User talk:SPUI/random road stuff archive

3DI template
Hey!

I noticed your changes -- I like them a lot, its easier to navigate / cleaner appearance. How do you think we should handle the 3di's articles that compress multiple states into one article? (For example, Interstate 405). Do you think we should have state listing, but just link them all to the same article? I've been creating redirects such as Interstate 405 (California), that would in turn forward to the Interstate 405 article, but this seems kind of redundant too (plus the state isn't bolded in the table either. So any ideas? -User:Atanamir

List of bannered U.S. Highways
While it's a cool idea, I don't think the List of bannered U.S. Highways page is actually feasible. Business/Scenic/City/Historic/Truck/whatever banners can be added and removed at the whim of the state (or even the city), and trying to keep a centralized list would be difficult at best. Most likely, those of us who are interested will eventually lose interest and the page will lie like a trap door with pungi sticks at the bottom, waiting for an unwary traveller to walk over it. Well, maybe it won't be that bad, but you get the idea. --Robertb-dc 17:52, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I guess if you feel the need, go for it -- I know I wasn't deterred by anything when I created the List of U.S. Highways, and it took off quite nicely. --Robertb-dc 18:21, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re: Interstate Highway
"For instance, I-90 in New York has a full set of three-digit Interstates - I-190, I-290, I-390, I-490, I-590, I-690, I-790, I-890 and I-990. Due to the large number of these routes, they can be repeated in different places along the mainline; no two three-digit Interstates in the same state can share a number."

You say that "they can be repeated in different places along the mainline"; that suggests to me that two three-digit Interstates in New York state have the same number, like two I-390s, for example. But then you say that "no two three-digit Interstates in the same state can share a number", which contradicts the previous statement. Denelson83 21:07, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I-291 (MA)
Why are you requesting "Speedy Delete" of this article and why not redirect it. Its your article so I don't want to edit your own "Speedy Delete" for some reason that I don't understand. hydnjo talk 02:19, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * And the same goes for I-291 (CT) I guess. hydnjo talk 02:25, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * But both routes seem to have several links (see "What links here"). See what you think. I'll leave the "Speedy Delete" decision up to you as you seem to be the "Interstate Guy" ;-)  hydnjo talk 02:35, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Ouch - I understand. I just thought that the Namespaces themselves were salvageable somehow because some researcher might look them up that way. But it seems moot since they've both been already deleted. Sorry for my intrusion, no disrespect intended. hydnjo talk 03:05, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like User:Rhobite has turned a red link to blue. I just hppened to notice and thought you might like to know. hydnjo talk 03:47, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bridges
There is a "official" policy about articles not being in both super and sub categories, but the reality is that this is often not followed. I think there are several occasions when it is useful for this rule NOT to be followed. The main reason, is when there are two or more category hierarchies that have the same category as a member. I gather you've read all the discussion about this, so I won't repeat it here.

The point I'm getting at is that neither side of this issue can really claim that they are correct, or even claim that there is a rigid policy. There isn't a clear consensus. There is the status quo.

I think the important thing here is to let things evolve. If you look at category:Bridges in New York City it is very clear that the entries in the toll bridge subcategory are included. The note on that page I think is a good solution. It says that there is a policy, but sometimes it makes categories more useable if the policy is not followed.

Also, I don't see the point in just reverting one bridge. So what is so terrible about leaving it the way it is? Do you plan on fixing every category that doesn't follow "the rule"? If so, I can send you a long list of them!


 * -- Samuel Wantman 08:15, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Unique 3di moving
Hello,

I was confused as to how to handle this as well; but noticing that we have a future/past list for 3dis as well, I decided moving them to their respective states offered easier expansion in the future should new 3di's of that number arise. But either way, it doesn't matter I guess...

- User:Atanamir

3di
That looks good, we can do that. Should the 3di template point to (Lousiana) then? or just I-910...

- User:Atanamir

Dixie Highway
I rechecked the source for the Carl G. Fisher article and it was this article, which actually is worded to refer to a prior road. Assuming the Dixie Highway was a U.S. thing, I have changed the statement in the Fisher article to match what it says in the Dixie Highway article which I hope is correct. The 1923 Dixie Highway map shows Canadian border to Florida. Thanks for the heads-up. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 03:19, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

Update: I took your advice and just removed the reference to Montreal completely. I can't seem to find PD image of the old 1913 Collins Bridge, which woudl be nice addition to article. Are you opposing the FA nomination (Featured article candidates/Carl G. Fisher)? If not, and you can support, I would appreciate a the support vote. As it is now written, your comment could be ruled by User:Raul654 to be some kind of unresolved objection. I am also open to any suggestions to improve the article. Thanks. Mark. Vaoverland 04:19, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the photo lead and removing the possible objection. I will add to the article and the smaller Collins Bridge one. Plus a whole new source of photos! Kewl!! Vaoverland 04:40, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

Three-digit Interstates article
For easier reading, do you want me to put all the headers for each interstate section with the corresponding image? e.g.

[[Image: Interstate5.png|25px]] Interstate 5
I think it'll be easier on the eyes because the list is so long.

-User:Atanamir

Interstate 880
Interstate 880 has both a current and a past in California. Should we just leave it be then?

--Atanamir

107 and 108
Done

Termini
179 definitely ends at 81.

As for 114, signage says it stays with Broad Street to Blackstone to Diamond Hill Road so that's how it should be.

Wuzzup
Signage going both ways on 114 specificially show 114 turning onto Blackstone. Southbound on Diamond Hill, there's a large green sign that points 114 to the right onto Blackstone. Going Northbound on Broad, there is a 114 trailblazer that points it to the right onto Blackstone.

The maps look great but what does green signify vs. red?

Can't wait to see all the maps
Can't wait to see the maps man. Separating out local vs. state maintenance is a good idea.

US Highways Tempklate?
How do you feel about this:

Should we put it on all teh pages instead fo the series thing?

- User:Atanamir

USH template
Looks good! I'll start putting it onto the pages tonight.

Do you know a site where they have the signs for all the US Highways? Some of the US hgihway articles are still missing teh shields.

User:Atanamir

Image:Grnway1.jpeg
Has this photo been specifically released into the public domain? Only federal and California government images are automatically PD. --SPUI (talk) 19:09, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Really? How disappointing. Well, I don't know where they got it from, but I don't see any notice on their website about releasing it into the public domain. You can tag it for copyvio, if you think it's a violation. I wonder where we can find a good picture of the Greenway. I am also looking for pics of the Reedy Creek road and the Italian Autostrade. Rad Racer | Talk 19:38, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: US 101
In the List of United States Highways, I grouped the U.S. highways into a table by the last two digits. Adding a dedicated table cell for U.S. Highway 101 creates a redundancy in the table, and it would have implied the existence of U.S. Highways 1101, 2101, 3101 and so on, which violates that system. Besides, I already put a note at the top of that table saying that an asterisk next to an entry for a three-digit U.S. highway indicates that it is a standalone highway, i.e., not a child highway of the two-digit U.S. highway that shares its two digits with the last two digits of the three-digit highway. Denelson83 00:30, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * But numbers of X01 are steadfastly reserved for child routes of US 1, and US 1 is on the opposite site of the country from US 101. AASHTO would have to use banners for child routes of U.S. 101, such as "alternate", "business", "bypass" or "spur".
 * And as for the no-link signature, it discourages people from turning my user name blue on Special pages. Denelson83 00:40, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * There. Better?  Denelson83  00:52, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Super-2
I noticed that about low-budget freeway. I will do an article specifically related to RIRO expressways.

Median barriers should be removed from Super-2, since, by definition, a Super-x is an undivided freeway. A two-lane divided freeway would be just that - a two-lane divided freeway. Were divided highways still categorized as Super-2s, the term Super-4 would not exist at all.

Snickerdo 03:42, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

All future discussion should be moved to Talk:super-2. Regardless, is this divided super-2 you speak of divided by a grass/concrete barrier, or is it a single carriageway divided by roadstripes?

Category:New York state highways
I guess i didn't get the memo about about the mandatory "three digit" highway numbers. I only happened on this category when I moved a newarticle 25a to it's new name. Should I re-cat |25A to |025A? hydnjo talk 15:33, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

highway reverts
What's with all the reverts concerning highways right now? &mdash; Rickyrab | Talk 04:01, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * What's a 9XX indexing key?   &mdash; Rickyrab | Talk 04:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OIC. So what's the problem? The 9XX key is being used on the wrong highways? &mdash; Rickyrab | Talk 04:11, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ahhh, I see. thanx. :) some folks can be weird on numbering.   &mdash; Rickyrab | Talk 04:16, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

La Cienega
I got the photos from a "roadgeek" site which credited the photos to Caltrans. If you think they're copyvios, by all means feel free to remove them if you haven't yet. Thanks for letting me know. - Lucky 6.9 21:12, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, looks like you beat me to it. The external link section looks fantastic! - Lucky 6.9 21:13, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * WOW! Even better!  That map looks just plain wonderful! - Lucky 6.9 03:16, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Whoops
Sorry about the misplaced revert at U.S. Highway 94; Multihunter Tame went on a stub template removing spree today, and I somehow overlooked the fact that I wasn't reverting the current revision on this one. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 16:47, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Streets in Manhattan
Do you mean if 19th and 20th Streets are eventually added? I think it's more intuitive for people to look under "2" for "Second Avenue" than under "0", for "Seventh Avenue" under "7" rather than "0" and so forth. Can we continue this discussion (if you'd like to continue it) on the talk page of that Category page? I've always found the disjointed conversations on user talk page (going back and forth from yours to theirs) to be sort of difficult, and I'd like to get other people's input. I'm not heavily invested in either idea, but I just think it's more intuitive this way. Once (if) dozens of more Manhattan streets are added (i.e., when there really is an article for 19th Street, 20th Street, each street in the 70s and so on), then I'd say your way makes more sense. Moncrief 23:25, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Madonna of the Trail
Any ideas for PD images for the new article Madonna of the Trail? Circa 1928-29, with sites in 12 states. Thanks, Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 01:13, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

I-180 in California??
Hi --

I note that you added California to the list of states that once had an Interstate 180??? Am I missing something, as I'm not aware with this one... According to kurumi.com and cahighways.org, I-180 was a proposed number, but since there was already a highway 180 in California (near Fresno), it was never actually used. I know from personal experience (I used to live near there) that it went straight from CA-17 to being called I-580. --Rickscholz 05:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I interpreted the Kurumi description as meaning that it was officially I-180. It doesn't seem all that clear to me on either site - do you know anything definite on whether AASHTO called it I-180 pre-1983? --SPUI (talk) 05:44, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm trusting the cahighways site more, which says "Around 1985, the number I-180 was briefly proposed for the Richmond-San Rafael stretch of what is now I-580 and was formerly part of CA 17."

If AASHTO did actually call it that, it's news to me, and to all of the road geek web sites I visit. If anything, it was unsigned, but I don't think this is even the case. I don't think AASHTO would call it one number and the state would call it a different number... that would be way too confusing.

According to cahighways, that stretch of highway was transferred from CA-17 to I-580 in 1984.--Rickscholz 06:01, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

CA State Route Infobox v2
Since i usually show you stuff for your approval first, I just wanted to know your opinion of my version of the CA highway project's infobox before i really start using it:

How is that?

User:Atanamir

CASR Infobox v2a
I like it! The legend is nice. Is there any way to write a if/elseif statement in wikimarkup? I'm trying to see if i can have the template handle the next/prev automatically with something like

if(route == 1 ) next = 2;

[not in that syntax, of course, but have sometihng like that].

For the postmile, it really doens't matter to me. Do you think it'll easier to include the distance between junctions? or is that harder to do?

--atanamir 10:31, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

CASH infobox again
I've also some more changes to the infobox:

User:SPUI/onthecaca

Do you think termini is important?

I forgot to make the CASH shields transparent when i uploaded them last night. So there's the ugly white box around it, so i toned down the green on the navigation.

Thanks for the article!
Left-side_driving_part_of_a_planned_Findlay%2C_Ohio_interchange_reconfiguration looks interesting! but I'll need to read up just to understand it... - Amgine/ talk

Interstate infobox?
 Do you think this is overkill? It was inspired by the infobox for the California state routes... --atanamir 01:28, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
 * a couple notes:
 * the 'junctions' would only be for other primary interstates.
 * major cities would be cities with population 100,000+ (except for state capitals).
 * distances would only be two-letter state abbreviations

this should help the boxes from being too long and bulky. --atanamir 01:36, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, i thought it looked good in concept and in theory, but when i acutally placed it onto the i-5 article nad looked ait it felt like overkill; seeing as how at lof othe inforamtion was already contained on the page. I guess I'm just a sucker for infoboxes =P. How can i delete the template? Template:routeboxinterstate. I've never figured out how to delete something on this thing beofre. --atanamir 04:01, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

test --SPUI (talk) 02:28, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Original Belt Parkway Exit Numbers
Where did you find the original Belt Parkway exit numbers that you used on the Gowanus Expressway page? BOARshevik 03:53, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

US-road-stub
Hi SPUI - It's seems like a good idea to have a separate US road stub category, but I wish you'd let us know over at WikiProject Stub sorting! We're having enough difficulty keeping track of the stubs we know about, without suddenly discovering new ones! Stub categories should normally be cleared via a one-week debating process at WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria before creation. In the case of this stub, it looks good - over a hundred stubs, and fits in well with the WSS hierarchy, but if you're planning to make any more, please let us know beforehand. Oh, and if you're interested in helping sort stubs, we're always looking for new members of the project :) Grutness|hello?  01:07, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I dodn't know about UK-road-stub, but it makes sense you having done that one as well. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 05:47, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

naming policy
I'm sure you know of the fiasco with the state route namings for the CA/SRs that Nohat has roused. Is there any policy besides the 'common names' one that nohat keeps touting? He makes it sound as if we're against wiki policy or something... --atanamir 20:16, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[you can delete this message afterwards]

Super-2 highway
Do you know anything about Super 2 highways? The article itself mentions a Super-4 which immediately got redirected along with undivided expressway. There are some undivided expressways in this world that have 4 lanes. I also think you should mention some more undivided Interstate highways in the List of gaps in Interstate Highways article. --SuperDude 03:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

CA/SR17
The argument has moved onto the wikiproject talk for 17; I'm just kinda happy that a compromised has been reached. But I do fully support the official name for the article. -_-. --atanamir 21:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

List of California State Routes
I'm getting rather worried as to the length of this article -- it's 76 KB, and it's getting to be a nightmare to edit (saving takes forever... lots of failed saves... etc.) Do you have any idea as to an alternative representation of the list without having to split it into sepearate articles?

Also, do you think we should add the infoboxes onto the interstates in calfiornia too (teh 3di ones i guess) as they are also technically state routes? There's a discussion going on about this in teh wikiporjects page for ca/srs. --atanamir 12:35, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Pic of the day
Hi SPUI,

Just to let you know that your illustration Image:Chicago top down view.png is coming up for Pic of the Day on the 26th May. You can change or correct the caption at Picture of the day/May 26, 2005. -- Solipsist 20:52, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Road v. street
Hi there. :) I noticed that you redirected the street-stub message to the road-stub one. Now, admittedly this could be just me, but I always thought that calling a street a "road" is about as appropriate as calling someone's backyard "Central Park." A road's primary use is transportation from A to B; a street, by contrast, has many uses, and of these vehicular transportation is merely incidental. A street, as Jane Jacobs would say, provides a stage for the "drama of civilization." Not so for a road. Such are the connotations of these terms.

Probably this word choice issue doesn't deserve the attention I've paid to it, but it just seems vaguely insulting to call a street a "road." No one, not even a motorist, would dream of calling Rivington Street a "road." Something about that smells strange, maybe even a little, er, suburban, if you get my drift... :)

Anyway, would you object if I changed it back?

Cheers.

Typogfk 14:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. (You wrote: "The main issue is that we don't want an explosion of stub categories, so only ones that will have a lot of articles are created.")

Well, OK... but a street still isn't a road, and I daresay there should probably be more articles about streets than articles about roads. Says on WP:WSS that "stub categories attract experts in specific areas," but people with an interest in streets--urban theorists and sociologists, for example--won't bother digging through a billion "road" articles to find room for improvement. A "street" stub would be helpful, however. So should I just go ahead and relabel those stubs?

BTW, is this really the best way to communicate on this site? It seems perverse.

Typogfk 21:44, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

(You wrote: "Please read through the links on WP:WSS. And a street is a road, by definition.")

I'm surprised you think a "road" and a "street" are equivalent, since to judge from your user page you seem interested in urban affairs. As it says on WP:WSS, the purpose of these stubs are to attract people with an interest in the relevant topic; "road" stubs just aren't going to attract people with an interest in streets. It seems to me that the situation calls for a "street" category... right?

At the very least, we ought to stop mislabeling urban streets as roads.

Typogfk 21:54, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

OK, I'll bring it up there
Thanks. And I guess there really is no better way to communicate here, is there? This editing-pages-as-messaging has got to be the worst messaging system ever devised by man. Scattering conversations across pages and everything. Oh, well. :p

Typogfk 22:01, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

US 220
Removing US 220 from the Template:US Highways would be wrong. It is a US Highway it is not a state route, and was designated in 1926 with the rest of the highways, such as US 20, US 50.

It is a US Highway so it belongs in the list, and it is bannered a US Highway. It recieve Federal US Highway Funds. It meets all requirements for being a US Highway and is labled as such.

But you may be correct in it not being a spur of US 20 however when the Highway act was enacted in 1926 many spurs did not connect to the "mother road" although that was the intent, but I don't have a problem with you removing the Spur comment.


 * You have me confused in your thinking now. If it is a Spur route is doesn't belong in the Template:US Highways list, but your saying it is a not spur route which would make it a primary and putting it in the [[Template:US Highways where it is now.  Please clarify your position.

According to MDSHA, "US 220 was an original 1926 US route" According to NCDOH "US 220 was an original 1927 US Route, but did not reach North Carolina until 1935 when it was extended south from Cumberland, MD." (I think 1927 is a typo). I can find nothing of it being a Spur which would make it a Primary. --71Demon 21:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Appalachian Development Highway System
First thanks for the ADHS that is a good idea.

Not sure on the lenthy, Corridor D idea. I see your reasoning, but there is nothing ambigous at this point, and I don't for see anything in the near future. I live north of Corridor H and nobody refers to it by the route numbers. It was one of the orginal AHDS highways, and for 40 years people have been calling the route Corridor H also few people know of the Appalachian Development Highway System by simiply using Corridor H it will direct people to the ADHS.

Second thanks for fixing the Corridor D vs Corridor N I was trying to determine how to do that.

Also made US 48 a disambiguation page to eliminate the confusion of the reuse of the route number several times.--71Demon 13:48, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

US 48 / ADHS
US 48 I think should remain a Disambiguation since there have been 3 different US 48's  I live 20 miles south of Interstate 68 formally US 48 and people still refer to it as 48. I also live 20 miles North of Corridor H and nobdy refers to it as US 48. No signage has been put up in WV at all proclaiming it as US 48 official maps of VA and WV don't list it as US 48 yet. Virginia has put up US 48 signs on their 7+ mile section, but they also still use the VA 55 designation. WV only uses the WV 55 and US 219. At this point if we loose the Disambiguation page we will only add to the confusion. People still thinking of Interstate 68 as US 48 will simple think Wikipedia is wrong, those searching for Corridor H will get confused with the US 48 designation since they have not seen it. The Disambiguation page allows them to find out there were 3 US 48's and if they get the wrong one the can simple hit the back button to find the correct one, learning in the process, and learning is what this is all about. I think we should keep the Disambiguation page, until the states themselves remove the Disambiguation in the real world.

Your Corridor H + ADHS makes sense now and works for me.

--71Demon 13:48, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The dead expressways wikicity
I noticed that you took out the link on Freeway declaring that project dead. I have no reason to doubt your diagnosis, as I've asked a couple of times on the wiki itself and on UKRoads' wiki, and gotten no reply whatsoever.

But to get to my real question, is there some de jure or de facto process used to negotiate Wikipedia's relationship to other topic-specific wikis? As I was setting up a poker Wikicity I felt the need to assure Angela that we wouldn't be cannibalizing WP's poker content, which only makes sense -- I'm not a big fan of redundancy. But I just wondered how this is handled in other cases where Wikipedia already has detailed info on a topic, and someone proposes another wiki with even more detailed info on the topic.

Thanks, PhilipR 14:12, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Expressway Wikicity
I know you are a roadgeek and write Wikipedia articles about highway-related terms. Also, I would like you to expand the Expressways Wikicity. So far, I have been one of the few Wikaddicts to expand it. I have been expanding the comedy Wikicity, but I think you are more interested in highways. If you are interested in comedy, you can edit the comedy wikicity too. --SuperDude 00:36, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I like Wikipedia, and I also like other Wikis (e.g. Wikicities). Since you won't expand the expressways wikicity, I'll have somebody else back me up. --SuperDude 02:52, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Corridor X
Growing up in Mississippi during the construction of the four-lane, I always heard it called Corridor X, from Memphis to Birmingham, in the news. Also see http://www.aaroads.com/high-priority/corr10.html and http://www.southeastroads.com/i-022a_al.html. &mdash; Fingers-of-Pyrex 15:07, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)
 * Wow! Learned something today. Thanks for researching it. Went to the horse's mouth, I did: map of the ARC corridors showing Corridor X from Fulton to B'ham and list of routes and termini. &mdash; Fingers-of-Pyrex 22:19, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

Powel Crosley Jr.
I have been working on Powel Crosley Jr., a fascinating subject with a heavy transportation angle. I am coming up dry on PD images from LOC and Florida sources. One LOC image which has him looking to the main subject, another man, that is all. Can you help me with anything for this article? Thanks for your good work on Warren County Canal. Mark in Richmond

Thanks. I forgot about the 1923 criteria. Vaoverland 21:39, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Closure templates
I've added the closure templates for you at Votes for deletion/Washington State Route 900. Yes, it was late, but the people who close VfD debates are often too busy. By closing obvious keeps like that one, you can really help them. --cesarb 17:01, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Is there a reason the closure template is necessary? I actually looked for one that had been closed properly, but couldn't find any; shouldn't the note at the top that they have been closed be enough? --SPUI (talk) 17:04, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It serves to scare newbies who would otherwise vote on the debate even after it was already closed (they can get to the page if they try to nominate the article again, or from the link on the talk page). Besides, it also helps looking for unclosed debates on the log pages, since it makes them stand out from the flow.
 * Which templates to use is explained in some obscure location in the VfD maze; it's REASON ~ followed by a blank line at the top, and  preceded by a blank line at the bottom.
 * --cesarb 17:11, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I've fixed up Votes for deletion/Iraq occupation mistakes (the one I originally meant to do, then went to SR 900 as one that should have been closed to get the info off of). --SPUI (talk) 17:14, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * By the way, the obscure location I mentioned above is Deletion process. --cesarb 17:20, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

List of Interstate that started out with multiple discontiguous segments
I just wanted to make sure that article didn't get deleted on the basis of the awkward name alone. Thanks for stepping in with your well-informed opinion. You convinced me to change my vote. I didn't know there was such a thing as a roadgeek. What does a roadgeek do? - Pioneer-12 19:44, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, I collect old maps! But I think that makes me a mapgeek, not a roadgeek. - Pioneer-12 20:25, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

114 is done
Have fun. --K1vsr 19:22, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

2022

CASR WP template
Do we need the template anymore? Because it wound up on Templates for deletion.

--Rschen7754 20:18, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Maps for 114
Hey SPUI, could you add your map of Pawtucket showing the routing of RI 114 to the article when you get a chance? Thanks! --K1vsr 13:02, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Stone Bridge
When you have a second...

Stone Bridge (Rhode Island)

RI 138
OK, I put everything I thought was relevant in RI 138. --K1vsr 02:09, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

All 1xx Routes Done
RI 138A, RI 146, RI 146A, RI 152, RI 165, RI 177 and RI 179

Have fun! --K1vsr 18:27, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

I-895 and the Sakonnet River Bridge
Hi there - re: your removal of the line in the Sakonnet River Bridge article, "At one point, it was considered for inclusion as part of the never-built Interstate 895." One of my sources for this information was you: Link. Even if it was a possible alternate, shouldn't it be mentioned? Thanks! —Charles O'Rourke 13:08, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * SPUI, correct me if I'm wrong, but that plan for I-895 to use RI 24 and MA 24 to Fall River was only very briefly considered and never really officially put into planning documents. Therefore, I really don't think it should be listed in the Sakonett River Bridge article, but I will add a mention of it on the Interstate 895 article. --K1vsr 13:19, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, all the removed sentence says is that it was considered. The sentence mentions it casually and doesn't put undue importance on the consideration.  I think it's an interesting fact that has a place in the Sakonnet River Bridge article. —Charles O'Rourke 13:23, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * I added a sentence in the Sakonnet River Bridge article that makes it very clear that this was not a serious consideration and never made it to official planning stages. Cheers! --K1vsr 14:10, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

I-285
So, um, correct the factual mistake, instead of reverting the entire addition? --Baylink 18:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, lots of people *have never even been in a state with an Interstate beltway*. Why isn't there a list of complete-cirle beltways, anyway?  :-) --Baylink 18:55, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

"SPUI"?
Single Point Urban Interchange? Wahkeenah 21:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Awesome. Do I get a prize for guessing right? A free cloverleaf would be a good bit of irony. We have several SPUIs in the Twin Cities, and I hate them. Most of them are on bridges. One is actually under a bridge, which makes things interesting. Wahkeenah 21:44, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

US 44/MA 3
There was no multiplex signed as of December 23, 2004, last time I drove through the area, and I never heard any differently on MTR...

--EmiOfBrie

OK I see...though to be less confusing, personally I think it would make more sense to just end 44 at 3 and 44A at 3A.... *shrug* Did you notice RMcN jumped the gun a bit? They had the new 44 complete as of the publishing date of the 2005 atlas (Sept 2004) ;)

I-4
Gee, guy, generally it's best to check (and add to!) the Talk page of a page when editing it, rather than making angry comments in your edit summaries because of some perceived injustice.

Also, if you're going to change around the redirect, please make sure you've fixed the page that it's redirected to, i.e. Straight-4. (i.e. "'I-4' and 'I4' redirect here..." would no longer be accurate.) BorgHunter 02:55, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Google Maps Links
In response to your question on my talk page about why I was using Google Map links for the locations on the Interstate connection points, the simple fact is that I know about them. I was not aware of any other method available here for providing a link the user could click on to go directly to a map, except maybe for the U.S. Census Tiger Map server and their comments are that they don't really want to become a map site for general use by the public. (I gather what they're really trying to do is provide a resource for people creating small maps to download and put elsewhere although they seem to imply they don't want that either.)

Google's map page also provides a "clickable link" that is useful for the purpose of providing a link to the particular map in question at the resolution given. Now, if you know of something else - such as your suggestion of the TerraserverUSA system and some Wikipedia internal template that can reference it - that supplies clearly visible maps that a single link can go directly to that point and show it on a map, I'm all ears in hearing about it. I'll be more than happy to use something else either in place of or in addition to Google's mapping system. I think the one supplied by Google works nicely, but if there is something better and/or easier to use for a reference, that's fine. - Paul Robinson (RFC1394) &#91;Talk Page / User Page&#93;  11:23, 1 August 2005 (EDT)

Secondary Comment
The template you recommended doesn't provide direct access to a map, it provides a page of links to maps. I will add that template reference but I think providing a direct link to Google will be more useful. Also, I am, however, not sure what you mean by "won't work in all browsers" as Google's map system works in both Netscape 7.2 and IE. Maybe it doesn't work in older browsers I will include dual references, I think so if it doesn't work using Google maps they can try another one. I'd be happy to include other map server references if there is a direct "clickable link" feature allowing one to directly go to the specific map image. Paul Robinson 16:47, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Third Comment
The coordinate template is ugly. I don't want to show the latitude and longitude. And I am not interested in putting in two references, I tried creating a template to create a Google link to a map and automatically create a cross-link to others but it doesn't work, I'm not sure why. So I'm sticking with what does work, which is the direct reference to Google. If you can figure a way to make the template work so I can pass parameters to it, then I'd be happy to use it. But the most important thing is having a direct immediate link to the map point for the point in question.

By the way, if you choose to use a non-standard browser and standard features don't work in it, that's your problem. Google's use of background requests to load images while other things are being shown or drawn works with Netscape 7 which means it also works with Firefox and anything using the Mozilla codebase. And it also works with IE. I would presume it also works with Opera. That probably covers 99.9% of all browsers in use.

If you choose to use a non-standard browser and it doesn't support a standard that everyone else does, well, then you're stuck, I guess. :)Paul Robinson 18:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Florida routes sorting (response)
The change I did was an attempt to bring order to chaos on the list page. (Which didn't completely work; a couple sort keys stubbornly refused to re-sort to their new headings.)

There were routes both sorted with and without initial zeros, which made the whole concept not work properly. Personally, I liked the sort key being the first digit, as otherwise you have a crapload of things showing up in the Wikipedia index under "0". From a generalized encyclopedia sorting standpoint (not a road numbering standpoint), this was unreadable to me, because it meant there were no useful headings in the index.

Change it one way or the other; all said, it doesn't matter which way to me, but please make it consistent for all pages on the index. --Todd Vierling 17:09, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

US Interstate highway stub problems
At WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals there is an ongoing debate about U.S. Interstate Highway Stub and US Highway stub... --Rschen7754 00:39, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Interstates
In what browser are you finding the change I made didn't center? It centers ok in Firefox and IE, which is all I have to check it in here. Can we try to make the toccolours version center, rather than reverting it all the way back to blue (which isn't how most footer boxes are tending to be now) and with a less accessible table structure, please? — OwenBlacker 21:13, August 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * In K-Meleon, none of the table cells have the text centered inside them, as you removed the "align=center". The one at the beginning of the table code only centers the table on the page. --SPUI (talk) 21:28, 8 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Aaah, didn't realise you meant the cells. That centering code doesn't work in most browsers and is pretty non-standard across templates on Wikipedia. I'll start a conversation on the Talk page about that centering effect. I'm a little surprised you reverted the whole thing, rather than just adding that centering back in, though… — OwenBlacker 21:32, August 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * To whit, I've started a conversation at Template talk:Interstates; please feel free to add your comments there :o) — OwenBlacker 21:42, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Boston Post Road images on Commons
I cleaned up the category Milestones after uploading an image myself. If there is an article with images under the category it's no use to have the those images in that same category, it will only slow down for people. Just wanted to inform you what I've been doing. /commons:User:Kdhenrik 19:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

B-road discussion
Please stop vandalizing votes and deleting paragraphs to entries related to the B-road discussion. It's not done.

I notice that you live in the US and as such have never seen any of those roads that you try so hard to include. Do take the word from those that live in .uk and find the idea bemusing. Pilatus 09:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Please stop vandalizing votes. I am bored. Pilatus 19:26, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Note left on WP:VIP. Pilatus 16:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Vanity links
Oops - I must have misphrased that.

I've now made Ontario provincial highway 58A redirect to Townline Tunnel, since it doesn't really make sense to have a separate article about it IMHO. (The 58A basically is the Townline Tunnel.) I included the 58A info on the Townline Tunnel page. As such, I figured two links to the same article, one redirecting, in direct neighbourhood aren't really necessary.

Let me know if that seems more reasonable to you.

Also, I'm not native in English, but isn't there only one approach on the west side, and another on the east? --qviri 18:30, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Explore highways
You should explore some select freeways, and expressways to obtain more knowledge about odd freeways and expressways with at-grade intersections. You should go to Nova Scotia to research the type of expressways the 100-series highways in that area are like.

You should also explore Ohio to research their so-called "odd freeways".

Anyway, you should page-move your talk page as an archive and start a blank one. --SuperDude 05:47, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

No personal attacks
Regarding your comment on Articles for deletion/New Hampshire Route 118,
 * Strong keep and ban the asshole deletionists. --SPUI (talk) 22:43, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Please do not make personal attacks on other contributors. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks.  Some users may remove personal attacks, and you may be banned from editing.  Comment on content, not on the contributor.  For further help, see  Wikipedia:Dispute resolution.  Thank you. Andrew_pmk | Talk 23:07, 12 September 2005 Sorry, I forgot to sign this. Andrew pmk | Talk 05:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I think the above was written by AndrewPmk. --Tony Sidaway Talk 23:56, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

First and only warning
That business on the road AfD was completely uncalled for. I'm watching and if there is any more nonsense I will block you for disruption. --Tony Sidaway Talk 23:56, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Deletionism is also uncalled for. But those assholes don't get blocked for the ultimate vandalism of deleting an article. --SPUI (talk) 00:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


 * He is starting again with that bad language in another of an article i nominated for deletion Articles for deletion/Queens Place Mall --Aranda56 23:20, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism/disruption block
You have been blocked for one hour for vandalising Articles for deletion/New Hampshire Route 118: see. --Carnildo 23:59, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Uh, one thing I forgot to tell you. Meet my friend Carnildo.  I voted for him at RFA. :) --Tony Sidaway Talk  00:03, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Meet my friend foot. I shoved him up your ass. :) --SPUI (talk) 00:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:UTAH SR-24.PNG
Oops....I missed that one. I created it from the atlas from the state of Utah.gov website.

The states' disclaimer:


 * COPYRIGHT LIMITATIONS - The State of Utah has made the content of certain pages of its Web sites available to the public. Anyone may view, copy, or distribute information found within these web pages (not including the design or layout of the pages) for personal or informational use without owing an obligation to the State if the documents are not modified in any respect, and unless otherwise stated on the particular materials or information to which a restriction on free use applies. The State makes no warranty, however, that the materials contained within these pages are free from copyright claims, or other restrictions or limitations on free use or display. The State disclaims any liability for the improper or incorrect use of information obtained from its Web sites.
 * Utah.gov Terms of Use

But, ...since I cropped it, and colored the other highways black, I GFDL the maps I have made.

WikiDon 10:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I read the statement. So, I took the un-altered image in its entirety, free, then I created, me, a new image with my computer, which I then GFDL. I am not citing Utah.gov as the source. WikiDon


 * It would only be a problem if:


 * 1) I cited Utah.gov as the source of an altered image

or


 * 2) The document was not free-use to begin with

WikiDon

It seems to me that Image:UTAH SR-12.PNG has exactly the same problems. Bob Palin 19:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Mr. SPUI and Mr. Palin:

How do I tag the image now:

"The State of Utah releases Don Burns, User:WikiDon, to alter its 'OfficialHighwayMap2005.pdf' document for informational and educational perposses only. The document can not be altered in a manner to distort or change factual information. But only use the alterations in a favorable light for highlighting specific geographical points of interest."

Letter forthcoming to:

ATTN: Copyright Release Wikimedia Foundation Inc. 204 37th Avenue North, Suite. 330 St. Petersburg, FL 33704

Nile Easton UDOT Public Information Officer 801-965-4387 Cell 801-673-7107

WikiDon 19:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

U.S. Highway 66
Thanks in advance for the map. I received several comments about this and I don't have a way to make one. I noticed you did some editing. Thanks for this, too. The Wikitravel article does have a complete route, the Springfield-St. Louis section is there, but it might be hard to find. I'll go ahead and leave it off, though, it seemed strange there, but I didn't know where else to put it. If you have the time, I would appreciate a second set of eyes going through it and seeing if anything else turns up. I would really like to see this become a featured article. Thanks again. Rt66lt 23:47, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:UTAH SR-24.PNG
Why did you recreate ? The licence listed there is for a PDF, not a PNG, and any file with that licence is a speedy candidate as it's "Used with permission". --fvw *  02:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I did not recreate it. The original deletion was in error, as it was deleted for no source the day after it was uploaded (without giving 7 days). The original uploader re-uploaded it. I'm still not sure the image is OK to have here, but it deserves discussion, not a speedy deletion. --SPUI (talk) 02:26, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's currently not got an associated image and is an orphan image info page, created by you. Maybe someone deleted it while you were modifying it? Anyway, the seven day wait isn't necessary here, as it's a "used with permission" licence uploaded after may 2005. See WP:CSD for more info. --fvw *  02:29, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Traffic Circles on AfD: White Horse Circle
Hey, this article is on AfD. You may want to vote on it.

Roodog2k (talk) 16:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

I-4
Question- I'm not the one who made the edit or anything, but ... you don't think the high amount of tourist traffic on I-4 through Orlando merits mention? JD 18:40, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Road guide on Wikibooks
You should remake a "What every driver must know" guide on Wikibooks. Just give it a shot. --SuperDude 17:13, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

List of California State Routes
Someone wants to convert this to a template so it wound up at Articles for deletion/List of California State Routes --Rschen7754 05:24, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Tempalte: WV Highways
The links are all messed up since they now link to the number one, for example. --Rschen7754 06:43, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

West Virginia Template
We got most of the state highways listed for WV. Template:WV Highways now just need to start expanding them more. User:Rschen7754 has been coming along behind me editing WV stuff. He should have been editing in his own back yard. List of California State Routes had Interstates and US Highways in it, and it was too long, so I fixed that for them by making Interstate Highways in California and US Highways in California. That was a no brainer split, since the title was California State Routes --71Demon 23:57, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I travel out there, so I don't have a problem editing. It is a good edit. Sucks about your vandalism. --71Demon 00:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Though honestly the split looks fine - sorry about my initial reaction. --SPUI (talk) 00:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Dude, I don't do vindictive. Not my style. I just hold people to the same standard. That List of California State Routes entry was way to big, loaded slow on my T-1.  Interstate Highways in California and US Highways in California was all in that same entry. It was alot worse. I did a similar split on West Virginia this past week. --71Demon 00:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

West Virginia State Highways and more
Your right on the numbering being wrong on all the WV routes, I saw it on the discussion. If you read the history most were correct and moved by Rschen7754 He means well, but he seems to be trying to make everything like California and California is kind of the oddball when it comes to legislation compared to the rest of the county. Must be a school project, his page says he is a High School Sophomore. That would make him 15 or 16, he is still learning, so I will cut him more slack than I was before.

I have to make a few more sheilds, and finish this. I got distracted, but I got the idea from the CA pages List of U.S. Highways in West Virginia. I also did the Interstate Highways in West Virginia --71Demon 23:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I-268 I just fixed it.
I had info you didn't. I was sitting in Paul Mattox's office when I was told by him it was going to be I-268. US 50 Association note the second name on the Mineral County list, replace with User:71Demon. I have a meeting in November again in Charleston with Paul Mattox and Joe Manchin. I'm pretty well connected. --71Demon 23:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * What did you do? That was a PITA to fix. --71Demon 23:17, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * http://www.wvdot.com/12_contacts/12_contacts.htm Note Division of Highways head. Note my edit references. --71Demon 23:32, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm moving it back to Interstate 268(Proposed) because that is what everybody local is now refering too. I have never even heard it refered to in DOH in Charleston as West Run. It is being put as an Interstate because of the PA Turnpike Shunpiking Route try ot increase traffic on I-79 south and I-68 for commerce.  The entry was created at Interstate 268(Proposed)--71Demon 23:38, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It was orginally created as Interstate 268(Proposed) I don't have a problem with a discussion taking place if you want to move it. I think that is fair.  --71Demon 23:43, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Most of the local newspapers require a subscription to get the archieved files which sucks. Because I send links out to politicians in the state on regular basis, and if they don't read them right away they can't see them.  I think discussion is fair if you want to move it from the orginal creation. Both of have better things to do than to have an edit war.  Had you created it, I would left it alone and dicuss it with you. When completed it will be I-268. Here in WV we refer to things by the numbers.  I-68 is the National Freeway, nobody calls it that.  It is just 68, 268 will be the same way.  Even the National Road is just refered to as 40.  Now down in DC people refer to the George Washington Parkway, and I couldn't tell you want the number is.  It is just how it is, at DOH in Charleston it is getting called 268  that is the name that will stick.  It is the way of the area.  Just like in California they call roads The 5 or The 405.  Back here we would just stay 405.  I called an accident to 911 in Fontana, CA on Interstate 15.  I called it I-15 and the dispatcher corrected me when she repeated it back and ask if I said The 15.  Trust me on this, I'm local and go out to Morganhole a good bit.  --71Demon 23:58, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The spelling errors occurred because I had to cut and paste to put it back. I made some mistakes on the cut and paste fixing it.  --71Demon 00:12, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the spelling errors. I'm not the worlds greatest speller never have been. Don't know anything about Drunski, except he says he lives in Morgantown.

I do have a question. I created the I-268 article, you had no discussion an moved it, so I moved it back. Why are you right and I'm wrong? I can understand if there was a discussion about moving it before you did, but me fixing it should have been a reason for you to start a discussion. Why are you treated better than me? --71Demon 00:44, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Corridor H
Your partially right on that. It has the Copyright tag, but I have a call into Brian Carr which is in planning at DOH for confirmation. I think it might just be something generic the webmaster puts on all pages. State had some hand outs with the exact same info, that were not copyrightes. I started to reword it so it is not a direct copy and to make you happy I think your holding a grudge. Try to bury the hatchet on other projects, can you lend a hand rewording? We both have the best interest in Highways in mind.

I still disagree with you on the I-268 deal intensely --71Demon 23:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Road stubs
All of the following made their way to WP:SFD:


 * Arizona State Route Stub
 * Kentucky State Highway Stub
 * Maryland-State-Highway-Stub
 * Massachusetts-State-Highway-Stub
 * Michigan-State-Highway-Stub
 * Missouri-State-Highway-Stub
 * Nevada-State-Highway-Stub
 * New-Hampshire-State-Highway-Stub
 * Nhroute
 * Washington-State-Highway-Stub

--Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Florida Bridge ID's
http://www.fgdl.org/ - GIS Data, contains bridge info. Unfortunately, no National Bridge Database info.. --Mcmillen76 03:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

A1A Alignment through KCS/CCAFS
SPUI, thought you should look at Talk:Florida State Road A1A. I put up a graphic of research of benchmarks that give indications to the former alignments of SR A1A.

--Mcmillen76 13:10, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Florida Road Maps
You said you had some maps, and to remind you in a few days. It's been a few days. --Mcmillen76 01:18, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

3rr warning
Please do not keep undoing other people's edits without discussing them first. This is considered impolite and unproductive. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. Thank you.--Doc ask? 00:19, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Blocked per the warnings above
You're blocked for 24 hours under 3rr on Articles for deletion/Interchanges on Ontario provincial highway 401. Believing it should be speedy kept is fine, but you have to respect the opinions of other editors. Karmafist 00:33, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Following your agreement not to do it again, I've unblocked. A word of advice: while I sympathize with your frustration at AFD, you should realize that a) revert wars get you nowhere, since everyone has the ability to revert back just as reasily as you revert, and b) the best way to effect a policy change like that is not disruption but discussion, like opening a policy consensus page on the category. I realize that may be unsatisfying advice, as its no guarantee that you get what you want (but I can't do anything about that). Also, in the future, it is much more prefereable to use email or your talk page to communicate and not a sockpuppet (or Sockenpuppe), since you are supposed to be blocked after all. By the way, I'm trusting that my good faith will be rewarded here... Dmcdevit·t 01:40, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Highway 401
I'm a bit surprised and dismayed that this is on the verge of deletion: Articles for deletion/Interchanges on Ontario provincial highway 401. To me, this is akin to throwing out information that is as valuable as spectroscopic data. You think it would be a good idea for you to userfy it, so that perhaps the information is saved somewhere? --HappyCamper 17:31, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

New Jersey State Highways
SPUI, was wondering if we could have your input at Talk:New Jersey State Highways. Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

SPUI, I would also appreciate your guidance in any changes neccessitated by the reformatting of the List of State Routes in New Jersey and the individual roadways. Feel free to divvy up the work or provide any pointers on what needs to be done. Alansohn 21:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Contender for Ugliest Cloverleaf Award
--Analogdemon (talk) 16:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Sheik Yerbouti
Interstate 165 --Analogdemon (talk) 03:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Interstate highway articles
Hi--I was just curious as to how the articles you tagged for cleanup are in need of cleanup. Please let me know and I'll try to fix them. Thanks Paul 14:41, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't believe cleanup is the appropriate tag for articles that need to be split. In fact, I think there's a tag used for the very purpose of splitting. If you get a chance, please change cleanup to the other tag instead. Best, Paul 14:46, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

State Highway templates
I disagree with your placing browse boxes on Interstates. What happens when we have Interstate 95 with 15 boxes? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * We have Browse State Highways on the routeboxint template- it is more compact, and it is universal among Interstates. Interstate 5 has an example. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  04:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Interstate 76 (east)
Could you please not remove the templates from that page? Per the WikiProject standards, they are supposed to be on the Interstate pages. If you have a problem with this, please take it to the WP talk page. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  01:13, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If you don't believe in the sections then could you discuss it at least? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  01:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * On either the WP talk page or the article talk page... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  01:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Talk:Interstate 76 (east) I'll explain why in a bit... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  01:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Overseas Highway edit. Why?
Why did you remove the from Overseas Highway? It looked fine to me. --rogerd 02:39, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

infobox
Stop editing for 3 minutes and I'll have it fixed for you. You're interupting me and screwing it up. -- Netoholic @ 20:00, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I could have addressed your default image size problem but, since you've decided to be a prick rather than accept my help, I'll let you be.    Don't ask for help fixing your pet template if you're not going to let people work on it.  -- Netoholic @ 20:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Not really. -- Netoholic @ 20:13, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Delaware, New Jersey
I had realized the edit was likely incorrect after the fact, but then I couldn't figure out what page I had edited. My apologies. Adding the Delaware in Warren County, New Jersey to the dab will help remind me that there is one other Delaware in New Jersey. Kudos again on all of your work on NJ's highways. Alansohn 00:10, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:UK A
Hi, two templates you created - UK A and UK B are up for deletion, your comments are welcome at: Templates for deletion. Thanks/wangi 11:02, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:NYC Hudson River crossings
Template:NYC Hudson River crossings has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Templates for deletion. Thank you. --Chris 16:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Bridges (again)
I'm hoping we can reach some sort of agreement about how bridges can be categorized. The discussion has been going on and on at Categorization and recently at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bridges. We last discussed this at User_talk:SPUI/random_road_stuff_archive. I see you've recently moved all the NYC toll bridges out of Category:Bridges in New York City. I want to move them all back, but before I do, I want to discuss this with you.

As I see it, the category hierarchy of toll bridges and the categoroy hierarchy of bridges by location serve different functions for different users. People interested primarily in bridges as structures (I put myself in this category) will be more likely to be using the bridges by location hierarchy. People more interested in using bridges as a means of transportation (I put you in this category) will more likely be interested in the hierarchy of toll bridges. I find it a bother to have to look at the toll bridges to see all the bridges in a specific location. While the discussion about category duplication is still going on, I'd like to propose a temporary and perhaps permanent solution to our disagreement:

I'd like to remove ALL toll bridge categories as subcategories of bridges by location. They would be totally separate hierarchies. Instead, I will manually add links between all the hierarchies. So the GW bridge will be in both Category:Bridges in New York City and Category:Toll bridges in New York City. Toll bridges in NYC will not be a subcategory of Bridges in NYC. Instead in the toll bridge category there will be the comment:
 * For ALL the bridges in New York City see: Category:Bridges in New York City

In the bridge category there will be the comment:
 * For JUST the toll bridges in New York City see: Category:Toll bridges in New York City

No duplications. Does this work for you? -- Samuel Wantman 01:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying to work this out with you. Can you say anything more than "seems like a bad idea?" Why? any other ideas how we can coexist? I find separating out briges because they are toll bridges to be a very bad idea. -- Samuel Wantman 01:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * How about deleting the toll bridges cat and putting all of its members in the parents? This would of course involve three separate categories - toll bridges in New York, bridges in NYC and toll roads in NYC (if the latter exists). Having articles in both a category and its parent is just bad for maintenance. You argument could be easily extended - what if someone wants to know about bridges in the U.S. in general? Should we not put all those bridges in Category:Bridges in the United States? --SPUI (talk | don't use sorted stub templates! ) 02:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not following you. What is it you are proposing? My proposed solution above does not have articles in a category and its parent because the toll bridges would no longer be a subcategory of the bridges by location. They would just be manually linked. This should make it clear to anyone doing maint.

BTW, I'm all for hierarchies and having useful subcategories in hierarchies. But just because two hierarchies are related, and one happens to be a subset of the other, that shouldn't mean that the duplication rule should hold. If there isn't subcategories for all members of a category, and the subcategory is not related to the organization of the hierarchy (it is by location, not by toll), and some siblings only belong in the parent, then I think all the siblings should be listed. Otherwise it is awkward and confusing. -- Samuel Wantman 02:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually it would not be at all obvious - if I am editing a page and see at the bottom Category:A and Category:A in B, I will assume A in B is a subcategory of A and remove A. --SPUI (talk | don't use sorted stub templates! ) 02:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

You forgot about this and didn't notice a problem for nine months. I always check to see how categories are related before removing them, and I hope others do as well. It is mostly you and I and perhaps cacophony and a few others who notice these things. I'm certainly going to be watching an notice when things get changed. That is what happened this time. The category world at Wikipedia is imperfect. I'm trying to straighten some of this out so it makes more sense for users. Have you read the recent conversations about this at Categorization? The reality is that there is no norm and duplications happen all the time. Unless we make it clear when duplications make sense, or come up with some other solution (like the links I propose above), this problem will continue to suck huge amounts of time from those of us who categorize. -- Samuel Wantman 03:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I am also in support of the duplicate categorization for bridges by location. The real value of Category:Bridges in New York is being able to see all the bridges in New York in one page and subcategories muddy the water.  I would say that Cat:Bridges in the United States is too broad, and that is better suited as a list of bridges in the United States.  I would also argue that Cat:Toll bridges in NYC is too specific.  My experiences with Wikipedia is that, generally, templates work best for identifying groups of 3-20 articles, categories work best for 20-100 articles, and lists work best for 100+ articles.  But of course, the breadth of topics on Wikipedia makes it impossible for one standard to apply across the board.  These things are going to have to be discussed subject by subject.  Cacophony 04:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Lowery Hill Tunnel
First of all, you dont have to be a jackass, and when your wrong, it makes you look stupid. The specified directions in the contents of this caption are proper nouns, which means they are capitalized. Second of all, two directions separated by a slash, such as North/West, means North by West, or Northwest. In this caption, i was convenying that, although i was traveling North, i was in the West bound lane of interstate 94. So, that is the difference i was trying to convey. I dont want to get into an editing war over something as stupid as this, so please dont change something which you have absolutly no knowledge about. Thank you.--Gephart 07:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Deletion of "Pittsburgh Interstates" Infobox
You claim it is unneccessary? Why may I ask? Seems to me that it is extremely useful information, unless of course we are limiting that type of knowledge on wiki. Please explain your reasoning, I am honestly curious why A) I am breaking a policy of wiki or B) the vast majority would rather not see that information on local interstate spurs. Thank you in advance. Hholt01 08:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Pittsburgh Interstates followup
SPUI, thanks for the response, my original idea was a general lightrail/port/air/auto infobox, though the port and lightrail was not as detailed at the time to link to. In the coming weeks I'll see if I can put it back to its original form with expanded lightrail & port, possibly airport. If you have any suggestions I'd love the input over at the template:Pittsburgh_Transportation page. I will agree with you that in it's current form it is not "complete" so I'll hold off adding it back to the pages until it is filled out some more. Thanks for the input. Hholt01 08:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Milestone image
Thanks, man. By the way, I've never actually been in Rhode Island. Neutralitytalk 05:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Interstate 76 (east)
Greetings from Mediation Cabalist, Steven McCrary, I hope this message finds you well. Thanks and Happy New Year, Steven McCrary 15:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) I have posted a response to request for mediation at Mediation_Cabal/Cases/29_12_2005_Interstate_76_%28east%29, and respectfully request that you read and then respond to any relevant issue that I may have overlooked, as appropriate.
 * 2) I am issuing a warning to you regarding violation of Wikipedia policy on edit wars. Please be aware of the policy.

Hello again SPUI, Thanks for your considered response. I share your frustration with some of Wikipedia's policy. But, if needed, get involved with changing the template, if possible. I also notice that you are a fan of the f*** word. I hope it serves you well, but I generally find such words fail to accurately communicate our real meaning, since their meaning need disambiguation. I posted another response to your concern on the Mediation Cabal page. Good luck. Steven McCrary 17:17, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

NJ S-5
Thanks for the note. The e-mail on the bergenroads site is indeed dead; I'm surprised the site is still there as I've been off AOL since May. I need to do some revisions and post it elsewhere.

The way it looks on the map on Jimmy & Sharon Williams' site, and it's tough to tell thanks to resolution, 1 was to follow the current US 46 to Fort Lee, then head down 4 to Englewood (current junction of 4 and 93?) and follow current 501 to the state line (and presumably become NY 340, as 501 does). Except that 6 does something different on this map. Instead of running through Palisades Park the way it was eventually built, it was out along NJ 93 and then followed Fort Lee Road (Bergen CR 56) to Fort Lee. As you noted, S-5 on this map looks like it runs along the existing 1, whereas 1 took Shaler Blvd (CR 31) into Palisades Park and then picked up the current US 46. (Bergen Blvd, 63, is a separate highway.)

It does appear that 5/6 would use old 10 (current CR 124) to get from Ridgefield Park to Grand Ave, originally on Edgewater Ave and eventually on Hendricks Causeway over the new bridge.

I might be over the Hendricks Causeway bridge tomorrow, but I believe it's been rebuilt and so there would be no markings. That US 1/9 / CR 50/124 mess has been reconfigured in the last couple years into a signalized interchange rather than the disaster of a traffic circle it used to be.

Why the legislature had S-5 crossing the Northern Railroad is beyond me. Perhaps they meant to say it would connect with 5 at the overpass of the Northern Railroad. There almost can't be a through S-5; it would end at 5. Then again, this is the New Jersey legislature we're talking about.

Happy New Year! BTW, you can check out http://mysite.verizon.net/charliez/ for the rest of my site. CharlieZeb 23:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Interstate 73
Vast improvement. On behalf of our state, thanks. BTW, knowing your love of details, I recently caught wind (in a VDOT publication) of a State Highway numbered 785 in Danville which is supposedly numbered as part of a future Interstate scheme. Assuming the numbering scheme is consistent with VA interstate highways, this is the first I had heard of anything related to potential expansion of the I-85 corridor and spurs, etc. in Virginia. That area is outside of the eastern regions of the state I attempt to follow more closely. Mark Vaoverland 00:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Interstate 785


 * Thanks. I should have known you would already be on it. You never cease to amaze me. Mark Vaoverland 00:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

US Highway to US Route
Hi, Just wondering why you're moving US Highway articles to US Route headings. I was under the impression we'd decided they stay at US Highway because that is their official designation.Gateman1997 19:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I had noticed that. The thing I also noticed is that if we're going to follow that then all interstate articles should be "Interstate Route XX". However I would oppose that on the basis that is not the name most commonly referenced for Interstates just as "US Route XX" is the less commonly referenced name. US Highways are much more commonly referred to as "US Highway XX" and as such should be titled by that name per Wikipedia guidelines. We can create redirects for the "US Route XX" pages.Gateman1997 19:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm still not sure I'd agree with that geographic assessment as the NW, West, and NE all use US Highway in my experience. However if we're going to go with Route then all the things that link to Highway need to be changed to fix the overload of redirects that now exist such as all the userboxes on the CA Highway project...Gateman1997 20:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Road redirects
Hi SPUI - I came across a speedy indicated by you in Alternate US Highway 98 which redirects to Florida State Road 30, but I don't understand the reasoning behind the speedy request. What does it mean when you say "more of these exist"? Is it that the redirect does not correspond to the correct highway? --HappyCamper 03:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, done that one. Thanks! --HappyCamper 03:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

FL stub
Sorry about that. I'll use the bot to fix it. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  07:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Interstate-275 (Florida) image
Hi. Just wondering about the images you added to Interstate 275 (Florida). Are they both showing up for you? In my IE browser, the first image (the PNG of the shield) shows as a broken image. It's broken if I hit Ctrl-F5, it's broken in preview, it's broken if I select "Show Picture". If I edit and remove the size parameter and then preview, it finally shows up. Ever heard of that problem? Maybe it has the wrong extension? I've seen IE freak out when that occurs. &mdash;Wknight94 (talk) 12:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's odd. Well, hopefully you don't mind but I've removed it for now since it's highly cheesy as a broken image.  &mdash;Wknight94 (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

It's a broken thumbnail, changing from 150px to 151px generated a different (and working) one. --cesarb 21:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Just reported this as 4722. -- Paddu 13:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Lincoln Highway Between Princeton and Trenton, NJ
Yo. Check this shit:.

Mercer Street heads southwest along US 206 and becomes Princeton Pike. It rejoins US 206 at the rotary where the Lincoln Highway would have changed over to Princeton Avenue then Calhoun Street. Is it possible that the Lincoln Highway originally went down Mercer Street and Princeton Pike instead of using US 206? It seems logical since Princeton Pike goes straight into Princeton Avenue at that rotary. I guess it depends on whether or not current US 206 even existed back in the 1910s. What say you? --Analogdemon (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Interstate 76 (east)
Please stop reverting this and I-4. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  00:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What happened to the mediation cabal discussion? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  03:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

State Road articles
What makes a great Florida State Road article? Do we want photographs? History? Explanations? I just drove down from Orlando, vastly improved the Okeechobee County, Florida groups of articles.  &#08492;  astique &#09660;  par &#08467; er  &#09829;  voir  &#09809;  04:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Interstate shields
I just wanted to let you know that a couple of the Interstate shields you submitted recently apparently didn't upload cleanly. Notably, I-66 and I-78 show up blank on Wiki and send Firefox into fits when it tries to render it directly. Could you kindly fix those.

Also, given your expertise, would it be possible for you to craft a few Business Interstate shields? Perhaps this link here will help you show which Interstates have Business routes. --WhosAsking 06:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I tried refreshing and using the "purge" action. It still does the same thing. It works in Opera and in IE (to a point). This appears to be a Firefox issue. If that's so, I'll relay it to Mozilla. Thank you for your prompt reply, though.


 * You probably already know this, SPUI, but if you don't, they're on the next two pages of SHS 3-2 and 3-3 under M1-2 and M1-3. --Chris 20:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

SVG interstate shields
really first-class work. I have no idea how you do it. I mean, when I saw that Template:3di was changed, I was like, no way, this shouldn't be changed until there are SVG's of all of them. But there are. Simply amazing (btw, you forgot to change Template:3di2 (the one for 76, 84, 86, and 88), but I took care of it). You must have used a bot with a script to generate all of them, right? If you didn't then you're an extremely hard worker (even when such repetitive work is unnecessary). Again, good job. Do you have plans for those with state names? MUTCD (not SHS; there's no mention of state names I could find in SHS) says they can have state names, but does not make it clear how, so the best way would be to use M1-2/M1-3 dimensions and obviously replace SPUR and LOOP with the state names. I was going to, but you are clearly a million times faster than me. Aside from that, I suggest that for those which exist in multiple states (like I-88 for instance is in New York only in the east and someplace else in the west), you keep Image:Interstate 88.svg and make something like Image:Interstate 88 (New York).svg or Interstate 88 (NY).svg. Anyway, let me know whether you want to do it or not; I'd be happy to make a template based on your 2di and 3di SVGs if you don't feel like it. --Chris 20:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Were you planning on making those buisness shields? (If you are, I can just base them right off those, since then all I'd have to do is change the text and color) Or perhaps just a template SVG for state names (with the text as text, rather than converted to paths)? I'm willing to do them, but I'd figured it would be a waste if you already have one in the works. --Chris 21:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you mind posting one 2di shield and one 3di shield with the text as text (the #s and INTERSTATE), rather than being MediaWiki-friendly? Although they wouldn't work in any Wikipedia article, they would really help me with making state name shields. Thanks.
 * Oh OK, no problem. I just found a state 3di that I had practically finished and uploaded it (see I-678). I'm not quite sure why I made a 3di shield before a 2di one. Anyway, I can probably just work with yours (to make 2di shields w/ state names), removing the #s and then inserting new ones. (I guess I would have to at least modify it anyway to shrink it down to the M1-2/3 spec) INTERSTATE need not change. --Chris 04:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * On those in multiple states, I'd say absolutely not. Interstate 95 should absolutely not have a shield with state name. PERHAPS Interstate 95 in New Jersey. I don't see what's wrong with them on intrastate Interstates. As for those that have one "half" in just one state (Like Interstate 88 (east)) or 3dis that there are more than one of (I-295), then care must be taken to ensure that Image:Interstate 88.svg has no state, but Interstate 88 (east) could use Image:Interstate 88 (New York).svg. But yeah, definetly not 15 different shields on I-95, since it's an interstate Interstate. I don't see a problem with I-4 or I-H-201 (or any hawaiian ones for that matter) displaying a state name. It certianly makes it clearwhich state it's in. I'm not about to replace every one possible yet, though; the ones I'm doing now are trials. --Chris 18:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I just made a 2di shield template thing with the text-as-text, entirely based on yours (it should look identical on any system with the fonts). --Chris 19:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)\

OK, I won't do that anymore. Instead, I'll put links to the ones with state names (like 678 is now). Now my question is: how do I get these into the infoboxes? --Chris 13:50, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

14th Street (Washington, D.C.)
Re: your cleanup tag. In what way was is the article unclear? I think its pretty obviously about the western 14th St. How would you recommend changing it? -- D.M. (talk) 23:58, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * You wrote, "The problem is that the article talks about both 14th Streets, when it should be split into separate articles about each." I don't think that's necessary, especially considering that there's very little that's notable about the eastern portion. Technically, there's four 14th streets, one for each quadrant. The streets are separate but related. (Any future discussion on this topic should go on the article's talk page so others can take part.) --[[Image:Flag of Washington, D.C..svg|30px]] D.M. (talk) 00:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

16th Street
Putting a note at the top of the page saying "See 16th Street West" strongly implies that such a page exists. There's nothing wrong with putting a link in the body of the page, though. I'd be annoyed if seeing that as a reader I clicked on it only see "page does not exist."

16th St SE and 16th St NE are separate streets which are numbered seperately even though they are contiguous. How would you name such an article? You could call it "16th Street (east)" or "16th Street Northeast and Southeast" or you or you could have 2 different articles or you could merge all the articles into a single "16th Street (Washington, D.C.)" article. (I recommend the last option.) Would you have separate articles for 7th Street and Georgia Ave? There's strong arguments on both sides but we don't need to decide such things until there's something worth writing about on these streets. -- D.M. (talk) 01:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I-74 in Cincinnati
Before they were shelved, did the plans for the I-74 extension in Ohio call for 74 to be built through Cincinnati on a new alignment, or was it just going to go south on I-75 then east on I-275 to a to-be-built freeway? --Analogdemon (talk) 20:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)