User talk:S0091/Archive 5

Seeking Help. Draft: Gary Hutton
Hello and Happy New Year @S0091. I've admired Gary Hutton's work forever. And Gary's body of work deserves recognition and a Wiki. I've looked at the draft with fresh eyes and added new references that establish notability. Plus, it is quintessential for the interior design indsustry to be covered through their most striking projects. Do the changes now fulfill the goal? Please have a look and let me know what I could do differently.

P.S: This is my first Wiki. I enjoy doing it. And would really like to get a hang of it. SKCOTT (talk) 20:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @SKCOTT you have resubmitted it so another reviewer will take a look. I do strongly suggest listing on the draft's talk page, Draft talk:Gary Hutton, the three best sources that establish notability per the guidelines.  See WP:THREE for a guide.  If you do that, let me know and I will leave a comment letting the reviewer know to look at the talk page.  S0091 (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @S0091,
 * Thank you for the opportunity to resubmit.
 * Clarification:  Gary Hutton is an interior designer who trained as a fine artist.  His main notability and press/media coverage are for interior design. That is likely WP: creative or possibly WP: architect.
 * His work has been published by notable magazines in every one of the 40 years of his career. We’ve added three best sources that establish notability per the guidelines.
 * One of your colleagues turned down the submission before we had time to respond to your questions.
 * Re-stated/resupplied here:
 * 1. This is a recent San Francisco penthouse covered by "Interiors", the leading magazine for interior design professionals: https://www.interiorsdigital.com/interiors/_october_november_2020_/MobilePagedReplica.action?pm=1&folio=62#pg63
 * 2. Gary's book "Art House"-is a best-selling book about his work for a single client. Published by Assouline, the book reprinted in 2017, 2019 and 2021: https://www.assouline.com/products/art-house
 * 3.  Architectural Digest, the leading interior design consumer magazine https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/chara-schreyers-los-angeles-home This house was republished later in 2019 Phaidon – "Interiors: The Greatest Rooms of the Century"
 * References Added:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Gary_Hutton&action=submit SKCOTT (talk) 11:02, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey @S0091,
 * I'm still getting a hang of all things Wikipedia. The changes reflecting the clarifications above have just been published. Please have a look and let me know what you think? SKCOTT (talk) 15:58, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @SKCOTT, please post what you outlined above on the draft's talk page (linked above in my original response) so it is available to other reviewers. You can just copy/paste from here to there.  When ready, click the resubmit button and another reviewer will take a look.  S0091 (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * What's outlined above has (also) been addressed to the second reviewer on the talk page. I've hit resubmit. Thank you @S0091 for getting back to us. *Fingers crossed* SKCOTT (talk) 17:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Mark Wiens
Hi I resubmitted this but I figured I would ping here as well. It seems to meet WP:GNG. Any chance you could elaborate on the decline rationale. Andre🚐 04:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Andrevan, it's been reviewed again and there are some additional comments suggesting to post a note at the AfC helpdesk to see if an admin will accept it given it is protected. S0091 (talk) 15:48, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes, it is being discussed there Andre🚐 15:50, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Spade and Grave
Happy New Year. Just wanted to let you know I fixed the issues you'd highlighted with the Spade and Grave article.

All my best, Morsehead (talk) 15:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Morsehead there is a backlog drive going on so hopefully it will not take too long for it to be reviewed. Happy New Year to you as well! S0091 (talk) S0091 (talk) 15:49, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy 2023
I hope it's a great year for you. Take care and thanks for all your great work S0091. FloridaArmy (talk) 07:50, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

William Mabson
Hey S0091, since the article creator is blocked and can't edit the article (and of the course the article WAS on a notable subject), maybe we can help them out a little--if you can add to or improve the article, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:42, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Drmies oh yeah, it is not uncommon for me and other AfC reviewers to do at least some sprucing on FA's drafts before accepting them. I will work on it over the couple days or so.  S0091 (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Charge to 100!
Greetings. I write to ask how I can make the article acceptable. I read what you said to me, and deleted all the unnecessary things that were in the article. However, I don't know how to undo the unsubmitting. Thank you so much anyway. Fico Puricelli (talk) 18:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Fico Puricelli I am not sure what you mean by "undo the unsubmitting" but the draft was rejected, meaning it will not longer be considered. I mean, I guess you can try submitting it again but it will likely rejected again.  I am not sure there is anything you can do to make it acceptable because no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability.   S0091 (talk) 18:18, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft Edward Hayter
Hi, I have found the draft a few weeks ago and have been since editing it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Edward_Hayter I have removed non reliable sources like Instagram, wiki fan page, imbd... I added awards and more reliable edits. There are informations that were also told in a video interview which is on YouTube but since YouTube is a non reliable website I cannot add the link to these informations. Also he has appeared in some magazines but since they are physical sources how do I add them since it's not on the Internet? I would like to know what you think of the modifications after it was declined a few days ago. Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Veganpurplefox I generally do not do re-reviews because I find it is best to get another pair of eyes so I suggest resubmitting it and another another reviewer will take a look. S0091 (talk) 21:09, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I see thanks, I've got help from the tea talk and I've got some help there and he still doesn't meet the criterias so I won't resubmit it yet Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Veganpurplefox sometimes it is simply WP:TOOSOON for a Wikipedia article which may be the case here. Drafts are deleted after six month of inactivity (no edits) but even after deletion can be restored upon request so keep that in mind as it may be some time before the article can meet the notability criteria.  It is not an uncommon situation. S0091 (talk) 22:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Me being editing it does it count as activity? Like could it be deleted right now? I will update it frequently and has been for a few weeks now Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Veganpurplefox your editing counts as activity...any human edit does (there are bots that do things too but those don't count). The rule is six months with no human edits a draft is considered abandoned (see WP:G13) but again, even if it is deleted after six months of inactivity, it can be restored upon request. S0091 (talk) 22:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

OK thank you! Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks @PigeonChickenFish! Had I known you (or someone else) were going use them I would have formatted them. I enjoy looking for sources so don't hesitate to ask.  I also suggest becoming an AfC reviewer (request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants) so you can accept pending submissions you have improved or any others, of course.  I will work on Mabson, although I am not the best writer. :( S0091 (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I didn’t want to "step on toes" in case you wanted to add more content yourself. But please do not feel pressure to add. Also any additional citations are always welcome IMO! Keep up the good work and thank you! PigeonChickenFish (talk) 21:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't ever worry about stepping my toes and I agree about sources. They are the foundation for any content so I figure if I can at least provide sources so editors can more easily expand content and interested readers can find more information.  The only reason I was using the talk page on Mabson is because Drmies had asked me to expand it so thought I'd try compiling sources then expand.  Usually I just plop them in and may or may not expand the content.  S0091 (talk) 22:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Hargeisa
Hello, my editing of Hargeisa in Somalia was sadly marked as not constructive. Hargeisa is internationally recognised to be part of Somalia. It is like Wikipedia denying France to be marked as the country of Paris. Editing facts are always constructive. We can’t deny under international law that Paris is in the country of France, thus we can’t ignore that Hargeisa is Somalia, under the international law. Thank you! History1960 (talk) 23:14, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @History1960 please see the discussions that have already occurred on the article's talk page and I suggest seeking consensus (read that) for your proposed changes by starting a new discussion. S0091 (talk) 23:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Jan muller
Dear reviewer, Thank you for your suggestions, I do understand the gist of it. However, please May I give you some background to explain why I don’t want to rely heavily on the book “The survival of Jan Little”. The author of the book “the survival of Jan Little” never paid her any money for it. He was paid a substantial amount of money (I have a copy of the contract), but did not share this with Jan. Jan got interest from screen writers who wanted to make a film of her story. The copyright issues with the author of the original book got too complicated, so Jan decided to write her own story, so that she owned full copyright over that. However, it became more important to her to tell her story in her own words, she never pursued the screen play.

I inherited Jan’s manuscript and promised her before her death to publish it. Because the only real source out there atm is the first book I wanted to create a Wikipedia page and collect as many references as possible, without too much connection to the first book. Do you think there is a way?

Many thanks for your attention Nathalie 88.202.245.93 (talk) 16:39, 13 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Nathalie, that is not the purpose of Wikipedia. As an encyclopedia Wikipedia is not a publisher of original research or personal analysis and it would also violate the neutral point of view policy.  Also, what you describe may be a copyright violation.  While I am personally sympathetic with the situation, Wikipedia is not the correct venue for what you want to accomplish so you will need to pursue a different outlet.  Best of luck, S0091 (talk) 16:54, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Causal AI
Has been deleted if you want to accept the draft. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

COI and a draft author
You have been reviewing a draft for an author who I have reported on suspicion of being a paid editor. See Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard 10mmsocket (talk) 22:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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Tim Burton page
Hi! Per your removal of my controversy section on the Tim Burton page, are there any edits you would recommend making so that it is as objective as possible?? I think what I added is very important information for anyone looking into Tim Burton to have, and I never branded him racist or inserted my opinion into what I wrote. The removal of my edits reads less as a commitment to objectivity and more as a dismissal of the very real concerns of Black people and communities of color who don't feel appreciated by Burton's work and are upset by his comments. Basicwhitebach (talk) 20:09, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Basicwhitebach did you read my comments on your talk page and follow the linked pages? You still did not format the citations properly, although that was not the main reason for my revert, it does make it difficult follow the sources. I think there is likely a better way to handle the content than a big Controversy section but that is also why starting a discussion on the article's talk page where others can join and  consensus can be gained is the best path.  S0091 (talk) 20:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't have an established talk page because I'm a relatively new user: I only saw your comment about my controversy section being controversial. I understand that my citations were incorrect, but they were sufficient to support what I wrote and I think a better move would have been correcting the citations rather than simply deleting everything I wrote. I would also be more than happy to integrate the information into an existing section rather than creating a new one: I'm just not sure where that would be appropriate. Basicwhitebach (talk) 21:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Basicwhitebach you do have a talk page, see User talk:Basicwhitebach. I left you a Welcome message along with other comments. :)   You should have WP:notifications.  S0091 (talk) 21:26, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * you're right - I apologize. Again, I'm new here and am still learning the ropes (for example, I now understand that labeling the section I added "Controversy" instead of just describing it objectively was inappropriate and not in keeping with Wikipedia policy) Basicwhitebach (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Basicwhitebach no problem! You might want to amend the statements on your User page as discussions/consensus is how things are work around Wikipedia so stating you don't have time for such things is the antithesis to Wikipedia's collaborative crowd-sourced approach.  I mean, I get what you are saying but it comes across as antagonistic (maybe?).  At the of day the ONUS (read that...its short) is really on you to support the content you want to add.  There's lots of established rules and guidelines, for better or worse, so the best advise I can give a new editor is to be mindful of what those with more experience say until you get the hang of it.  S0091 (talk) 22:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Kandiid
Please advise, Kandiid is a bona-fide social networking app that has been featured in Forbes and Yahoo news. In addition, the app won the W3 award for best cultural app design for 2022 out of 3,023 entries world wide. Curtmarsalis (talk) 23:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Curtmarsalis existing is not enough; a subject has to meet the relevant notability criteria. The Forbes article is not a reliable source because it was written by a contributor rather than staff (see WP:FORBESCON).  Yahoo! News is only a news aggregator so in of itself is meaningless and not even cited in the draft and winning a W3 award does not confer notability.  I suggest you read through all the policies and guidelines that have been provided to you on your talk page because so far none of the drafts/articles you have submitted have been accepted.  S0091 (talk) 17:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Awad_bin_Mohammed_al-Qarni
I submitted a draft for Awad al Qarni yesterday, and you did not accept it on the basis of WP:GNG. I would just like to generally advise that before rejecting a draft it could be a good idea to do at least one search for the subject, because Awad al Qarni passes WP:GNG with flying colors, and this can be detected very quickly after entering his name in Google (in English, let alone Arabic!). I just didn't have time to add more sources, and I was hoping that others could improve the page.

Anyway, I've added more references, but just for future reference I think it would be a good policy to do a basic search before rejecting subjects as non-notable. Maybe I'm wrong about this, and the burden of proving notability should rest completely with the person drafting the article. If so, maybe you can advise me about some Wikipedia policies that I'm unaware of that relate to that. Thanks. Chagropango (talk) 05:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Chagropango AfC reviewers review drafts as they are so if you want sources to be considered you need to cite them before submitting. With that said, you have enough edits that you do not need to go through AfC and can move drafts to mainspace where it will be reviewed by WP:NPP but generally they will move articles back to draft if they think an article is not ready for mainspace.  At the end of day, it is the creators responsibility to show a subject meets the notability guidelines.  A WP:BEFORE search is generally expected only when an article is nominated for AFD.  S0091 (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @S0091, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the information. Chagropango (talk) 17:53, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Chagropango one thing you can do is go ahead and cite the additional sources so they are there for reviewers then expand later. A well sourced WP:STUB is acceptable.  It is not uncommon for editors to create articles with only a few sentences, even directly in mainspace, then expand them over the course of days.  S0091 (talk) 19:14, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Boris von Brauchitsch
Hi, you were ind enough to give me some feedback on my first wiki entry for Boris von Brauchitsch. I'v followed your advice on the references but I'm nervous about removing some of his Bibliography, I wouldn't want to present him in a diminished form and he's done so much. Any advice, gratefully received and thanks for your time! Catseye1975 (talk) 15:27, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Catseye1975 the problem is a Wikipedia article should not be an indiscriminate list and you do not want to bury his most notable works (i.e. most written about or cited). The other issue is most of the content is unsourced.  Almost all claims need to be cited with a reliable independent secondary source.  What he or those affiliated with him (his publishers, etc.) have written or said matters not; only what others have written or said such as their analysis and opinions about his work.  Primary sources are fine to use for very basic facts.  For the quote, it should not be its own section and it needs attribution (who said it).  S0091 (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Super, thanks! I've taken a lot from his German Wikipedia page but I'll give it another go. Have good day! Catseye1975 (talk) 17:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Catseye1975 each Wikipedia language is its own separate project with different policies and guidelines. I do believe he is notable so I think the main focus should be sourcing.  If you translated material from the German article, you do need attribute it (see WP:TFOLWP, its easy, an edit summary will do).  S0091 (talk) 17:15, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Lauren Burch
Hi. I submitted a draft for this page. I didn't add any references because I don't really know which websites are reliable sources, & which are not. I might start adding some references though. GeneralizationsAreAmazing (talk) 06:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Ó Ríordáin
Thank you for the feedback on the article.

I wrote the article to give a more in depth account of the Ó Ríordáin clan, in response to seeing some articles on Wikipedia that contained very little, but also very incorrect, information.

Unfortunately secondary sources don't really exist as our clan is not that big. I was wondering, if it would make more sense, for me to update one of the existing articles instead?

The articles in question are Thesraid (talk) 20:35, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riordan
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Riordan
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reardon


 * Hi @Thesraid I suggesting posting a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy (the experts) to get some guidance on how to handle the variations and history. Granted, you still need some secondary sources to expand them a bit but I also wonder if they should be combined or if there is some other better option.  S0091 (talk) 20:50, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Thesraid (talk) 11:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep the list of people with name Riordan and variants of such separate from the clan. These people have close to zero relation to the clan, on average. Make a clan page like Ó Ríordáin dynasty. BurgeoningContracting (talk) 13:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Mountain States Policy Center
Hi there, not sure what else can be added or subtracted from this page to have it be approved? NorthStar1980 (talk) 06:52, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @NorthStar1980 their website nor those affiliated with them are reliable sources so you need reliable, secondary sources whose content is independent of the center (not what the center says about themselves, interviews, etc.) that have written in-depth about the center. Merely existing is not enough. S0091 (talk) 21:01, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, we have removed their website from all parts except where it refers to something specific. Everything else is a secondary source. NorthStar1980 (talk) 05:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Lilly Yokoi
Re. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lilly_Yokoi

Google it.

Don't just decline stuff,

Check it out.

There's loads of reliable sources about this person.

I'm not COI. I just heard about her today.

There's dozens of books which mention her.

Don't dismiss things without checking.

Wikipedia should contain information about all notable subjects... and I'm pretty sure Lilly is one of them.

86.24.168.231 (talk) 03:49, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP, it is the responsibility of the draft's submitter to provide the sources that shows a subject meets the notability guidelines. Reviewers generally do not search for sources.  I see you have added some additional sources so you are welcome to resubmit it (click the blue "Resubmit" button at the bottom of the decline message) and another reviewer will take a look. S0091 (talk) 15:53, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi.

On [Draft:Lilly_Yokoi], you said "Sources used are not reliable and/or not in-depth".

The sources include,


 * Perry, C. (2016). The Kaleidoscope British Christmas Television Guide 1937-2013. (n.p.): Kaleidoscope Publishing.
 * Billboard, 7 Apr 1956. Vol. 68, No. 14, ISSN 0006-2510. Published by Nielsen Business Media, Inc.
 * Tatarsky, D. (2016). The Splendid Book of the Bicycle. United Kingdom: Portico.

Are you sure that those are not appropriate reliable sources? 86.24.168.231 (talk) 11:00, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP, two other reviewers have reviewed the draft since my original review and declined after you added additional sources, and another editor left comments stating one sentence is not enough. You have resubmitted it again so yet another reviewer will review it. While I will not review it again. I do strongly suggest expanding the article summarizing what the cited sources have written about Yokoi.  S0091 (talk) 16:32, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Sfold
Hi S0091, Thank you for the editorial feedback. We are new to Wikipedia page creation. To address your comments, we added eight new independent references (11, 12, 15, 16-20), and removed two short non-essential paragraphs that were strongly associated with the creators. We note that references 21-25 are also from independent sources. We hope the revised version meet the Wikipedia requirements. Please let us know if you have any comments on the revised draft, before we resubmit. DOHrennie (talk) 21:03, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @DOHrennie who is "we"? S0091 (talk) 21:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Computational RNA Scientists. DOHrennie (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @DOHrennie maybe I am misunderstanding but accounts cannot be shared (see WP:NOSHARING). Is there more than one person that has access to DOHrennie? S0091 (talk) 16:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No, just me. The "we" refers to the other people in our research group that I have talked over the page with.   The prose is all mine, such as it is. DOHrennie (talk) 20:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @DOHrennie thanks for the clarification. You have resubmitted the draft so another reviewer will take a look.  However, I will say that most of the sources used are not independent which will still be an issue.  The best advice I can give is to remove those sources entirely along with any of the content attributed to them. S0091 (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will take another look at the references while waiting for a decision on the article.  I think there are quite a few references I can trim. DOHrennie (talk) 15:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Our campaigns
In 1976 United States Senate election in Nebraska there "Our Campaigns - NE District 1 Race - Nov 05, 1974". www.ourcampaigns.com. Retrieved 17 August 2021. so your wrong and it source are Omaha world herald (talk) 22:02, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @JohN2839 as for other articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Our Campaigns is user-generated so not reliable so I suggest using the Omaha World Herald instead.  S0091 (talk) 16:46, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you
S0091:

Thank you. I re-formatted and re-wrote the submission "Four Together" as you suggested based on the submission for "A Concert for Charlottesville." I also added a few additional citations.

Please note that regarding the connection with the son of one of the performers, I have never met him in person and only exchanged a few text messages with him. As such, I would not say I have a relationship and thus am not sure a COI form is required. He solely pointed me to fact-based sources I could use to create this submission.

I look forward to your review. I believe the concert was substanital and historical and so I hope for it to be published. And thanks again.

Bpin604 Bpin604 (talk) 18:45, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Bpin604 I am confused. You have not improved Draft:Charity Concert: Four Together, which is the draft I reviewed. There is also Draft:Four Together, created before Draft:Charity Concert: Four Together.  Either way, you need to improve Draft:Charity Concert: Four Together and when ready resubmit it for review and another reviewer will take a look.  S0091 (talk) 20:26, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what happened but the changes I made only appeared on the message you sent me. So to eliminate the confusion, I copied those changes onto both previous versions you linked to. I know that means there are multiple (identical) versions submitted but this way all the changes are visible.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Charity_Concert:_Four_Together
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Four_Together
 * Rather than another reviewer, I'd love your opinions since you are familiar with the content and changes.
 * Thanks again. Bpin604 (talk) 20:04, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bpin604 no offense but I have reviewed at least a hundred draft since I reviewed this one so I honestly do not recall anything about it. Also I find "fresh eyes" are best so it is not just my opinion; therefore, I will not re-review it, as is my general personal policy with any draft so this is not anything personal or specific about this draft.  S0091 (talk) 21:11, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Daily Variety request for Horace Jackson (filmmaker)
Hi, I scanned the Daily Variety article you requested at WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request/Archive_141, and can send it to you if you email me so that I can attach it in reply. If you no longer want it, please mark the Resource Request thread resolved so that it will be archived, and volunteers will know not to bother with it. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:48, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Worldbruce ✅. Thanks!! S0091 (talk) 19:09, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Vermont SportsCar draft
I edited the citations in question for the Vermont SportsCar draft to be third-party and independent of Wikipedia. Please see the revisions: Draft:Vermont SportsCar Chowderphone (talk) 00:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

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Alakh pandey
Accept alakh pandey draft. He is public figure in India. Tousif.15 (talk) 05:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Review
Can you please review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Piet_Emmer, i have updated the article with more sources, together with a more experienced Wikipedia editor from the Dutch Wikipedia, thanks. TheRoyalTrust (talk) 15:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @TheRoyalTrust you have resubmitted it so another reviewer will take a look. S0091 (talk) 16:16, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. TheRoyalTrust (talk) 17:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Trade publications
Hello @S0091

You recently left a message on a submission of mine regarding the suitability of some sources I cited. The comment was "trade publications are considered weak at best." I'm not saying this is wrong per se, I just couldn't find it in Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources). Is it articulated somewhere else? 24.187.65.246 (talk) 03:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP. Thanks for asking.  It is part of the notability guidelines for companies: Trade publications must be used with great care. While feature stories from leading trade magazines may be used where independence is clear, there is a presumption against the use of coverage in trade magazines to establish notability. This is because businesses often use these publications to increase their visibility. S0091 (talk) 15:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

"Not a reliable source"
On Draft:Palmer Memorial Episcopal Church, you called the church's archives not reliable.Why not? Cash713 (talk) 20:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Cash713, thanks for the question. A reliable source has editorial oversight and a history of fact checking, such as newspapers.  Also, at the end of the day what a subject says about itself is largely not usable because it is not independent.  It is fine to use the site for very basic facts such as name, location, etc. but beyond that should be avoided.  What is needed are secondary reliable sources, independent of the church or what they say.  For example, interviews with those affiliated with church may be published by an otherwise reliable source but that is not an independent source because it is a regurgitation of what the church says.  See also primary.  S0091 (talk) 20:33, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * but it includes legal documents and stuff Cash713 (talk) 20:34, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Legal documents are primary sources. You need more than just supporting the church exists; you have to prove it is notable which means secondary reliable sources have written in-depth about it.  I suggest trying Google Books (always worth a shot).  S0091 (talk) 20:43, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Kemal (software)
Thank you for the review.

I added all the references I could find. There are actually 3 different references that make this article reliable from independent sources

- One from O'reilly which is a reputable publisher

- One from CodeMiner42 which is a reputable software company

- One from Serdar Doğruyol who is the developer of Kemal

I'm not sure what else to add at this point. Could you please re-review or help? 85.101.154.129 (talk) 05:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:2022 Ms. Olympia
There is no reason why 2022 Mr. Olympia should be allowed to have it's own Wikipedia page when 2022 Ms. Olympia does not. There has been over 40 pages of every Ms. Olympia event held every year from 1980 Ms. Olympia to 2021 Ms. Olympia. What is the double standard? Gengeros (talk) 15:00, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Gengeros see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I cannot comment on existing articles as that is not what was reviewed.  You are welcome to resubmit it to get another opinion or you can move it to mainspace (article space) yourself where it will be reviewed by WP:NPP.  S0091 (talk) 15:15, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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Draft:Rita Flynn
Hi ,

could you please review this draft for American actress Rita Flynn? 186.188.178.109 (talk) 12:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Did you see the note I left you at User talk:190.140.147.233? S0091 (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Inspera
Hi @S0091,

You declined the submission Draft:Inspera on 7 January 2023. In an attempt to improve the submission, I would very much like some more input on what changes are needed.

You stated the article needed multiple published sources that were in-depth, reliable, secondary, and strictly independent. I had attempted to provide that in the submissions with the references and, which both point to in-depth articles about Inspera in Dagens Næringsliv, a leading Norwegian business newspaper. I also provided references to how-to guides written by customers like the University of Oxford, as such how-to guides are mentioned explicitly in Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) - Examples of substantial coverage.

Are these sources considered insufficient?

You also commented about Citation overkill. Would the submission be improved by stripping down to just these three references, and removing the content (and supporting references) about the company history and list of customers?

Is that enough? Is there anything else I should do? I also added a COI section on the talk page.

Thank you for your help. Dkoltorcan (talk) 00:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Dkoltorcan I have added the declaration to your User page (User:Dkoltorcan) and the draft's talk page. S0091 (talk) 13:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Dkoltorcan (talk) 17:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Awww...thanks @Vanderwaalforces! S0091 (talk) 21:19, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Um...
Wtf, S0091? I wasn't done with the draft nor was I planning on submitting to AfC at all. Silver seren C 22:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Silver seren I was going through drafts created by FA based on this list and submitting some I thought would pass because the AfC drive has brought pending submissions down to almost zero. If you want to me skip any you have edited, I can but not sure if any other editors are going through them (or unsubmitted drafts in general. see also WT:WikiProject Articles for creation/November 2023 Backlog Drive).  I am not sure one can stop another editor from submitting drafts they did not create or significantly contributed to.  S0091 (talk) 22:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's just generally considered really rude to submit a draft someone else is actively working on. Just because a draft page exists also doesn't mean someone is planning on using AfC at all. Silver  seren C 22:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Silver seren I understand where you coming from and apologize. I did not mean any offense and will be sure not to touch any of FA's drafts you have edited. S0091 (talk) 22:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. Sorry if I was brusque, I was just surprised. Silver  seren C 22:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Silver seren now that I see your note at the AfC discussion and understanding you were planning a DYK I get the Wtf a bit more. I should have noticed your recent edits but honestly didn't think to look as the vast majority have only been edited by FA. S0091 (talk) 23:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

User:Silver seren I noticed that you are back, and I was trying to hold off on asking for help with various subjects so as not to chase you away! User:S0091 thanks so much for helping with my many drafts!!! FloridaArmy (talk) 16:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

R. G. Williams
Was R. G. Williams a pseudonym for William Lloyd Garrison? Someone else? They published abolitionist publications. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ransom G. Williams FloridaArmy (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think Alexander Anderson (illustrator) did the engravings for his various abolitionist publications, but I don't see anything about them in his entry. An Alexander Anderson noted as illustrator here. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * When you write the Ransom G. Williams entry please include File:Letter to) Bro. Williams (manuscript (IA lettertobrowilli00phel).pdf this letter to him. Actually there may be lots of other images to illustrate including the publications themselves. Good luck!!! FloridaArmy (talk) 16:16, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Kitten of appreciation
I was new here on Wikipedia and didn't quite understand the rules of anything. Thank you for helping me in a civil way! Here is a nice photo of a cat for you.

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A comment you made a long time ago
Just giving you a heads up that the comment you made here provided incorrect information to a new editor. The extended-confirmed restriction applies everywhere, including draft space. I'm not sure if this is still the advice you'd give, but I figured it's best if I popped in the clarify. I appreciate your good faith work helping new editors and working at AfC, so please don't take this as any sort of admonishment. Thanks for all you do. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:18, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @ScottishFinnishRadish thanks for taking the time to let me know. Luckily, I believe that is the only time I have given advice about ARBPIA other than leaving a notice and even that is rare.  S0091 (talk) 14:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Sustainable Ventures Draft
Hi S0091,

Thanks for your input regarding my wikipedia submission. What sources would be credible to prove that the company exists? Or what references would showcase impact besides internal impact/investing reports? Besides the information I've referenced, there's not any more online articles. Is it also a case whereby I remove some references, besides the company website references, which other ones are irrelevant?

Have a lovely week and hope to hear from you soon!

Many thanks,

SustainableJragon SustainableJragon (talk) 10:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @SustainableJragon Wikipedia is a not a directory so merely existing is not enough to warrant an article. Please read through all the links in the gray boxes in the decline messages which outlines what is needed.  S0091 (talk) 17:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The article isn't supposed to be a directory but a page for information that people can refer to if they want to learn more about the organisation. If existing and doing impactful things in the sustainability sphere such as hosting Prince William and raising £1bn for climate-tech startups isn't enough, then what else is needed to warrant it's own page? SustainableJragon (talk) 12:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Help artist page
Hi @S0091 thank you for your reply, after few search like you mention it "demonstrate they have had solo shows at major galleries or museum, etc." I can see here (https://www.mutualart.com/Artist/Brice-Gelot/8D7F2F76DBC5780E) the artist has been featured by the Glasgow Gallery of Photography in Scotland, also represented in London by the art gallery Maggio and featured on Artsy_(website) (https://www.artsy.net/artist/brice-gelot) where they confirm his notability. Madison.y (talk) 23:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Madison.y Mutual Art supports he exhibited in a group show at the Glasgow Gallery of Photography which does meet multiple solo shows at major galleries or museums. Artsy is a commercial site selling his work so not a reliable source. S0091 (talk) 15:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @S0091 thank you for your time and reply. So if this meet the criteria what should I amend on the page to be accepted ?
 * Also to be sold on Artsy as artist you need to be represented by notable art galleries, only art gallery can sold artist artwork thru this platform, single artist itself or unrepresented notable artist are not allowed. Madison.y (talk) 23:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Madison.y I see I missed a crucial word in my reply. I meant "which does not meet multiple solo shows at major galleries or museums."  I apologize for the miscommunication.  Again, Artsy is not a reliable source and being represented by a gallery is meaningless from a notability perspective.  If his work has had critical reviews by reputable art publications, like ArtForum or mainstream media (newspapers, etc.) those can be used to establish notability, though.  Be sure they are reviews, not interviews or promotions of his shows.  S0091 (talk) 20:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Trevor Ombija's Wikipedia page
Hello S0091,

I have made necessary changes to the Draft article on Mr. Trevor Ombija in regards to your feedback a few days ago about adding more relevant sources. I kindly request you to review the draft once more and if you can return feedback on whether it is ready for publishing yet or not. Thank you

Regards,

Serrwinner Serrwinner (talk) 14:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Serrwinner you have resubmitted the draft so another reviewer will take a look. S0091 (talk) 15:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Political image of Javier Milei
Hi @S0091, can you please fix the rejection? One editor moved the article to Drafts:Javier Milei, without explanation. It then got rejected two times because the main article exists already, this was corrected and it was resubmitted. The initial rejection has been addressed, by updating the content to be more in line with a Political image article. The creation of spin-off articles is also valid, as was demonstrated with the creation of the positions article. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 14:18, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Robert McClenon proposed a merger so let that discussion run its course. I pinged the editors who participated in the Political positions of Javier Milei AfD so hopefully the discussion will move swiftly.  S0091 (talk) 14:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that was because the article had been moved to Drafts:Javier Milei. He moved it back to Political image, so i could resubmitt it; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Public_image_of_Javier_Milei&diff=prev&oldid=1185771524 Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Pedantic Aristotle what a mess! Yes, I will undo my rejection so will go back to pending review.   S0091 (talk) 14:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes that would be an understatement for this whole topic. Thanks. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 14:42, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've declined your submission. Your idea for how to create this article is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You can create an article under this name by splitting it from the source article. But you can't create an article with duplicate content and just reorder paragraphs under different headings, and not follow WP:SUMMARYSTYLE in the source article. Sincerely—Alalch E. 04:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Alalch E., thanks for the feedback, I was not aware there was a dedicated process for this. I initially duplicated the content, then I was asked to fix the content before resubmitting, which is why it ended up this way. Have restarted the process according to WP:Splitting now. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Christopher Del Borrello Submission Rejected
Why did you reject my submission? I believe it is absolutely notable to be on Wikipedia, did you take the time to look at the sources and my note? Antny08 (talk) 14:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Antny08 The draft has been reviewed reviewed 10 times with that last reviewer stating it was WP:too soon. I looked at the sources you added since that decline, which were New Jersey Globe.  As last previous reviewer noted they not carry much weight, and were largely what he says about himself so not independent in addition to being routine campaign coverage.  He fails WP:NPOL, as has been stated numerous times, and does not meet WP:GNG.  S0091 (talk) 15:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * But they do carry weight, New Jersey Globe is a long-running news source that posts multiple articles DAILY, and is rated as neutral by a highly reliable bias checker source. I see nothing that shows that it is not a notable source, other than just opinion, which is different from fact. Antny08 (talk) 15:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And also, I read every single article, many of the ones which I sourced are not him talking about himself, many are genuine independent sources. Antny08 (talk) 15:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I ask that you please look over it again, the previous denials were mostly because I did not have WP:THREE until pretty much the most recent submission. I discussed with the previous reviewer who listed it as WP:TOOSOON, and he admitted that you could maybe consider it a reliable source that can carry weight. New Jersey Globe is a good source, as it is independent and well-known. I have 46 sources for this person, I do not understand how he could possibly not meet WP:GNG with that many sources mentioning him. Thank you. Antny08 (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Antny08 I will not reconsider. You had a robust discussion on the previous reviewer's talk page and they even told you the New Jersey Globe is likely not sufficient, yet that is all you added for additional sources.  The New Jersey Globe is a reliable source but in order to meet notability the source must also be secondary and independent (if all they are doing is largely regurgitating what someone says, that is primary and not intellectually independent|).  In addition, it needs be something outside of routine campaign/election coverage (see WP:Run-of-the-mill).  The role is non-notable and the sources you added fails the notability criteria. It is not about the number of sources but about the quality of the sources and what those sources actually contain. This is the end of the road for the draft so I suggest moving on.  I will not respond any further. S0091 (talk) 21:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * you are a big fat monkey Antny08 (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Antny08 you must have me confused with User:Big Fat Monkey. :) S0091 (talk) 22:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * you're right!!! 0_0 Antny08 (talk) 22:28, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * But honest question lol, if Chris ever runs for a higher office again and succeeds, will the rejection be removed? Antny08 (talk) 12:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Antny08 state-wide or federal offices are automatically notable. For local offices, the only that are automatic are mayors of large cities, such as Trenton and Newark for example.  Other than that, local politicians usually require sustained in-depth national/international coverage beyond the scope of what would ordinarily expected for their role so keep that in mind.  But yes, rejections can (and are) undone to allow for re-submission.
 * Also, a few things to be aware of. Drafts are automatically deleted as abandoned six months after the last human edit but can be restored upon request. You will get a notice on your talk page with instructions as well if it is deleted.  In addition no one owns a Wikipedia article so if accepted and released into the wild so to speak, it is open for anyone to edit which includes vandalism, negative press, etc. (good, bad, ugly).  You or those affiliated with Del Borrello will not be able to control the content.  I suggest reading WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing even though this does not appear to be about you. S0091 (talk) 15:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Antny08 (talk) 15:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

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Tony Kenning
Thank you for your feedback. After working for almost a year on this submission, it is clear that I will not meet the criteria needed to have my submission approved. It is a shame that someone complained and took down the original submission without, in my opinion, adequate reason. I was simply trying to return what was already in Wikipedia's resources. Tony Kenning should be recognized within Wikipedia as an original founding member of Def Leppard; sadly, this will not happen. RuthPres (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Out West on the Overland Train


Hello, S0091. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Out West on the Overland Train".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 04:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Impulse Space has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Impulse Space. Thanks! asilvering (talk) 22:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

False chart performance in an accepted AFC
Hello. I thought I let you know that there were false chart performance added to The Bob's Burgers Movie (soundtrack) by an IP at before you accepted this article. The UK charts I'm sure this soundtrack did not appear on per OCC. I tagged the other ones as failed verification as the chart search on Billboard isn't working for me to confirm. Thanks! MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Draft:Ozjasz Wasser
One of the consequences of World War 2 was the destruction of documentation relating to Polish culture prior to the War.

My interest is to attempt to record some of the Polish people who has so much potential that was never realised due to being killed during the War. I believe it is up to us not to forget that these peoples' lives were taken from them before they were able to show their true worth in improving mankind.

Wasser played a very important role in Jewish life in Lviv from early 1900s until his death in 1941. This fact is mentioned multiple times by the sources provided. These secondary sources meet the Wikipedia source requirements. They are all published, reliable and independent of the subject. The Balaban book on the Tempel Synagogue contains the most extensive references to Wasser. This includes his biographic information and the tribute to him by the Chief Rabbi of the Synagogue. Below I offer a rough English translation of an excerpt from the main reference - The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Diaspora Polish Series (Lwow). It is a well-regarded and invaluable source that documents Jewish life in Lwow that was obliterated by the Holocaust.

Wasser is mentioned multiple times in the series and it is clear he was one of the leaders of the Jewish community in Lwow from the early 1900s until his death in 1941. Here is a translation of part of Chapter 19, Page 247: "For twenty years Dr. Wasser held the difficult and responsible office of chairman of the Temple Management Board, devoting much work and time, money and abilities to this institution and trying to maintain it at the appropriate level. No wonder, then, that his colleagues in the Management Board, and especially those who had been following the pace of his work for years, decided to celebrate the anniversary in a solemn way, perhaps in part to reward the president for his efforts and diligence. At the meeting of the Board on May 12, 1934, in the absence of the president, Eng. Rauch-Berger to the fact that on December 8, 1933, 20 years had passed since Dr. Wasser was first elected president of the Executive Board. The Board unanimously resolved to celebrate this occasion on the second day of Shavuot during the morning service, and it was decided to read the prescribed passages from the Torah donated by Dr. Wasser, and to ask one of the rabbis to give an appropriate speech. It was also decided to make a photo album of the Temple and its officers and hand them over to the jubilarian during the ceremony."

The Lviv Interactive Center of Urban History is playing a critical role in resurrecting the Jewish culture and life prior to the Holocaust in modern day Lviv. The Center has done extensive research and the fact that they have chosen to reference Ozjasz Wasser in the roles he played at the Tempel synagogue and as a well-known lawyer, is evidence that Wasser was an important person in the Lviv Jewish community.

One of the consequences of the Holocaust, in addition to the tragic loss of life, was the total erasure of the Jewish people and community from cities like Lviv. This makes it extremely challenging when it comes to finding sources for documenting the lives of those who perished.

I saw your comments about my latest update and I agree - I will withdraw it.

It would be great if you could assist me in moving the Draft to Livespace.

Thank you for your attention. Didgeridoo2022 (talk) 05:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Bruce Ryan
Hello - I have replied to you on my talk page. Sylvan1971 (talk) 16:54, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Patrick Christys
Could you have a closer look at the references on this article. There are 16 sources in total, and only 4 are what I'd describe as Primary Sources. I'd also say that the notability guidelines are met. Patrick is the focus of many of the linked sources, rather than just a mere mention. Thanks. GlobalEdits00 (talk) 19:14, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @GlobalEdits00 GB News, BBC, TV Zone UK (a press release), Just Giving (written by him/his page) and Twitter are primary sources and some are not independent because they are affiliated with him.  Also, IMDB is not a reliable source (see WP:IMDB) nor is Express UK (see WP:DAILYEXPRESS).  S0091 (talk) 19:23, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Science/math writing on Wikipedia?
Thanks again for your excellent suggestion to contact WT:WIR for help with my PLEXUS article.

The next project I want to work on is on a very different topic: an article about geometric intersections between lines and cylinders. It would be like Line–sphere intersection, but based on this super well-written pre-draft article by Nominal animal. I've tried to contact that editor but no response so far. I'd like to help them convert that into a real article.

Are there communities (“Projects”?) for science/math/geometry topics that might be as helpful as WT:WIR was? BananaSlug (talk) 01:57, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @BananaSlug, Nominal animal has not edited since 2010 and only edited for a very short time. You can check an editor's contributions by using the User contribution link on right side bar under General when you are on their page (the options change depending on what type of page you are on).  You can also enable the Navigation Popups gadget which will give you info about a editor by hovering on their User name when it is linked (like in a pages history or above you linked their name so I was able to hover over it to get info) - go Preferences under the person icon on top right, then Gadgets.   For a project, see WP:WikiProject Mathematics.  You can search for projects at WP:WikiProject though be mindful that many are no longer active but you can tell by how active the talk pages are.  Mathematics is quite active. Also, for general questions about editing Wikipedia, you can ask at the Teahouse.  S0091 (talk) 15:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'd seen Nominal Animal's history and noted the long absence. I found the pre-draft via an answer he/she/they gave in 2016 to a stackoverflow question. I'm not in a hurry to do anything, but I agree that they seem to have gone silent, and are unlikely to respond or collaborate on my proposed Wikipedia article.
 * I think my main concern, before I take any concrete steps, is the propriety of re-using Nominal Animal's public content. If it were an official Draft:Line-cylinder intersection then it would seem fine to continue editing and eventually submit for AfC review. But it is instead on the User page, and I do not want to appear to plagiarize Nominal Animal's work.
 * Do you have advice, or should I take this to the Teahouse? BananaSlug (talk) 17:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @S0091: never mind! As soon as I'd given up on @Nominal Animal I got an email reply from them. They said I was welcome to try again getting an article created. As I suspected, the original attempt was declined for lack of relevant citations, it being “just math” which stood on its own. I will take the old text and try to follow the citation style of other “just math” articles.
 * Again, thanks for your mentoring! BananaSlug (talk) 18:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh wowl! Surprised you got a response.  You can ask for the old draft to be restored at WP:REFUND.  If you start your own using Nominal's work, be sure to attribute it to them in an edit summary (like "copied from User:Nominal animal").  S0091 (talk) 19:14, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Pamela Price
@S0091, I deeply appreciate your detailed feedback about the draft article about Pamela Price. I added information about the Jasper Wu case and specified that the defendants may still face hundreds of years in prison with the option of parole. I added a reference to suppor this. I found an article about the persecutor that left the office, Charly Weissenbach but I was not sure where to add it. Could you try to add it? https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/03/22/courts/alameda-county-district-attorney-pamela-price-prosecutors-resigns-ethical-reasons/

I added that the shooter was 17-year-old in the Converse case and added an article supporting it.

I added the reply from the DA office about the NAACP statement and relative reference.

Do you think it is ready to be submitted for review? IDruben77 (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @IDruben77 Wikipedia does not even describe Ted Bundy as a murderer like you have with the Lamar Converse case nor is that how the juvenile is described by independent sources. Note I only listed a couple examples or so not everything to highlight the overall issues. You are still editorializing to fit a narrative (Price is bad) and it appears you are cherry picking sources.   Please only stick to the object facts as stated in independent sources and sources that are largely what those involved say are not useful so best to use/summarize sources that are not directly involved (pick out what the journalist is independently stating, ignore quotes or things like "according to" or the like).  What is the independent analysis about Price?   The content about the Wu case at this point seems like a nothing burger so not even sure that is worth including (i.e. WP:UNDUE) unless there's more.  I am not familiar with Price so I am going by what you are presenting outside of the quick search I did about Wu.  Please also familiarize yourself with the WP:BLP  and WP:NPOV policies as you are violating both.  S0091 (talk) 19:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @S0091, Thank you for your feedback. I aimed to maintain a neutral tone and adhere to the guidelines. However, if a more experienced editor could enhance the article directly, I would greatly appreciate it. Initially, I focused only on the first part of the article, detailing her biography and explaining her importance. Unfortunately, it was rejected for lacking notability. I believe she meets notability requirements due to holding public office, being the first African American woman in the Alameda County DA office, facing a recall attempt, and garnering attention from national and local organizations. This recall is part of a broader pattern observed among several DAs in California. I expanded the content to showcase media coverage by national and local news outlets but it is perceived as biased. I would be grateful if you could help condense the text while maintaining acceptability.
 * Thanks, IDruben77 (talk) 00:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Pamela Price is an American lawyer and, since January 2023, the District Attorney for Alameda County, California. She is the first African-American Woman to ever serve as Alameda County's DA.[1] She supports progressive legislative reforms and run on police accountability and rehabilitation.[1] She is facing a recall effort.[2][3]
 * Bibliography
 * Price was born in Dayton, Ohio in 1957.[4] She experienced the Ohio juvenile justice and foster care system.[5] She received a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science in 1978 from from Yale University. She received a Juris Doctor from the UC Berkeley School of Law in 1982.[4][6] She worked as defence and civil rights attorney and she started her own firm in 1991 specializing in employment litigation and representing victims of retaliation, wrongful termination, sexual assaults, and discrimination.[6]
 * In 2018, she run for Mayor of Oakland and lost against Libby Schaaf with 13.1% of the votes. In 2018 she also run for the nonpartisan primary for Alameda County District Attorney and lost against Nancy O'Malley with 42.2% of the votes. She run on policy of police accountability. She won the 2022 Alameda County District Attorney election on November 8, 2022 against Terry Wiley with 53.1% of the votes. She is the first Black woman to serve as Alameda County District Attorney and the first person to take the role without having worked in the District Attorney Office. She ran on a platform centered on rehabilitation and addressing instances of police misconduct. She pledged to terminate the utilization of the death penalty, cease the practice of charging individuals under the age of 18 as adults, establish a unit dedicated to ensuring the integrity of convictions, and enhance services for victims of gun violence. She started her tenure in January 2023. IDruben77 (talk) 00:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @IDruben77 I think your recent updates are helpful and notability is established. How about this...resubmit it to get another reviewer's take. S0091 (talk) 18:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @S0091. Thank you. I will resubmit and see what happen. IDruben77 (talk) 22:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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PLEXUS Woo/Tribune ref merge undone
Yesterday I followed your suggestion (re PLEXUS article) to merge the two refs to the 1986 Woo article (“The Perils of Off-Beat Publishing...”) into one ref.

Then Rublamb reverted that change. I agree with you, and the advice on Newspapers.com but am not going to get into a flame war over this.

— BananaSlug (talk) 16:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @BananaSlug Yeah, agree not worth it. I am neutral about the issue so was going by the instructions. S0091 (talk) 18:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Request on 02:48:54, 6 December 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Eniagrom
Hi there, "Culemborg" is a city in the Netherlands, and the "County of Culemborg" was an independent state in the Holy Roman Empire. These are not the same, evidently. The fact that Culemborg the city was at one time contained in the county doesn't mean that we should merge these concepts. Similar reasoning would prevent us from covering a great number of territories in the Holy Roman Empire, which was by its nature a collection of territories and free city states that do not always have easy modern analogs today.

The article in question is a translation from the Dutch Wikipedia (with extra references and some copy-editing). Similar articles exist on both de and fr. In general, coverage of the (incredibly complex) Holy Roman Empire is better on these Wikis because of their historical connection to the state, but to my mind that is not a good reason for en to exclude coverage of the topic.

For example, the County of Culemborg had certain rights within the HRE that allowed it (as a polity) to mint its own currency and maintain its own justice system. This allowed it to disallow entry to Dutch creditors, which gave it a reputation as a place debtors could flee to. Note that this is not the city proper -- the entire county had this character. This gave it a reputation as a haven for con-artistry and law evasion during the middle ages. The Dutch article mine is based on doesn't explore these concepts much, but that article is no more than Start class at best, and having a dedicated article on the county would allow us to explore these and other aspects on en. I mentioned some of this on the draft article talk page.

At some point if we want good coverage of topics we do need articles on those topics. Eniagrom (talk) 02:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Eniagrom (talk) 02:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Eniagrom thanks for explanation. I have reverted my decline and accepted the draft.  S0091 (talk) 14:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for you reconsideration! Eniagrom (talk) 07:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Article draft submission
Why was my article draft for creation at submissions for Adamawa fulfulde rejected? I provided sufficient information on the language and i provided two main sources one of which is reliable on the language. Pulaar had no reliable sources cited when it was first created nor was the source that the information was taken from, was from a reliable source. 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 22:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP, Omniglot is a blog so not a reliable source and should not be used. While Ethnologue is a reliable source, it is not in-depth and multiple reliable sources with in-depth coverage are required to warrant a stand alone article. As for other existing articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.  You are welcome to include it in the main Fula language article using information from Ethnologue.  A redirect can be created so anyone searching it for will be directed there.  S0091 (talk) 14:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Draftification
Hello, S0091,

After you move an article from main space to Draft space and inform the page creator of the move, please tag the main space page for CSD R2 speedy deletion. If you don't use it, I encourage you to try out User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft script. We tag these pages for speedy deletion so we don't have redirects from main space to Draft space or User space. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 23:40, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Please wait
I am in the middle of fixing up the draft. BD2412 T 19:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @BD2412 Oops sorry! Hands off. :) S0091 (talk) 19:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. BD2412  T 20:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of List of Michigan political scandals


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on List of Michigan political scandals requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, images, a rephrasing of the title, a question that should have been asked at the help or reference desks, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Significa liberdade I thought I caught all of these. I screwed up draftifying some articles using a script I had not used before (lesson learned!) but if you find more, please tag them without hesitation and apologies for the trouble.  S0091 (talk) 22:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * So worries! :) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:31, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey I noticed the discussion here and wanted to point out that List of Colorado political scandals is on the mainspace. I've done some copy editing, but I didn't want my name on the revision history to be confused for any endorsement of the article. Feel free to incubate it if you think it's still not ready, my revisions should by no means constitute any active improvement of the article, per WP:DRAFTIFY. Cheers,  microbiology Marcus (petri dish·growths) 17:52, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @MicrobiologyMarcus thanks for the note. There are two I am unable to move because the redirects contain history so require a page mover or admin.  I posted a note at WT:AFC a moment ago where there is an ongoing discussion about these articles.  S0091 (talk) 17:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See that now, I was literally just catching up on the wikiproject talk thread. microbiology Marcus (petri dish·growths) 17:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Removal of external link
Hello, Can you please reconsider the link to my website which used the copy 'Collecting antique typewriters' as my collection of 19th century typewriters contains many rare and historically typewriters. Also my website has many images and copy pertaining to the world's first typewriters. My collection is one of the largest of its kind and is recognized globally as a major collection and source of information. Thank you, Martin Martin Howard (talk) 22:43, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


 * please be aware of our conflict of interest policy regarding promotion of your work, you might also see a list at WP:OTHERLINKS of arguments to avoid when trying to justify inclusion of your work. If you would like to see the link to your project included on the article, please consider disclosing your COI per the guidelines at WP:DISCLOSE and then propose the changes on the article's talk page to gain consensus. Kindly, microbiology Marcus (petri dish·growths) 17:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Recent Draftification of articles
Hello there @S0091! I saw you recently draftified the following articles: List of Arizona political scandals, List of Delaware political scandals & List of Georgia political scandals with a custom reasoning. May I please know what your reasoning was?  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   18:33, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Raydann please see the discussion at WT:AFC. Concerns were raised about WP:BLP and WP:OR so I moved them back to draft at least for the time being.  S0091 (talk) 18:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was unaware of the context. I have moved the remaining two as well.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   18:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Raydann! Also, I do not draftify articles often and this is the first time I used the script (recommended by Liz above) so if there's anything I could do better, let me know.  I did screw up a a handful by not understanding an error so learned one lesson. :) S0091 (talk) 19:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries! Everything is fine. I was just unsure about the reason for draftification that's why I asked. And hey, there's a first time for everything; I'm sure you'll find the move-to-draft script really easy and helpful. Take care!  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   21:19, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Article review request
Hello, sorry to bother you but I recently submitted the article Draft:BasiGo for review under AfC about a week ago. I'm relatively new to creating pages so I'm not sure if this is standard procedure. I was kindly requesting if you could review it as the other article I created took five days to be reviewed and I'm not sure if it should take this long. If this is not standard procedure I sincerely apologize for undertaking any untoward actions by requesting this to your talk page. Thankyou. Serrwinner (talk) 15:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Serrwinner in November there was an AfC backlog drive. When the drive began, AfC had almost 4,000 pending submissions with some over four months old.  Right now there are 402 with an estimated wait time of over a week.  Given reviews have slowed down, it may take three weeks.  S0091 (talk) 15:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft for Borgu Fulfulde
Hi can you check of my draft for Borgu Fulfulde is ready and good to submit. [] 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 22:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP, you need to update the citations with exact page numbers that support the claims made. The best advice I can give is not make reviewers have to dig around themselves to try to find what is coming from where because most likely they will not take the time to do so.  Be very precise with your citations.  See this guide and and this one for how to add appropriately add citations.  If you have questions or need help, you can ask at the Teahouse.  S0091 (talk) 22:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh the pages are that talk about the history of Borgu Fulfulde are from 543 to 551. 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 23:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's the entire source. What is needed is the exact page number that supports, for example the claim that "The presence of Borgu Fulfulde in Benin can be attributed to historical migrations and interactions among the Fula people."  Again, a reviewer is not going read almost 10 pages to figure that out.  Take a look at footnote #3 in Adamawa Fulfulde, which is a source I added.  That source is 31 pages (pp 23- 53) but I only cite pages 28-29 because those are the pages that support "Adamawa Fulfulde was originally brought to Cameroon in the early parts of the 19th century during a religious war".  S0091 (talk) 15:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Article Review Request
Hi! I submitted again the List of Germania Insurance Super Stage performers page, I added a couple of references but one is a press release but it not from the actual venue. I feel that adding sources defeats the purpose of a list because it just stating the performers. Rodrigo1198 (talk) 03:11, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Rodrigo1198 for one, they are needed for verification which is a core Wikipedia policy. So far, you only have sources to support 3 performances so it fails verification.  The other reason is to support notability.  If sources have not written in-depth about the these performances as a group, then it likely does not merit an article. Notability is not inherited so notable artists performing at a venue does not mean the venue itself is notable or the performances are notable.
 * I see a similar list is being discussed at WP:Articles for deletion/List of Germania Insurance Amphitheater performers to determine if it meets the notability criteria and so far it's leaning delete, though the discussion has just started. You need to convince the community such lists meet the criteria and that is done by providing sources that have written in-depth about the importance of the venue and those performances.  S0091 (talk) 15:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rodrigo1198 This Billboard article on page 8, Amp It Up, is a good source for the Amphitheater (when it was initially named Tower Amphitheater). Not quite as good, but this one shows it won an award and these couple bits from the Dallas Observer, here and here.  You want to avoid sources in Austin for notability because they are local but are fine to use for verifiability. S0091 (talk) 16:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * American Institute of Steel Construction IDEAS2 award. S0091 (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have merged that list to Germania Insurance Amphitheater but I want to source the official website of Circuit of the Americas as they are the ones that have the date where it was built. Would it be a good source or not? Rodrigo1198 (talk) 04:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also I think List of Germania Insurance Super Stage performers page and List of Germania Insurance Amphitheater performers should be deleted now that the Germania Insurance Amphitheater page is created. I nominated List of  Germania Insurance Amphitheater performers for deletion. Rodrigo1198 (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Rodrigo1198 I think using the official website is fine for very basic facts like when the amphitheater was built, though I think that is covered in other sources so check if a better source exists first (maybe this one, I no longer have access). Secondary sources are always preferred over primary ones.
 * As for the deletion discussion, I think you have your terminology mixed up. The editor who starts an WP:AFD is the nominator, in this case Significa liberdade.  You participated in the discussion via an WP:!vote, see WP:AFD.  AfDs generally stay open for at least 7 days so it will likely be closed in the next day or two.  S0091 (talk) 18:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

James Clemens High School page
What is the point of posting the relative size of the school to the wiki page? This will always be dynamic and will have to be updated or even deleted. Also, some schools count only 10- 12th grade while others count 9 - 12th in school size. This seems like it is rather pointless.

Thanks, ~TMM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmmhunt (talk • contribs) 23:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Tmmhunt I am assuming you are referencing the infobox but the same could be said for a whole host of information across Wikipedia, such as population data, sports statistics especially for current athletes, rankings, etc. This is also one of the many reasons why Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source. Wikipedia is a work in progress, with missing, dated, or even blatantly incorrect information.  Best practice is it to make the date of the information clear so readers know if the information is current or not, and of course providing a source for verifiability.  For example, James Clemens High School makes it clear the enrollment figures are as of 2020-12.  If there are other important factors, that should be noted that as well.  If you have other questions about to handle information in a school's infobox, the likely best place to ask is at Template:Infobox school's talk page.  S0091 (talk) 17:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * All of that may be true, but the school's relative size is a superfluous fact that is essentially irrelevant when there are numerous more important facts you could be adding. By adding this information, you are merely insuring that someone will have to edit the page again in a year or two when new school data is released and the school's size relative to other schools changes.  Seems totally pointless.  Please consider adding only pertinent information to wikipedia pages and it might add to the value of wikipedia instead of just making the argument that the site is not a reliable source of information.  Be part of the solution, not the problem.  Thanks. Tmmhunt (talk) 03:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tmmhunt I did not add the information and I am sure why you think I did as I have never even edited the article. In fact, I did not know the it existed until you came to my talk page.  If you do not think the information is meaningful, then be bold and remove it.  If someone adds it back, then start a discussion with them to get consensus (read that) which is how decisions are made on Wikipedia. No single editor owns any article and I personally could care less about this particular one. S0091 (talk) 15:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's interesting. The page history shows that "Republic of Selmaria" made this revision on 12/4/2023.  That's you, right?  Or did I somehow click on a different user for feedback?  If that's so, I apologize for the confusion.  And yeah, I understand how Wiki works.  But I thought replying to the person who made the change made sense first.  We've had vandals in the past making changes and when they get fixed they just make another change.  So, if this isn't your edit, I'll address the right person. Tmmhunt (talk) 19:48, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Umm...look at my signature in addition to scrolling up to the top of the page where it says User talk:S0091. Nope, I am not them. :) If your issue was the edits made by Republic of Selmaria another editor, Theroadislong, just reverted them so maybe problem solved? S0091 (talk) 20:06, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Add @Tmmhunt ping. S0091 (talk) 20:07, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Jon Hamm page
I suggest you read the suggested reading so that you will know how it relates to Jon Hamm 2600:1700:F00:4140:198:BB94:6743:C5F9 (talk) 14:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I suggest you read WP:NOBLOGS. Personal blogs are not appropriate and is considered spam, not to mention So here's a shout-out to my new BFF's Jon Hamm and DJ adds nothing to one's understanding about Hamm or his life.  Its about a person who simply met him like thousands of others. S0091 (talk) 14:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove an appropriate edit to a wikipedia page. 2600:1700:F00:4140:198:BB94:6743:C5F9 (talk) 14:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Borgu, Nigerian, and Central Eastern Niger Fulfulde drafts
Hi can you review my drafts for Borgu, Nigerian and Central Eastern Fulfulde and see if they are ready to be accepted as articles. [] [] [] 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 06:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Did you check it? Are you busy? 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 16:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi IP, I do not do reviews by request so if you want them reviewed, submit them. Also see my note above about including the relevant page numbers in sources. S0091 (talk) 16:50, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * For the Nigerian and Central Eastern Niger Fulfulde can you help by filling in the urls. It's the third and fourth links. 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 13:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There's a tool available to those who have accounts called ReFill that will automatically fill in some of the citation fields which is what I and others use. I just it ran on Draft:Central-Eastern Niger Fulfulde but another editor had already ran it on Draft:Nigerian Fulfulde so the citations are already expanded with as much as tool can do.  Any additional expansion will need to be done manually.
 * I suggest using Visual editing instead of Source editing. When you are in the edit window, there's a pencil icon at the right next to Preview which gives you the option to change which editor you use.  Select Visual and there will options across the top with one that will say Cite (or the double quote icon...it changes, but its next to the link icon).  Select that which will launch a box.  The default is "Automatic".  Just paste the URL, click Generate, then Insert and will cite it and format it.  It works for most websites, Google Books and JSTOR urls but do double check it cited the right source.  If it does not work, you can select Manual then select the most appropriate template (Website, Book, etc.) then fill out the appropriate fields manually.
 * You can switch between editors as needed. S0091 (talk) 15:53, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Checking my citation for draft
Hi can you check my citation for my draft [] and see if it is the correct way of citing the book. 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 20:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft: MetroPlusHealth
Hello, thank you for reviewing my original submission for this topic. I have resubmitted a new draft. This version addresses your reasons for not accepting the original submission.

Specifically, I have removed non-independent sources like press releases and links to the organization's own website. I have added information from sources including The New York Times, Reuters, and CNN. They are independent of the source.

Local news articles and information from official government websites are also included. I have also removed words and phrases that could be interpreted as "peacock terms" to ensure a neutral tone.

Thank you again for reviewing. The feedback is extremely helpful. Thinkingcreatively (talk) 20:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi there, @S0091. Thanks for re-reviewing my submission. I will remove the New York Post and Forbes articles. But, before I resubmit, would you be able to offer some advice about the sources you're looking for? Specifically:
 * Outside of NYC sources question 1: You mentioned that it would be good to provide sources that are outside of NYC. Would the The New York Times still be acceptable? It's an internationally-recognized publication cited throughout Wikipedia that happens to be in NYC. One of the NYT articles that's cited in this latest draft mentions MetroPlusHealth throughout the article (much more than 200 words' worth). Here it is for reference.
 * Outside of NYC sources question 2: I have some clarification on the existing non-NYC sources (Reuters, CNN) that are on the latest version: the articles from these sources mention NYC Care, which is a part of MetroPlusHealth. It is a specific plan that MPH works to provide through NYC Health + Hospitals and the NYC Government. I realize it's a bit confusing (like everything related to insurance), but these are in-depth articles regarding coverage that only MetroPlusHealth offers—although MetroPlusHealth itself is not mentioned in the articles. Is it okay to use these non-NYC, independent sources in the article? Would it be less confusing if I cite a mention of MetroPlusHealth offering NYC Care first, then use these other sources after that clarification?
 * Thanks so much! Really appreciate it your help. Thinkingcreatively (talk) 20:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Thinkingcreatively first apologies for not answering your initial query. I must have either missed it or saw it then went on to other things and forgot.  As for NYT, you ask a great question and one that causes great debate among editors regarding large newspapers that also cover local news (other U.S. examples are LA Times, Chicago Times, etc.) so please take what I say with caution as other editors may disagree and is my personal opinion.  In this specific instance, I would count as it regional coverage meaning broader than NYC because it is in the New York section, which looking at today's coverage appears to also cover state wide news (see WP:AUD for the language in the notability criteria).  For the others, yes, I think you do need to tie NYC Care to MetroPlus.  With that, what I suggest is mainly using those three sources, summarizing what they independently state (not using anything coming from MetroPlus representatives or their website/publications or other primary sources).  After doing that, which will likely lead to a very short article but that's ok, use a couple or so local news sources to fill in critical gaps (very basic things that for whatever reason were not covered in the "main" sources).  You will likely still have a short article but one without "fluff" and likely with only one section or even perhaps none (but again that's ok).  S0091 (talk) 21:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @S0091 no apologies necessary. This is just one article out of many that you're helping with. Stuff happens. I have totally been there.
 * The information about tying NYC Care to MetroPlusHealth is extremely helpful. I'll add that in!
 * Do I need to get rid of all regional sources, meaning all information (like the Social Determinants of Health information not covered by Newsweek, Cheddar, etc.) needs to go? Is there a certain amount of international/national-level sources that would balance out using regional sources?
 * Here's why I'm asking: MetroPlusHealth is owned by a government-affiliated organization, NYC Health + Hospitals. A lot of pages related to NYC government use both regional news and state government sites as citations (Regional sources cited in these Wikipedia articles include: amNY, NY1, Brooklyn Eagle, nyc.gov; State sources cited include: NY State Senate, NY State Department of Education). These citations can be found on pages like Mayor of New York City, New York City Department of Transportation, New York City Housing Authority, just to name a few.
 * I know that it's hard to compare existing pages to drafts looking for approval, but I get a little confused about what's acceptable and what's not for this particular topic.
 * Thanks again for your help. I say it every time, and I mean it every time! Thinkingcreatively (talk) 22:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Cheddar does not appear to be a reliable source (no evidence of editorial oversight, etc.). Given MetroHealth is government-affiliated, government sources, including interviews/their statements, are not only primary they are not independent so should be avoided. I cannot comment on their use in other articles as their use may or may not be appropriate (WP:CONTEXTMATTERS).  For example, using a government source to support the entity's budget is appropriate but using a government source to support the success or aims of one of their initiatives is not, at least without additional independent analysis by secondary sources (and looking at Mayor of New York City, it is a poor article for various reasons).  You also want to avoid trade publications like Health Care IT News as they are at best weak sources because they generally exist to promote an industry and do not use sources that do not have a by-line with a named author.  Honestly, I would remove the Social Determinants of Health Initiatives and the COVID-19 Initiatives sections because they are poorly sourced and are promotional.  Anything covered by reputable secondary sources can be rolled under History. S0091 (talk) 17:14, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @S0091 thanks for this thoughtful response. I will start making edits accordingly. Thinkingcreatively (talk) 16:03, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:Matt Weinhold
I'm finding (and have added) multiple full length articles on Weinhold and his comedy from over the years, so I'm not understanding the comment you left back in October regarding not finding anything. Silver seren C 22:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Silver seren I didn't say I could not find any source; I said it was grasping at straws and if you look at the history and the talk page, I did find some sources which I added.  It's been a while so I am going by memory but what I recall is finding sources with blurbs (a couple sentences or so), trivial mentions or sources that were largely interviews.  If you are finding enough to meet notability, I of course have no issue with you moving it to mainspace.  S0091 (talk) 14:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 23
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 * ...and many more, all available at User scripts/Requests

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 * Aaron Liu: Watchlyst Greybar Unsin is a rewrite of Ais's Watchlist Notifier with modern APIs and several new features such as not displaying watchlist items marked as seen (hence the name), not bolding diffs of unseen watchlist elements which doesn’t work properly anyways, displaying the rendered edit summary, proper display of log and creation actions and more links.
 * Alexis Jazz: Factotum is a spiritual successor to reply-link with a host of extra features like section adding, link rewriting, regular expressions and more.
 * User:Aveaoz/AutoMobileRedirect: This script will automatically redirect MobileFrontend (en.m.wikipedia) to normal Wikipedia. Unlike existing scripts, this one will actually check if your browser is mobile or not through its secret agent string, so you can stay logged in on mobile! Hooray screen estate!
 * Chlod:
 * Deputy is a first-of-its-kind copyright cleanup toolkit. It overrides the interface for Contributor copyright investigations for easy case processing. It also includes the functionality of the following (also new) scripts:
 * Attribution Notice Template Editor (ANTE) graphically modifies content attribution notices. It is the successor to User:Chlod/Scripts/CopiedTemplateEditor and supports more templates than copied ones.
 * Infringement Assistant allows a user to hide sections of a page for suspected copyright violations and report the page to the appropriate Copyright problems noticeboard.
 * User:Elominius/gadget/diff arrow keys allows navigation between diffs with the arrow keys. It also has a version that requires holding Ctrl with the arrow key.
 * Enterprisey
 * diff-permalink-2 allows quickly copying wikilinks to diff and permalink pages from those pages, a variation of existing script User:Enterprisey/diff-permalink
 * archiver is a fork of Σ's Archiver with several bugfixes.
 * /parent-cats highlights categories that are a subcategory of a category already included in a page's categories.
 * User:Guarapiranga/accessKeysCheatSheet adds an access key shortcut to display all shortcuts based on code provided by Nardog and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh.
 * User:HungKhanh0106/ProperDisplay loads a bunch of fonts to add correct rendering supports for "esoteric" languages.
 * User:Jeeputer/highlightPiped will make piped links irresistible (or else).
 * User:Jerome Frank Disciple/curlyfixer.js adds an WP:AutoEd function that straightens curly quotes per MOS. That's right! Such a module was only made in the 14th year of AutoEd's existence! Configure away!
 * Frequently link to Wikipedia on your websites yet find generating CC-BY credits to be such a hassle? Say no more! User:Luke10.27/attribute will automatically do it for ya and copy the credit to yer clipboard.
 * User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft, a spiritual successor (i.e. fork) to Evad37's script, with a few bugs solved, and a host of extra features like check-boxes for choosing draftification reasons, multi-contributor notification, and appropriate warnings based on last edit time.
 * Nardog
 * /CopyCodeBlock: one of the most important operations for any scripter and script-user is to copy and paste. This script adds a copy button in the top right of every code block (not to be confused with ) that will, well, copy it to your clipboard!
 * /RCMuter: Hide specific users, perhaps User:MediaWiki message delivery, from the Watchlist and Recent Changes.
 * /VitalTopicon makes you see the vital article topicon on WP:vital articles.
 * m:User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh/AceForLuaDebugConsole.js adds the Ace editor (a.k.a. the editor you see when editing JS, CSS and Lua on Wikimedia wikis) to the Lua debug console. "In my opinion, whoever designed it to be a plain needs to seriously reconsider their decision."
 * Novem Linguae
 * DraftCleaner fixes formatting of new articles.
 * GANReviewTool quickly and easily closes good article nominations.
 * ReviewStatus displays whether or not a mainspace page is marked as reviewed.
 * SpeciesHelper tries to add the correct speciesbox, category, taxonbar, and stub template to species articles.
 * User:Opencooper/svgReplace and Tol's fork replaces all rasterized SVGs with their original SVG codes for your loading pleasures. Tell us which one is better!
 * User:Phlsph7/HighlightUnreferencedPassages adds a button to highlight all unreferenced paragraphs in reds, and can even do it automatically.
 * Still hate Vector 2022's floating TOC? User:Phlsph7/UnfoldedNumberedTOC(Vector2022) might make you give it a try.
 * Quite a bit of pages at Special:WantedCategories either exist now or got removed. User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/hideUnwantedCategories automatically hides those.
 * User:SuperHamster's Tools/View it! generates a gallery of images for a given subject on any Wikimedia project utilizing Structured Data on Commons. Images can then be added as needed.
 * Terasail
 * ArticleInfo displays page information at the top of the page, directly below the title.
 * /HeaderIcons takes away the Vector 2022 user dropdown and replaces it with all of the icons within, top level, right next to the Watchlist. One less click away! There's also an alternate version that uses text links instead of icons.
 * ...and any more, all available at WP:US/L.

Due to budget and procrastination limitations, we've only had time to review the first ~39% of the scripts since last issue. Help us out here! <span style="color: rgb(6,69,173); text-decoration: inherit;">Aaron Liu (talk) 13:24, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

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Unverifiable statement on Tragedy of the Commons
Recently you reverted two edits I made to Tragedy of the commons - I agree with the decision to remove the second edit, but the first edit I made was a rephrasing of the existing sentence "Given the current system of rule of law, the solution of giving a legal right to nature at large (from object to subject) could be a game changer" so that it uses unbiased language. I believe it's very evident that this statement is unverifiable, as it speculates that a specific legal proposition could be "a game changer", which is clearly biased and non-neutral language on an otherwise factual page. I request that you reconsider reverting that change, which simply rewrote that statement so that it makes no claims about the possible efficacy of that legal proposition. Thank you for your patience. Accurate Puppy (talk) 21:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Accurate Puppy a reasonable request so I have restored the first edit. The tool (aka gadget) I used, WP:Twinkle, reverts all consecutive edits made by an editor so I likely did not review them separately, which was an error on my part.  S0091 (talk) 21:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)