User talk:RunEditorBDA

Hi, thanks for helping me with this. The original notice I got when I made the page was that it was blocked because my email address had the page's name in it. So I submitted a request for a name change but was denied, so I created this account.

I'm a volunteer for the race, hence the "we" - referring to other volunteers. It's a volunteer-run event. So if this is a conflict of interest, how do I declare this? I'm happy to do so.

I've been told that I can create a draft of the page and have it reviewed by an editor to make sure it's acceptable, which I would like to do, but I'm not sure how to go about this either. I thought I would have the chance to start the article and finish it later, which is why I didn't get around to adding references, etc. as it ended up being quite late. So if I can have access to an area to draft the article, go back and work on it again, etc. that would be super helpful.

I appreciate your patience. I'm just not finding Wikipedia easy to navigate so I'm having lots of questions. Thanks RunEditorBDA (talk) 15:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for message, and welcome to Wikiedia. First let me say that I find this new account popping up when I have just blocked a cause for concern, especially when you say We are creating the page to raise awareness of the event's history. You are not allowed to edit on behalf of an organisation, and if you give me any reason to think you are doing so, I will block you as a sock puppet of BermudaTriangleChallenge. It's not enough for your event to be a real, notable thing, you must comply with our policies. I deleted your article because
 * it did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the organisation or company, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the company or organisation claims or interviewing its management. Your text had no references at all. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls.
 * it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced or self-sourced claims presented as fact include: major sporting, tourism, and community event attracting hundreds of overseas visitors to Bermuda... attracts hundreds of recreational runners and walkers as well as overseas elite runners. Many renowned athletes... you give opinions when what we need is facts verified by independent third-party sources.
 * there shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections. That's particularly the case when they are spamlinks to affiliated sites.
 * the article was created in a single edit without references, and looks as if might be copied from an unknown and possibly copyrighted source. I don't know if that's the case, but for completeness note that copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial, and text is considered to be copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.
 * If you have a conflict of interest when editing this article, you must declare it. If you work directly or indirectly for the organisation, or otherwise are acting on its behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly. Regardless, if you are paid directly or indirectly by the organisation you are writing about, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:     . If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message.

Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article. You must also reply to the COI request above

Jimfbleak - talk to me?  14:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for helping me with this. The original notice I got when I made the page was that it was blocked because my email address had the page's name in it. So I submitted a request for a name change but was denied, so I created this account.

I'm a volunteer for the race, hence the "we" - referring to other volunteers. It's a volunteer-run event. So if this is a conflict of interest, how do I declare this? I'm happy to do so. I added a COI to my own user page does that help?

I've been told that I can create a draft of the page and have it reviewed by an editor to make sure it's acceptable, which I would like to do, but I'm not sure how to go about this either. I thought I would have the chance to start the article and finish it later, which is why I didn't get around to adding references, etc. as it ended up being quite late. So if I can have access to an area to draft the article, go back and work on it again, etc. that would be super helpful.

I appreciate your patience. I'm just not finding Wikipedia easy to navigate so I'm having lots of questions. Thanks RunEditorBDA (talk) 15:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC) RunEditorBDA (talk) 15:27, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not watching this page, but you can leave a message on this page, and I will know you have done so if you start it with my user name, User:Jimfbleak and sign it with four tildes ~ in the same edit. When you post it. That will send me an alert. Alternatively reply on my talk


 * The simplest way is to state on the talk page of the article that you are a volunteer, your user page declaration helps too


 * You can draft it at the same location as before Draft:Bermuda Triangle Challenge, but I would suggest that you find some proper independent refs before you start, I've seen far worse than your first effort, but a wall of text with unsourced claims isn't helpful.
 * When you are ready, add to attract an AFC reviewer. If you want me to take a look first, let me know Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  16:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hello, RunEditorBDA, and welcome to Wikipedia!&#32;Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article.&#32;Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

To reduce the chances of your contributions being undone, you might like to draft your revised article before submission, and then ask me or another editor to proofread it. See our help page on userspace drafts for more details. If the page you created has already been deleted from Wikipedia, but you want to save the content from it to use for that draft, don't hesitate to ask anyone from this list and they will copy it to your user page.

One rule we do have in connection with conflicts of interest is that accounts used by more than one person will unfortunately be blocked from editing. Wikipedia generally does not allow editors to have usernames which imply that the account belongs to a company or corporation. If you have a username like this, you should request a change of username or create a new account. (A name that identifies the user as an individual within a given organization may be OK.)

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! Jimfbleak - talk to me?  14:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)