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New video game weapons source
Hello! If you are still interested in sources on video game weapons, I just came across the following: "The Top Ten Iconic Video Game Weapons". I hope that is helpful. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 22:33, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

VG interview
Sabre, would you be interested in being interviewed for the next issue of the VG project newsletter?
 * Appreciate it. Please answer the questions at WP:VG/NEWS/D. I'll try to come up with some follow up questions later. Thanks. (Guyinblack25 talk 06:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC))
 * The next issue is set to go out on April 7th. Any time before then is fine. Thanks. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC))
 * Hate to be a bother, but I added a follow up question. Could you answer it when you have the time? :-D (Guyinblack25 talk 19:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC))
 * No worries. Real life trumps wiki life. Thanks for the interview. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC))

Sam & Max S3 FYI
Got season 3 of Sam & Max started, fyi. --M ASEM (t) 21:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I wasn't expecting to have it nice and clean this soon - just that we have more than enough information to start the article. No rush on anything. --M ASEM (t) 22:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Asking at WP:RS/N. --M ASEM (t) 22:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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pixar template
Because we're not going to list every Pixar employee who has a WP page in the template or it would become unnecessarily unwiedly, and he's not part of the Pixar "brain trust" of which the template has been isolated to. Perhaps if he were to do something significantly major at Pixar besides some video game work (say, direct a feature film), but until then... Doesn't mean he can't appear eventually, but there's no reason to include him now. Perhaps List of Pixar staff, but even then I don't see it working.SpikeJones (talk) 22:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * cool. no reason to add him now, but eventually, perhaps.SpikeJones (talk) 23:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

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Book
I've reverted your removal of the link to the books. Feel free to move the box around (some like to use the external links section), but it should be present on these articles. You can also left-align it (by placing |position=left in the template). Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 16:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
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Hi Sabre, Thanks for the good input on the Starcraft 2 criticism section. As you noted, there is a discussion about the section in a Starcraft forum, but the meat of that discussion is on making the section fit wikipedia's standards and finding reliable sources to link to. The goal is to create an unbiased section that informs the public of the current criticism directed at Blizzard without being hostile or negative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zuchinni one (talk • contribs) 17:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Starcraft 2 reception/criticism
Hi Sabre! You seemed to have a very good handle on how to approach any type of reception/criticism section for the Starcraft 2 article. I made a suggestion in the talk page about what to do and I would appreciate your input. Talk:StarCraft_II:_Wings_of_Liberty

Zuchinni one (talk) 03:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Did someone copy-and-paste the Characters of StarCraft article, print it and sell it for money?
Because that might just have happened: http://www.general-books.net/book.cfm?id=3637940 (source link)

If you click on the publisher link, http://booksllc.net/?id=12123161, it leads right back to the Characters of StarCraft page! The random excerpt also looks familiar.

The book is on sale for $10, and is also at Amazon and Barnes & Noble under the ISBN 978-1156-61699-4. The publisher, General Books, has a shady looking link: http://generalbooks.org/index.html Kimera757 (talk) 12:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't a new issue; lots of pulp publishers on Amazon do PoD versions of ripped Wikipedia articles. It's only an issue of copyright if they do not follow the necessary requirements of the license (CC instead of the GNU, which means legally they have a lot more leeway with it.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 15:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

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Judicator vs Templar
Thanks for correcting me on this. I was remembering the audio in my head and thinking you were generally referred to as "Judicator", but it's "Executor" I was actually thinking of. Cheers. Winston365 (talk) 22:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

StarCraft task force in the Signpost
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StarCraft II
I just noticed that the game's going to be released soon (I gave up remembering when it would be released after it was delayed too many times). So, I guess that means that the article needs to reach GA in order for the StarCraft FT to keep its status. Are you up for it? I can pitch in if needed, no problem, although the article looks in relatively decent shape already. I do have one condition, though, before I do any work on it—I have to have actually played the game! I'm on a Mac, so even though they say that the game will be released for Macs, I'm still doubtful as to whether I can actually get my hands on it until I actually have it in my hands (and no, I won't install Windows on my Mac just to play the game. I'm on an old computer.) Gary King  ( talk  ·  scripts )  15:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's out for Macs, and my c. 2008 MacBook Pro barely meets the graphics card requirements... I preordered to get into the beta and they charged me for it, so believe me, Gary, it's coming :P Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 19:37, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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Top Gear Move
Please be aware you have made a unilateral move which is very unhelpful. The moving of this page is very unhelpful as the title had been agreed upon by a very long and contenious discussion. The page was deemed not to be the sole focus of the title Top Gear as it conflicted with the previous Top Gear T.V Series which started in the 1970s. If the phrase Top Gear redirected to the 2002 incarnation then that was clearly an error as it should have redirected to the disambiguation page. Could you please undo your edit and if you still believe that the page needs movigng request that the page be formally moved on the discussion board. I do apreciate your edit was made in good faith, it just flys in the face of the agreed concensus.--Lucy-marie (talk) 21:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank You. --Lucy-marie (talk) 22:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Starcraft
Sigh... it took me like 6 hours of searching the web to find the original retail price of starcraft. : (

I had a bet with a co-worker who was convinced that it retailed at $29.99, and now companies are charging double for the same type of product. Is it not valid to note price as a point of accurate Comparison / perspective? Can you include the price anywhere on a wiki page? It would seem to be this type of data may be useful for historical accuracy, inflationary data, price gauging or research purposes.

Anyways,I didnt expect it to be accepted, keep up the good work!

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.87.177.123 (talk) 20:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Prices are generally not used on Wikipedia articles. This is because prices often change (and often vary compared to the recommended sale price), because different territories often have different prices, and because it can be hard to find reliable sources for pricing at a set point in time. In some cases, we do include them (for example, in Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, the then-high price for the cartridge was expected to hurt sales, so it was worth mentioning) but I'm not sure what utility there would be in this case. "Worth" is a subjective criteria that we should stay away from. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 19:33, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

StarCraft 2
Just an FYI the reason that the image was uploaded is that it was included in a referenced review. I disagree that its purpose was to disparage anything. In fact it is a simple and clear image that describes fan dissatisfaction with Battle.net 2.0 and has been widely used to sum up their frustration.

http://www.softsailor.com/news/34789-starcraft-2-a-disappointment-7-reasons-not-to-buy-it.html

Also, I personally love the game, although I will admit some aspects of Bnet frustrate me. But wikipedia has to stay NPOV and that means including both positive and negative reviews.

Zuchinni one (talk) 12:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you are right that it was a bit for the main reception section. As the reception expands it might be worth splitting it into negative and positive reviews.  In that case it might have a place with the negative reviews since they all seem to focus around Battle.net 2.0's problems and not any issues with the game itself.  But it might have been better to just remove the reference to the image rather than deleting it in its entirety.  Zuchinni one (talk) 12:53, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey Sabre,

The text wasn't mine. Someone else had put it in and another person removed it without no comments. When I looked at the removal it was clear that the text had no references and didn't belong in the article. But I did know of some references that existed so I restored they text, hid it, and added the references I knew about.

I wanted to allow the original author the chance to support what was said without losing their work and without it being included in the article unless it met wikipedia standards.

Zuchinni one (talk) 14:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem ... the only reason I restored and hid it was that I don't like it when people remove sections without any comments.  It makes it difficult to find out where and why the changes occurred.  But I could care less about the content itself.  Zuchinni one (talk) 14:10, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

It is NOT standard and it is completely different from the way the original game was licensed. There has been a HUGE controversy about this, especially in Korea in relation to the e-sports scene, and there is currently a lawsuit that is directly challenging this model of sale.

Please restore this, it is very relevant and should be included. Zuchinni one (talk) 14:07, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Quite a few of the original sources are in Korean, since this change largely has to do with the way the Blizzard wants to get in on the $$$ from the pro-gaming circuit and broadcasting rights. Here are a few non-Korean reports:


 * http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/05/28/blizzard-dumps-kespa-signs-gomtv
 * http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28264/Blizzard_Breaks_Off_KeSPA_Talks_Will_Seek_New_StarCraft_Partner.php
 * http://gamerant.com/blizzard-ends-talks-korean-esports-league-kespa-rory-19276/
 * http://www.eff.org/cases/blizzard-v-bnetd --This one is what stirred up a lot of the current changes
 * http://boingboing.net/2009/11/24/eff-sets-sights-on-a.html

related WOW articles
 * http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008/05/blizzard-attempt-to-kill-wow-bot-bad-news-for-copyright-law.ars
 * http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/judges-ruling-that-wow-bot-violates-dmca-is-troubling.ars


 * I can provide more if you like Zuchinni one (talk) 15:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the revert S@bre. I know we haven't always seen eye-to-eye on this article but I want to you know that I really appreciate your input and changes.  You have a very good sense of how articles should be structured and what should/should not be included.  I've learned quite a bit from your input and I hope that will make me a better editor in the future.  Zuchinni one (talk) 16:07, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

SC2 Overheating
Hi S@bre,

I'd like to ask your help with the "overheating video cards" section of the article.

There has been a lot of back and forth on the topic and it seems that some people are trying to put all the blame on Blizzard and others are putting all the blame on hardware issues.

My personal thoughts, which don't matter at all, is that its somewhere in between. I doubt that a properly cooled computer will get damaged, but on the other hand many computers are not perfect and laptops especially have overheating issues already. Also the problem is easily fixed by framerate locking the menu screens and, as a programmer, I would say that when your program uses more system resources than it needs to, that's a design flaw.

I've done a number of article searches and it seems that most of the articles are simply trying to be informative about the issue and suggesting that people implement the fix that Blizzard put out.

I've only seen one that directly puts the blame on the hardware, if others are out there they should be included as well.

Anyway I think that you're a good and NPOV voice in general and I personally strive to be NPOV myself. I think that the recent edit I made to that section is good, but your input would be greatly appreciated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=StarCraft_II:_Wings_of_Liberty&diff=378068020&oldid=378051406

Cheers,

Zuchinni one (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Images
Sure. Shoot me the image or link to it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 01:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ugh. I was hoping I could cheat by grabbing the FLV resources, but no go for that either. Why the heck does Blizzard use dark and murky shots on indistinct backgrounds... it'll take a while for me to get back to you, I'll shoot you some proofs when I get somewhere with them. ...By the way, how's your StarCraft II experience going? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 15:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I want to beat Metzen over the head for his lame "ANCIENT PROPHECY" dive and the serious retconning, but the gameplay's certainly fun :P I'll try to help with SC2 when I can, maybe during the school year I'll actually have time to devote to Wikipedia instead of working all the time, we'll see. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 14:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Haven't forgot, have made some progress. Kerrigan's being tough, but I've almost finished a rough of Raynor. I'll probably shoot it to you the end of this weekend. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 15:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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Starting my second pass
I'm working over Tales of Monkey Island for the second time, to correct things I missed—and the mistakes I made—during my first pass. Having now read the entire article, I can say that you aren't going to have much trouble reaching FA. I do, however, see one thing that should probably be changed before you nominate it: the Gameplay section's failure to describe chapter-specific gameplay elements beyond those of the first episode.

Having never played the game, I hadn't noticed this omission until I reached the Reception section, where special mention is given to the gameplay elements of a "trial", and a climactic fight sequence, among other scenes. The Gameplay section details the first episode's "treasure hunt mode", but none of the gameplay deviations later in the series. It isn't huge, but it will cause people who haven't played the game—or any games, for that matter—to have trouble following the Reception section. I recommend that you address this before proceeding to FAC. Beyond that, though, I don't foresee any issues. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 17:24, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize that they used the same mechanics. Yes; your proposed wording would clear this up nicely. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 18:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am very pleased to say that my second pass is finished, which marks the completion of my copyedit. Aside from the handful deadlinks, or some guideline or other that's been introduced since my last FAC, you should be good to go. Having had extensive time to look it over, I can say that I'd definitely support it; drop me a line when the time comes. Good luck. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 22:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! It was a lot of fun. And I hope the deadlinks can be resolved without too much trouble; they can be a real pain to deal with, sometimes. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 21:13, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

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Why did you revert the "Tales of Monkey Island" section of Elaine Marley?
In the "Tales of Monkey Island" section of Elaine Marley, the story claims that "Guybrush returns as a ghost and maneuvers LeChuck into a position where Elaine can attack him with the cutlass." I think you've got it wrong: Guybrush's spirit can't maneuver LeChuck into a position when Elaine can attack him (before returning to life, that is); Guybrush has to return in zombie form in order to maneuver LeChuck BEFORE he (Guybrush) can return to life. Can't you correct the trivia for once, instead of reverting the changes I made?--Angeldeb82 (talk) 15:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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Half Life
The info I added to Half Life Blue Shift IS accurate as it IS part of the last completed beta leaked. Then known as guard duty and was originaly going to be part of a dream-cast exclusive. So that is really accurate information. Signed Jbeavis100 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.239.98 (talk) 10:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Starcraft titles up for Good Topic Removal
Hi, I saw that you were a primary contributor to the Starcraft titles good topic, so I thought I should tell you that it is now up for removal as Starcraft 2 is past its deadline to be GA'd. Topic removals are pretty flexible, so if the article gets pushed to GAN soon the topic removal will hang on until it passes/doesn't. -- Pres N  22:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

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Half Life Blue Shift
Then It may be considered that you delete the same information on the Half-life page. As I was only extending the already listed information there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.239.98 (talk) 14:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Monkey Island infoboxes
Note that coming up with the story is not the same as writing the script, those are two separate credits in the games. For the scriptwriting, arguably the main task in writing, all those people were credited in the order they were added to the infoboxes, not just the project leads. They are of equal importance. Prime Blue (talk) 22:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Re:TMI FAC
Sounds good. I'm a little concerned, though, about the dead links. I'll avoid saying anything on the FAC page for now, lest it cause an unjustified pile-on, but I really think Trebor has a point. I think you should quickly remedy this issue, or you could be looking at some serious trouble in the near future. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 16:26, 30 December 2010 (UTC)