User talk:SL93/Archive 1

Inappropriate AfD closure
Your closure of Articles for deletion/Betty Currie was not in comformity with any of the "speedy keep" criteria at WP:SK; I've accordingly initiated a thread about it at WP:ANI. Please don't do this again. Deor (talk) 01:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And I thought that was a time for IAR. Iowateen (talk) 01:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Your closure of the AfD appears to be in entirely good faith, and I personally think this article should be retained. However it doesn't appear to meet the speedy keep criteria, and on reflection I've reopened the AfD for the reasons I gave at ANI. This is just to let you know I've done that, and to make clear this is not a suggestion that anyone acted in bad faith or a criticism of anyone involved. Past experience has shown BLP1E may apply even where there are plenty of sources (see this AfD for example). It may not apply to Bettie Currie but its a valid argument for the community to consider. If the AfD is not disruptive, consensus is not immediately apparent and the SK criteria aren't met, the discussion should generally be allowed to run its course.


 * Feel free to disagree with me, either here or on my talk page :) Euryalus (talk) 03:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Whats up joe
whats up thinks for approving the hitclips article its a real product and its still used

Undid CSD for Ed, Edd, n Eddy's Big Picture Show
Hi. Noted you undid my placement of the db-hoax tag. In the future, if you remove a WP:CSD tag, please make sure you give a reason, lest it be replaced promptly and/or seen as vandalism. Thank you. -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 02:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point on the vandalism thing. =) Still, would help to leave a note in the comment box. -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 15:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

input requested...
You are invited to revisit Sean Power (actor) to see if the concerns you raised at Articles for deletion/Sean Power (actor) have been adequately addressed. Thank you,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

The Collective (2008 film)
In looking at this page diff, I note the number of festivals and awards, so I have places in which to look for notability and I appreciate your faith in that notability may be shown... but how could anyone have thought unreleased?? Adding sources as I go and still working...  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 04:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Made the cover of Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Multiple awards at multiple festivals. Edging toward a weak keep?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Menudo
Do you truly think it should be deleted versus merged? Let me know if you change to merge after seeing the VHS tape page and these links:


 * All Music Guide Listing
 * Record Label page
 * Film Baby
 * Official Discogs Page

--Dymo400 (talk) 06:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks --Dymo400 (talk) 06:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Monsters Inside Me
The Summary and Reception paragraphs do not sound 'encyclopediac'.

You might want to refer to Manual of Style - Television - actually, on second thoughts, I'll do a bit of work on it... I've got a couple of info that can be added to it. I'll be back later...  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 21:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've done a bit of rewriting on the article, and added an episode list. As Kyle McCabe is not a well-known person (he has no article on Wikipedia), I've not mentioned him at the top of the page (he's listed in the infobox and in the episode guide). I've not put full details about who said what in what review - firstly, none of the reviewers have an article on wikipedia, secondly who wrote them is in the references section! Hope you like what I've done... it's not perfect, but I'm not planning on doing much else to it... I'm not in the US, and haven't seen the program - I'll leave it to someone who has seen it to put more details, etc. Regards, Steve  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 22:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * As you will have seen on the help desk, I'll leave it to some other editor to decide what is needed. You are biased in your own favour, as you created the article. I am biased in my favour, as I edited it! A third party will look at objectively, and come up with a solution which both of us will be happy with. Seriously, this isn't a big issue for me - if they decide that your wording etc is best, I'll be happy with that! Happy editing :D  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 22:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Definition of Forum Shopping
Have a look at WP:FORUMSHOP for an easy definition. It would also be good for you to know that many of the same Admins at WP:UAA are also at WP:ANI, and if they disagreed in UAA, then they'll disagree louder in ANI. Also, if you read the heading of ANI, you'll note that it's for items that require immediate Admin attention - but as always, based on the desires of the community. As such, non-admins do reply as the voice of the community - they obviously cannot take action. I think the rest of the argument about the specific usernames have been covered, but as it appeared you got a little bitten, I thought I would give a more gentle reply. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 10:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Zack Klein
Hello Joe. Do you really think this is a ? I think is a more appropriate tag. Try to look at WP:Field guide to proper speedy deletion, please. Thanks. --Vejvančický (talk) 13:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The article was deleted as WP:A7 (a not notable person), not as WP:A3 (pure vandalism). Not all hoaxes are pure vandalism. Another helpful page is here: User:SoWhy/Ten Commandments for Speedy Deletion. Have a good day, Joe. --Vejvančický (talk) 16:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note to anyone that reads this: Why does that even matter? Joe Chill (talk) 20:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Patrolling pages
Hello fellow new page patroller! I've seen your tagging of several articles for CSD, but you haven't been marking them as patrolled, which is in the form of a link at the bottom of the page. This saves other users time to patrol other pages. Thanks for your help!  [mad pierrot] [t   c]  22:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Joe. Per the above, please mark the pages you've tagged for CSD as patrolled. Alternatively, you can use tools like Twinkle, which automatically does the marking for you. Thanks. Tim Song (talk) 09:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for feedback: -graphy
You voted to delete this article. I need your input on how to fix the article...

I noticed this article is actually a list (in fact, a glossary), so I've been doing some work on it.

I've renamed it to Glossary of graphies, have cleaned it up a bit, and have added it to Portal:Contents/List of glossaries.

I've posted my rationale to its AfD.

Please let me know at the AfD if anything else needs to be done to the article in order for it to serve justifiable purposes of the encyclopedia.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 23:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Question 1
I realized that I left half an answer on question one, so I went ahead and fixed it. Sorry about that. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Safeberg
Ok, I'll bite -- what does it violate again? :-)--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Safeberg will launch in September 09 and become more relevant. Please review later. Havanafreestone (talk) 15:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Game of Banking
Sorry, my third edit seems to have been incorrect. Do you need to strike your strike, or was I convincing enough anyway? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

joshbutcher.com
User:Joshbutcher was blocked as a spam-only account. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Creation of Underdog to Wonderdog page
Hey, I just wanted to come by and say thanks for creating the Underdog to Wonderdog page. I was going to, but wasn't sure of how to start it out. :) Mokoniki (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)Mokoniki

AFD for Liberty County Airport
Thanks for notifying me about Articles for deletion/Liberty County Airport. I added a third airport to the Liberty County Airport disambiguation page and created a new article for the red link. That should resolve the issues mentioned in the AFD. -- Zyxw (talk) 05:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Describing someone as a truther
Would you be able to explain why you feel my comment saying that someone is a truther is a personal attack? Thanks, Andjam (talk) 07:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Trans (film)
Besides shortening the plot summary section, are there any other ideas you have on how to improve this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timothyapetty (talk • contribs) 15:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Poop and other problems.
Joe, I often argue for deletion of stuff that does not belong in an encyclopedia. On the other hand, sometimes, I find references that show the subject is notable, and !vote to keep the article. When you really want this project to be an excellent encyclopedia, it is easy to become ego-involved and to take it as a personal affront if the discussion seems to be heading toward the wrong outcome, and then there is likely to be an escalation of shrillness, and a need to argue with each opposing vote or comment, which puts off other editors. Sometimes the answer is just to step away for a few hours and do something rewarding or productive in the real world. If an argument has been made once in a thread, it is counterproductive to make it again. When someone demands apologies for non-blatant perceived slights, it just comes across as weak. It is always better if a different editor calls out someone abusing WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA or WP:AGF. I have found that "Choose your battles" is a useful philosophy. If a crummy article gets kept, someone will put it up for deletion again in a few months, or if a possibly notable subject gets deleted, an improved article sparkling with inline references to reliable and independent sources might just get kept. Regards. Edison (talk) 03:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah. yes. you previous history as an editor of a different username who likes to refer to "poop," per your User page . Edison (talk) 03:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it was unfair for other editors to say you were attracted to poop. However your edits have often been unhelpful. Edison makes a lot of sense! May I suggest that instead of spending your time deleting articles that you work at improving articles. All the best - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:20, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In AFD, I !vote keep, delete, merge, or redirect. I have also been creating articles. The only times that I would say that my editing was unhelpful was in the television schedules AFDs and dealing with Michig. Joe Chill (talk) 14:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Point taken. As far as I am concerned everthing is resolved. Happy Editing...Ret.Prof (talk) 14:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Liz Braswell
I've added an 'underconstruction' to the new article you just started. You have it titled Liz Braswell but the first line talks about Celia Thomson. I'm assuming that you have cut and pasted and that you are still working on it, so I'll check back in a few days and see where you're at before I assess it. Sabiona (talk) 20:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, sounds good. I've assessed it as Stub and Low. You can remove the underconstruction if you're done with it, or it will disappear on its own after a few days. Thanks, Sabiona (talk) 20:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello Joe
I saw your WP:Article Rescue Squadron barnstar on ThaddeusB's page. I have never seen you before, just wanted to introduce myself. I have been an editor since late 2005. Working a lot on the ARS now. I hope we see each other again soon. Ikip (talk) 18:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of The Incredibles characters
No hard feelings either way on my end. Though the consensus for keeping looks robust, there are also lots of good ideas for improvement. I actually agree that the article is marginal in several ways, but I don't see that deleting or merging it would be a net benefit to the encyclopedia. Eluchil404 (talk) 06:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article for deletion/OpenFlyers
Sorry not to reply sooner to your proposal of OpenFlyers deletion. But, I don't understand why there is a lake of coverage. What do you mean? not enough informations on the page? --Claratte (talk) 12:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note to anyone reading this: It was a prod and not an AFD. Joe Chill (talk) 00:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Motor control in humans
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ad: AFD on The Sin and Doom of Godless Men
Hi, I think you inadvertantly prefixed my "merge" vote with a "Delete" here. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Neila (film)
Did you find out that this was based upon me and my working with Sony animators? If so, nice research. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 05:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from How to Draw Dinosaurs
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Proposed deletion of Vietson
Really should have been a speedy delete. Eeekster (talk) 01:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey Joe
Do you have a link to the negative comments and any conversations connected to them? Was it under this name or your previous one? Incidentally, I think it's great that we have a young editor prepared to a)contribute and b)take advice from others (as I can see you do from this talk page :-) Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 13:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Bermuda Stollers/Ted Ming Speedy Deletion
You've marked both these articles for speedy deletion. Information is not readily available about this band or their founder (hence why it's important for them to have an article in an encyclopedia). I am currently doing research on the group and will be adding as I come across more info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eypcrew2 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leandro da Silva (footballer born 1989)
You may be interested in Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Regards, GiantSnowman 18:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

re: AfD close
I have undone this close, as an AfD can't be closed as "withdrawn" while valid delete !votes stand. That is the say, the nominator withdrawing doesn't override the other delete vote. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Sony BDP-S1 has been saved. I think their has been some trout slapping in the AFD, so the article will not go up for deletion again [at least this month] :) Ikip (talk) 02:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: Articles for deletion/Geri X
Hello again Joe. It looks like your Sony article will be saved :)

Would you considering userfying the article which you put up for deletion? The will delete it from main space completely and move it to a subpage of the creators.

The editor is a new editor, and this will give the new user a chance to rework this article and maybe wikipedia will get a longterm dedicated editor

Please let me know as soon as possible, because as soon as someone else comments on the AfD, they must agree also before I can userfy the article. Thanks for your time.Ikip (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * From user:ikip
 * I don't think that is a good choice when the editor's only two edits were to the article in March. I really doubt that the user would come back because I have no reason to believe that the user will. Joe Chill (talk) 17:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * But she is so gorgeous :). Thank you for considering my request, happy editing. Ikip (talk) 17:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

How about Cmdbuild and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meneghelli? :) Maybe I could redirect it to CMDB? Let me know, thanks. Ikip (talk) 18:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to consider my request. I appreciate your time. :) Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. Ikip (talk) 20:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the barnstar. Joe Chill (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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I am pleasantly surprised that you decided to join Mr. Chill, but I am very happy to see you have joined us. Again, if you have any question or concerns, please let me know. Ikip (talk) 20:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I seem to surprise many editors with my opinions. Joe Chill (talk) 20:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Attempt to close early


We will see what happens. Thanks for bringing this to the squadron's attention. Ikip (talk) 01:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)