User talk:Ryulong/Archive 40

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I'm not sure how you were able to do it...
but thanks for adding the dub episode names CORRECTLY to the Pretty Cure page. Just one question, how were able to insert the japanese characters and where were you able to find them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.247.211 (talk) 12:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * One of the websites I go to has the Japanese titles so I occasionally check up on the Pretty Cure content on Wikipedia.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 15:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Shuki Levy
As it's been a couple of years since you applied the following semiprotection I've started a review to see if it's still considered necessary. Please see the talk page.


 * 05:31, 8 June 2007 Ryulong protected Shuki Levy &lrm; (This page constantly gets hit by one vandal; do not unprotect without contacting me. [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed])

--TS 01:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The vandal behind the protection is still active now and again. There is currently an abuse filter in place to prevent some of his edits, but it does not prevent him from vandalizing all articles. This page should not be unprotected unless I can get Bell Canada to remove the subscriber from their system so he cannot access Wikipedia.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. --TS 01:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

The U
Since the discussion at Talk:University of Miami is not leading to dialog, I've moved the discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities to get broader perspective. Please feel free to join the dialog. Racepacket (talk) 13:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There is an official website that refers to the University of Miami as "The U". I don't see why there needs to be any broader dialogue about it.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If there was an "official" website referring to the U there would not be a discussion about it on the discussion page. Please seek consensus on Talk:University of Miami and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities before making edits.  As noted, there are also websites where "The U" is used to describe the University of Utah and the University of Missouri student radio station.  I don't understand the logic of your position and would like to see a response to the discussion. Racepacket (talk) 19:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * THE DISCUSSION ON THE TALK PAGE IS TWO YEARS OLD.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * With all respect, it would appear that Sept 2, 2009 comes less than 6 months after March 27, 2009. Racepacket (talk) 03:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The comment on March 27 is unrelated to the comments in April 2007.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 03:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I await your comments on the Talk:University of Miami page. I thought that we were very close.  Would it be possible for you to let other people react rather than reverting everything yourself?  I try to reflect the discussions and your concerns, but maybe you should comment and give me a few chances to advance some fusion proposals.  What you revert to does not represent the consensus and does not appear to advance the search for a solution.  I await your analysis on the talk page. Thanks. RacePacket (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The common courtesy is to discuss a change and then let people talk about it and then put it into effect.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 22:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Names
I'd like to help with this if that's okay, like you expressed a desire for names of artists to have articles (this was the point of them remaining red links) so if I could get started on that it should be less work because they wouldn't need to be deleted right? Oh and also, when you're done with them and if you decide you don't want them hosted on your userspace anymore, would it be okay if instead of deleting them they were moved to my userspace? I like to maintain archives and stuff and would like to maintain the histories of the pages in question since they are not just personal content but part of a mini-project regarding my edits which I would like to observe. Tyciol (talk) 01:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That was not my issue with names of real people. It was that you made redirects to a single instance of something any of those people had done, and this was always to a film article or an anime article. And then there was your taking of every possible combination of that person's name, if we did not already have an article on the given names or surnames, and redirecting them to that same target. This list is going to remain in my subspace for the time being, and I will decide what I want to do with them when the clean up has completed.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There were multiple issues with real people, I did not forget yours. As your project pertains to me I would like to be able to give feedback about it, should I do so to them individually or may I use the talk page for that? Tyciol (talk) 07:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Do not target them individually. State things on the talk page if necessary.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 07:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, but at least something like deleted would be good so one could easily click to see what was removed. This works on talk pages since they're not moved or anything. I guess on the talk page it would be like a section for each dispute, I will work on converting the comments into proper format. Tyciol (talk) 07:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't care what the whole of the text was. If you need more than ten sentences to say anything to me, I will likely not want to hear it.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 07:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

School colors
Where the school colors are listed, there is no tag. What requires a citation is the interpretation that this color combination is based on the colors of an orange tree. Thanks. Racepacket (talk) 03:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've found such a reference.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 03:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

New Doctor Steel Page AfD
Hi. You weighed in on the Doctor Steel AfD debate back in February 2007. Thought you might like to know that there is a new one up for review, in case you wish to comment again. I have contacted as many as I could who weighed in on the last one, both for and against, in an effort to be fair. --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 06:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't I delete it?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 06:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Suntan U
When I reverted the "Suntan U" addition on University of Miami, it had a Time magazine citation that made no reference to "Suntan U," not the one that you properly included with your revision, which does. Just thought I'd explain my edit, since I very much appreciate your good contributions to that and other pages on here. MiamiDolphins3 (talk) 03:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Why don't we try to work things out before the protection gets lifted? Are you willing to drop "Commonly?" Racepacket (talk) 01:03, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you going to stop changing around the meaning of the lead and using the Wyoming model?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What I propose is that each of us make up a list of what we view as the constraints on an acceptable lead and we exchange them. Then each of us proposes what we believe is a lead that meets both sets of constraints. Racepacket (talk) 03:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Why is that at all necessary? I've suggested "informally" be used instead of "commonly" and I merely want you to not subvert the meaning of the sentence.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 03:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just so that I fully understand your proposal, it would be: "The University of Miami (informally referred to as UM, Miami, or The U" I can live with that if everyone else can. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 09:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Changing "commonly" to "informally".— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

You could just revert this but...
On the AN/I discussion what I am prepared to aim for is an agreement between you and Powergate92 perhaps, or to other editors with whom you have issues with, that may seem somewhat hindering for you short term, but will be good for you in the long term. If all you are asking is for people to let you mind your own business, is it possible for you and the others to come to a CIVIL agreement that will allow that to happen?--Sky Attacker   Here comes the bird!  05:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't need someone looking at every edit I do. That's all I need to come out of this.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 05:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to but in, but that is what happens everywhere. Every edit should be checked, regardless of who it is or who it is done by. – túrian  patois  07:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That is ridiculous.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 08:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: WP:UNGOOGLE
I'm just going off of what I was told on IRC. I've never actually done this myself. :-/ Hers fold  (t/a/c) 01:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They don't seem to like me. I had requested they remove some cached versions of my old website and they rejected them all.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: SPI/AIV
Without a SPI report that can be used to look at and compare edit histories of past socks with current IPs, I have no basis to determine if your report is an IP-hopping vandal or not. While I have absolutely no doubt as to your dedication to improving the project, the only thing you have given me to go on for these block requests is your word, and pardon me for being blunt, but I am unwilling to risk my admin `bit on the word of someone who lost his. Regards, — Kralizec! (talk) 04:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

A favor (a vandal)...
Sorry to disturb you, but is it possible for you to block. He seems to be the vandal who operated from the 118.137.x.x range. I know this because of his MO of misinformation by connecting movie studios and anime, etc. BTW, one of the numerous articles he vandalized today is Power Rangers: Ninja Storm. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 09:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not an admin.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:37, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Anymore? I'm sorry. When were you demoted? Because I never know you were. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 09:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A few months ago. Go to ANI.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

AIVandal script.
I cleaned up the WP:ARV script a bit and the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=314635503 test] succeeded apparently. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 01:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Redirects
Im just posting to say i've been busy and haven't had time to work on the Redirects (either page). I will still plan to get to it eventually. -- Soap Talk/Contributions 01:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Shinkenger movie
Why nobody update plot of that article?--Lê (talk) 12:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because no one wanted to. It's not here for you to write the Vietnamese version.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm just curious to know. I searched it on Youtube but can't found. Why you angry? Did I do anything bad?--Lê (talk) 12:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You are bothering me a lot because you only want to make the pages on vi: better. You are not here to help out this project.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I will try. :)--Lê (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just say something on all the pages at vi: that you or Seansoo have translated have come from this language Wikipedia.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:45, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this messenger, i don't know Seasoo, if you want a page I not translation from en, is it vi:AkaRed.--Lê (talk) 12:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No. I want you to take pages you translated from en and put on vt and say you took them from en.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * How? I can interwiki them, but I don't know we have this template :This article transted from en wikipedia, that not GPDL--Lê (talk) 13:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Say it on the talk page.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 13:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * [//vi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ti%C3%AAu_b%E1%BA%A3n:TOKU&diff=2276489&oldid=2084824 How about now], that means Note: Many Tokusatsu Vietnamese Wikipedia articles were transted from English Wikipedia, are you happy?--Lê (talk) 13:15, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 22:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm kind of thinking you are so mean in this case. I guess you think that over-3-million articles are written by mother tongue English-speaking people. We contribute and translate things from our languages to en and we translate from here to spread the free knowledge to all. Quite disappointed to me. Tân (talk) 05:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Magicknight94 has done none of that. He merely does interwiki stuff and bothers me when he can't find something he cannot find to translate for use on vi.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 05:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Come on, which rules say that ? The template is not the property of the English wikipedia, not belong to only EW. Magicknight create "en:xxx..." is OK enough. If you feel bad, go to other articles and other wikipedias and say it. Many wikipedias translate the artcle from English wikipedia, from other wikipedia and do not need to say: "This article I translate from English wikipedia." Even in the EW there are some articles which are translated from Vietnamese wikipedias, and our Vietnamese users do not demand you to write: "This article I translate from Vietnamese wikipedia.". The articles do not belong to you, do not belong to only EW even if you are their creator, we do not need to ask your permission to do that. Moreover, the template will be changed in the future, thus it won't be just mere "translated from Wikipedia." Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 07:59, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It should be said somewhere that the article comes from another Wikipedia to ensure the GFDL is kept.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 08:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A, I forgot, sorry to say rude words to you. I lost my temper at that time. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 08:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * All I want is that it be said somewhere that the particular article came from en.wp. There are a bunch that did that were not listed as such when they were made.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 08:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is not neccessary, as I stated earlier, the articles of wikipedia is not the property of one wikipedia, not the property of their creators (so may creators, who own them ?). The creators do not have the copyright of the articles and the English wikipedia do not have the copyright, either. Creating the interwiki is enough. Furthermore, the translated articles will certainly be changed in the future, it will be very very different from the original ones, it won't be merely "translated from xxx Wikipedia." Our Vietnamese wikipedia's users do not demand you to write: "This article I translate from Vietnamese wikipedia." so do not make such demands like this. If you want us to do write "This article I translate from English wikipedia", please write "This article I translate from Vietnamese wikipedia." in many articles of this English wikipedia, and please write ""This article I translate from xxx wikipedia." in many other wikipedias. Talk to me when you finish all these stuff. Don't ever have a thought that: "the English Wikipedia is biggest and most qualified, thus it have more power than other wikipedias." No. Our wikipedia may be much much smaller, but viwiki and en.wiki is on the same level of status. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 09:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is something I requested of the primary translator. It is said between multiple projects that pages have been translated. There is a template for it on en and vt. I know that they are pointed out on en.wp as this template is used: Template:Translated page. They are pointed out on some pages on vi.wp. Just not the ones that Magicknight94 put up. That is why I asked him to put it up. These translated articles that Magicknight94 edits have barely been changed. He even copies the formatting here.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I admit that the license of Wikipedia ask people to attribute the name of authors of original works (as WP:CC-BY-SA-3.0 said, not GFDL anymore). However, most of them didn't do that, I hope you agree with me on that. They can forgot, bypass the license between 2 projects of WMF, or even didn't know that. So, if you take your contribution so seriously, Magicknight94 should write your name in edit summary, not the template, because the template has been used in every vi.wiki articles that he thought it is related to his project (maybe you don't know this). Secondly, I wish you assume good faith on him, because he is a kid (b.1994) who loves Tokusatsu and want to expand this field in vi.wiki, and seems to admire the en.wiki project very much. About the formatting, many users learned the designs of Main Page cross-projects but hardly hear any comments. About the picture, the wisest thing is upload your OTRS picture to Commons for every projects, and not violate your contributions on that (I don't dare to say your copyright). Tân (talk) 10:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not asking to be referred to. I merely want the fact that they were translated from en.wiki to be mentioned. I am not assuming bad faith at all. I just know that he has not said which pages came directly from en.wiki.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 11:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that technically, as a result of our transition to CC-BY-SA, an interwiki link to the original article is enough to satisfy the license. However, I agree that, as a courtesy, the Vietnamese Wikipedia should be better about explicitly crediting the source wiki in translations. In the past, I would simply add an interwiki and state Dịch từ Wikipedia tiếng Anh ("Translated from the English Wikipedia") in the first edit's summary. Do you happen to know how other wikis tend to do this, especially wikis with fewer than 100,000 articles (since they primarily translate)? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 09:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So I read the license again, and indeed clause 4(c)(iv) requires an explicit credit, giving the example "French translation of the Work by Original Author" (where "Original Author" can simply be "Wikipedia"). But it's arguable whether the English Wikipedia can be considered a separate work from the other editions (triggering this requirement) in the first place. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 10:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I usually say where the page comes from if I split one off or work off of an alternate language. Due to Magicknight94's editing the articles, I just want a "This was translated from (link to en.wiki page)".— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 11:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * But firstly, don't be too rude with junior. Especially if you want him/her to understand complicated licenses such as CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL.--AM (talk) 16:58, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It does not matter. He should not be coming to me to ask for content to be written here so he can write it there.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Walled garden
"Reliable third party sources" are hard to find (if they exist at all) for fictional character biographies, other than for characters who have existed for a long period of time. Requesting such references for the above listed page will not do much good, particularly when the page exists to be separate from its parent article and home to the fictional character biographies. I am requesting that you not use the Primary tag again because the article does not host content that requires third party references.

I have added what few third party sources that exist in other articles to cite that the cast members were listed to be part of the cast at some point in the past. Unless you have actual suggestions for other required content, other than referring to the content as "cruft" or "should be merged", don't bother with Primary.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, if you are going to persist in adding these tags to every other list of fictional characters within Category:Power Rangers characters, I will report you for disruptive editing.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It's fairly clear you are running a walled garden and have WP:own issues. I am not going to edit war about this but I will be engaging other editors to co-ordinate clean-up and tagging to try and deal with the problem and bring the articles upto minimum standards. Lots of the articles in that area should be merged or stubbed and there is a lot of fat that needs removing. Why this has been allowed to go on for so long is beyond me. --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You feel free to report me – because that's going to bring eyes onto the walled garden and more eyes means more editors working on the articles to tag them and remove the in-universe tone. So from my viewpoint that's the best thing to happen. --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is not a walled garden. They are lists of fictional characters from notable television programs. Nothing within the articles suggest that there needs to merging, stubbing, or anything done. There is work to be done, yes, but if you are going to persist in tagging every single article in the subject area, I will report you for disruptive editing.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Your accusations of there being a "walled garden" are not assuming good faith. The same could be said for various other subject areas. These are confined to one category of which there are less than 90 members. Category:DC Comics superheroes could be considered a "walled garden" by your standards.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Comic articles need stubbing as much as those power ranger articles. I have a full month off next month so I've got lots of time to try and tackle both and co-ordinate action. --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And if you wish to produce some sort of effort, cooperation with the related WikiProject would be more than welcome. I have just found that certain subject areas do not have a plethora of third party coverage, and that certain articles can be forgiven for not having third party sources when related articles do.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

U Miami
Are we at the point that I can put in the GA renomination? Racepacket (talk) 09:57, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That is up to you.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 10:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Brazil

 * 07:23, 29 April 2008 Ryulong changed protection level for "Brazil" &lrm; ([edit=autoconfirmed:move=sysop])

There had apparently been heavy IP vandalism. I'd like to review this to see if semiprotection is still considered necessary nearly 18 months later. Please see talk:Brazil. --TS 12:48, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Major nations' articles are routinely semiprotected. United States has been semiprotected for a month longer. And it's not like I can unprotect it now.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:52, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * We actually reviewed this at AN a while back coincident with some other protections... I think there was a general feeling that Brazil be left in place, and I was kindof on the fence. If you're willing to watch it though, Tony, I'll give it a shot. –xenotalk 12:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I've copied the above comments to the discussion on talk:Brazil, in order to keep the discussion in one place. --TS 12:49, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: My sig
Ryulong,

Yeah, that extra hidden text was overkill. I didn't think about that before. I've removed it. Thanks! Naluboutes, NaluboutesAeria gloris, Aeria gloris 16:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Block
Could you please tell me how to black a person--Kamen Rider Double (talk) 12:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Who do you want to get blocked?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't want nobody to be blocked just for the future--Kamen Rider Double (talk) 12:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You need an administrator or you need to be an administrator.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * How can i get an administrator or how can i be administrator--Kamen Rider Double (talk) 12:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Tell me what you want to do and I will help.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ultraman gaia references are really external links do you think i should delete them--Kamen Rider Double (talk) 12:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed them myself.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank You. Could I help you in kamen rider double page--Kamen Rider Double (talk) 12:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 13:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Ultra Series Template
In this series template there is superhuman syber squad which really should be denkou choujin gridman isn't it--Kamen Rider Double (talk) 13:07, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It has a link to Gridman.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 13:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, old buddy!
Ryu, I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to see you here. Thanks so much for that report to Meta regarding the Bambifan101 mess. I for one have had it up to here. Gonna log off and get busy with some real life. :) See you soon and thanks again!  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * D: but I need you to block a sock.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 16:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)