User talk:S.A. Julio/Archive 2

2017-18 Bundesliga
Sorry for editing before asking you about this, but in 2016-17 Bundesliga we use F for SC Freiburg, so they are listed above Hamburger SV, Hertha BSC and TSG 1899 Hoffenheim (they are represented by H). Shouldn't we keep it for 2017-18 Bundesliga? Centaur271188 (talk) 11:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I thought it would make more sense to sort by city, as seen on 2016–17 Bundesliga. Either way, there should be consistency with the sorting method used. S.A. Julio (talk) 11:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If we decide to sort by city, then I think Schalke should be G (Gelsenkirchen), not S. Would you like to change it? Centaur271188 (talk) 02:27, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, not exactly by city name, but the location (city or district) used in the club's title I think would be the best way to sort, just like with Hoffenheim. This method is more logical to understand since it would be confusing to see 'Schalke 04' in between Freiburg and Hoffenheim. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, the names of the teams on the map look really awkward in mobile view. Check it out on a phone or a tablet. Therefore I suggest using short forms for all the teams, like Hamburg, Wolfsburg, Köln, Schalke, and FC Bayern. Because the mentioned teams look very awkward in mobile view. My suggested principal is used on the maps for 2. and 3. Bundesliga and most of the other major leagues, and it looks much nicer. Your thoughts? Aikclaes (talk) 13:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Mobile view always will be a bit messed up, personally I think the map is alright how it is currently, staying consistent throughout the article. The Premiership article seems to use the proper club names as well. S.A. Julio (talk) 10:27, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that mobile view "always will be a bit messed up". If you look at the equivalent maps in other top leagues they look great also in mobile, for instance France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden. And since only about 25 percent watch on desktop only, there is a strong point for tailoring the maps to look good also in mobile view (for instance by using a bit shorter club names). This is more important than having long club names that mess up the map in mobile view. What do you think? Aikclaes (talk) 13:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I check the article on my phone and it looks decent enough. There will always be some outliers, but again the Premier League articles uses the same style. I suppose the text size could be reduced a bit though. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In mobile view, Schalke and Köln are right on the edge of the map. Bayern, Wolfsburg and Hamburg have ugly line breaks. (I don't know why you keep referring to the PL league map, as it doesn't have any of these issues.) I will try and solve these issues delicately, so the BL maps will be pretty in both mobile and desktop view. Hopefully it will be to your liking. :) Aikclaes (talk) 13:04, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I just reduced the text size like the Premier League article, seems better now? S.A. Julio (talk) 13:15, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Beautiful! Good job! I was busy editing while you posted your edit, so it confused me at first. I also realized, strangely, that if you position the team names on the side (as opposed to top or bottom), there won't be that ugly line break in mobile view. I also moved Schalke and Köln a bit inwards. Aikclaes (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Made a few more changes to the positions. Now it looks amazing in both mobile and desktop! Thanks for the cooperation! Aikclaes (talk) 13:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Gameday Team Line-Up
Hi, how do you create graphics, like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Toronto_FC_vs_Seattle_Sounders_FC_2016-12-10.svg ? Is there a webtool? Thank you! (talk) 02:56, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * This can be done with a vector graphics editor, like Inkscape. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:03, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Jann-Fiete Arp article deletion
He is playing at a tournament organised by UEFA, and you can find many journals reporting about the player ! Honestly, your reasons to delete the article are not convincing as you mentioned that he has not played professionally, why do you report the whole tournament if all the players are just non-professional kids ?! I wonder why you need to delete the article this time with all the info referenced, while you are going to create another one with the same title after he signs a professional contract !! CadAPL (talk) 20:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Does not matter what tournament he has played at, Arp has not made a senior international debut, nor has he appeared in a WP:FPL, as stipulated by WP:NFOOTY. A few news articles have appeared in the last few days, just WP:ROUTINE coverage of transfer speculation amid links to prominent clubs. Also, the notability guidelines for an international football tournament and a youth footballer are vastly different. There is no need for an article yet, as it is WP:TOOSOON and there is no rush, the article can be created once he makes an appearances in a WP:FPL, therefore passing WP:NFOOTY. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:26, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

It seems that the player himself is enjoying his Wikipedia article (his facebook post about his Wikipedia article ). Honestly, it is a shame to delete it ! CadAPL (talk) 18:24, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That's not a valid reason.. It can be created once the player actually makes an appearance in a WP:FPL. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:27, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Come on man, do not be stubborn ! The player seems to like to it, as I said earlier you would create one sooner or later. Since you are German, you might view this young lad as the German new hero after Klose, so I suggest to keep the article ! CadAPL (talk) 18:37, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The player's thoughts are irrelevant. The article is WP:TOOSOON, it can be recreated once he meets the threshold of notability. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Line up 2017 Coppa Italia final
Hello, please fix line up Juventus on this file. Official source is here. Bye.--82.49.45.121 (talk) 12:06, 18 May 2017 (UTC)




 * Ok, make by PeeJay2K3 user.--82.49.45.121 (talk) 18:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

2016–17 FC Bayern Munich season
As far as the squad is concerned, it should be updated only during the transfer windows. Currently, Lahm and Alonso's name appears in the appearances table, but not in the squad. Their names are not mentioned in the Players#Out section. Besides, that would be added for the 17-18 season. acagastya 08:30, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

File:DFB-Pokal logo 2001.png listed for discussion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:DFB-Pokal logo 2001.png, has been listed at Files for discussion. Please see the to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:49, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Schalke 04 season 16-17 round by round
Hello S.A. Julio,

can you please fix round 32 from a W to a L, I don`t know how to fix it.

Thanks
 * Thanks for pointing the mistake out, fixed now! S.A. Julio (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Juventus' UCL Final lineup
Hey man, thanks for adjusting and fixing the lineup. However, Juve's lineup by UEFA isn't correct. At least, we should consider Juventus' as the main source. That being said, they released the lineup as a 4-2-3-1 (just like the one I previously added) on their Instagram. Could you fix it or should I do it? I already have your version saved here. Thanks.
 * Well, typically with such a reliable source such as UEFA, we just use whatever line-up they include on the tactical PDF. UEFA's official PDF uses a 3-4-3, so unless UEFA change the PDF, it might be better to keep it the same. This was the same for some line-ups at UEFA Euro 2016, see Talk:UEFA Euro 2016 knockout phase. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:32, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with it, but since it's the official club's lineup, perhaps it should be more reliable than UEFA launching their own opinion. What if we had a hidden link to the formation on the final's article and the image? Gsfelipe94 (talk) 18:39, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I believe the clubs give UEFA their team sheets with the line-ups, and an Instagram picture isn't exactly a reliable source. For now I'd say it would be best to keep the 3-4-3, and we'll get a better look at the formation as the match progresses. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:51, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * They probably release only the names and UEFA itself draws the line ups. That being said though, it seems they're playing as 4-2-3-1 and the UCL's official Twitter list the team sheet as 4-2-3-1 (see here). Gsfelipe94 (talk) 18:56, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That Tweet does not have any specific formation. UEFA is a much more reliable source than a club's social media accounts. All line-up images for UEFA matches on Wikipedia use the official PDF, so this match should as well. The images are only intended to be indicative anyway. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:46, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

S.L. Benfica Kit
Hey, mate! I saw you did the 2017–18 home kit for FC Bayern Munich. Can you make the away kit for S.L. Benfica? This is the shirt and these are the shorts and socks. Besteirense (talk) 23:32, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, unfortunately I'm not the most talented with making kits, and the Bayern kit I uploaded was designed by someone else, I just removed the manufacturer logo. But there are many others who can do a better job. S.A. Julio (talk) 10:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I'll try to find someone else. Thanks, anyway. Besteirense (talk) 13:29, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Cambridge United
Hi SA Julio

You have deleted information on 2016–17 Cambridge United F.C. season citing discussion and consensus at WT:FOOTY. There are 109 archive pages here and I have searched using terms like "penalties" but cannot see this discussion - can you give me an exact reference please, until then please don't delete. thanks Footielad (talk) 09:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see the most recent discussion at WT:FOOTY, to which you were pinged. Continually reverting does not help. S.A. Julio (talk) 10:12, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

MOS:FLAG
Did you even read the guideline? The over-reliance on images that make it difficult for those with visual impairments and who rely on screen readers to navigate web sites is one of the two main reasons I left the FOOTY project. If you think that a German team playing another German team needs a flag and neither is representing their nation during the match, you're missing the point. An international friendly also doesn't require the flag as they're only from those nations, not representing them. But justify it based on the manual not practice elsewere. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The flag images contain alt text though. The flags are meant to help the reader identify what country the club is from. I do not believe it is a violation of MOS:FLAG, and this is used commonly on many other articles, like the season articles of Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc., why not remove it there? S.A. Julio (talk) 17:58, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Juventus-Notts County inauguration J-Stadium line up
Hello. Please can you make a file tactical line up for this match? Page is here and official source is here. GK's kit Buffon in grey and Burch in yellow visible on the video.--95.237.56.67 (talk) 15:18, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Does an article on a stadium really need a whole line-up table just for the inaugural match? Seems a bit excessive.. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As you want. No problem.--82.49.45.125 (talk) 13:01, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Australia confeds captaincy
Hi,

Just re your reversions on the Australian confeds cup squad template, I believe there is a difference between him being listed as "captain" for a specific match and actually being the sides captain (e.g. any of the bench players could be the "real captain", or it could be a shifting captaincy). I don't think this is strong enough evidence. Cheers, Macosal (talk) 13:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * SBS seemed to identify Milligan as the captain. S.A. Julio (talk) 14:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand your reasoning, but I really think the best summary of Australia's captain at this tournament was that they had no fixed captain. Cahill was seemingly unaware that he would be captain before last night's game, saying "Last night was special when the boss presented me with the captain’s armband." (here). That to me doesn't sound like the words of someone who was captain "for the tournament," and I think it's misleading / WP:Original Research to suggest that Cahill was the captain all along. There's no problem with not having (c) in the infobox or (captain) on the squad list, to be honest I think that is the best summary available. Macosal (talk) 04:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, maybe it's better to leave Milligan as the captain, seeing he captained the first two games, and Cahill was possibly given the armband for his 100th cap? Also Cahill was substituted on in the first two matches, but didn't take the armband from Milligan. Either way, I think someone should be listed as captain (I don't recall seeing a squad nabox without one), I was just wanting to keep the template in sync with the squads article. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:34, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I don't think there should be a captain indicated on either the template or squads page. WP:Original research is defined as "analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that... directly support the material being presented". This seems like a textbook example of OR to me (it was never stated that anyone was captain, you're looking back at various bits of information and trying to synthesize them to come to a conclusion the sources don't directly support). We could guess either way, but it was never actually stated who the captain was. There's nothing wrong with not having a captain listed, and I'm sure it's happened before. Macosal (talk) 07:56, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The SBS article states "to line up alongside freshly-anointed stand-in captain Mark Milligan", which I recall reading before the line-ups of the first match were announced, which seems reliable to me. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Women's football teams seasons in templates
They're okay here, right? Pakhtakorienne (talk) 11:40, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

2017 FIFA Confederations Cup Final
I do not see the grace, to undo the edit to put back the same information. --190.159.239.204 (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Because Chile could have equalised in the dying moments? There is a consensus to not update match stats live. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:30, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Image on 1983 European Cup Final
That image is wrong according the graphic in this source.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 01:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Links to DFB website
Seems like all the links to the DFB website don't work anymore? They must have changed the path to the respective matches slightly. Do you know of an automated process to address this issue. Thanks! Fischer47392 (talk) 09:47, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out! The site seems to have converted to HTTPS, so I've made a request for a bot to fix all the URLs. S.A. Julio (talk) 13:45, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Fischer47392 (talk) 15:52, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Women's football season articles in overall season template
I'd like to link the season-to-season coverage in the Frauen-Bundesliga list of seasons articles such as List of Turbine Potsdam seasons within the overall season templates. Even if it isn't a fully profesional competition, if its season article can be included in the template I don't understand why its teams' season information can't. I think linking them would be an enriching addition to the template while giving valuable visibility to German women's sides. Pakhtakorienne (talk) 23:25, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Since there's no reply, can I assume it's okay if I include them again? I asked in WikiProject Football too and there was no opposition. Pakhtakorienne (talk) 15:33, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Not really necessary since the navboxes are meant to link to dedicated articles, not sections. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:02, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * But since full articles on a Frauen-Bundesliga team's season are not allowed, this is the only alternative. Adding these links would allow people interested in both the country's male and female football scene to check both easily from the same navbox. If women's league are allowed to stand on equal footing with the male counterparts in the navboxes, why the teams' seasons are not? Pakhtakorienne (talk) 18:56, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Template:SV Meppen squad
Why are you adding this to articles that don't even mention the club? GiantSnowman 13:22, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I just created the template, and thought I'd add them to the relevant articles first. Some articles might be out of date, but it's a start and helpful for navigation. S.A. Julio (talk) 13:28, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Understood, though it'd be helpful if you updated (with sources) at the same time (or before!) you add the template, to avoid further confusion. GiantSnowman 13:30, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

VfR 07 Schweinfurt
@S.A. Julio: You removed a very clear 'Tschammerpokal final booklet' image within the article and replaced it by a very blurry one. Finally this edit did not improve the article. Would you please comment on this, thank you!--Sekundogenitur (talk) 20:49, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * @S.A. Julio: It's not very confident and factual now to remove the file at all, this can be done better!--Sekundogenitur (talk) 21:03, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The image already existed, so having two files of the same programme is unnecessary. Feel free to upload the other version of the file, though I'm not sure one is definitely better than the other (the colour seems modified on the other version). Either way, I don't really see the relevance of the programme on Schweinfurt's article for a match between Dresden and Nürnberg. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:07, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Requested templates
You are invited to join the discussion at Requested templates. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 23:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

2016 Supercoppa Italiana
Hello. Please can you fix on this page the file tactical line up? Official source is here at 6:05 and 6:23. Bye.--95.235.102.20 (talk) 18:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Because You don't fix? You understand me? File is This Juventus vs Milan 2016-12-23.svg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.216.157.141 (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Piping of SV Wehen Wiesbaden
Hey S.A. Julio. I just saw you created Agyemang Diawusie and a lot other players. Great work by the way. I just you wanted you to know that it's not the best way to leave that "SV" part in "SV Wehen Wiesbaden". This has historic reasons, as the club was previously known as "SV Wehen". So it's an exemption and not alike cases as FC Energie Cottbus, F.C. Hansa Rostock or SG Sonnehof Großaspach, SSV Jahn Regensburg or TSV 1860 Munich where it's favourable to leave that "prefix". Kind regards, DrunkenGerman (talk) 11:05, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I did know the history, but I'll make sure to leave the full name. Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 16:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

2017 Supercoppa Italiana final
Official correct position of the line up of this final found here. Please can you fix it?--79.34.226.91 (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ S.A. Julio (talk) 16:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

2018-19 UEFA Champions League
Please may you tell me why you changed this page back to a redirect. The 2017-18 page was created in 2015. so why can't the 2018-19 page be created? Hemf11 (talk) 15:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The article should be created at 2018–19 UEFA Champions League (using an em dash, not a hyphen). The article should also be formatted the same way as previous seasons, and more reliable sources are required, especially since the access list has changed. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Please stop creating the article without adding any references to source the information. Also, the article needs the relevant categories and templates. The mainspace is not meant to contain incomplete articles. Work in your sandbox before creating the page if you need to continue fixing issues. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:19, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * What other pieces of information would you like me to add? I have added the template for the Round and draw dates. Hemf11 (talk) 10:29, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, the article should contain a section for references and external links. Before it just ended abruptly. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:21, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Bayern Munich squad
The players I added are listed on the official Bundesliga website. They are registered to play in the Bundesliga for Bayern Munich. Some of them even have been in official matches squads already. DrunkenGerman (talk) 19:00, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The section is about the first team squad though. The players you added are not in the first team. Clubs of course will fill the extra spots with youth players, but that does not mean the player has a professional contract or is in the first team. The players you added are either in the U19s or reserve team, so to include them in the article is misleading. Club websites are a reliable source for the first team squads. On Bayern's website, there 26 professional players which are clearly identified (in the team photo and the player list). S.A. Julio (talk) 20:12, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Well there are now a lot of things.....First all players of the second team also have professional contracts. Second it's actually unimportant if players are assigned to the first team on the club's website, since that does not reflect anything of the reality. Players like Dorsch or Benko have exactly the same status as e.g. Pantovic, who is even more often in the squad in official matches. Often clubs just list a few young players on their club's website to fulfill local player requirements and that selection of players is more or less random. The only really reliable source is bundesliga.com since it does list all players who are officially assigned to the squads. Taking the list of club websites only produces confusion as some junior/second team players are listed and others not. DrunkenGerman (talk) 21:22, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure how reliable the Bundesliga website is, I've seen mistakes there before. They seem to list many youth players that are not in the first team squad. Same goes for UEFA's website, just because player's are listed in the squad list by UEFA does not mean they are in the first team (these players are marked as 'B' team players). The club websites seem to be the most reliable source for who is in the first team squad. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

requesting assistance
I'm relatively new at this, and I'm looking for some help and/or resources to become a better editor of articles. Any assistance you can provide will be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamrobholloway (talk • contribs) 12:47, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Silver goal
Damn, that's a good point. I dunno then. Perhaps one for WP:FOOTY? – PeeJay 21:31, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Enquiry
Dear user, Just wanted to ask you, how did you make the football pitch formation picture in the article 2017 Supercopa de España second leg?? Awaiting your response. Aadityaindu2004 (talk) 14:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This can be done with a vector graphics editor, such as Inkscape. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

EURO 2024 Candidacy
First of all, Wikipedia is not the platform of any sort of advertisement and politics. Assuming that you are German, I understand that there is an election in Germany soon and you might be heated up by politicians. However, this ultimately not going to give you the right to blemish a country you don't like but it gives you the initial right to publish objective information about Germany.

Lately I witnessed that you also deleted the content in which the stadiums of Turkey was listed with capacities and possible host cities. To remove my references over and over again+deleting contents without replacing it is purely against to Wikipedia's Editing Policies and EU directives of competition rights.

As I said you don't have right to blemish a country you don't know anything about but you have unlimited right to give objective information about the country you specialized-Germany. UEFA is the institution to make this decision next year but people across the world are supposed to receive impartial, unbiased and politics-isolated information from Wikipedia.

Thanks for your understanding, please don't allow politicians to affect your impartiality and objectiveness. Motuna (talk) 14:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You make incorrect assumptions, this has nothing to do with politics. You added unsourced statements to the article, along with copying text directly from the BBC article, which is a WP:COPYVIO. I reworded the text (now without info about the unrest) so it does not copy the BBC, and removed irrelevant information about the Olympics (seeing the article should only focus on football). Hopefully this middle ground suits you. As for the stadiums, have any been announced as part of the official bid? Only confirmed possible stadiums should be listed (see the DFB, for example). Either way, the stadiums should not be included on the main article, but rather the specific bid article. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:24, 6 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for being constructive brother, I added quotes and exclude info about olympics. I see you have good content about football in Germany, if anything you need to know about Turkish football, any resource, please don't hesitate to contact with me again.


 * There's nothing wrong against wikipedia rules. Please give your concentration to Germany.

Source reliability criteria
Hi Julio,

Just wondering what's the criteria used to determine the reliability of a source? Yes, I'm the owner of that site used in the Nations League article, but I see it's used in other Wikipedia articles without any problems. Many thanks!Edgar (talk) 05:01, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SELFPUBLISH, personal blogs/websites are largely not acceptable as sources. Also, these are based on a limited number of simulations? Does the simulation account for every possibility? I'm not extremely knowledgeable about the coefficient system, but can any team actually guarantee a spot mathematically before the end of qualifiers seeing that goals scored come into account? (Unless there is a cap on the points awarded for goals scored.) S.A. Julio (talk) 05:57, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's true - a team could win 200 - 0, but it has never happened. I won't go into details regarding simulations, but I think 10000 are quite enough. In my defense I can say someone else added the UNL ranking to Wikipedia :) Many thanks for answering!Edgar (talk) 05:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Rollback granted
Hi S.A. Julio. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AS.A._Julio enabled] rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing!  Malinaccier ( talk ) 23:53, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
 * Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
 * Rollback should never be used to edit war.
 * If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
 * Use common sense.

Alemannia Aachen
Hello, S.A. Julio, I wanna let you know that the Alemannia Aachen's logo currently used in the club's Wikipedia article is too old and was used several years ago. Can you please upload the current logo of Alemannia Aachen? Thanks. Kind regards. DerDFB (talk) 19:15, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅, thanks for pointing that out. I'm surprised the old logo was still being used seven years later! If you come across any other old logos, I'll gladly update them. Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 00:25, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for updating Alemannia Aachen's badge! I really appreciate your hard work! DerDFB (talk) 10:09, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

2002 world cup
Confused here. I see a bunch of repeated reverts at 2002 FIFA World Cup qualification (CONMEBOL–OFC play-off), but where did the details for the AFC 3rd Place v UEFA Best Runners-up go, for which User:41.227.2.83 has been trying to add into the wrong article ? The text he is trying to add does belong somewhere, just not in this particular article. Can you help by creating or re-creating the other article to stop this particular User's little edit war ? Matilda Maniac (talk) 03:08, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was planning on doing so. But until then edits had to be reverted, as the IP's actions were inappropriate. Article is now at 2002 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA–AFC play-off). Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 05:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Jonathan Klinsmann
Hi S.A. Julio, I noticed you just posed a PROD on this article. While technically correct with regards to WP:NFOOTBALL, I do believe he may just about pass WP:GNG given considerable coverage in German and US media, especially in recent time. While this may undoubtedly be due to some prominence given who his father is, they are nonetheless coverage. The German Wikipedia article has plenty and I'd like to mention specifically the following articles:, , ,. His Hertha contract has also been reported about by international media, such as, ,. While his father's prominence will always raise questions about inherited notability, this should at the same time not disadvantage with heightened scrutiny. Articles already exists in multiple language Wikipedias and I am quite sure once he had his first couple of appearances later in the season, the English article will just get recreated. I shall remove the PROD for now. If there are no appearances later in the season, I guess this can be revisited with an AfD.pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 19:40, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Regarding flags
Hello. I am adressing you regarding your removal of flags from List of foreign football players in Serbia. I am aware there has been some debate regarding the use of flags in some articles. However, I noteced both of you (User:Marchjuly as well) cherry–picked this specific article to implement your interpratation of MOS. We have a case there of BRD. You edted were reverted, lets discuss. But,, would you gentleman allow me a sugestion: instead of doing that edit on a relatively obscure article in between all lists ammong the Category:Lists of expatriate association football players,,, coould you makke that edit at one quite followed one as List of foreign Premier League players, so more edtors could discuss and a broad consensus coud be reached. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 00:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If you wish to discuss this, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. However, no consensus needs to be reached. MOS:HEAD is very clear, stating "Headings should not contain images, such as flag icons". The WP:MOS is a community-wide consensus, and your reverting is not constructive. Per WP:CONLIMITED, "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. For instance, unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right, participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope". Also, if you are "citing" WP:BRD, scroll down the page to see WP:BRD-NOT. "BRD is not an excuse to revert any change more than once. If your reversion is met with another bold effort, then you should consider not reverting, but discussing". Also see see WP:OSE and WP:IAPD, saying "this is how it was done in x article" is not valid reasoning. Unless you'd like to start a community-wide discussion, I'd suggest not reverting those following Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, but rather discuss the matter first. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:25, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I am asking you politiely to discuss it first with the comunity. Dont edit war. Raise your issue and reach consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. If we agree to remove flags from all lists, lets do it. Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 01:39, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Makes no sense to have one or two of these lists one way, while 5O others are in other way. If you care that much about this issue, then devote yourself entirely and ask for the removal of flags from all lists there (since all are identical regarding form and content). Otherwise your intervention makes no real sense. I followed several discussions regarding use of flags and mostly there is no straight forward consensus. This could be your chance maybe to archive consensus and implement once for all an agreement. I will not oppose you. FkpCascais (talk) 01:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * First, I am not edit warring. You are the one who has reverted three times, disregarding community-wide policy. As mentioned above, you cited your actions as WP:BRD, but then proceed to violate what constitutes BRD. As I mentioned in my first sentence above, there is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, opened by Marchjuly. Again, no consensus needs to be reached. This is already is a Wikipedia policy. Participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope. You are blatantly vandalising Wikipedia. Again, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Just because the articles violate MOS does not mean one person should be responsible for cleaning it all up. Also, "no straight forward consensus"? This is an official Wikipedia policy and guideline, that's about as straightforward as possible. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, but why you botter too implement a specific interpratatiion of MOS in one particular article and not in all others§ If we are dedicated editors, lets then settle this out and make all lists apply same patterns. My intervention is not about flags or that specfic article, but rather in improving then all this set of articles if that comes the case to be. Lets see what the community decides, as you see I havent opposed you as I said I wouldnt, I hope you understand me, I just think all those lists then should have this sort of rules applied same way. I wanna thank Marchjuly and you for bringiing the isisue to the attention of the community. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 03:28, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarding the issue oof me not knowing the policies and guidelines, I want even comment since I am the one of the most veteran editors around... FkpCascais (talk) 03:45, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, the articles need to be fixed, and Marchjuly even offered to fix them. I'd think a veteran editor would be more inclined to start/participate in a discussion, rather than continuing to blindly revert against Wikipedia guidelines. What good does that do, to prove a point? S.A. Julio (talk) 04:20, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't cherry-picking; I was checking on the use of a non-free file in that list article when I noticed that there were flag icons being used in the section headings. This is clearly not something allowed per MOS:HEAD (which is a community-wide guideline established by consensus), so I removed them. After you re-added the icons, I started the WT:FOOTY discusion to ask for clarification. Perhaps, S.A. Julio saw the thread, looked at the article and decided that the flag icons should be removed.
 * Since you state you are one of the most veteran editors around, then you should know that violating WP:3RR as you clearly did would surely lead to your account being blocked if S.A. Julio had went to WP:AN3 because your reverts certainly do not qualify as one of the exceptions in WP:NOT3RR. You should also know that a community consensus can't simply be ignored because you don't agree or because that's how its done in other articles by arguing WP:OTHERCONTENT. These are things which an experienced editor such as yourself should well know are almost never going to be seen as appropriate. As S.A. Julio points out, the other articles can be fixed if necessary, but they do not need to be fixed all at once or by the same editor. If you feel these flag icons are needed and should be considered an exception to MOS:HEAD, then you should explain so at WT:FOOTY. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No, you missunderstood me both. My point is that many of these lists were done by senior editors, and they were done that way. Also, new liists are done that same way too. if there is a problem with flags (as seems really to be) we should have a consensus to point to and adress the issue so all lists are fixed and new ones that became created are created properly. I know very well 3RR I made plent of reports there and I was ready to expose my view iin case you reported me. FkpCascais (talk) 12:16, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

1950 World Cup Title for final match
While its true that the match is not officially the "Final" match, it's title according to the FIFA website: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=209/match=1190 is "Final round - Group 6" the title should reflect the fact that its the deciding match of the world cup and as such "Uruguay v Brazil" is not appropiate. I am changing to "1950 FIFA World Cup Final Round - Group 6" which matches the way FIFA names it" ClimbingLizard (talk) 01:24, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That just refers to the final group phase, not the actual match name. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:33, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, its the final group phase and this should be used as a title to denote that it was the decisive match of the world cup. Alternatively we can use as title "1950 World Cup Title Decisive Match", but naming it team1 v team2 does not convey the importance of the match --ClimbingLizard (talk) 01:39, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

2018 FIFA World Cup qualification (inter-confederation play-offs)
Well, I think 'Format' section is a little bit too detailed. Much of its information is simply repeating 'Tiebreaking' section in Two-legged tie and quite obvious. Would you mind if I change it, removing the part talking about extra time and penalties, and only briefly mentioning away goals rule? Centaur271188 (talk) 17:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Other articles that use the "league" format seem to include tiebreaker info, despite it being duplicated from the main WC qualifying article. I don't think it's a major issue, seeing that it provides a better understanding of the format to readers. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

File:DFB 1911.png
Hi S.A. Julio. I saw that you change the licensing of File:DFB 1911.png from "PD-logo" to "Non-free logo". If you believe that's the case then fine, but I am just curious as to why. This file's licensing was discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 February 16 and the consensus was that it is PD. If you think an error was made, you should discuss with the closing admin per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE

Also, if you change the licensing of a file to non-free, the file will need a seperate specific non-free use rationale for each use per WP:NFCC or it can be deleted or removed per WP:F6 and WP:NFCCE. Template:Information is not a really a non-free use rationale per se, but there are other templates which may be used instead, or you can simply wirte out the rationale yourself. Just for reference, non-free content use is not automatic and each use of a non-free file must staisfy Wp:NFCCP. Not every use of a PD file can easily translate to non-free use (particulary with respect to former logos) so you need to be particularly cognizant of WP:NFCC -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, was unaware of the previous discussion. I didn't see the purpose of keeping the file since it is no longer being used, as it has been replaced by a higher quality version, File:German Football Association logo (1911).svg. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:36, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for clarifying. The version you created can probably be moved to Commons by tagging with Copy to Wikimedia Commons unless there is some reason it needs to remain a local file on English Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:56, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Flag icons in section headings
Hi again S.A. Julio. The discussion on this has been archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 112. There appears to have been a local consensus to removes these flag icons from the section headings (even though technically the community-wide consensus should apply regardless), so I'm assuming that it would not be contentious to remove them from any of the other articles mentioned in that discussion. I don't mind doing this. I did make one final post in that thread about a week ago, but got no response. Do you think it's safe to assume that there are no remaining objections/solutions which still need to be discussed? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:11, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems safe to assume, I don't think there was much else to discuss. I managed to get AWB to remove the flags from headings, so I think all the articles in Category:Lists of expatriate association football players should now be fixed. Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 02:05, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've never really used any type of bot or script to edit, but rather tend to do things one article at a time manually. If a bot can take care of it all, then that's fine. If not, then I don't mind. Some other articles besides the expat ones were mentioned in that discussion. Can these be done by a bot as well? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:10, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * What other categories were mentioned? I can fix any of the remaining pages. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:20, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Near the bottom of the thread, someone mentioned List of current American soccer players by US state and List of association football families (sorry there are articles not categories). Also, I've been doing some similar cleanup on articles about various olympic teams. If there's a reliable automated way to do this type of cleanup then it might be better than just going through each article one at a time. I don't mind doing the latter, but it's not very efficient, especially if these can be done by category. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think I'll go through all articles in Category:Lists of association football players just to check. As for automated edits, maybe try out WP:AWB, it is a very useful tool for this type of work. You can create a list of pages (from categories, incoming links, etc.) and then use the find and replace tool to fix articles. For example, with fixing the Olympic headers, a regular expression like this can remove any images used in section headings. A regex like this can remove flagicons from headers. S.A. Julio (talk) 07:57, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Was curious what to do, a user on List of foreign Chinese Super League players seems determined to keep the flags in the section headings... S.A. Julio (talk) 17:23, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've removed the flag icons again (though I mucked up the edit sum a bit) and added a more explanatory post to the article's talk page. If they are re-added again, the talk page can be linked in any edit sum which removes them. If they still continue to be added, then that's simply disruptive, 3RR or a combination of both and can probably be dealt with as is usually done in such cases. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

USA National Womens soccer team - live updates
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User:S.A. Julio/Pokal
Hi S.A. Julio. Please check your User:S.A. Julio/Pokal for non-free files and remove/link them per WP:NFCC and WP:UP. The page got flagged by a bot and apparently there are at least fourteen non-free files being use on it. Perhaps you copied and pasted some content onto the page which contained the non-free files. It's also possible that if you copied the content cross-wiki that the file are treated as non-free content locally and if the file names are the same, the local file would have been added by the software. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the page was fine until someone decided to "fix" it by changing "Datei:" to "File:", which then linked to some images. Should be fixed now. Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 19:31, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for checking. Usually when so many non-free files get flagged for a NFCC#9 review by a bot for a userpage of an experienced editor, the file were usually added by mistake or by perhaps something such as the above. You might want to leave a hidden note explaining the "Datei" thing so that the same thing doesn't happen again. You can also link non-free files in your userspace if you prefer. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:56, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Alex Morgan
I do apologize for the script edit - making those dashes smaller than the original version before the edit. I have removed unnecessary spaces and after that edit, the script did not shorten the large dashes. I must take note of that. Iggy (talk) 18:34, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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November 2017
How exactly does WP:BRINT apply? We are not talking about a redirect. Per WP:RED, "red links may be used on navigation templates with links to existing articles, but they cannot be excessive". Most of the links on the template already exist, the few red links are hardly excessive and are potential articles. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)


 * You reverted my changes to link targets, not redlinks. I'm not challenging your claims to redlinks, I'm merely updating already piped link targets to created pages. If the redirects have the wrong target, then please fix them.   -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 21:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC) ‎
 * Also, if the red links are indeed "potential articles" then please create them. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 21:13, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Still not sure what you mean, where did you change the link targets? All you did is remove 6 red links. I do intend on creating these articles once I have the time. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:25, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, once you're done, you can link them.  -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 21:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That's besides the fact, how exactly are your changes "well within WP:BRINT"? There were no redirects on Template:1. FC Kaiserslautern managers to begin with. You only removed links, not "updating already piped link targets to created pages" S.A. Julio (talk) 21:50, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Discussion on 2017 FIFA U-20 World Cup Final at WikiProject Football
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Template:2017 CONCACAF League bracket listed at Redirects for discussion
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Schalke 04 season 17-18 matches
Hello S.A. Julio,

could you please fix the color from green to red at the RB Leipzig vs Schalke match?

Thanks
 * Sorry for the mistake, should be fixed now. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

SpVgg Greuther Fürth
Hello, S.A. Julio! The Greuther Fürth badge that is currently used in the club's English article is the same badge that was most recently used last season. Can you please upload Greuther Fürth's new badge now that it was unveiled before the current season started? Thanks. DerDFB (talk) 22:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for uploading. Good luck and proceed with your own contributions. DerDFB (talk) 19:04, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

MSV
Gives the official website here i would use the first one. Kante4 (talk) 15:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

UEFA Euro 1996 qualification seeding
This is what the article already says: "The other seedings were determined by points per game in the qualifiers for 1992 European Championship and the 1994 World Cup."

My edits add to what's already presented in the article. I simply did the math for each team by adding the points they earned in Euro 92 qualifying and 1994 World Cup qualifying and dividing that by the total number of games played over both qualification cycles.

Here is the formula : (Points in Euro 92 qualifying + Points in 1994 World Cup qualifying) / (total number of games in both cycles)

Thedefenceman (talk) 19:12, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've started a discussion about this at Talk:UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying. Can both of you please comment there so we can sort this out? – PeeJay 20:32, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

der klassiker
I would recommend adding sources instead of your little crusade, being constructive is better than destructive, unless of course it's too much effort for you Abcmaxx (talk) 21:56, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The topic is not notable enough for its own article and is WP:FANCRUFT, hence why it doesn't exist on the German wiki. All unsourced content (which was mostly added last year by IPs) should be removed. S.A. Julio (talk) 22:08, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * that's WP:POV and it has enough reliable sources for an article. DE wiki is irrelevant Abcmaxx (talk) 22:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Kevin Danso
I see you have added a source for Kevin Danso which mentions him spending time at Reading. Having spent some time researching his background, the sources which mention Reading as one of his academy club seem questionable and limited. However, I have found an interview with German newspaper Bild which includes an interview with Danso, in which he states he joined the academy of Milton Keynes Dons at under 9 level. As he is 19 with a 1998 date of birth, this would mean he joined that club in approximately 2006/2007. There is no mention of Reading in that interview, and as the interview is with the player himself, should be seen as the most reliable source of his background.

I have updated the page with that source, and also changed the infobox dates - I have included him at Reading until 2007, and then Milton Keynes Dons academy between 2007-2014 when he joined Augsburg.

I propose that any mention of his supposed involvement with Reading is removed from his page until a more reputable source is found which verifies him playing with their academy - what do you think? FilthyDon (talk) 10:43, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, I assumed the Reading info was removed for being unsourced, not because he actually never was at the club. Thanks! S.A. Julio (talk) 13:31, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Bundesliga
i have used a computer program and only 3 teams can pass and tie bayern with points. Thus she will not finish 5th — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arni777 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Nope, Bayern can still finish fifth. Feel free to test this out with this website. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:17, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, first of all the site isnt showing the thing you wanted.

Second, My program calculated all scenarios, and because Eintracht Frankfurt, Borussia Dortmund, Bayer Leverkusen, RB Leipzig and Schalke 04, will face each other, there will be teams that can't win all games that are left, thus Bayern will finish 4th at least.
 * Your program is wrong, test the results on this website. Schalke, Dortmund, Leipzig, and Frankfurt can all finish above Bayern. Leverkusen is irrelevant. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:39, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * you are right, there was a small bug. nevertheless the site you gave has a problem. I am glad now everything has worked out, and Bayern qualified.

Thanks
Hi, just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work on the FPL page getting decent references in for a lot of leagues and making it look much more complete. Fenix down (talk) 15:58, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Glad to help, hopefully it prevents link rot in the future. S.A. Julio (talk) 17:59, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: Football box
Thanks for the heads up! I've edited Template:Football box to be more careful with its output. I also renamed the address parameter to location. (diff) Please let me know if you find any more problems. I'll be happy to add penalties parameters as well. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 17:22, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Retired nationality vs nationality retired
I don't see any consensus in the page you linked, only linguistic preferences. SLBedit (talk) 15:21, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems like clear consensus to me, 12 people agreed that the nationality should come first. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

‎Turks and Caicos Islands
Hey, no idea. Just saw the removed from the schedule. Kante4 (talk) 14:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Venues and teams table
I don't see why these two elements are necessary, especially when the table can be rendered in prose with better notes to indicate the Cup/League transition in 2008. 2015 UEFA Champions League Final, a good article, omits the table. As for the venues, being a two-legged final means that the home stadiums for the two teams will be used and there's not going to be much to write about on that front.  Sounder Bruce  05:17, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd disagree, the table can provide a good overview on their previous performances before going into prose. It's also useful to get a brief overview on the two venues, there is still a bit of information which can be added. S.A. Julio (talk) 05:24, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

How is any of that history relevant to the final match? It has little to do with the final and is suited for articles such as CONCACAF Champions League and 2018 CONCACAF Champions League. Anything more than a brief mention of the format change is excessive. Also note that words such as summer and autumn should be avoided per MOS:SEASON. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:17, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll change the seasons (though I'd prefer to keep them, as the sources use them and it's more convenient), but the format change needs to stay. The format change itself may be credited as a factor in Toronto getting to the final, as well as the MLS performance during the tournament.  Sounder Bruce  06:26, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

German club season categories
Category:German football clubs 2011–12 season doesn't look very consistent. Kingjeff (talk) 01:43, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That's WP:OTHERCONTENT, the latest seasons are mostly sorted by city, I've now made sure the 2017–18 season now follows this. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:58, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * But the category I listed isn't consistent with your policy. I expect every single one of these categories to be consistent with your policy. That's if WP Football is willing to have your policy. Kingjeff (talk) 02:01, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The categories will be fixed, though it's a bit much to expect they all be immediately fixed, and WP:OTHERCONTENT also applies. City name makes most sense given most clubs follow this pattern. I'll eventually go through the categories using AWB. S.A. Julio (talk) 04:48, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

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UEFA failure to deal with AS Roma fan violence
Greetings I note you have deleted my contribution twice. The first without comment which I found discourteous. The second time you cite 'neutral point of view' as justification. How do you justify that when the paragraph I added is related to cited publication/statement of facts? (Limhey (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2018 (UTC))
 * Apologies for the initial lack of clarification. The wording does not reflect a WP:NPOV ("consistently failed"), and gives undue weight to the situation. One of your sources is Wikipedia itself, which is not allowed per WP:CIRCULAR. The other is not a reliable source and should not be used either. S.A. Julio (talk) 14:36, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for that clarification. I shall attempt better phrasing and citations in the near future (Limhey (talk) 22:45, 28 April 2018 (UTC))

Bayern Munich coaches
Hi there, I saw that u reverted my edit from 1965 to 1963 but I think it really should be 1965.I will give a link where it is written 1965. https://fcbayern.com/us/club/history/coaches. The link is from club's official website Bayernfan2003 (talk) 16:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The website is incorrect, see other sources such as this. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:51, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

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Juve - Milan 4-0
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Player categories
Hi, S.A. Julio! I noticed you removed the Oberliga category from the Sergio Sagarzazu article. Looking around other leagues, it was the correct call - my mistake, I wasn't (still not) aware of any category notability requirements. Is there an article to say which leagues are OK to create categories for? R96Skinner (talk) 02:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, the issue is that Oberliga really just refers to the fifth tier of German football. There are 12 separate leagues (total of 14 divisions), each with a different name. So it might be misleading to call the category "Oberliga players", and given how the Oberliga has existed since 1945 (at four different tiers) and since the league system becomes extremely fractured from the 5th tier and lower, I don't think having a league player category would be very useful. S.A. Julio (talk) 03:31, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You're right, "Oberliga players" doesn't make sense given the German league system. Would a rename suffice then? As I mentioned above, I thought categories were created if/when needed - unless there's an official requirement for categories to be created? R96Skinner (talk) 02:45, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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Commons
Hey, not really. I saw them at the references part with a few articles before but will stop moving them now. Kante4 (talk) 18:55, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

2018–19 UEFA Champions League
There is a section in the talk page of the above article about the redistribution of teams sicne the CL winner has qualified via their league. Please can you add your note there with a link to the regulation you mentioned, as I haven't seen this. Thanks 2A02:C7D:159:6A00:3532:B71D:272D:50CA (talk) 22:36, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

infobox wp:overlink
Hi, I have just seen my edits in Bundesliga, Premiership and La Liga infoboxes reverted by Mediocre Legacy. I left a message in his talk page, hoping to reinstate them. Would you think the changes I made were good and needed? Centaur271188 (talk) 04:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed, we should follow policy and avoid linking the same clubs in the infobox. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:05, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

dab links
Mind fixing these? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Jos%C3%A9_Fajardo

Neodop (talk) 17:45, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Done by User:Certes (thanks!)... Neodop (talk) 19:31, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Bundesliga
Hey, i was planing to do the relegation matches with lineups. Kante4 (talk) 05:14, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Someone removed the lineups from the previous Bundesliga season, and after thinking about it I don't really see the necessity of them either. Seems a bit excessive for these matches, I think the football boxes should suffice. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:26, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I can live with both ways. Two years ago they were there, 1. and 2. League. Would have no problem adding it. Kante4 (talk) 16:03, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I couldn't find any similar lineups for playoffs in articles of other leagues. Unless the lineups for a cup final or such the article can probably go without it. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, no worries. Kante4 (talk) 13:55, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, the formatting of the playoff sections seems to vary throughout past seasons. I thought I'd go back and format the sections consistently, which style should be used? I figured the matches don't need separate subsections. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:11, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The 16th-placed team of the Bundesliga faced the 3rd-placed team of the 2. Bundesliga in a two-legged play-off. The winner on aggregate score earned entry into the 2016–17 Bundesliga, while the loser entered into the 2016–17 2. Bundesliga.
 * Option A

The first leg was played on 19 May, and the second leg was played on 23 May 2016.


 * }

All times Central European Summer Time (UTC+2)

BUNDESLIGA won #–# on aggregate and therefore both clubs remain in their respective leagues.

''2BUNDESLIGA won #–# on aggregate and were promoted to the Bundesliga, while BUNDESLIGA were relegated to the 2. Bundesliga.''

The 16th-placed team of the Bundesliga faced the 3rd-placed team of the 2. Bundesliga in a two-legged play-off. The winner on aggregate score earned entry into the 2016–17 Bundesliga, while the loser entered into the 2016–17 2. Bundesliga.
 * Option B

All times Central European Summer Time (UTC+2)

BUNDESLIGA won #–# on aggregate and therefore both clubs remain in their respective leagues.

''2BUNDESLIGA won #–# on aggregate and were promoted to the Bundesliga, while BUNDESLIGA were relegated to the 2. Bundesliga.''
 * I would take Option B. Kante4 (talk) 05:46, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

default sorts
Are you still interested in these, per your village pump comment? I have been experimenting with lab tools to re-learn some things I should know, and I used your request as a way to practice. I believe I already have the relevant information, though it needs to be pared down. Outriggr (talk) 23:39, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm still very much interested! I figured there was a more technical way to do it, but that's above my head.. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:36, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * OK. Here are the sorts for players (defined as any link that has a "Living people" category) from all links in 2018 FIFA World Cup squads. That's my understanding of your request... Outriggr (talk) 02:07, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I know this doesn't provide a quick way to add them to the template, but there isn't one. The closest one could get is to try to add the template parameter by using regex and reversing every player's name to "Surname, Firstname". If it was possible in that particular wikitext setup. Outriggr (talk) 02:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Alright, thanks! Is there a way I would be able to generate a list like this (in any form) from a list of articles? There are still 9 countries which have yet to release their squads, and this would be useful in the future. If I was able to retrieve this raw data, the rest shouldn't be difficult. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, just let me know later. Do you know spreadsheets at all? With some effort you could fill in the last field of the template with |sortname=[defaultsort] by doing a lookup on the table. I tried this for "Egypt" in the article. It would be faster if there was one big table, but that's a lot of cutting, pasting, and managing formulas in Excel for each table. Whether it's faster than manual, possibly. Outriggr (talk) 02:56, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks, though I was hoping there could be a way I could find the values without having to bother anyone? And I managed to add the parameters using a switch function in my sandbox (User:S.A. Julio (old)/Sandbox/2), and then a regex to match the names on the article and then add the sortname parameter (substituting the sandbox call). Not exactly elegant, but usually is quickest for me. S.A. Julio (talk) 05:04, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well you're set then. (Can you give me an example of how you did that? I don't follow some of it, like where the regex was involved.) OK then, this is the query I made on Labs for creating the list. Outriggr (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks! After setting up the sandbox, I used the regex  on the article to grab the title of the bio and replaced it with   to add the sortname parameter. Not pretty but it did the job. Cheers! S.A. Julio (talk) 07:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Kit
Why do you keep reverting the kit to the darker color version with WRONG lines (the diagonal lines are not going all the way from bottom left to top right but have gaps between the thin tips, see this thoroughly.)? Is it because you made those templates so they have to be exist? Do not be stubborn and think you always right because you have so many rights and thus much power here. – Flix11 (talk) 13:52, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I had originally removed the versions with manufacturer logos to follow consensus on Wikipedia. What colour exactly are you referring to, the red on the kit? The hex colour codes are extremely similar (#DA0309 vs #F20000). And the diagonal lines on the other version display much worse, and possibly makes it difficult to understand the design. The kits are not necessarily a 100% accurate representation (impossible at this size), but are supposed to communicate the kit design as clearly as possible. I'd be happy to correct any colours if necessary. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:22, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well yes it is. The kit colors is too dark (the red and blue). About the lines, yes it is messy but the lines are not as neat and smooth as it is on the kit. The red section lines penetrate the white section and vice versa. Each tip does not each other, as in the "messy" kit. Therefore, I tend to choose that. – Flix11 (talk) 07:14, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The original kit I uploaded used a lighter colour of blue than what was being used on Atlético Madrid, not sure how it was "darker". Either way, the colours look seem to be accurate, but I can change the red to #F20000. About the design, I think File:Kit body atmad1718H.png is about as accurate and clean as possible at this resolution. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I mean the blue on the shirt. Well thank you for your co-op. – Flix11 (talk) 16:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Peru squad 2018 World Cup
The squad for peru was, according to this source: </ref availible on May 15, when I retrieved it from there, and cannot, therefore, have been announced a day later, as it wouldn't have been there otherwise. Also, there is no reason whatsoever to delete valid sources, just because there are other such sources. Quanstizium (talk)
 * While some publications may have published the squad list early (possibly leaked to the press, etc.), the Peruvian Football Federation did not officially release their list until 16 May. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:24, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Switzerland World Cup squad
There is a source for the Swiss preliminary squad stating the coach submitted a list of 35 names to fifa. despite this, you deleted the squad. If the only source that, for you, constitutes an official announcement is directly from FIFA, then congrats, you can delete half of all the squads, because most squads aren't sourced from fifa, but from a similar news article to the one you deemed "not official enough" Quanstizium (talk) 18:58, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source from the Swiss Football Association? Otherwise the information could have possibly leaked to the press, etc. and may not reliable (as was seen with other countries). The original source stated "the Swiss national coach is said to have sent a list of 35 players to FIFA, according to Blick". This hardly sounds like an official announcement. Sources have stated Petković will announce the preliminary squad after the training camp in Feusisberg concludes on 24 May. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:20, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

I do not have a source from the SFV. However, this was not necessary for, for example, the Iran-24 man preliminary. A mere news article was cited that said Queiroz had named the squad. The source you deleted is also a news article claiming Petkovic named the squad. I also found another such article here: http://www.20min.ch/sport/fussball/story/Ohne-Steffen-und-Stocker--mit-YB-Helden-15769694 They both list the same names. Quanstizium (talk) 20:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The source does not necessarily need to be from FIFA or the national FA, but the announcement should be official. Iran's squad announcement was official (source), but Switzerland have not yet made an official announcement of the provisional squad. Spain's squad was leaked by media prior to the official announcement, in which Marcos Alonso was incorrectly included, so I'd say it's best to wait for official information. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:37, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Édison Realpe
Hello, I read your thread about missing Men's leagues at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. I request your opinion on this article. Had I not read your thread, I would have taken this to AfD or PRODed it. What is your opinion on this player as his career is limited to Ecuadorean Serie A? Thanks. Hitro talk 20:27, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it's a bit tough since NFOOTY cannot be used in this case. The article creator doesn't seem to have definitively proven they pass GNG either. A search of the player has brought up various news articles, though some of them may be WP:ROUTINE coverage. Though the article could possibly be PRODed, maybe a message should be left for the creator and/or the article could be tagged with for the time being (and checked later to see if GNG has been proven)? S.A. Julio (talk) 21:06, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your view. I guess notability tag is the best option in this case. Hitro talk 15:43, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Fb cs section
Template:Fb cs section has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 16:19, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Line-up images
How do you create the line-up images with kits? I want to do this for Mexican football – Katchila (talk) 21:35, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Transfermarkt at Template:Bundesliga current club data/doc
I have once again removed links to transfermarkt from this template. The only reason to have a link there is to allow readers to confirm the accuracy of the data listed. Whether in the article space or not, that's a source and should respect the reliability rules. Whether it's needed or not, including it there only serves to make readers incorrectly think that Transfermarkt is a reliable source. Please do not re-add it. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:35, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * "Readers"? This is template documentation, and is meant to aid those editing the template and verify there are no mistakes in comparison with other websites updated from (DFB), to allow for further checking if there are any discrepancies. The page is not meant for readers (as is the case with most templates), and the page is not sourcing the information, that's done through the individual articles to which information is transcluded. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:40, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * By reader I mean a reader of this template doc, not of the encyclopedia in general. I thought that was obvious. The underlying point still stands. If it's purpose is to verify that there are no mistakes, then an unreliable source is entirely unsuitable. Finding discrepancies between Transfermarkt and reliable sources isn't useful since they can't be accounted for the in mainspace anyway. That only reliable sources can verify information is a core policy, and we shouldn't be disregarding just because a page isn't meant for the general public. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:05, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Any reader of the documentation wouldn't assume it's reliable, the information is not being sourced with Transfermarkt. I see no past clear consensus from WP:ELN that says this link is not allowed. It's meant to act as a reminder after updating a long template, not source content. S.A. Julio (talk) 17:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * A reader may not necessarily assume that it's a reliable source, but Transfermarkt's unreliability is not immediately obvious, so that assumption distinct possibility. I've seen my fair share experienced editors make that mistake. If you think a reminder is needed, use a reliable source. There's more than enough of them out there that using Transfermarkt is entirely unnecessary. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:13, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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2018 FIFA World Cup squads - |sortname
Hi, I would like to know our general rule for that field. When checking Portugal's squad, I saw some irregularities. Cristiano Ronaldo is sorted as R in our lists (e.g. goalscorers) so I understand his sortname (Ronaldo, Cristiano). Joao Mario's and Mario Rui's cases are similar. But Ricardo Pereira's sortname is Ricardo Pereira (not Pereira, Ricardo?), is that a mistake or we sort him as R? When looking at Cedric's (Soares, Cedric), it seems inconsistent (why not Cedric?). Displaying and sorting Portuguese and Spanish names is a little bit tricky anyway. Iceland's squad also has some confusing cases: Birkir Mar Saevarsson's sortname is Birkir Mar Saevarsson (not Saevarsson, Birkir?) and Ragnar Sigurdsson's as well. They look like obvious mistakes, so I will fix them (also removing middle names, none of them is necessary). Centaur271188 (talk) 06:25, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree some of the sortnames need to be fixed. With there being so many players, manually adding the values for every player would have taken quite a while. Instead, I scraped the default sort keys from all the players' articles, though some of these pages have a few sorting mistakes. For example, if you look at the bottom of Cédric Soares, the DEFAULTSORT value is "Soares, Cedric", which maybe should be changed to "Cedric Soares". Iceland of course is a bit confusing with their patronymic naming system, though we still pipe down the names (example: Template:Iceland squad UEFA Euro 2016), so I'd think the sorting should follow suit. The article for Ricardo Pereira says he is commonly known as "Ricardo", hence why he is sorted as R (and he's also linked on Template:Portugal squad 2018 FIFA World Cup as just Ricardo). S.A. Julio (talk) 06:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I often take a look and make changes (if needed) when a team announce their final squad and numbers. About Cedric Soares, I will change his sortname in his main article, as well as squad article. Icelandic names are not a big problem - many English sources still treat their patronymic part as 'surname', so we can do the same here, even though we know about Icelandic way of naming people :) Centaur271188 (talk) 07:32, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Alberto Rodríguez (Defender of Peruvian futbol team)
Hi, I'm Peruvian, please I ask to you a change at the squad list of Peruvian futbol team, Alberto Rodríguez is now playing for colombian team Junior and not for Peruvian team Sporting Cristal. Thanks. Greetings. Xxvicsebxx (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. And glad to see Paolo is back :) S.A. Julio (talk) 14:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Fixtures on German national team article
Hey, why is there no use of "fb" and "fb-rt" in the 2018 fixtures section? Looks weird to me. Kante4 (talk) 15:37, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe it was changed to reduce the post-expand include size of the article. However, the size is no longer an issue so I've restored the simplified template. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Merci. Kante4 (talk) 15:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Request
Hello there, I have a request can you please block this user Special:Contributions/37.248.158.222 (talk). He vandalised the article Mats Hummels for example by changing his nickname from Julian to Judas. At least warn him about it. Thank you. Bayernfan2003 (talk) 11:20, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * User has been warned, for future reference you can install WP:TWINKLE to be able to quickly warn non-constructive editors. Twinkle also allows you to report them to WP:AIV if a block is needed. S.A. Julio (talk) 11:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for granting my request. Bayernfan2003 (talk) 12:01, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

2018 FIFA World Cup squads
Hi again :) Firstly, about your most recent edit (Honduran club Olimpia), I remembered that you changed it to CD Olimpia last month (to avoid confusion, because we have a Paraguayan club named Olimpia too), I think it is good and you do not have to revert yourself. Secondly, now we have a full report from FIFA, I would like to simplify the article by removing other sources, only retaining links about preliminary squads. Is it OK? Centaur271188 (talk) 16:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I thought since whoever played for the Paraguayan club was cut, that it is not longer necessary, but I'm fine either way. And I guess some references might no longer be necessary, though 2014 FIFA World Cup squads seems to have a reference for the final squads, since I'd assume the announcement date should be sourced? However, I don't see the need for references to squad numbers anymore. Also just finished fixing all of the birth dates, was surprised with the number of mistakes. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:41, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Wow, birthdates were not my concern, I thought they were all correct :| On references, I am thinking about inconsistencies, someone might read the links and notice differences (e.g. in positions, clubs). Maybe I will clarify in the lead section that such information (positions, numbers) are from FIFA, and remove additional links (mainly added by me :3 to explain positions). I would like to follow FIFA in club information too, which I suggested when doing UEFA Euro 2016 squads. Centaur271188 (talk) 17:57, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Also, I'm looking at the PDF, and Khedira is listed as DF while Álvarez is listed as FW, which is strange.. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:18, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * OK... where did you get the PDF file? FIFA's article mentioned it 4 times. To make sure that there is nothing wrong, I opened every links, they all redirected to that file (which I am using); I saw Edson Alvarez DF and Sami Khedira MF there. Would you send me your file or its link? Centaur271188 (talk) 21:35, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks, it seems as though FIFA uploaded a new version of the PDF to their website. The old version was still included in the article, I've updated the link. Also, I was curious, should the wording in the article be adjusted relating to clubs? Currently it says "The club listed is the club for which the player last played a competitive match prior to the tournament." However, should we change "for which the player last played a competitive match" to "for which the player was last eligible to play a competitive match"? For example, Yahya Al-Shehri finished the season on loan to Leganés, but never played a minute for the club. I feel as though Leganés should be listed instead of Al-Nassr, since he was still eligible to play for Leganés. FIFA also lists Leganés in their PDF. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I also suspected that FIFA published 2 PDF files, but did not check the article. Thanks for telling me that :) About club information, if we follow FIFA, then we will not need any further explanations. Back in 2016, Qed237 had some good points too. Even official source is inconsistent sometimes. It considers Al-Shehri a Leganes player, then Loftus-Cheek a Chelsea player (last season he was on loan at Crystal Palace, so he was ineligible to play for Chelsea, wasn't he?). Actually in these particular cases, I support our current way. Centaur271188 (talk) 22:01, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, I have just seen your edit about Francis Uzoho. Please be noticed that his most recent league game was for Deportivo B (I have checked RFEF reports). Centaur271188 (talk) 22:09, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, Loftus-Cheek seems to be the only outlier, otherwise FIFA's PDF seems to be accurate. Hypothetically, if Manuel Neuer moved permanently to Juventus in the winter transfer window, but he didn't play any matches due to his injury, I'd still think he should be listed as a Juventus player. So should the wording be slightly adjusted, and Al-Shehri be listed as a Leganés player? And with Uzoho, I'd say if a player plays for both the first and reserve sides, the parent club should just be listed. S.A. Julio (talk) 22:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree. I have changed the expression and taken care of Al-Shehri. About Deportivo B, it looks like the concept of 'B team' does not exist to FIFA. Panama's Ismael Diaz has only played for Deportivo B, but the 2 PDF files state "Deportivo La Coruna". Would you like to change it? And after checking 26/32 teams, I have noticed a likely typo: Senegal's Lamine Gassama is playing for Alanyaspor, while FIFA says Adanaspor. By the way, thanks for your perfect fixing job, except Sami Khedira and Edson Alvarez (FIFA is to blame). :) Centaur271188 (talk) 23:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I suspect FIFA only recognises players as contracted to the club, not differentiating between first/B teams. Another Panamanian, José Luis Rodríguez, plays for the second team (U21) of Gent, either way would probably be alright. Good catch with Gassama, there are a couple mistakes, like Kane weighing 98 kg... And yes hopefully everything should be fixed, I managed to extract all the positions and birth dates, unfortunately they no longer include caps/goals though. Cheers! S.A. Julio (talk) 03:11, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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Managers and FIFA nationality
FIFA nationality =/= nationality, and while I agree that FIFA nationality is *the* most relevant for players I would not believe it to be so for managers. Setting Pizzi's nationality as Argentinian would better reflect his managerial career and how he's perceived overall in the media, even if FIFA still names him as Spanish because it's the nation he last represented as a player. If Ashley Barnes were to retire tomorrow and become a manager one could hardly call him an "Austrian" manager, yet he would be so according to FIFA.

Ostalgia (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * We typically go by FIFA nationality for football articles. Also, FIFA's PDF, which the squads are sourced to, lists him as Spanish, so I'd say the article should remain as is. A discussion could be opened on the article's talk page if necessary. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:10, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

FIFA's PDF would have him as Spanish because, as mentioned, it's the last nation he played for according to FIFA records (thus my somewhat hyperbolic comparison with Ashley Barnes) although it does not, in my opinion, quite reflect how he's considered in real life. That said, I really don't have the time to delve into this any deeper (it took me a whole 8 days to come back to the page after editing it for the first time!) so have it your way. I'll refrain from messing with it any further!

Ostalgia (talk) 21:19, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

2018 FIFA World Cup squads - update caps & goals
Hi, last night Senegal played against South Korea in Austria. It is strange that you have not updated the stats for those 2 teams (I saw you did Belgium vs Costa Rica). Is this just a mistake or we have some reasons to exclude that match? Centaur271188 (talk) 03:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * As the match was played behind closed doors, the information was a bit more difficult to find (especially the substitutions). Luckily the KFA posted a match summary, so I've now updated the information. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:06, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

FIFA have now updated their PDF with caps and goals for all players, but I'm unsure about some of the statistics are correct. For example, FIFA say Medhi Benatia has scored 4 goals, though I'm not sure where 2 of these come from, and Samúel Friðjónsson apparently has scored a goal, though I'm not sure when either. However, in comparing the versions, there are quite a few correct changes. Thoughts? S.A. Julio (talk) 19:05, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I think I can only make a complete check (including comparing FIFA database to others, e.g. national-football-teams.com) tomorrow :( Have you done any? If you have, how many players are in doubt? I generally do not edit caps and goals, so right now please just do as you see fit. By the way, club information's issues have not been fixed at all. Centaur271188 (talk) 19:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Ekaterinburg Arena
Hi. The official FIFA source mentions the stadium name as "Ekaterinburg Arena" so can you please tell me why we should stick to a name like "Central Stadium" in the World Cup page rather than "Ekaterinburg Arena"?? Cricket246 (talk) 18:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Because the article is located at Central Stadium (Yekaterinburg)? The city name should also remain the same, the article is located at Yekaterinburg. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * But how can we ignore FIFA officially using the name "Ekaterinburg Arena" in this tournament? For sure the official name used by FIFA has to be used in the page of the World Cup? Cricket246 (talk) 19:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Not at all, we should use the WP:COMMONNAME reflected in the article title, we aren't a copy of FIFA's website. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:22, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The official name of the stadium isn't Central Stadium either in Russia... I really don't know where that is coming from... Anyway thanks for letting me know the details brother! Cricket246 (talk) 19:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, if the article title is incorrect then I'd suggest opening a move discussion at Talk:Central Stadium (Yekaterinburg). S.A. Julio (talk) 19:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok I'm finding out some more appropriate sources to check out which is the right name and then start a discussion. Cricket246 (talk) 19:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Additional info : Gianluca Rocchi is the referee for Portugal v Spain and Cüneyt Çakir is the referee for Morocco v Iran in Group B in case there are any doubts. Cricket246 (talk) 19:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Just saw the error in the page has been fixed. Cricket246 (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm curious where this info is from? Is it directly from FIFA or just third parties? Haven't seen anything on their website. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's all over the media. Confirmed by national federations and so on. FIFA is as usual late. The association of teams involved or the association of the referee has already announced those! Cricket246 (talk) 19:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

2018 FIFA World Cup line-up
Thanks for your line-up file (RUS v KSA), but Akinfeev's kit color is incorrect. JackHoang (talk) 15:00, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

World Cup
Is it necessary to mention the list of previous meetings before every game in the group stage? Doesn't make much sense or doesn't seem many will be interested in that info! Cricket246 (talk) 17:10, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

2018 FIFA World Cup statistics - Date is necessary
Please check 2014 FIFA World Cup statistics' and UEFA Euro 2016 statistics' revision histories. Anyway, I admit that adding a note for each section is not quite proper, a note in lead section is better. Centaur271188 (talk) 17:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Images for 1934 FIFA World Cup final tournament
Hi S.A. Julio, I am planning to expand every game for the 1934 FIFA World Cup final tournament. I started doing so in my sandbox, but I couldn't figure out to create the lineups images. I've been looking at all the lineups templates to no avail. Since you have uploaded the for the final, may you kindly explain to me how to do or where to look at? Thanks in advance. -- Tanonero    (msg)  09:00, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I typically use Inkscape as it works the quickest. Thanks for the help, there are quite a few gaps which need to be filled in from 1934 to 1966. S.A. Julio (talk) 14:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll try filling a few of those gaps. Can I ask you for your help should I stumble upon a more complicated visual tasks in the lineups such as changing the colors of the kits? -- Tanonero    (msg)  14:57, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Definitely, let me know if you need anything. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:50, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I may need your help now to create the lineups for Sweden vs Argentina because of the stripes of Argentina's kit. I started to work on the match here. May you kindly help? -- Tanonero    (msg)  22:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅, let me know if any positions are incorrect, or if the goalkeeper colours are wrong. Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 02:54, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Positions are correct, however, I couldn't find goalkeekper colours. Is it a convention to have them black when no information is available? -- Tanonero    (msg)  08:03, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll typically choose black for older matches if I can't find the goalkeeper colours, just as a default. S.A. Julio (talk) 08:54, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

2018 FIFA World Cup squads - continued
Hi, about my reverted edit, I thought his full surname was Nilsson Lindelof (mentioned by himself sometimes, and by many Swedish sources). FIFA's PDF file says the same thing, although it is (again) inconsistent here: Isaac Kiese Thelin's surname is just Thelin, and Jens Stryger Larsen's is just Larsen. By the way, Kevin McE is not happy with the phrase "injured ABC", he calls it "poor semantics" (really?) and wants to use "ABC was injured". Centaur271188 (talk) 18:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'd typically go by the article title (which is Victor Lindelöf), which should generally be the WP:COMMONNAME. As far as the wording goes, I tried to find a compromise to stay consistent while not being overly detailed (semantically it might be better to not use 'injured ABC'). Also related to names, I was curious about Munir Mohand Mohamedi, as FIFA says his correct name is Monir El Kajoui. While Monir/Munir is likely just a difference in romanisation, I find it strange that sources seem to be split on his full name (or possibly a combination of both: Munir Mohand Mohamedi El Kajoui?). Should a move discussion be opened? S.A. Julio (talk) 18:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like his full name is Munir/Monir Mohand Mohamedi El Kajoui. Anyway, I think wp:commonname still applies here, he plays in Spain and many Spanish sources (including Numancia's and Liga's) use Munir Mohand Mohamedi. By the way, a note for Nikola Kalinic seems unneeded, I will talk directly to Walter Gorlitz about that. Centaur271188 (talk) 20:30, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Felix Brych
Hey, I've started a discussion about adding that line on tax evasion on that referees' talk page immediately after your first reversion. If you are arguing WP:BRD, a possible BLP violation which is contested should be discussed first) then could you please join that discussion maybe? I've pinged you twice already but you've ignored my pings. Also, you've broken three-reverts rule already. Please, join the discussion that I've started Openlydialectic (talk) 20:59, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That edit of yours broke the three-revert rule (WP:ONLYREVERT). I think you should consider reverting your edits. Your BRD argument doesn't appear to be valid since, as I said above, I started a discussion on the talk page immediately after your first edit and pinged you on that talk page, but you are refusing to participate Openlydialectic (talk) 21:05, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:AGF, with the amount of vandalism on the article I didn't have a chance to see the talk page section. You also didn't ping me correctly, it's a bit excessive to the discussion was being "ignored" after only 20 minutes. Three reverts is not a violation of 3RR, and removing contentious, poorly sourced material according to the BLP policy is exempted. Additionally, the timing to add the information was not exactly ideal. Going by BRD, the disputed content should be discussed first, not restored while a discussion is started. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:34, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I assume good faith, but come on. The article has been locked more than 30 minutes and naturally hasn't had any vandalism ever since. Sorry if I pinged you incorrectly, how do I ping correctly? Also, you are describing the content as "contentious" which seems very POV. I've already went over this, but two of the five sources were articles from prominent german newspapers. Since when is Spiegel "contentious, poorly sourced". Anyway, waiting for your responce on that article's talk page. Openlydialectic (talk) 21:45, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

[[italy|🇮🇹]] ( [[italy|🇮🇹]] )
As of me, this flag (is the flag of Italy 1946-2003 (see Template:Country data Italy) should stand in all the articles relevant to the competitions between 1946 and 2003. So as, f.e.  for the events between 1955 and 1980, or 🇦🇱 ( 🇦🇱 ) between 1946 and 1992. So I think your edits 1, 2 and 3 are wrong. We may go to WP:3O if you disagree--Unikalinho (talk) 07:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Unlike the other flags you mentioned, this supposed Italian flag is the work of one person who added it to the template. I'm not convinced this is a seperate flag, the Italian Wikipedia makes no mention of a separate flag and they do not use File:Flag of Italy (1946–2003).svg anywhere on their wiki. If this supposed flag was in use for 57 years, why was it only uploaded 11 months ago? I've seen the same person incorrectly changing other flags, including the US flag apparently changing within the last 2 years.. S.A. Julio (talk) 11:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * What do you say about this?--Unikalinho (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

About Peru's Football Template
Hello, the flag used by FIFA isn't the actual Peru's national flag, they're using the state flag which isn't exactly our flag. We don't use that flag since 1950 as the national flag, so not sure why is FIFA using the old/state variant (the one that is used by the Government) but it is really weird to see it as the team's flag. Even Bolivia is using its national flag for its Football team, and Costa Rica the variant one in their Football templates. FIFA is also using Venezuela's state flag for unknown reasons like if they don't know the national flags of the South American teams. 

Since long time we were using the Peru's national flag as the flag for the Football team in the English, Spanish, etc wikipedias, so I kindly ask to use our national flag as the Peru's Football team flag like it was before since FIFA is inconsistent about national/countries flags. Thanks Danoasis (talk) 10:41, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, a discussion was opened on WT:FOOTY, I think we should generally use the flag which FIFA typically uses. While I'm no expert on the flag, Flag of Peru states this version is "used during ceremonies in which the National Flag is hoisted in the presence of spectators." Another interesting example is Flag of New Caledonia, for which FIFA has a unique flag based off the laws requiring both flags to be flown. S.A. Julio (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello Julio. Yeah, but the text lacks some information: "The flag is commonly hoisted during national ceremonies in the presence of the president, government officials, and spectators. It is also used in government offices".


 * Also there is an inconsistence with CONMEBOL, they were using the War flag in their logo. So as you can see, many institutions that are not Peruvian (for some weird reason) uses a different variant, and we don't understand that. FIFA using the State one and CONMEBOL the War one.


 * If you look to wikipedia in other languages you will see that they are using the National flag, especially in the Spanish one, because mostly Peruvians edit Peru related stuff, and know which version to use and also to avoid inconsistences like this one.


 * One last thing is that we use the old National flag (currently the State flag) in Football when we talk about Peru's old matches (before 1950, when the State and National flag were the same one). You can see that in the Spanish wikipedia to give you an idea:


 * This is interesting too:   Danoasis (talk) 11:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Definitely interesting, I'm not exactly sure how FIFA choose the flag, but they clearly display the state flag at matches. Same goes for Venezuela, where FIFA also uses the state flag (example from the 2017 FIFA U-20 World Cup). We should generally follow the flag used by FIFA. S.A. Julio (talk) 22:04, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Two things
Hey. Thank you for your quick and thorough edit, albeit sometimes we involved in edit conflicts. I want to talk about two things. The first was written in your Commons talk page. Second, I want to make an agreement. Since we both do updates quick and thorough (you are more thorough, though), and the concurrent matches are coming up tomorrow, how about I edit the matches played on earlier (17 or 18 or 19 local) and you the later (20 or 21 local). It is because in my country at the end of last match it is 3 a.m. I need more sleep after these one-by-one matches. How about that? I will do to the best of my ability to make it good. You can edit too if I made mistakes. I will leave the later matches entirely for you. It also includes tonight's match. How about that? Thank you and cheers. – Flix11 (talk) 17:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry with any edit conflicts, I'm never sure if there is someone who will update the matches or not (I recall Peru-Denmark not having been updated immediately). I'm not extremely familiar with the policies on Commons, but I'd suggest dealing with this disruptive behavior at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard, where an admin could resolve the issue. And sure, that sounds good, I'll only correct the formations if necessary. Also, what do you think about this kind of change? Typically we don't change the tense at all, for example see the tables on 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification. Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 19:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well thank you then. If I add the kits used on later matches is it OK too? I have many knowledge about kit templates so I think I can help with that, besides those are out about midnight here so I can still get healthy sleeps. The formations forward will be yours only. About the table I think the advance is correct, since it is a noun and a noun usually used in tables like that, such in previous FWCs, as well as in league tables. The examples are Template:2017–18 Premier League table and Template:2017–18 La Liga table. As you can see there nouns used (qualification and relegation). Thank you again for the understanding. – Flix11 (talk) 09:57, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, sounds good. I've been working on uploading the kits without logos (per FOOTY consensus), so hopefully these versions could be used from now on. S.A. Julio (talk) 12:44, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry I crossed your line yesterday, now it is all yours. – Flix11 (talk) 17:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I can not do the stuff on early matches today, so can we switch up? Thanks before. – Flix11 (talk) 12:14, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, sounds good. S.A. Julio (talk) 12:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I was in a business, so can we switch up for next game (kit to formation only, if I can all the way to results)? Thanks before. – Flix11 (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, full time update as well? I'll probably be busy by then. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * OK then. Thanks. – Flix11 (talk) 16:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Creating Lineup
Do you use a website or a software for creating lineups ? Would appreciate your help in pointing me to the right place. Coderzombie (talk) 05:31, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Knockout stage edit reverts
Hi. Can you please explain why you reverted my edits on the 2018 FIFA World Cup knockout page even though I made the edits after the final whistle? Is it a strategy to increase edit count or some issues of perceived ownership of the page? There is no other valid reason of you reverting the edits so would be enlightening to know why you did it. It came across in a pretty poor way! Cricket246 (talk) 15:58, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The match had not yet ended per FIFA. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:00, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well the final whistle had well gone by then. Anyway it's okay! Cricket246 (talk) 19:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

WP:OWNERSHIP
Why do you act like you own the World Cup articles? Let the others edit as well, this is a shared medium! Sheriff &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 16:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The KOR-GER match clearly was not finished, therefore Germany theoretically could have still won the group. As the page notice states, there is a consensus not to add live scores and not to update any statistics while a match is in progress. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:54, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The exercise to revert should be exercises sparingly. The situation or result did not change when you made reverts. The last revert you made was just a second before you made the final change yourself that clearly signals ownership attitude. There were four edits in the last minute. Do you seriously think that Germany would have scored three goals in last few seconds to come on top? You should give some leeway to others. Do not revert unless the result or situation changes not especially in the last few seconds. It was not like I made the edits midway in the match. You are interpreting "no live updates" too strictly. Also my edits did not involve score update as you purported in your comment. <b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b> &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 17:39, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * If you cannot understand WP:CONSENSUS (WikiProject Football discourage live updates, even if the score is 31-0), then it would be you who demonstrates WP:OWNERSHIP. Centaur271188 (talk) 17:44, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It was not a live update, I feel the match never ends until the owners say so, the reverts S.A. Julio made in the last minute which were few seconds apart were after the match has ended. This is an epic attitude on Wikipedia, the long term topic editors start thinking that they are the owners of the topic and do not allow edits by newcomers into the topic. You are making people feel unwelcome with this attitude. Also, one more tip, do not follow the World Cup on a delayed feed! <b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b> &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 18:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Delayed is a nature of many official sources. UEFA usually only updates the statistics half an hour after final whistle, and all changes in UEFA tournaments' articles (scores, goals, cards...) before that moment are considered 'live updates'. Correct or not, they are still unsourced, unverifiable, and may be reverted. Centaur271188 (talk) 18:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Given the World Cup is a highly visible article, there is also a greater amount of disruptive editing which has to be watched. It shouldn't matter if there is 1 minute left or 90, if a team is winning 10:0 or 1:0, live updates should be avoided. There were 9 minutes of stoppage time in KOR-GER, and the article was being updated before Korea's second goal. If Barcelona can score three goals in the dying moments of a match, it's not unreasonable to think that Germany could score twice in 6 minutes. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This revert of yours was just seconds apart from your next edit, not before the second goal of Korea. I am not responsible for anyone else’s actions, my edits were not nine minutes before the match ended and not before the second goal of Korea. Then, for the later matches, this edit of yours was exactly at the 90 minutes, only one match ended by then, the other was still on. I would have reverted you saying no live updates but I do not believe in the reverts unless absolutely necessary. So, when you do a live update, it is fine but when others do, it is not. Doesn’t it describe ownership? <b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b> &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 13:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Cho Hyun-woo
Hi, Are you controller? If you controller, Can you close discussion and move to Cho Hyun-woo => Jo Hyeon-woo? I'm South korean. This is not about WP:COMMONNAME issue. This is just spelling mistake. First user created article as wrong spelling. That's all. Actually No need discussion. Jo Hyeon-woo is accurate spelling.Footwiks (talk)
 * I did a simple search and saw Cho Hyun-woo was another common spelling. Controversial moves should be discussed first. S.A. Julio (talk) 08:57, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ignorant western football statistics sites and wikipedia user used 'Cho Hyun-woo' spelling. (He is not famous player before World Cup) => Then Ignorant western press used 'Cho Hyun-woo' spelling ==> Cho Hyun-woo spelling is common name. So we have to discuss here! Very ridiculus. This is just spelling mistake. This footballer can use Cho Hyun-woo and Jo Heyeon-woo spelling. But He chose Jo Heyon-woo spelling. That's all. WP:COMMONNAME can apply issue about Chicharito or Javier Hernández! If westerners use Cho Hyun-woo spelling by mistake. Does this footballer name remain forever as Cho Hyun-woo spelling in wikipedia.

I think this is crusial weakpoint of English Wikipedia. Only judge by Westeners view. Ignorant westerners use wrong name then this is common name. Agian, This issue is not the controversial moves, No need discussion.

I also did a simple serch and saw Thomas Muller was another common spelling,. With your logic, Do we have to discuss? Name spelling is proper nown and Korean name spelling is also proper nown like German name spelling. Please Please take it easy and Please Please don't make controversy about Korean name spelling in the future.Footwiks (talk) 10:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The move was contested as controversial as I saw the other spelling also used frequently, now a discussion is taking place to gain consensus (WP:BRD). Once a discussion is in progress, the page should not be moved until it is completed, there is WP:NORUSH. By the looks of the discussion, the page will likely be moved in a few days. S.A. Julio (talk) 11:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

2018 FIFA World Cup - multiple issues
Hi, firstly in group articles, I see FIFA's head-to-head statistical kit (PDF file) is mentioned repeatedly. Could we use ref name instead? Secondly, I think the wikilinks in group templates (2018 FIFA World Cup#Knockout stage) are not good enough, perhaps because we made those templates very early, when the main 'knockout stage' page had not been properly created yet. Things are different now, so I would like to change them (2018 FIFA World Cup knockout stage). Centaur271188 (talk) 06:11, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I thought the standard way was to link to the section on the main article (like with Euro 2016). And I think the references could be combined, I think they each source a different page, but Template:Cite web supports page ranges. I've been meaning to clean up the group stage articles a bit (got a bit distracted with so much going on), I can fix it if necessary. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It is just a small fix, if you feel OK, then I will do it myself right away. Do not worry :) Centaur271188 (talk) 16:26, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood you, I thought you would like to change the wikilinks in group templates. Well, I have never fixed the ref page before, but I will try. Centaur271188 (talk) 16:51, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Viking Thunder Clap
What do you want in this Viking Thunder Clap article? More source? Actually, I don't know what you want! You only raised a discussion issue! But you don't participate in. At the Jo Hyeon-woo article, Because of you, disscusion started. But you don't participate in. Footwiks (talk)
 * The article currently is a stub and doesn't prove its notability, the template explains the issues. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:06, 4 July 2018 (UTC)