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speedy deletion
Hi, just a note--Head pope, while certainly deletable, was not a valid candidate for speedy deletion, especially since it was already listed on vfd. Generally, it's best to let the vfd nomination play out. Thanks, Meelar (talk) 20:28, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Dang, and I just changed the tag. I should have stayed with my instincts, I'm still pretty new. Should I change it back?Rx StrangeLove 20:33, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Northeast Minneapolis
About those brackets: no problem! Good article, too. It's always nice browsing the Newpages section, isn't it?

The Nail
Hello, Rx StrangeLove. I'm very sorry that I didn't see your note. If I had then I wouldn't have simply deleted your article. Your article on The Nails (of whom I know - I've always liked "88 Lines about 44 Women") was legitimately tagged as a speedy because it was a "substub".

However, because you contacted me about it, I undeleted it and tagged it as a substub: for the time being it is no longer up for deletion. You'll have to add some information to the article soon, however, or somebody else may come along and un-undo what I undid.

Let me know if you have any other questions or problems. – ClockworkSoul 01:14, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Welcome
I might be a bit late on this one, but I think you are a promising editor, so I want to personally welcome you instead of relying on a template message. In case you have questions, I can answer a few. Not all, but some at least. ;) Nice to have you on WP:WSS, also. It's a project that really grows on you with time. Cheers! --Sn0wflake 16:42, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nice!
Just thought i'd add a message to say i'm extremely impressed that you managed to revert some vandalism to Cheese (which is a constant target) within one minute! Well done sir!

Danielsmith 01:42, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
I am glad that I can count with your support. --Sn0wflake 05:30, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for supporting me on my RfA. It's always nice to get some positive feedback. I hope I can put my new abilities to some good use. -- grm_wnr Esc  17:35, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dennis Miller
Things must be going a little slow on the honeymoon, eh? I like your logon name. Anyway, good luck with the nut that keeps messing with the Dennis Miller article. He must check it 100 times a day in order to keep putting back his inane comments. I pointed it out to User:Joy Stovall, who's an admin, and he admits there's not much to do about it except put him on the annoyance list. Wahkeenah 2 July 2005 21:53 (UTC)

RC Patrol
I'm impressed. You are really fast at reverting vandalism. I keep getting the "rollback failed" message because you got there first. Joyous (talk) July 8, 2005 23:41 (UTC)

aircraft specs
I see you've been adding specifications to several articles that were lacking them - thanks for your contribution. You might want to look into the WikiProject:Aircraft group for some more standardized specifications layouts, as well as other information on the Wikipedia's ongoing aerospace projects.

One thing we've been trying to do is limit specifications to the one most-produced model. This cuts down on excess information, and since our project standard is to use a non-table text format for specifications (due to standards, mobile devices, and some issues with inline images and tables within the article), it can sometimes be difficult to get all the variants. Even with the old sidebar it was hard, and as some aircraft have dozens of variants it's impossible to cover them all.

Anyway, I'm glad you've jumped on board, and all of us in the project are happy to help. If you've got any questions hop on the talk page or ask any of the active members. -eric &#9992; 04:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: Masturbation
''Hi, I noticed that you restored some pretty POV material from the Masturbation article. I was wondering if you meant to do that or if you felt the edits are legits. I was on RC patrol and I saw that edit come through and it looked like blanking vandalism at first glance but it seemed to me that someone was taking out some pretty questionable material. I just wanted to let you know because I'm going to take it back out. If you feel it belongs there drop me a note...Thanks! Rx StrangeLove 03:43, 18 July 2005 (UTC)''
 * I reverted myself; I hit the wrong rollback button by mistake. Kelly Martin 03:45, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Emmett
Doh! Thanks for catching (and fixing) my mistake. Friday 03:31, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
After monitoring the recent changes feed for some time, I must say that I find your diligent and prompt reversion of vandalism to be commendable. From reading your talk page, I understand that I am not alone in my opinion. I hereby award you the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar for your hard work. -D. Wu 02:12, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Jive.exe
Hi! That was just a bit of nonsense as I recall. Can't recall the exact content, though. Sorry. :) - Lucky 6.9 05:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Frisco, Hello
Hi. I've decided to start dropping notes to folks who inadvertently link to disambig pages - not that I've never done it myself, but just as a helpful reminder. In Hello, Frisco, Hello, you linked to "Oscar", when you were thinking of Academy Award. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 04:19, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

More thanks!
Doc, I can't thank you enough for the Barnstar. It's a nice feeling to know that my work isn't for naught. Much obliged. Anything I can do to return the favor, just let me know. - Lucky 6.9 05:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

VfD headers
Thanks again, Doc. I was all over the admin's pages trying to find those templates. Double thanks for closing out the discussion! - Lucky 6.9 19:08, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Hentai
Don't think I haven't noticed your Hentai fixation. :-) Keep up the good work reverting vandals. --GraemeL (talk) 16:03, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Yosui Inoue
Hi, I saw that you put a CSD tag on Yosui Inoue, I removed it for now...a quick search seemed to indicate that he's fairly notable in Japan so I thought I'd add some content so we can save it. If not I'll AfD it....but I like to save legitimate subjects if I can. Thanks! Rx StrangeLove 17:18, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Howdy! If it can be expanded, that would be great,  My speedy delete nomination was just following WP:CSD section 1.3 article 1, which cites "Very short articles providing little or no context (e.g., "He is a funny man that has created Factory and the Hacienda. And, by the way, his wife is great."). Limited content is not in itself a reason to delete if there is enough context to allow expansion.".  If you are willing to expand it, then I agree with your decision to remove the SD.  If that is not your intention, please consider the item from CSD I listed above and use your best judgement.  Best regards, C HAIRBOY  17:25, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed, as it was it's a legit CSD, now as I'm looking I think I'll be able to expand it. I hope you didn't take this as a criticism as none was meant! Like I said, I enjoy saving articles from the bin (assuming of course that they belong in the first place!). Cheers! Rx StrangeLove 17:49, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the barnstar. You do a great job, too. I'm always getting the "rollback failed" message, with your name attached. Joyous (talk) 01:57, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

notenglish
Not being written in english is actually (surprisingly enough) not a criterion for speedy deletion. Tag those articles with notenglish instead and they'll get cleaned up in due course. Thanks for helping out on RC patrol! --fvw *  00:26, September 5, 2005 (UTC)


 * Good Lord you're right! I would have bet the house on it...I must have scanned article #2 and not read further. And one of my pet peeves is bending the rules on CSD. I'll laugh about it after my face stops turing red :) Rx StrangeLove 00:39, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

RfA
Hey there, Rx. I see you've been pretty prolific with vandal fighting - the comments above speak for themselves. I'd think you'd benefit from being nominated as an admin - the rollback button works wonders, as does the ability to block those persistent vandals. You've got a good number of edits and a good amount of experience - I think that means you're ready for someone to nominate you on RfA, if you so desire. Let me know if you want me to go ahead and do that. By the way, thanks for reverting my user page :). Nufy8 01:58, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, RfA created. Go check it out.

Thanks for fixing the copyvio on Cropsey Township
Just wanted to leave you a note thanking you for making the stub to fix Cropsey Township. JesseW, the juggling janitor 09:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi there. Thanks for the support on my RfA; I was surprised at how widely supported it was. Please do keep an eye on me and my logs, especially while I learn my way around the new buttons. Thanks again. -Splash 16:36, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Reuben Restaurant
I think the problem was that you put a | symbol in after the url and that makes the link not work. Glad to help polish the great investigation you did rewriting that article. Now having spent much of last night and this morning working on the VfD, the restaurant article, and the sandwich article, I do believe I am going to have me a Reuben sandwich for lunch. -EDM 18:48, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Excellent job!
Good job on my friend Rogers damage/ vandalism by someone. I happen to have it on my watch list. Didn't even see it either. Have to run. Scott 21:40:54, 2005-09-09 (UTC)

Brugges is an excellent little town to have a honeymoon in. Good choice!

?? Scott 04:35:57, 2005-09-10 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my userpage. Greatly appreciated!  Journalist  C./ Holla @ me!

Congratulations!
I'm pleased to inform you that you are now an administrator. Please consider reading all the material on the administrators' reading list before testing out your new privileges. Though everything you do, excluding image deletions and page history merges, is reversible, you should nevertheless be very careful with your sysop capabilities. For instructions, please see the administrators' how-to guide. Good luck! &mdash; Dan | Talk 05:11, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations! Andre ( talk ) 00:43, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Congrats from me too. Well worth supporting, so there was no problem there - have fun with the cranks and levers, and if you have any questions don't hesitate to drop me a line! Grutness...  wha?  01:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! You earned it. --Canderson7 02:26, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Lucky dog
Congratulations, Rx StrangeLove, You lucky dog! Maybe someday for me. Scott 02:29:48, 2005-09-13 (UTC)

Popups tool
Lupin|talk|popups 12:12, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you very kindly for your support of my nomination. I promise your trust hasn't been misplaced; I will only be slightly buzzed with power, but never drunk. ;) &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 21:13, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you so much for reverting vandalism to my user page:

I, V. Molotov, hereby give you this Wiki Defender Barnstar for defense of Wikipedia against vandalism.



Take care, Molotov (talk)  21:54, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Request
I am asking past editors of the Karl Rove page to weigh in on a survey. If you can spare a couple of minutes, please visit this page: Talk:Karl Rove/September Survey, read the introduction, and answer the three questions that have been posed. Thank you. paul klenk 09:05, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Re The Succubus dup header thing
Hi Rx. Welcome to adminship ;-) I've responded to your post on my talk page there, with a possible explanation of how it might have happened. If anything I wrote there is unclear or you have any other questions at all, feel free to ask. I'd be happy to try and answer them. Regards. Paul August &#9742; 15:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Beech King Air
Hi. I noticed you removed the BE10 picture. I put up a new one that I took and is PD. For some reason though I'm not getting the little blurb under the picture. Any idea why? Is it a function of the box that it's in? Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather 15:13, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

image:Brugge_Canel.jpg|300px|thumb|right| A pretty canal scene in Brugge taken on my Honeymoon 2005
 * Do you mean the caption under the picture in the article? That's a function of the formatting when you insert the photo. For instance (without the brackets):

The text about the canal scene goes to the right of the | character. You can see it used on my userpage. Let me know if this answers your question! Sorry about the hassle but there's a project that's clearing out unsourced images. Rx StrangeLove 23:53, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I was missing out the word "thumb". No hassle as I didn't load up the original picture. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather 04:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Cordeliamoon.jpg
Shouldn't this have been removed from the articles it was on before being deleted? I don't recall what this image looked like, but I imagine it was probably a PD NASA photo.--Pharos 03:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC) Sorry, no, I meant that it might be a good idea to leave an interval between removing images from articles and deleting them, so that anyone with an eye on the article would be alerted and could potentially supply a reference of status. In this instance, though, it's not a big deal, because it's from a NASA source relatively easy to track down.--Pharos 03:26, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes they should, I'm going around doing just that. I'll go back and check that one though if I missed it. As far as PD goes it might be but there's no indication of that status. Thanks for checking though! Rx StrangeLove 03:08, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Question, I took that photo off of the two pages it appeared in before deletion, did you see another appearance? If so I'd like to get of off there also...thanks! Rx StrangeLove 03:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Sendai, Miyagi
I recently noticed that you deleted the map from the Sendai, Miyagi article. I get why you did it and I was sure it was bound to happen sooner or later, but do you think you might know under what copyright maps such as that would fall under. The original creator of the maps (I did recoloring) doesn't put any copyright tags on his/her images on the ja.wikipedia, failed to explain, in detail, what he wanted for in terms of copyrights, and has neglected to answer the question about them I posted on his/her talk page. If you don't know, that's perfectly fine; I've just had a lot of trouble searching for concrete answers. Thanks!


 * -Nameneko 06:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

AfD relistings
Hey there. AfD relistings are a good idea when there's little to no debate. However, can I just remind to you remove the subpage from its original day, after you've added it to the new day? Otherwise, we can't close off the original day properly and it looks like (at first glance) that it has already been relisted. Thanks. -Splash talk 17:30, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Hayle
Why did you rewrite the article on Hayle, claiming it was a copyvio? I can't find any notice in the page's history of which copyrighted page you feel it was a violation of. It was not, as it happens. I used some information from a source, but it was original work. You replaced my article, which was a decent stub, with a poorly written page that omitted the information I had included. Why? Grace Note 01:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I had a look back through your contribs to try to find what the copyvio was supposed to be. I'm afraid Grutness must have had an off-day. Not only have I never seen that webpage but it bears no resemblance at all to my article. It mentions some of the same things, naturally, because it's on the same subject. But it's hard to imagine that someone could think they were the same piece.

To be a copyright violation, an article has to actually be a lift from another source. Even if I paraphrased the entire original article, which I did not, it would not be a violation of copyright. Worst case, you could claim I plagiarised it if I did not source it. But, as I say, I did not. The two bear absolutely no resemblance. How could they? I have not until now read the webpage in question. I doubt it even existed when I wrote the article (the site it's on seems to be just slightly older than the article and I doubt it sprang fully formed from the author's head, do you?). Now that I have, I'm certainly going to include some of the stuff from it!

Apart from anything else, I'm an editor in good faith. You replaced an article I had worked on, claiming it was a copyright violation. You did not alert me to your concerns, either at my old username or at the one I now use (the old page links to the new). If you think this is an acceptable way to approach an issue where you are making a serious accusation of malfeasance against another editor, think again. Grace Note 02:14, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the explanation. I'm not an admin so I can only see the history that's there, which shows my article being replaced as a copyvio. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. As it happens, I do assume good faith, but I think that were you to put yourself in my shoes, you'd come to the same conclusion. Anyway, no harm done. Thanks again for explaining. -- Grace Note

Note of Thanks
Just a short note to say thank you for relisting the Killer Japanese Seizure Robots on AFD. I messed up the AFD and didn't notice for a few days. Cheers - Hahnchen 00:21, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism Clearup - Note of Thanks
Thanks for clearing up the senseless vandalism on my user page. Your help is very much appreciated. Andrew 23:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
StrangeLove-- Thank you for your comments concerning my RfA. However, your vote was posted past the ending date, and may not be counted. Fortunately for you, I do not think I had enough support anyways. No worries. I'll try to prove to you over the next few months that I would make a valued admin. Cheers my friend. -- Lord Vold e  mort  (Dark Mark)  13:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

User:67.15.119.25
Just giving you a heads up, I unblocked User:67.15.119.25 and reblocked for a month. There have been repeated blocks that seem to have been ignored, so I felt a longer block was in order. Hope you don't mind. -- Essjay ·  Talk 23:54, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem, I just didn't want you to think I was second-guessing your judgment. ;-) -- Essjay ·  Talk 00:04, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Uncontested deletions
I've just launched my deletion reform proposal at Deletion reform/Proposals/Uncontested deletions. Any help with publicising this - and getting up a discussion would be appreciated. --Doc (?) 18:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

hypervideo
why was this deleted with only three people having had the chance to look at it and discuss? Did you read the article, and if so, what exactly was wrong with it? Regarding the complaints of chairboy, dottoreso, et al...The research was not original, the term has been in use since 1996 (see my links to academic footnotes) and it was definitely not as commercial as many of the other articles in this encyclopedia (i.e. windows vista).

--Maestro44 04:24, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

''I got your note about this AFD, as the closing admin, I'm not given a lot of latitude when closing them. Sometimes when there's a lack of participation in an AFD we can relist them but there's such a backlog that I generally don't unless there's very limited (read:none or one "voter"). Having said that, I have no problem relisting but if we relisted all AFDs that had this level of discussion we'd never get through them. I am sorry, we do the best we can.'' Rx StrangeLove 04:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

coercive monopoly
Hi. Since you participated in the AfD for coercive monopoly, you might be interested in the major rewrite I just did. I'm sure there will be considerable discussion ensuing, and a cool head such as yours would be useful. Rd232 11:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Spammer/spambot
Keep on blocking. I've got the rollbacks. --GraemeL (talk) 23:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

13 August 1960
hi. i'm sitting next to the git who keeps making the article for 13 August 1960. (We're in a computer lab at school). How do I speedy this article whenever he makes it?

Thanks

PS: This silly git has also began making articles for other dates (which are all useless stubs, i.e. "This is one of the many days of which JFK did not die on..." (he's an idiot!). ZPMMaker 00:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I've asked him nicely, I've tried bribing him with lollies... ahh he won't! How do I do a speedy tag? Check the Recent Changes page for any articles relating to dates... he's very annoying! ZPMMaker 01:41, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Hallo Rx StrangeLove I have texste far away because it already exestiert in Kurdish articles the over organistationens and groups

Re User:205.188.116.131
I know he was persistent, but 24 hours might be a bit much for an AoL proxy. --GraemeL (talk) 23:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yup, I think you are right about a shorter block overriding. I wouldn't have questioned the length if it wasn't an ISP proxy. --GraemeL (talk) 23:06, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

13 August 1960 With A Vengeance!
Hey Rx. To repeat myself, how does one do a speedy or a vote for deletion thing? Also, how do I get a table of contents on my talk page? Thanks, ZPMMaker 07:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Juan Berenguer
Actually, we saw it at the same time and had the same instincts, and after a couple edit conflicts I think what happened is that, in adding what I'd written during the conflict, I accidentally replaced your perfectly good stub tag with a malformed stub tag, and then had to go back and fix it. So, it was all my fault, but it worked out. Thanks for your message. Chick Bowen 04:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

webpage
Hi RX, I'm relatively new to wikipedia. But I'm wondering why the page on Jonathan Krive was deleted. It contained relevant information about an indivdual who is gaining notoriety in the political arena. Can it be restored? I know several people put work into it.

Thanks.

User:203.56.233.122
User:203.56.233.122 is at it again, this time vandalizing a featured article, among others: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eigenvalue%2C_eigenvector_and_eigenspace&diff=prev&oldid=27022776 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia&diff=prev&oldid=27022576 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sandra_Day_O%27Connor&diff=prev&oldid=27022368

Please Block him

Regarding anon user 203.56.233.122
Please keep an eye up for this user. The block is about to expire, and by the looks of his talkpage, it doesn't look like he/she is going to quit vandalizing any time soon. Bjelleklang -  talk 01:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks. Especially since one of the vandalized articles is now a featured article. Bjelleklang -  talk 01:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Brandt
Since it was unprotected thepage has been blanked 5 times in an hour. Brandt has askedon his wikipedia watch site "Who will rid me of this meddlesome article?" .

As a result, he and his freinds are vandalising it systematically. What to do?

jucifer 22:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message and for helping defend this article. I was hoping that heads would have cooled while it was protected, but apparently someone's taking this call for attack rather seriously.  Personally I'm strongly opposed to page protection of an article except in the direst circumstances, but if that's what it takes to keep the page stable then so be it.  It's better that than allowing Brandt and his fellow trolls to run wild.  Perhaps if we give the article another 12-24 hours and try unprotecting again?  Perhaps the vandals will eventually realize that resistance is in fact  futile ;).  Again, thanks. Canderson7 23:56, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know, Rx. SlimVirgin (talk) 03:56, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my userpage :-) Kirill Lokshin 02:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

thanks for the info
Hi there,

Thanks for responding to my inquiry. The reason listed for the deletion of the page "Jonathan Krive" was listed as "The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title." I don't know exactly why or how. Would you show me how to make the page valid or listed correctly? I appreciate your help.

Daniel Brandt
Because IPs are constantly changing I am very hesitant to block and would rather protect the page. But if there are a number of users willing to sit and revert for a while, like what is always done on the daily featured article, then I will not get in the way. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I removed it for now, have fun... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:46, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Strangelove
Do you know the origin of your moniker, ever seen "The Fog of War"?

thanks
thanks for reverting the vandalism to my userpage. I have blocked User:218.101.117.9 for 1 month because of the death threats. Jtkiefer T - 03:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This guy just doesn't want to quit it seems, thanks again. Jtkiefer  T - 03:12, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Jonathan Krive
Hi RX,

I checked the reason listed for the deletion of the page Jonathan Krive. All it said was that the title was improper. How can that be fixed? Apparently there was nothing wrong with the content.

Thanks.

wikipedia-watch
Hi,

I'm leaving this message on the page of all the users mentioned by Brandt on this new page of his wikipeida-watch site. As you can see from the link, he's put together a list of the Wikipedia users that he sees as his enemies, and is trying to collect as much personal information as he can about each of them. Just thought I should let you know. Canderson7 12:33, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Kim Birtch
I rolled back your edits to Articles for deletion/Kim Birtch, as you appeared to have closed an AfD debate I had already closed, with the same result. &mdash; J I P | Talk 18:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Stewielocks
I voted to delete the hoax article Stewielocks and the Three Griffins, and you took care of the matter, but now it's back. What course of action should be taken now? Robert Happelberg 21:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Robert Happelberg 23:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

REAL ULTIMATE SIDAWAY
You had better get a life and admit Tony Sidaway has REAL ULTIMATE POWER or he will chop your head off. Its an easy choice if you ask me!

I'm a Ninja!

Thank you!
Hi Rx StrangeLove, Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Regards, Joann e B 14:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)