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Huggle
I saw you used reverted edits in WP:Sandbox. Please set huggle so that it doesn't monitor changes to ignored pages; no edits to the sandbox can be considered vandalism. -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 14:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Camden School
Hi. Thank you for the message and the welcome note. Camden School for Girls does indeed have sixth form boys: please see our article (!) or the school site here. I will point out to the other user(s) at this household IP address the virtues of edit summaries, or even of having an account! :) Thanks and best wishes 92.234.32.127 (talk) 13:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Will do. :) 92.234.32.127 (talk) 12:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Christmas_cake.jpg
Ah but when it says "I created this work entirely by myself" does it mean the photo, the cake, or BOTH? Enquiring minds need to know! :) Best wishes DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 19:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * well it's a fine, fine thing anyway! And a nice photo too. :) DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 14:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Advice please (now sorted)
Hi. Sorry to bother you but what is the recommended, polite way to say to someone "you possibly shouldn't be editing [only] about yourself in here". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Brockuk - clearly none of this is in bad faith but at the same time I have a nasty feeling that, while it will seem obviously right to the editor (the text is wrong or lacking and who knows better than he does how to correct it?) it probably breaks some policy or other. Certainly I can see less problem with him correcting facts about himself in the article about him, than with him adding himself as a notable person who lives in such and such a place, but I really don't know how to frame this and do not want to cause offence when I am sure he thinks he's doing the right thing. Plus I am a coward, who hates conflict. :( Advice gratefully received! Cheers DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 19:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's OK, it's sorted now thanks. Another editor has intervened. Cheers DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 12:43, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries and thanks very much for the note. I know everyone's busy! As a matter of interest, do you happen to know if there is a template which both welcomes someone and explains about COI, nicely, in one go? I'm just thinking that this is perhaps not uncommon - go to wp, see article about my brass band, improve article about my brass band, etc - and at the moment it (I think) takes two templates and perhaps risks overwhelming the user. Just a thought, not a big problem, and please do not worry however long it takes you to reply! :) Cheers, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 14:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, thank you - that at least is pleasingly succinct - in the absence of a welcome-and-coi template that would certainly help keep the wordage down. Cheers. DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 19:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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You've warned someone today who was removing vandalism
And, I'm afraid, you reverted him/her. Dougweller (talk) 14:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

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Woolworhts Photos
Hi,

Images of the inside of any Woolworths Store needs to be approved by the Woolworths media office at HQ.

I just want to make you aware just in case you did not seek approval to take the photos. There are employee's at HQ that actively look for violations of the brand(s) online.

If you sought approval from a person in store, ensure that you have their full name, position and the time & date of the approval. This will then have you covered.

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My Bad
my bad about that vandilism thing --♦♣♠Arcangel11♠♣♦ 14:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcangel11 (talk • contribs)


 * Thanx im new so i might make some mistakes --♦♣♠Arcangel11♠♣♦ 14:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

So the sandbox is like a practice page for editing --♦♣♠ Arcangel11 ♠♣♦ 15:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

How long have u been a wikipedia user --♦♣♠ Arcangel11 ♠♣♦ 15:24, 30 September 2009 (UTC)'

Are u an admin/sysop yet --♦♣♠ Arcangel11 ♠♣♦ 15:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Are u from the united states --♦♣♠ Arcangel11 ♠♣♦ 15:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

kansas, usa --♦♣♠ Arcangel11 ♠♣♦ 15:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

ok is it harder for u to go to my talk page. how do u know english? ♦♣♠ Arcangel11 ♠♣♦ 16:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Can u show me how i would right mine cause i dont know how? my user name is arcangel11 but wen i tried to put the my talk page thing it took me to this other page instead of mine. --♦♣♠ Arcangel11 ♠♣♦ ( talk page ) 16:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcangel11 (talk • contribs)

k thanx my bad for askin to many questions. --♦♣♠ Arcangel11 ♠♣♦ 16:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcangel11 (talk • contribs)

Hahahahaa ur funny. How did u learn english. -- User: Arcangel11 16:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Thats cool how old r u --Arcangel11 ( Talk) 16:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Thats tight im a year older. Do u still go to school? Arcangel11 (Talk) 16:24, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Same what do u major in? what do u want to be after college? Arcangel11 (Talk) 16:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Right now im trying to get my message therapy certificate. But im aiming to be a chiropracter. Arcangel11 (Talk) 16:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

It's only noon here alright nighty night dont let the bed bugs bite. Thanx fo the help. Arcangel11 (Talk) 16:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Friend request
Maybe if an admin requested my friendship I would have an easier time considering ;)--<b style="font-family:Rockwell; color:gray;">Sky Attacker</b>   Here comes the bird!  06:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks SMC for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. I was Huggling and accidentally reverted that anon’s edit to a talk page. I thought it had been made to the article page, reverted it, realized my mistake in about 10 seconds, and went about fixing it. First I reverted my reversion, so the anon’s comments were put back into the talk page. Then, I went to the anon’s talk page and quickly reverted the warning template that HG had placed on it. But, in the two minutes it took me to do all that, s/he was venting on my talk page. Thanks again! I just wish I hadn’t caused the fracas in the first place … —  SpikeToronto  06:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. If there is a response, please respond here to keep the thread together. I will have your talk page watchlisted. Thanks! —  SpikeToronto 


 * No worries! And I wouldn't be too concerned about mis-Huggling, I do it all the time -- so long as you catch the error, no harm done. SMC (talk) 07:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

um, why did you undo my changes to the bhutan page..?
hi. i got a message from you that you undid my changes to the bhutan article. why did you change them? i'm having a bit of an edit war with some bhutan apologist who thinks that there wasn't ethnic cleansing in bhutan, or at least, wants to "tone it down". 98.202.201.25 (talk) 13:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edit because I thought you were trying to do a test - you were putting a reference tag in a title. In the future be careful with where you put reference tags - put them at the end of paragraphs/sentences in the main article, not the headers. I can assure you I wasn't reverting it with any kind of ulterior motive in mind. Cheers. SMC (talk) 13:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey
How do you put the little boxes u have on ur profile? Cause i wanna put some on mine. Arcangel11 (Talk) 13:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey! Those boxes are called userboxes; there's a gallery full of 'em over at Wikipedia:USERBOX. I'd recommend you read the instructions on that page before actually applying them to your user page. SMC (talk) 13:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright then thanx. Arcangel11 (Talk) 13:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Anytime :) SMC (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey wikipediaholic wat time is it over there? Arcangel11 (Talk) 13:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * 11:58PM :P You? (And yeah, I'm a "diagnosed" Wikipediaholic - I'm pretty sure I have a userbox on my page for that..) SMC (talk) 13:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

9:04 A.M Yup u do. That's a Cool Lookin Campus on ur profile.Is that where u stay? Arcangel11 (Talk) 14:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Campus on my profile? Where? O.o -- but, I go to the University of Queensland; live off-campus. SMC (talk) 14:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

O My bad u live of campus. Do u use a laptop? Arcangel11 (Talk) 14:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I do; really it's way too big for practical use in lectures (17" screen) but I manage to use it at uni anyway (be it for actually taking notes, or as a useful distraction during boring lectures). Since I'm in a program which falls under information technology it's kind of a necessity, though some people seem to struggle by without one! SMC (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha wat time do u go to ur uni? Arcangel11 (Talk) 14:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Depends on the day; last semester I had 8AM starts (no fun!) but the earliest I have this semester is 9AM, and most are 10AM. It's pretty cruisy as far as timetables go this semester, though last semester was a lot more fun since I had a really awesome design course, which was a total breeze if you knew any design/coding. Have you been lucky enough to have any chill courses like that? :P SMC (talk) 14:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Well most of my courses are all a breeze cuz im really smart. I think at least most of them are easy. the easiest one was probably muscle structures. Y do u go to sleep so late then ? Arcangel11 (Talk) 14:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm on the Australian uni equivalent of spring break :P it's a week long mid-semester holiday, kind of intended for study but I don't really have any to do (at least I think so). Ends in a few days then it's back to the daily study grind, as such. To be fair though I do stay up kinda late even on uni nights (say 11PM) but usually common sense kicks in ("hey, I've got to get up at 6:30 tomorrow!") and I get to bed at a semi-decent hour. SMC (talk) 14:36, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

That sucks well just tell me every time ur leaving to go to sleep so i wont stay here waiting the rest of the time for a message while ur asleep. So do u have an email or something? Arcangel11 (Talk) 14:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. And yeah, to email me just click "E-mail this user" in the panel at the left, since putting an email out in public is kind of like asking for spammers to pick it up. That'll then send me an email with the return address as your email. SMC (talk) 14:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

OOO that cool ok den. so wat u up to riht now? Arcangel11 (Talk) 15:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Currently I'm just on RC patrol, checking out new edits for vandalism. There's always a fair amount of that! But yeah, that's the thing I don't like about week long breaks - they're not long enough to really plan stuff to do, so I tend to wind up having massive lazy weeks like this one. :P SMC (talk) 15:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Which articles have been vandilized so far? Arcangel11 (Talk) 15:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Far, far too many to list. There is however a neat list over at Most vandalized articles which will give you some idea of just how heavy vandalism can get. SMC (talk) 15:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Dang that's alot how do u do it ? Arcangel11 (Talk) 15:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There's (thankfully!) a lot more people than just me doing RC patrol on here. As for how it's done: RC patrollers usually have a script or software suite, such as Twinkle or Huggle which filters vandal edits using particular keyphrases (such as swear words, common random gibberish, etc.) and gives us a choice between keeping the edit or reverting it and warning the user. Each edit has to be fairly carefully considered (by a human) before a reversion is done, but it all has to be done in a fairly efficient manner, so yeah as you can imagine, mistakes do happen. SMC (talk) 15:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Wen r u goin to bed its getting kindof late isnt it? Well for u at least. Arcangel11 (Talk) 15:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably sometime soon. I've had my caffeine fix though, so I might be awake for some time yet. And yeah, it's 1:41AM, lol. SMC (talk) 15:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Well now i see how you stay up. cuz i couldn't do that. Do u know spanish? Arcangel11 (Talk) 15:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately no, I don't. I did do some French in highschool though. Spanish tends to not be a popular language to learn over here (I think it is in the US?); rather our schools usually teach French, German, Chinese and Japanese. The last two probably have to do with the whole "Asia/Pacific" region thing. Still got nothing on the reason why we teach the first two... SMC (talk) 15:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

So what happened with english was it hard to learn it or did ur parents/teacher teach it to you growin up? Arcangel11 (Talk) 15:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty much was just taught it growing up. Grew up around it, as such.. kind of hard to explain with your native language, but you just "know it". I've heard it's hard to learn though as a language other than your native one. SMC (talk) 15:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Cool so do u have like a facebook, myspace o anythin like that? Arcangel11 (Talk) 16:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, shoot me an email and I'll link it to you in my reply. SMC (talk) 16:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

How? IDk Arcangel11 (Talk) 16:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * When you're on my user page or user talk page, there's a section called "Toolbox" in the bar to your left - if you're reading this now you'll probably have to scroll up until you see it. Click "E-mail this user" and assuming you gave a valid email address when you registered your account, fill out the form, and it'll send me an email with your email address as the return address (ie. in the "From:" section). SMC (talk) 16:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok then. Arcangel11 (Talk) 16:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, time for me to sleep. Have a good one :). 'night. SMC (talk) 16:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Turk-Albanians
The term "Turk-albanian" is not only an offensive and derogatory term for the Muslim Albanians, but is also historically incorrect. I don't think you will find any sources in written Literature regarding the Muslims of XIXth century Crete being designated as "Turko-Greeks". Best regards, --Guildenrich 16:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guildenrich (talk • contribs)
 * I can see plenty of Google search hits which reference "Turko-X" ie. "the Turko-Egyptian armada", "Turko-Cretan", etc. You sound like you know what you're talking about though, and you weren't making them with any malicious intent, so feel free to restore those edits. SMC (talk) 23:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thx--Guildenrich 00:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Administrator behavior
Can you please check this admin User:Dbachmann, he made a lot of changes in Albanians and Albania related articles, and those changes did not contribute anything (if anything it deleted encyclopedic information). Also this instance could show lack of WP:AGF towards Albanian editors. He is also very active in Kosovo discussion - very protective of "Kosovo is not a country". I am not claiming anything yet, just want to know if there is any base for suspicion. —Anna Comnena (talk) 11:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * From a cursory glance at that diff as well as the Kosovo talk page, I have to say that those edits are hardly civil; specifically, Dbachmann's reply which concludes with "don't waste anymore talk space..." concerns me, particularly coming from a sysop. The purpose of talk pages is to facilitate consensus, discussion and constructive debate, and all three of those are especially important with this article in its current situation (ArbCom probation). As for Dbachmann's edits on Albanian articles, I can't see any obvious POV pushing there. Granted, in one case a large chunk of article was removed with little explanation, but it was unreferenced -- which usually gives editors the option of removing that content at any time. Yet those incivility concerns remain, and I'm sure you've looked at your options for addressing those. So in summary: I'd conclude there's underlying incivility, but I believe *most* of the edits that I can see on Albanian articles are justified -- if you have specific diffs you're concerned about in those articles, I'd be happy to take a look. SMC (talk) 12:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. I am active in most of issues where dab is involved, and I might not be the most neutral user. So there could be that I am a bit paranoid. However, I think that dab could ask from editors (on the talk page) for references. Nevertheless, it is good to know that in such cases, there are people who can help. Thanks again. —Anna Comnena (talk) 18:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Queensland
Hey is queensland in brisbane? Arcangel11 (Talk) 13:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, Brisbane is in Queensland; Brisbane is the capital city of the state of Queensland. SMC (talk) 13:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

OO thats cool i heard that this one school in queensland had a funny answering machine. Arcangel11 (Talk) 14:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What school was that? One in Brisbane? :P SMC (talk) 14:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it was in te news i think im not for sure but it was funny. cuz someone told me about it and he said in queensland and i thought for a second and i remembered u were from there so i decided to ask. Arcangel11 (Talk) 14:15, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh right fair enough, yeah for the record I went to Brisbane Boys' College. There's a few other major private schools like that one in Brisbane, then there's tonnes of state-run schools; I'm pretty sure it's the same as the US education system. SMC (talk) 14:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Time for me to head off, cyas. SMC (talk) 15:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

So do u like playing sports? Arcangel11 (Talk) 13:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

About that IP editor you just warned
There's something wrong about that IP editor and his behaviour for blanking the page of an Indef-blocked IP. Since I just raised this possibility to an Admin, I'll let you know once I get a ping from him. --Dave1185 (talk) 21:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Could you please specify the anon in question? I'm not entirely sure which one you're referring to. Cheers. SMC (talk) 04:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * May bad, I actually got it mixed up. Well, it all started when you warned this guy on 1st October 2009 but he went to WP:RPP about 12 hours ago wanting to protect his talk page from being edited by people like us (read as in being templated/warned!), I picked it up immediately and went through his trail. Later, he would be blocked 31hours for vandalism on my user/discussion page. Cheers! --Dave1185 (talk) 08:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah yeah, that guy. His protection request got a slight chuckle out of me but I thought no more of it; thanks for letting me know anyway. SMC (talk) 10:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I had this guy’s (anonymous) talk page watchlisted because I had gone recently to warning template him, only someone else beat me to it. I have a couple of problems with protecting an anon’s talk page: (1) When his page became protected, the protecting admin forgot to put back the whois template. (2) If the page protection were to last longer than his block — which in this instance it will not — then he could return and vandalize with impunity since none of us recent changes patrollers would be able to hit him with warning templates. Just my 2¢ worth … — SpikeToronto (talk) 21:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I don't personally believe it should have been protected in the first place anyway; granted Dave1185 was restoring his warning templates (even anons are allowed to remove them) but this anon has removed the block template as well. You're right about the protection vs. block; there's a whole 14hrs before anyone can do anything about that IP address. I'm going to look at requesting page unprotection. SMC (talk) 02:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, he never received a block template. Hmm. SMC (talk) 02:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I spoke too soon; his page protection has expired. Dave1185: please remember in future that we can only restore block templates on user's talk pages; even anons are permitted to blank their user talk page. SMC (talk) 02:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

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Mondo 2000 revert
Your revert of the Mondo 2000 article

from:

"It was a more anarchic and subversive prototype of its later imitator, Wired magazine." (new)

to:

"It was seen as a more anarchic or subversive reflection of its later contemporary, Wired magazine." (old)

seems to me to be in error.

The old version is weasel-worded and indeed has a "who" tag. The old version also contains the oxymoron "later contemporary" and describes Mondo 2000 as a "reflection" of Wired although Mondo 2000 was founded years before Wired. That Mondo 2000 was more "anarchic and subversive" than Wired is not contentious; those who worked with or read both magazines have agreed with the import of the description.

Below is an excerpt from an article written in 1995 by Jack Boulware for SF Weekly and published in Suck on the basis of interviews with many principals of Mondo and Wired which thoroughly supports the new language in the Mondo 2000 article. The full article contains more support.

Mondo 1995: Up and Down With the Next Millennium's First Magazine excerpt: As Mondo was cresting, the founders of a failed magazine named Electric Word, Louis Rosetto and Jane Metcalfe, were returning to the States from Amsterdam. They were eager to start a magazine about computer culture and had already picked out a name: Wired. A mutual friend introduced them to Mondo adviser Randy Stickrod, and after a small meeting at Stickrod's home, he showed the group a portion of his office space at South Park, a corner eventually nicknamed "The Charmed Corner" for its list of successful publishing tenants - Wired, Might, Cups, Boing Boing, and Just Go!.

Rosetto and Metcalfe liked the space, moved in, and spent the next 15 months hosting a conference on the WELL, schmoozing contributors, and working on a business plan package for investors. Stickrod even introduced them to Queen Mu at the Mondo House.

"They were kind of chummy," Stickrod remembers. "They were swapping tips. That was the level of incestuousness we had going on there. Alison would come over to my office and bring a box of Mondos for me to hand out. She'd go sit and talk to Louis and Jane for half an hour. There was no overt tension at all."

Throughout 1992, Mondo 2000 could do no wrong and could afford to be gracious to the young upstarts, who obviously were dull, boring computer people while Mondo was ultrahip counterculture. (Electric Word telegraphed how boring it was with the slogan "The world's least boring computer magazine.")

Still, Wired's basic concept - the consequences of technology on lifestyle and popular culture - was very similar to Mondo. Didn't everyone know?

"Oh, of course I did," says Stickrod. "They knew that, too. What we all tried to do was politely underplay the similarities and really play up the differences. At the time, we all put a spin on it that they were not competitors. Including Alison."

"The only thing that was remotely connected [to Wired] was Mondo 2000," says Wired Executive Editor Kevin Kelly, who wrote for the early Mondo. "It was coming along in parallel with it. We were very careful not to refer to Mondo. We didn't want to be compared to them. But they also were aware of this same niche."

In January 1993, Wired magazine debuted as a bimonthly, its billboard campaign announcing, "At last. A magazine for the Digital Age," its promotional literature adopting the phrase "Rolling Stone of the 90s," a soundbite used previously by Mondo 2000.

The Mondo folks had no reason to flinch: A week later they were featured on the cover of Time magazine's "Cyberpunk" story in what could have passed for a paid advertisement. The cover was designed by Bart Nagel, and the layout, which mimicked the Mondo book's design, was illustrated by Mondo artists and photographers. Paragraph after paragraph was devoted to descriptions of Mondo articles and topics. Wired rated only a passing mention.

I'd like your to put the new version back, perhaps with a link to the above article for support.

96.25.170.197 (talk) 19:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It would seem that this edit by another editor has addressed these concerns. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, anyway. SMC (talk) 00:24, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Albanians page
Hi, could you just see the infobox on Albanians article (with references and all) and make it semi-protected for now, there will be edit-waring on the infobox, some Greek editors do not like the numbers. I know that you do not like to get involved in such issues, but it would really help if you would! Thank you! —Anna Comnena (talk) 08:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately!) I'm not a sysop, so I can't do protections or anything like that. You can request those over at WP:RPP but you should have something to back it up with; content disputes do not usually result in a sprotect, but vandalism edits almost always do. SMC (talk) 09:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok! I will see that, the problem is that these are disputes where sophistic language gets you where you want to go, and not the truth. It is sad. Thank you anyways. —Anna Comnena (talk) 09:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, I tend to steer clear of those as much as possible. I personally think you're brave getting involved in disputed articles like that :P. Just wish I could do more to help out. SMC (talk) 10:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

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How do Rc Patrol Give u a message right away wen u vandilize an article? Arcangel11 (Talk) 14:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Simple... Use Twinkle or Huggle~! Enjoy~! --Dave1185 (talk) 14:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Semi-related note, over vandalism at least. I correct a pair of vandalism edits by User talk:195.195.247.144 here and here and checked the user talk page to leave a tag... instead finding a final warning notice from you and a large number of other tags placed in the past. Since I don't have additional rights I don't have your immensely superior magical fancy-pants programs with auto-notifications... I figured it best I left you the notice personally to make sure it actually got here... yet I have a feeling it will have been sorted out by the time you read this... Cheers!~ Datheisen (talk) 13:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It would appear that Huggle has added the final warning notice as the user received a third warning just the day before. The edits you warned for were made 12 days later -- beside commenting on the user's colourful past, I'm not quite sure what you want me to do :P SMC (talk) 10:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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stop atacking people for nothing
this is really out of order and not needed i talked about wrong info on a talk page and wait to see if anyone replyed to see if they agree that it needs changing before doing it my self and instead of commenting to to disagree or agree i got messages that was not necessary and had nothing to do with what i did that the message was saying i did, so i send a message back now look up a little and take time it was seconds half seconds after i wrote that message that i got a unecessary message from you clearly you wrote that befroe getting your facts right and all needed information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.199.25 (talk • contribs)

public holidays in Germany (I've reverted your unintended vandalism)
december 26 is not Nikolaustag, St. Nikolaus is on December 6th and it's not a public holiday!!! december 26 is St.Stephans-Tag, but it's not often called that in Germany. It's usually refered to as Zweiter Weihnachtsfeiertag = Second day of Christmas!

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I am trying to post a link to a red alert file archive. Most of the files for red alert are spread about around the internet and thus the community is failing. I would like to post my link in order to set the record straight. but your system keeps reverting my edit.

jonathonbyrd@gmail.com

Help with ClueBot III
Hello CMC,

As I see you recently posted a reply on the ClueBot talk page, and as I see you are on the Welcoming Committee (I am not a new contributor but figured anyone on such a committee must be OK!), I wonder if you might be able to answer my question there, which was quickly archived! I'm not sure where else to pose this question.

Thank you very much for whatever help you may be able to provide, I would appreciate it. RadioBroadcast (talk) 03:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Replied over there :) SMC (talk) 03:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * ...or not -- completely missed the archive status of that page. Here's my reply:
 * 1) Yep, that will archive any threads without a reply every 21 days.
 * 2) I placed mine at the top, for safety's sake. It probably doesn't matter, but it makes things easier!
 * 3) Yup, should be as far as I know. Archiving for my talk page (for a different bot) was a relatively painless process, so I don't think you should run into any problems. If you do, feel free to contact me; I'll be glad to lend a hand. SMC (talk) 03:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! Most appreciated RadioBroadcast (talk) 23:44, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

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Primitive Communism edits
Do not accuse me of vandalism again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.166.36 (talk) 00:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Weren't Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels the people who *defined* primitive communism? And FYI, you were warned for introducing factual errors, not vandalism. You haven't made it clear that it was their *interpretation*, not their *definition*, which is what that reference supports (I imagine). I would strongly advise that you find a reference to support that it was their "interpretation". SMC (talk) 00:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Just to be sure, I've asked the original contributor of the reference to take a look . SMC (talk) 00:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Woohoo my nukes edit on the Megadeth page worked. I know how to use this thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.55.27.87 (talk) 06:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it :) SMC (talk) 06:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)