User talk:Ruthapricot

Shire Hall, Monmouth
I felt I had to revert your edits, because: I hope this doesn't discourage you. If there are substantial issues related to the trial in the Shire Hall that are omitted from the current version of the article and which you think should be included, I'm happy to have a discussion on the article talk page about adding them. Thanks for contributing. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) they broke formatting rules
 * 2) they largely concerned events outside the Shire Hall itself.  It may well be a good idea to have a separate article on the trial of John Frost et al., but the Shire Hall article isn't the right place to go into the background of Chartism, the Newport Rising, or the aftermath or implications of the trial -
 * 3) some of your edits were not written in a style that most would expect to find in an encyclopedia - more in a work of popular history.


 * I'm new to this so not sure about formating rules - can you help me - what have I done wrong?


 * To undertand the Chartist Trials held at the Shire Hall you need the back story . What happened that led to the Chartists appearing in the dock there formed part of the evidence presented at the Trials - so it would seem to be integral to the Shire Hall story. There are also gaps and points that are not quite right which were edited.


 * The two pictures which were added are absolutely vital to the Trials - one as evidence and the other showing a contemporary commemorative print of the court room at the Shire Hall. Can you explain why they don't fit on the Shire Hall page please ? I think the aftermath and implications of the Trials help to show the Historical significance in relation to what happened in the Shire Hall?


 * Thank youRuthapricot (talk) 23:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I've indented your comments using these - : - for ease of reading. I'm not sure precisely what you did in terms of formatting, but basically your edits left bits of code, referencing, etc. in the article, which made it look messy and difficult to read.  I think the basic point is that Wikipedia articles don't need to go into too much detail about background.  It would be good to have an article about the trial, its background and implications - but that article needs to be created, rather than information being shoehorned into the article about the Shire Hall, where one part of the whole process (i.e. the trial itself) took place.  I suspect that a lot of your text comes from the Shire Hall publication, Voices for the Vote (and, by the way, you may want to check out the guidance at Close paraphrasing).  That publication sets out all the background and aftermath, quite rightly, as it places the trial itself in necessary context within a single printed document.  In Wikipedia, we don't need to do it that way.  The same background material is better set out in other articles, linked by internal links, so that readers can click freely between articles and get a full understanding that way.  No-one denies the importance of the Chartist trial, but the Shire Hall existed long before that one trial and still exists now - putting too much information about the trial within the Shire Hall article itself unbalances the article, in my view.  And, the pictures illustrate the trial, they don't illustrate the building.  But, that's just my opinion.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:18, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * PS: It may be a good idea to continue this discussion at Talk:Shire Hall, Monmouth, rather than here, in order to get the views of other editors. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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