User talk:SJCCNOV11

Speedy deletion nomination of Surbana Jurong Private Limited
Hello SJCCNOV11,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Surbana Jurong Private Limited for deletion, because it seems to be promotional, rather than an encyclopedia article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. schetm (talk) 07:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

ok will edit accordingly

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, SJCCNOV11. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about in the article Surbana Jurong Private Limited, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your family, friends, school, company, club, or organization, as well as any competing companies' projects or products;
 * instead, you are encouraged to propose changes on the Talk pages of affected article(s) (see the request edit template);
 * when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or to the website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. Lemongirl942 (talk) 02:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Comments and discussion
Hi SJCCNOV11. I have provided you a COI notice above. Please go through it. COI on Wikipedia is handled in 2 ways - disclosure and peer review. I can walk you through the steps. For the first step, would you please disclose if you are related to Surbana Jurong Private Limited in any way? Thank you. You can reply here. Please indent your comments by adding a ":" before you comment and sign your posts by adding ~ to the end --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:08, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes i am from Surbana Jurong. Just curious, is there any issue with this? Was tasked by my management to create a page on Wikipedia for Surbana Jurong, as they saw many companies doing so as well. SJCCNOV11 (talk) 03:36, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for disclosing. Now, before we move forward, let me just clarify 2 important things in general for Wikipedia discussions. In Wikipedia we indent posts in discussion by adding a : (without quotes). You can read this WP:THREAD for a quick understanding. The second important thing is signing your posts. We do it by adding ~ to the end of our sentence (See WP:TILDE). Once you have read this, please reply below, indent your post and sign it. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:38, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Got it SJCCNOV11 (talk) 03:39, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Great! We just add one extra : to the next line. OK, back to COI. So to clarify, you are working for Surbana Jurong as a regular employee/PR manager? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:44, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

One you have clarified the above, to finish the disclosure piece, would you please add the disclosure to your user page (which is User:SJCCNOV11 - a redlink, because you haven't written anything there yet). Just something simple like: "I work for and have been paid by Surbana Jurong and have a conflict of interest with regard to that topic" would be fine. If you want to add anything else there that is relevant to what you want to do in WP feel free to add it, but please don't add anything promotional about the company (see WP:USERPAGE for guidance if you like).

I will add a tag to the Draft:Surbana Jurong Private Limited article's talk page, so the disclosure will be done there as well. Once you disclose on your user page, the disclosure piece of this will be done.

As I noted above, there are two pieces to COI management in WP. The first is disclosure. The second is a form of peer review. This piece may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense. In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and voilà there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done. No intermediary - no publisher, no "editors" as that term is used in the real world. So the bias that conflicted editors tend to have, can go right into the article. Conflicted editors are also really driven to try to make the article fit with their external interest. If they edit directly, this often leads to big battles with other editors.

What we ask editors to do who have a COI and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is:

a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft through the WP:AFC process, disclose your COI on the Talk page, and then submit the draft article for review (the AfC process sets up a nice big button for you to click when it is ready) so it can be reviewed before it publishes; (I have already moved it to Draft:Surbana Jurong Private Limited for you) and

b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself. You can make the edit request easily -  and provide notice to the community of your request -  by using the "edit request" function as described in the conflict of interest guideline.  I made that easy for you by adding a section to the beige box at the top of the Talk page at Talk:X -  there is a link at "click here" in that section --  if you click that, the Wikipedia software will automatically format a section in which you can make your request.

By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected. We get some great contributions that way, when conflicted editors take the time to understand what kinds of proposals are OK under the content policies. (which I will say more about, if you want).

I hope that makes sense to you.

I want to add here that per the WP:COI guideline, if you want to directly update simple, uncontroversial facts (for example, correcting the facts about where the company has offices) you can do that directly in the article, without making an edit request on the Talk page. Just be sure to always cite a reliable source for the information you change, and make sure it is simple, factual, uncontroversial content.

Will you please agree to follow the peer review processes going forward, when you want to work on the Draft:Surbana Jurong Private Limited article or any article where your COI is relevant? Do let me know, and if anything above doesn't make sense I would be happy to discuss. And if you want me to quickly go over the content policies, I can do that. Just let me know. Thanks! --Lemongirl942 (talk) 04:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have added the "I work for and have been paid by Surbana Jurong and have a conflict of interest with regard to that topic" in the talk page. Hope that is the correct place to input it. With regards to (b), I can't find the "click here" link. Also need detailed steps on how to publish this Draft:Surbana Jurong Private Limited page without infringing the COI guidelines. Need your advise pls, and thanks so much for your detailed explaination!  SJCCNOV11 (talk) 06:00, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Actually, that should also be added to your user page. If you don't mind I will fix it for you now. Meanwhile, I suggest you work on the draft - it is perfectly fine to edit the "draft version" yourself. You need to make it more like an encyclopaedia article rather than a company profile. For example Juniper Networks is a good article. I will explain more below in a separate section. You need to add reliable, independent, third party references - like Straits Times reports etc. That is how we check facts in the article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:38, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

A bit about editing on Wikipedia
Here's a bit more about Wikipedia:

The first thing, is that our mission is to produce articles that provide readers with encyclopedia content that summarize accepted knowledge, and to do that as a community that anyone can be a part of. That's the mission. As you can imagine, if this place had no norms, it would be a Mad Max kind of world interpersonally, and content would be a slag heap (the quality is really bad in parts, despite our best efforts). But over the past 15 years the community has developed a whole slew of norms, via lots of discussion. One of the first, is that we decide things by consensus. That decision itself, is recorded here: WP:CONSENSUS, which is one of our "policies". And when we decide things by consensus, that is not just local in space and time, but includes meta-discussions that have happened in the past. The results of those past meta-discussions are the norms that we follow now. We call them policies and guidelines - and these documents all reside in "Wikipedia space" (There is a whole forest of documents in "Wikipedia space" - pages in Wikipedia that start with " Wikipedia: AAAA" or for short, " WP: AAAA". WP:CONSENSUS is different from Consensus.)

People have tried to define Wikipedia - is it a democracy, an anarchy, secret cabal? In fact it is a clue-ocracy (that link is to a very short and important text).

There are policies and guidelines that govern content, and separate ones that govern behavior. Here is a very quick rundown:


 * Content policies and guidelines:
 * WP:NOT (what WP is, and is not -- this is where you'll find the "accepted knowledge" thing. You will also find discussion of how WP is not a catalog, not a how-to manual, not a vehicle for promotion, etc)
 * WP:OR - no original research is allowed here, instead
 * WP:VERIFY - everything has to be cited to a reliable source (so everything in WP comes down to the sources you bring!)
 * WP:RS is the guideline defining what a "reliable source" is for general content and WP:MEDRS defines what reliable sourcing is for content about health
 * WP:NPOV and the content that gets written, needs to be "neutral" (as we define that here, which doesn't mean what most folks think -- it doesn't mean "fair and balanced" - it means that the language has to be neutral, and that topics in a given article are given appropriate "weight" (space and emphasis). An article about a drug that was 90% about side effects, would generally give what we call "undue weight" to the side effects. Of course if that drug was important because it killed a lot of people, not having 90% of it be about the side effects would not be neutral)    We determine weight by seeing what the reliable sources say - we follow them in this too.  So again, you can see how everything comes down to references.
 * WP:BLP - this is a policy specifically covering discussion about living people anywhere in WP. We are very careful about such content (which means enforcing the policies and guidelines above rigorously), since issues of legal liability can arise for WP, and people have very strong feelings about other people, and about public descriptions of themselves.
 * WP:NOTABILITY - this is a policy that defines whether or not an article about X, should exist. What this comes down to is defined in WP:Golden rule - which is basically, are there enough independent sources about X, with which to build a decent article.
 * WP:DELETION discusses how we get rid of articles that fail notability.

When you create an article, here is what to do. There you go! Let me know if you have questions about any of that
 * 1) look for independent that comply with WP:RS and also that give serious discussion to the topic, not just passing mentions. Start with great sources.
 * 2) Look at the sources you found, and see if you have enough per WP:Golden rule to even go forward.  If you don't, you can stop right there.
 * 3) Read the sources you found, and identify the main and minor themes to guide you with regard to WP:WEIGHT - be wary of distortions in weight due to WP:RECENTISM
 * 4) Go look at manual of style guideline created by the relevant WikiProject, to guide the sectioning and other style matters (you can look at articles on similar topics but be ginger b/c WP has lots of bad content)  - create an outline. (For example, for biographies, the relevant project is WP:WikiProject Biography) (For example, for companies, the relevant project is WikiProject_Companies/Guidelines)
 * 5) Create the article following the process described at articles for creation for your first few articles.
 * 6) Start writing the body, based only on what is in the sources you have, and provide an inline citation for each sentence as you go.
 * 7) Make sure you write in neutral language.  The most rigorous way to do this is to use no adjectives at your first  go-round and add them back only as needed.
 * 8) When you are done, write the lead and add infobox, external links, categories, etc
 * 9) Consider adding banners to the Talk page, joining the draft article to relevant Wikiprojects, which will help attract editors who are interested and knowledgeable to help work on the article. If you have a COI for the article, note it there.
 * 10) The completed work should have nothing unsourced (because the sources drove everything you wrote, not prior knowledge or personal experiences or what the client wanted; there is no original research nor WP:PROMO in it.
 * 11) Submit your article for review by clicking the "submit your draft" button that was set up when you created the article.  You will get responses from reviewers, and you can work with them to do whatever is needed to get the article ready to be published.

Again that was a lot, but the goal is to get you somewhat oriented. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:42, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Got to take some time to digest all of these.. Thanks for the reference page. It will be useful to me when editing the page SJCCNOV11 (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Have edited and sent for review. Hopefully everything goes well... TBH I don't remember it being so hard to put up an article on Wikipedia SJCCNOV11 (talk) 09:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I created the new page on Surbana Jurong. Your draft unfortunately was a copyright violation and we take it seriously on Wikipedia. Now that the article is "live" you should only suggest changes on the talk page and a volunteer can peer review and decide what changes to put in. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:53, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Lemongirl! I have included the updated information on the talk page. SJCCNOV11 (talk) 07:40, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Surbana Jurong Private Limited (August 23)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by MRD2014 was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Surbana Jurong Private Limited and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Surbana_Jurong_Private_Limited Articles for creation help desk] or on the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MRD2014&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Surbana_Jurong_Private_Limited reviewer's talk page].
 * You can also use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

— MRD2014 ( talk ) ( contribs ) 15:59, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Surbana Jurong Private Limited


Hello, SJCCNOV11. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Surbana Jurong Private Limited".

In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the  or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. 1989 04:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)