User talk:Runehelmet/Archive 1

Invitation
Hi. I have sent a complaint on the user Yopie. If you have positive or negative experiences with this user and wish to share them, or if you merely can agree with the essence of the mentioned complaint, you are hereby invited to do this.

--- Aaemn784 (talk) 12:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Passport
Hi Runehelmet. As one of the main editors on the Somali-related articles, there's a discussion on the Somali passport going on here where your input would be appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 21:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Minor edits
Hi Runehelmet. First let me say that even if I don't always agree with you, I want to thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia (I've seen your commitment to Somali-related articles), and I greatly appreciate your willingness to talk things through.

That said, can I ask that you not mark edits as minor unless they actually are minor? As you have had your disagreements with User:Soupforone at least once before, this is clearly a matter of disagreement, and should not be marked as minor. As WP:MINOR states:
 * "Reverting a page is not likely to be considered minor under most circumstances. When the status of a page is disputed, and particularly if an edit war is brewing, then it is better not to mark any edit as minor. Reverting blatant vandalism is an exception to this rule."

Thanks and regards, Quintucket (talk) 20:01, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. But some disagreements are minor, therefor i mark it as 'minor'. But i'll try to avoid this in the future. Runehelmet (talk) 20:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks :•) --Quintucket (talk) 20:52, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: January 2012
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 * Spotlight on WikiProject Catholicism

Gospel
Islamic opinions of the Gospel should be kept to their respective wiki pages and not within the "part of series on Christianity". Since the Gospel is part of the Christianity series, any entry regarding corruption, last book etc is Islamic opinion and not neutral in view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gala1.8 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There is not such a thing as 'Islamic' and 'Christian' wiki pages. It is related and discuss the views of the correspondig religion. And the Gospel is also related to the Islamic faith, therefor it should be added too. And it's neutral, as it describes its view, and does not makes a statement. The removal of that sentence is not legitimate. Thank you. Runehelmet (talk) 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

help with source
Hello, Thanks for contribution to the giraffe article. For the source (Semito-Hamitic Festschrift for A.B. Dolgopolsky and H. Jungraithmayr) can you please give me the name and author of the section that discusses were the giraffe got its English name. LittleJerry (talk) 05:33, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Dolgopolsky and H. Jungraithmayr made the whole book together, but with help from Hamito-Semetic(later known as Afro-Asiatic) linguistics. In that section, Leo Reinisch is discussing that it came from the Cushitic languages. Runehelmet (talk) 10:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

What is the name of the section? LittleJerry (talk) 16:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry friend, but they have not named it. But you know now the page numbers. But to be sure I'll take a look at it later. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 17:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, what about a chapter title? LittleJerry (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 'C. Peust,Some Cushitic Etymologies' starting at page 257. Hope this will help you. Runehelmet (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

WSSP
Hi Rune. I just created the Worldwide Somali Students & Professionals page. Please have a look when you have the time, and let me know what you think. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 16:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks for the info. I'll take a look. Runehelmet (talk) 17:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Slavery in Somalia
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

FYI
Hi Rune. If you haven't already, be sure to add this scope page to your watchlist. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 12:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, be sure to add these-two scope pages as well. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 15:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

✅, added them into my watchlist. Runehelmet (talk) 19:12, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! Here are two-more scope pages I forgot to mention that you'll probably want to add as well. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 07:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure, added them. By the way what's the status of the Project Template? I'm curious if it's ready for use. Runehelmet (talk) 09:05, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's ready. We can start pointing new pages to the template now and re-routing existing ones using "WikiProject Somalia", replacing the quotation with –  (as done here). Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 14:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Rune. Found a couple of other scope pages that you'll probably want to add as well (1, 2). Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 16:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Added them. I have a quick question: Is it possible to change all the previous templates with the current one? Or do we have to do it manually? Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 21:40, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we have to do it manually, but don't quote me on that. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 15:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I see, I'll try to replace the templates at some major Somali related pages. And thanks for making the template :) Runehelmet (talk) 18:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No prob. Here are a couple of other scope pages that you'll probably also want to add (1, 2, 3, 4). Middayexpress (talk) 14:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Say, do you by any chance know how to fix maps? I'm asking because I would like to see this one corrected. Ethiopia's flag was not conceived as Pan-African. It just later inspired various such polities and organizations, who borrowed its national colors. Middayexpress (talk) 14:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I know how to edit it but I don't have the software anymore, but I'll download it again and try to fix it as soon as possible. Regards Runehelmet (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have some issues with my laptop, but you can try to inform the uploader that his file must be fixed. Runehelmet (talk) 13:35, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, and no worries. I know what to do. Middayexpress (talk) 14:53, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Be sure to check the scope pages when you get the chance. Middayexpress (talk) 16:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * While you're at it, you'll probably also want to add this scope page. By the way, thanks for fixing the formatting in the Sultanate of Hobyo infobox. Do you know of any similar maps for the Ajuuraan State? Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 14:06, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Your welcome, I have seen some maps depicting the horn region in the Ajuuraan era on commons, I'll try to create one map using some books as sources. Runehelmet PS: Could you visit the talk page of this article? I have some questions. Thank you. (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've left a comment there. Considering the timeframe in question (Middle Ages), the Ajuuraan maps also look fairly accurate. Nice job! Middayexpress (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much :) But where did you left a comment? I can't find it on my sandbox or did you post it somewhere else? Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the Warsangali Sultanate t/p. Regarding both Ajuuraan maps, they're great. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 16:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry I was confused, and again thank you. Runehelmet (talk) 17:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Rune. Here are a few other scope pages that you'll probably want to add as well. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, I added them into my list, but I already had the Oil exploration article in my watchlist, you requested them earlier. Runehelmet (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, sorry there. lol Here's another scope page I don't think I mentioned. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, added the page. Runehelmet (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

List of Presidents
Hi Rune. Would you mind taking a look at the List of Presidents of Somalia page? There's user who keeps adding an OR paragraph alluding to the SRSP, Siad Barre's socialist party. He also lists Barre twice in separate sections: first as President, then as General Secretary of the SRSP. This is despite the fact that the page is reserved for actual Presidents, not party leaders. Barre as head of the SRSP was also already mentioned in the relevant table. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 14:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I would like to keep that article clean. I've added the article to my watchlist, thanks for the info. Runehelmet (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Map
Hi Rune. There is a user attempting to push obviously pov map onto the Somalia article. He/she's not particularly subtle about it either. When you have the time, can you please have a look? Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oke, I've added the Somalia page in my watchlist, it's actually strange that I didn't have that already in my list. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 21:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Adal
Hi Rune. When you have the time, would you mind taking a look at the Adal Sultanate page? A user has just added a lot of original research and inaccurate material to it. Specifically, he seems to have trouble with the fact that Zeila was Adal's first capital and initial headquarters, particularly during its 14th century heyday (c.f. ). Only later was the capital moved to Dakkar and then finally to Harar. Please first have a look at this discussion to get a perspective on the user's overall views on the issue. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 06:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind; it's more or less resolved. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 16:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Oke, good to hear. I must say that is one long discussion. But I will check the page occasionally. PS: Sorry for the late response. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 17:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Middayexpress, this may not be the optimum way to find a third opinion. Penyulap  ☏  17:20, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Appropriate notification : "Examples include editors who have participated in previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics), who are known for expertise in the field, or who have asked to be kept informed." As one of the more active members of WikiProject Somalia, here would therefore seem as good a place as any. Regards, Middayexpress (talk)
 * Yes, I agree that is correct and thank you for clarifying it for me. Penyulap  ☏  19:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much for your help, much appreciated. Reqrezentin (talk) 23:28, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Your welcome, I'm glad I could help you :) Runehelmet (talk) 10:12, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Not Helping
your constant reverting on "Harari people" is not helping. do we need another essay discussion before i can convince you to stop reverting me when im right about something? Baboon43 (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Runehelmet, it is important to use the article talkpage rather than the edit summary when reverting in this manner. Penyulap  ☏  17:24, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry Penyulap, but when someone is adding unreferenced content it should be removed as I clearly stated it in the edit summary Per WP:DNITFTOLPS.

@Baboon, Twice is not constant. I clearly stated what the issue was, and you keep adding the content without any reference, it is NOT RIGHT. Runehelmet (talk) 18:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I'd like to warn you that editing like this and this with contrary edit summaries are disruptive. Penyulap  ☏  19:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Calling something 'disruptive' is very subjective. The given summary are permitted.Runehelmet (talk) 19:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Ajuuraan map
Hello Runehelmet, the Portuguese never controlled Barawa, they only sacked, and the city was rebuild immediately afterwards. Their domain ends at Malindi. Also, the Ajuuraan were hegemons over the Madinleh of the modern NFD, and the ruins there are considered from that period, so you should stretch the empire into the Northeast of Kenya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.217.171.5 (talk) 03:58, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks for the comment. But I'm not sure that the Ajuuraan Empire is stretching towards NE Kenya. But I'll take a look as soon as possible.Runehelmet (talk) 23:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

It was a vassal region under the control of the Ajuuraan allies called the Madinle:

"The cairns in northern Kenya are attributed by the Somalis to a people, remembered as giants, and called Madanleh. Lewis, (ibid, note 10) quotes M. Colucci to the effect that the Madanle (or Mandinle) are a group traditionally allied to the Ajuuraan." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.217.171.5 (talk) 05:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay thank you very much, I'll adjust the borders. Runehelmet (talk) 13:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Brother look here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/a/a3/Afriqueest05.gif The empire launched assaults on the Oromo as well so they expanded deep in the Ogaden. That map stopping at around Hobyo and with Somali cities in the right place would be closest in accuracy to the empire because luuq was part of it as well. Good job! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.217.171.5 (talk) 09:14, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The sources do not indicate that the Ajuuraan Empire extended into northern Kenya. They indicate that the Ajuuraan were affiliated with the Madanle who are in turn responsible for many of the historic wells and such in that particular region. We need reliable academic material that states clearly that the Ajuuraan sultanate itself extended that far, which I don't believe it did. Middayexpress (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just had a look at that user-made map, and it's even more inaccurate. The Ajuuraan state was a southern-based polity -- it never extended into northern Somalia. In fact, the opposite happened, with northern groups encroaching on the Ajuuraan's south-central strongholds, such as Mareeg. As Lee V. Cassanelli explains : "Ajuraan authority could be said to have extended from Mareeg (the territorial center of the Darandoolle, a segment of the Gurqaate Hawiyya) to Qallaafo (the probable homeland of the Jambelle Hawiyya[...] The state also incorporated groups of riverine cultivators that were settled at various places along the Shabeelle from Qallaafo in the north to Torre in the southeast, near Baraawe. These cultivators probably formed the bulk of the servile labor force that was conscripted to construct the dikes and canals popularly attributed to the Ajuraan period." So the polity's western border is Qallaafo, its northern one is Mareeg, and its southern one is Barawa. Middayexpress (talk) 20:44, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Warsangali map
Hi Rune. I appreciate the effort with this map; however, parts of it are inaccurate. The Warsangali Sultanate's territory never extended past the Warsangali-inhabited areas of Bari. This is why the sultanate's official website indicates that "at the height of its power, it included the Sanaag region, parts of North East of Bari region". Before making adjustments, please also have a look at this historic map showing the sultanate's domain circa 1857. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I will change it as soon as possible but about the historical map is the left side North? Most of the time when I see this map, I have some doubts about its position.Runehelmet (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The map basically shows the northern Somali seaboard. From right to left we can see the Majeerteen territories, then the Warsangali Sultanate's actual domain, then the Isaaq strongholds. In the southwestern part of the map we can also see the Dhulbahante territories in modern-day Sool and Cayn. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 14:17, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. Runehelmet (talk) 14:18, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Presidents of Arab Republic of Somalia
Could you please explain the message you have left on my talk page? I didn't create any such page, and have been a wikipedian (and an administrator) for almost a decade now. Please don't leave anti-vandalism templates on my talk page. john k (talk) 13:13, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I put the delete message on the article, and it automatically notify the creator of the article. I did not post the notification manually, I used the Twinkle tool. Runehelmet (talk) 13:28, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * But I did not create the objectionable article. Eight years ago, I created the List of Presidents of Somalia article.  If your tool is sending newbie "don't vandalize" messages to established users who long ago created the page that was vandalized, something is wrong with the tool.  It's also rude. john k (talk) 16:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The case is; the article was renamed, and that article with the new name was needed to be deleted, so I think the software was confused, well this is a rare occasion. But don't be offended by such a small problem, it was not done manually, by the way I notified the user who created the hoax, I did that manually. And could you explain what you meant with:'Your tool is sending newbie "don't vandalize" messages'? Runehelmet (talk) 17:40, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant the Twinkle tool is posting a message welcoming me to wikipedia and telling me not to behave inappropriately. It's obviously not a huge deal, but it's annoying, and it should be avoided if possible.  On the whole, I think these kind of automated messages are a bad idea. john k (talk) 20:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well on the other side, it is quite handy. You don't need to repeat all those tasks. Runehelmet (talk) 12:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Ajuuraan map #2
Hi Rune. I have removed the Ajuuraan map, as it still has not been corrected for the erroneous boundaries discussed earlier. Again, per Lee V. Cassanelli, its borders are Mareeg in the north, Qallaafo in the west, and Barawa in the south. If you can fix this so that the map doesn't conflict with the polity's actual domain, that would be great. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 10:45, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm fixing the map now, but in in the Kismayo article, it is said that the Ajuuraan state controlled the city throughout the middle ages, but it is not sourced. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 11:28, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good observation. In the material cited earlier, Cassanelli also writes that "The state also incorporated groups of riverine cultivators that were settled at various places along the Shabeelle from Qallaafo in the north to Torre in the southeast, near Baraawe. These cultivators probably formed the bulk of the servile labor force that was conscripted to construct the dikes and canals popularly attributed to the Ajuraan period." So that ostensibly would extend the state's southern area of control to at most Tunni-Torre, which is in Shabellaha Hoose. Also, the map shows the Ajuuraan state and the Adal sultanate, but it doesn't show any of the other polities that then held sway in Somalia. Missing are the Warsangali Sultanate in parts of the northwest and northeast, the Hafun city-states in the northeast, and the Sultanate of Mogadishu in Benadir. Either these contemporaneous adjoining polities would have to be added to the map, or the map should perhaps just focus again on the Ajuuraan state alone like it initially did. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 16:38, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for making the adjustments. There is, however, a mistake on the northern border. The Ajuuraan state's boundary did not extend all the way up to Hobyo in Mudug but to Mareeg (see above), which is a bit to the south in Galgudud. If you could fix this, that would be great. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 22:55, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Instead of Barbacadle (which is virtually unknown), it would also make more sense if Galkacyo, Garowe, and the historic Cape Guardafui and Alula were highlighted in the northeastern area, in agreement with the other important areas. Additionally, it would be preferable if Mogadishu were listed under its own historic name rather than its two main constituent parts. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Kindly rethink your behavior
I would appreciate if you would stop making false claims about other users, it is very bad form. In this edit you claim my removal was "without a consensus and a discussion". Neither of those claims are true. I duly started a discussion about the topic, the only user who commented on the topic agreed with my suggestion to remove. If you have another opinion, please feel free to voice it but kindly stop making false claims about other users.Jeppiz (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Making a statement and one other user agrees is not a discussion nor a consensus. A consensus is reached by comprimising views of different sides on the subject. Only one other editor saying agree is not actually a consensus nor a discussion, so what you are doing right here is actually exactly what you are accusing me for. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 13:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

East Cushitic
Sorry, you're deleting references and replacing them with inferior ones. You've also made claims you have not backed up. Please don't edit war, but per WP:BOLD, take the issue to the talk page. — kwami (talk) 00:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have not deleted a single reference nor edit warring. Could you describe why it is 'inferior'? And there is no edit war going on, look up on WP:Edit warring and look back at this case. Regards.Runehelmet (talk)
 * You replaced the Hetzron ref with an old 'citation needed' tag, and deleted the Hayward ref.
 * A book dedicated to African languages trumps a generic encyclopedia of the world.
 * You made a change, I reverted you. You then reverted me. That's edit warring. — kwami (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Three separate categories are used by linguists: East Cushitic languages and it's two daughters: Lowland East Cushitic languages and Highland East Cushitic languages. Yes, it is confusing. Pete unseth (talk) 19:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. The question is whether we should have a separate article on East Cushitic. Since it's not well substantiated, we don't have much to say about it, and we wouldn't link to it from many places, IMO it's better to just cover the issues in the Cushitic article, as we do with other aspects of subclassification. — kwami (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Federal
Hi Rune. I just noticed that Somalia's official name has changed per the constitution. It is now the "Federal Republic of Somalia". Were you aware of this? By the way, who do you think will win the presidential elections? Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 19:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I was only aware that Somalia would have a Federal System per July 2012, but not that the official name is changed to "Federal Republic". I personally think that Sharif Sheikh Ahmed will make a second term, he gained a decisive victory in the 2009 election, and still remains a bit popular. Do you share the same opinion or you are thinking of someone else?. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 20:42, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I also think he'll win; it'll probably be close, though. By the way, not sure if you heard, but Meles Zenawi just died. Middayexpress (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I heard of his death, just saw it on the front page of Wikipedia, quite shocking, he looked like a healthy man to me, as they were telling that he suffered only from a minor illness. Runehelmet (talk) 13:28, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Elections
Hey Rune. I noticed that you added an image of Sheikh Sharif Hassan to the election article and fixed the coding for the Abdiweli Mohamed Ali one, but changed nothing else. Does this mean that you are otherwise okay with the page in its current state? Please leave your response on the article's talk page, as we are trying to arrive at a more definite consensus as to which is the most satisfactory version of the page. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

ottomans were colonizers
correct me if im wrong but i saw a comment you made denying the ottoman empire were colonizers..they were colonizers. Baboon43 (talk) 20:58, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you give me a link? And the empire made conquests for more land, not imperialism. The idea of imperialism and to create colonies was originated in the late 18th century. Runehelmet (talk) 11:30, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

not colonization in the european sense but they did take control of the politics of the regions they occupied. Baboon43 (talk) 17:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Colonizations refers ussually to the European powers that control land outside their native homeland. But where and when did I say that? The link please? Runehelmet (talk) 18:40, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Mohamoud
Hi Runehelmet. As one of the most active contributors on WikiProject Somalia, your thoughts on this issue involving Hassan Sheikh Mohamoud would be appreciated. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 13:44, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for informing me, I have added the page in my watchlist. By the way, I uploaded an image depicting Hassan Mohamoud ( added in the article, I hope they won't delete it too). Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 16:30, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No prob. Regarding personal pics, if they're copyrighted, they'll probably be deleted sooner or later. But since Mohamoud is president, a royalty-free one should be available eventually, so no worries. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

previous discussion
maybe this quote can help you understand what i meant..."there was no such a thing as 'Somalis' during early Islamic times, there was only a group of Black Berber as Ibn Batuta himself a white Berber referred to them, tribes living in modern horn of Africa each had their own historical arrival be from across Arabia or from central Ethiopia highland , each should be studied separately and this over all inclusive term 'Somali' should be avoided , no modern Somali clan considered himself 'Somali' as late as one century ago, the Dir were Dir and Isaaq were decendent of Isaaq and Daarood of their Daarood ancestor." Baboon43 (talk) 06:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The exo- and endonym Somali may not be written in that time, but that doesn't change that those groups fall under the Somali ethnic group. For example, China; Did the people of the Tang Dynasty called themself Han Chinese? No, but they were indeed "Chinese". Names of ethnic groups changes all over the time. And by the way, the people who were called the Berbers in early medieval Africa, were the ancestors of the Somalis.

PS: That quote is from a blog, and it shows his opinion, but is that a professional one? Based on facts? Runehelmet (talk) 19:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Blogs are considered RS if they are not coming from some site that is bias but midday was the one that used this blog to counter an academic source so i believe he disagrees Baboon43 (talk) 22:57, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * "whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable. This includes any website whose content is largely user-generated"-WP:RS. That speaks for itself. Runehelmet (talk) 20:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I will forward that to midday but this isnt about a content issue i was explaining to you what you didnt understand in the previous discussion Baboon43 (talk) 00:57, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I knew what you meant, and I clearly made my own point about it. But that's history. Runehelmet (talk) 14:18, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Somali people
Hi Rune. When you have the time, could you please comment here. There's a single purpose account insisting that Bantus are ethnic Somalis, among other things. Your insight on the matter would be appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 15:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I shall take a look. Runehelmet (talk) 16:27, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Workshop on Wikipedia and the Middle East
Hi Runehelmet, I noticed that you edit a lot of articles about the Middle East and I'm organising a workshop for a group of researchers from the University of Oxford and the American University of Sharjah, about representation of the Middle East and North Africa region on Wikipedia. We held a workshop in Cairo for Wikipedians in October 2012 to discuss barriers to participation on Arabic Wikipedia. Our next workshop will be taking place in Amman, Jordan on the 26th-27th January 2013. We have funds to pay for participants' travel, accommodation and food. This workshop will concentrate more specifically on the representation of parts of the MENA region on Wikipedia and the ability of local editors to contribute to those representations. We are therefore looking for participants who edit articles about the MENA region (can be places, local historical or current events, local people etc.) We wanted to invite you because we noticed you have been involved in editing about contentious topics in the region and would really value your input. If you want to know more about this workshop, please contact me on wikiproject@oii.ox.ac.uk. Many thanks, Clarence (Project Manager)163.1.201.84 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:21, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/Runehelmet for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Baboon43 (talk) 00:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)