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=June 2023=

CS1 error on Tartan
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CS1 error on Tartan
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Holy cow!
Newbie here. I just wanted to comment that I'm absolutely blown away by your User and Talk pages. After leaving a reply to you here, I was curious about who and what you're all about, and ... wow! I've obviously managed to interact with a bona fide WP:VIP. Major props to you for all you've done, and continue to do. I just might be inspired to finally get around to doing some serious development of my Talk page, with you as a role model. I've gotta learn how to do all these things!

You don't need to respond to this as you're obviously a very busy guy. I just had to leave you a note about how impressed I am. Yesthatbruce (talk) 10:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm no kind of VIP, I'm just a "wiki-fossil". I've been here since 2005 or so. Glad you like the pages.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:13, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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Battleground?
Are you really trying to suggest that it's the fault of LGBTQ+ editors complaining about mistreatment that people feel uncomfortable when challenged on that mistreatment and that that's somehow LGBTQ+ editors creating a battleground? (I recognise that the specific context here is hardly an egregious example of mistreatment.) I'm sure you wouldn't object to a person of colour trying to nudge you away from terms they find problematic or hurtful.

Can I remind you of the UCoC and its expectations around mutual respect? and also

Can I please ask that you try to be more respectful of the concerns of LGBTQ+ editors, especially around sex and gender?

Thank you — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 16:52, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not "mistreating" or "disrespecting" anyone, let alone on the basis of any sociological class or group. I'm objecting to a few habitual participants in these topical debates treating their fellow editors automatically as ideological every time there's a slight disagreement about P&G wording/interpretation that happens to touch upon their subject of interest. It's unbelievably tedious and a serious drain on community goodwill and collegiality. We keep ending up at noticeboards for a reason. Your seeming insinuation that bringing up these concerns, even pointedly, is akin to using the N-word is not sustainable. I'm in the LGBT camp myself (and don't feel like being any more explicit about it here; WP is not LiveJournal). Being under that tent doesn't give anyone special privileges to be pigeonholing asshats toward other editors, as too many people in these debates have been, for very, very long time, and almost entirely on one side (those drivebys who do it from the other side get indeffed on sight). The failure to practice empathy is largely coming from a single "accept my doctrinal position or you are evil" direction, and it needs to stop. More broadly speaking, I am sick to death and beyond of the left tearing itself apart over micro-factional squabbles; it's a disease, and it's why the far-right is rising unchecked.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:09, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: I thought this was about something at Village pump (policy), but it turns out to be something about Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Gender identity which has . If you are going around harassing people at their talk pages with accusations like the above on the presumption that any and all discussions of grammatical gender, even about inanimate objects, have something deeply to do with TG/NB socio-politics, then you are definitely one of the people who need to be topic-banned from this area after all.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Kindly don't threaten me with bans or accusations of harassment. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 16:54, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Not threatening you with anything; observing that a battlegrounder needs to be removed from the topic area doesn't equate to a promise to seek that removal. I no longer have much stomach for dramaboarding. Asking  you've been harassing people isn't an accusation of harassment – though I certainly feel harassed, specifically for having a socio-political viewpoint that minorly differs from yours. Instead of doubling down on the hostility any further, you should probably stay off my talk page unless you have something encyclopedically constructive to discuss WP:NOT.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There is certainly no intention to "double down on hostility" here, though I note the repeated accusation and bad faith argumentation in your response. Just as much as I guess you do, I would much rather avoid drama and personal disagreement, so I look forward to mutual silence until we have something encyclopedically constructive to discuss. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 17:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Works for me. WP:SHUN is often actually helpful in my experience. PS: I don't think you're acting in bad faith. Activists generally have intensely good faith, but have a hard time turning the advocacy firehose down, and stepping back from a fighting-the-good-fight binary narrative. It's a hard habit to break (I know; former professional activist).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:17, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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Page-ception
Hi. A small pebble in my shoe for years... never seen a solid answer... maybe you have some insight?

If I'm citing a journal article (or similar), I need to cite 2 sets of page numbers: the page(s) that locate the article and, within that, the page(s) that locate the cited fact. Now if I'm in charge (or taking charge) of the WP page, I can just use sfn and everything's smooth. If I'm working in a  context, there seems no elegant solution. I've come to think that adding rp to each inline is the best available option, but I don't recall ever coming across an intelligent discussion of this problem (which must occur literally a million times). Thoughts? Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 18:40, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * See what I've been doing at Tartan, which has quite complex and  noting (but not using  because of its limitations; see thread near bottom of that's article's talk page, about citation style).  The basic technique is to do one of the following:
 * At first occurrence of the source, add a ref parameter:, then at second citation:
 * More cleanly, especially if there's a divided referencing section with separate subsections for citations and sources, add the source you're going to cite multiple times to the latter, without any page numbers:, then in the body, use the short form for both citations:   and.
 * If you're going to use  style in the same piece, it autogenerates the equivalent of ref, so what you have to do is view source on the page and find out what the   is of the target source, and use that in the hand-coded short notes:  . If you added a ref to that source, it would override the , and break all the  notes that point to the same source. You can see me doing using this mixed approach if you view the source of the section History of the kilt, e.g.:  ; you can't do a "citing: ..." add-on note like that inside . The flexibility of the ref thing is so good that I could have added a GordonOfRothiemay1841 to that Gordon of Rothiemay embedded citation, and later cited it directly with  , or whatever. I'm doing exactly that sort of thing in several places at Tartan.
 * While I invented (specifically to handle re-re-re-re-re-citing the same source a zillion times in Glossary of cue sports terms, waaay back in the day), it is basically obsolete now because of the ref parameter.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:15, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Very much obliged for the detailed response. I look forward to reviewing your examples. Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 00:25, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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