User talk:SMcCandlish/Archive 180

=November 2021=

R&I
I was recently restudying the recent R&I activism, RFCs etc. I just wanted to note again that your guidance was very clueful on this topic, and appreciated. Thanks, — Paleo Neonate  – 00:20, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it! :-)   — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

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TikTok follow-up
Hi! Any chance your computer has been cooperating enough to allow you to turn your attention back to my TikTok proposal? Much appreciated, Bkenny44 (talk) 18:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Paid work and another project have taken up my time; I've barely been on WP at all. I have not lost track of this entirely, but hopefully someone else will work on it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:For glossary
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Books & Bytes – Issue 47
 The Wikipedia Library Books & Bytes

Issue 47, September – October 2021 
 * On-wiki Wikipedia Library notification rolling out
 * Search tool deployed
 * New My Library design improvements

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Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment
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MOS:PEOPLANG
How did happen when the linked discussion explicitly says that consistency for either lowercase or uppercase was found by the original proposal? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Drmies being weird, I guess. I've reverted.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

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November thanks
Thank you for improving articles in November! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

now "juxtaposition of the sublime and the trivial" + Advent music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

A silly notion about quote marks for minor work titles
I am wondering why we don't just include quote marks directly in the titles of Wikipedia articles about "minor works". I thought I would ask you about it before opening a broader discussion, so you can nip this silly idea in the bud – and surely I'm not the first to think of this possibility. It would entirely avoid the need to disambiguate songs from albums of the same name (since the song's article title would have quote marks in it and the album's wouldn't) and it would ease correct Wikilinking – e.g., no one would forget to include the quote marks when referring to a song if the only way they could link to it would be to include the quote marks in the link. Moreover, it would avoid needing a lot of tortured hidden markup involving the use of pipes to disguise what is happening.

For example, at Play with Fire we currently have this:

* "Play with Fire" (Hilary Duff song), 2006

* "Play with Fire" (Rolling Stones song), 1965

That could be simplified to:

* "Play with Fire" (Hilary Duff song), 2006

* "Play with Fire" (Rolling Stones song), 1965

This way, the title you are shown would be the actual title of the article instead of something else (and the WP:PIPETRICK would work properly for these songs, whereas it currently does not).

The current scheme makes everything even more strange when there are quote marks within a title of a minor work, for example, when discussing a particular episode of The Simpsons, we currently need to say "The Old Man and the 'C' Student" or perhaps "The Old Man and the 'C' Student". Instead, the title of the article could just be "The Old Man and the 'C' Student" and the pipe and differing quote mark selections could be avoided.

On top of all that, we currently have a mismatch between the title displayed in big font at the top of an article – e.g., currently Beat It, and the opening sentence and infobox, which say "Beat It" (with quote marks) instead.

I'm guessing you're going to say something about mixing our orthography into our semantic meaning or somesuch. But I think this approach would be easier (after a somewhat painful transition).

—&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 02:25, 23 November 2021 (UTC)


 * ping for attention of another user who cares about such matters. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 02:31, 23 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't know the history of considerations of quotation marks in titles, but for now I'd say one could achieve a lot of the suggested link simplification by making redirects that include the quote marks. I doubt that would get much pushback, unless people really don't want redirects in disambig pages. Dicklyon (talk) 03:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would work. I think the marks are not included in the title directly because they are not literally part of the title but markup placed around the title. E.g., if you look at the cover of a CD single, the title is not in quotation marks. It's in quotation marks when a third party writes about the song.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Category scope
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