar, so either he's not directly relevant to that section and doesn't belong, or his relevance needs to be clarified in his article & in HGC. In any case, I rewrote quite a few sentences and reorganized the section; I think it flows better now. Let me know what you think. Maralia (talk) 06:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Shyamji's Centre in London since the beginning of the 20th century was the nursery for future activists, a cross-road for pioneering ideas directly coming from India and moving to the American centres, an inspiration to people like Taraknath Das who, after six years of field work in North America, will found with Har Dayal the Gadhar/Ghadar movement. Har Dayal did receive ideas from his stay with Shyamji and Das had a regular trans-Atlantic exchange with Shyamji, reflecting sometimes in his Free Hindustan light coming from Shyamji's  Sociologist.--BobClive (talk) 07:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hello Rueben lys. Thanks for your message and I appreciate your spirit of collaboration that I like and admire. I have opened my mind a little bit:, and I don't have much to offer. Please feel free and frank with me, and please remain in touch. Regards. --Bhadani (talk) 18:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Chandra Chakravarti
Here is a passage on the despicable creature. You may find more in Arun Chandra Guha's First Spark of Revolution.

"The latent separatism between the Sikh and most of the Hindu leaders then took a regional turn: since Chatto – a Bengali – enjoyed an absolute confidence of the German authorities, since Gupta, another Bengali – represented in Washington the will of the latter, since Taraknath – again a Bengali – had been the pioneer of the political activities in the USA, the Ghadar tried to reshape its aspirations according to a new orientation capable of imposing the Sikh superiority on the movement. By interpreting this separatist spirit, there occurred even a troublesome dissidence among the Sikhs themselves : already contesting the political intentions of Dayal and Taraknath, all those who were more concerned with  strictly social and religious activities, raised an objection to the financing of the political activities with money generously contributed by the Sikhs to assure their own civil protection. On the top of all that, the searching look of Hopkinson, the British spy used by the Immigration Service of Canada, succeeded in isolating a handful of Sikh supporters of the British Crown, constantly to track and to denounce the patriots’ activities. At the height of an unbearable hide-and-seek triggered by this craftsman of separatism, some patriots got fed up with Hopkinson’s pernicious play and murdered him, on 21 October 1914, at the Law Court of Vancouver. "In India and elsewhere, the dedicated spirit and the honest devotion of a great number of Bengali revolutionaries gave to the Extremist movement its highest distinction, whereas “for their superior intellectual faculty” – notably for their advanced techniques (as Taraknath in the USA, Rasbehari Bose in the Punjab) – they were constantly solicited. At the same time,  in 1916, a Bengali adventurer of a doubtful character, named  Chandrakanta Chakravarti, with his cunning German accomplice, Ernst Matthias Sekunna,  will oust and replace Heramba Gupta as mediator between the Ghadar and the Berlin Committee : he will not only create an artificial enterprise to divert the German funds to flourish his bank accounts and to own real estates in New York, but also of double espionage. Moreover, intoxicated by his success, Chakravarti did not mistrust possible counterespionage : having stirred the curiosity and the jealousy of the Czech revolutionaries emigrated to the USA, he left ample written proofs in his apartment at 364 West 120th Street (New York). Emmanuel Victor Voska and Ladislav Urban, associates of Tomas Garrigue Masaryk (1850 – 1957) – future President of Czechoslovakia – discovered therein a gold mine : the watchman of the building was himself a Slovak from Moravia and an active member of a Czech revolutionary faction. Making use of a free access to the apartment where – in addition to   most valuable documents scattered all over – numerous meetings between the Indian revolutionaries and the German representatives were held. Voska engaged spies to trace the Indo-German chain-work up to China: some of his interlocutors, supposed Austrian patriots, communicated lightning information to Voska, right from the content of the despatches of Von Papen (German Military Attache in Washington), Zimmermann’s answers, the expedition of arms and munitions on board the Annie Larsen and the Maverick to be delivered on the Eastern coast of India, upto the projects of the Germans to sabotage factories of American explosives etc. Transmitted on time by Masaryk, in London, this information had such a repercussion in the International Office of the Allies that – especially after having seized, through the diligence of the British navy, the first vital cargos containing arms and munitions intended to serve the revolutionary cause in India – Masaryk got, in exchange, in addition to expected credits and prestige, the recompense he deserved." (From The Intellectual Roots of India's Freedom Movement (1893-1918) : unpublished English translation of Dr Prithwindra Mukherjee's French Thesis, defended in 1986.--BobClive (talk) 17:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I wonder if this bit of information has been of any use to you.--BobClive (talk) 07:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

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