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Administrators' newsletter - February 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.

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 * A discussion to workshop proposals to amend the administrator inactivity policy at Wikipedia talk:Administrators has been in process since late December 2016.
 * Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
 * Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.

Technical news
 * When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
 * Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
 * The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.

Obituaries
 * JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

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Moglix Deleted Page Content Requirement
Hi, As per my conversation with wiki moderator salvidrim, I was told that i can get the content of a deleted wiki page from a number of wiki moderators. Can i get the content of 'Moglix" wiki page, which has been deleted?

Im new on wikipedia kindly help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SiddharthSanger231091 (talk • contribs) 07:25, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians who contribute to DMOZ has been nominated for discussion
Category:Wikipedians who contribute to DMOZ, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. – S. Rich (talk) 04:40, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Cascading protection on project-space scripts
Back in 2007, you fully protected a bunch of js scripts, but you also cascade protected them, so that any template transcluded on that page would also be protected. I can't think of a reason this is needed now, especially since many of these are likely out of date. I know you're not super active these days, so would I be fine in removing cascade protection but leaving full protection? Cheers, ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 15:52, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 * can you dump a list at WP:IANB? This sounds like a backdoor past script protection may be open? — xaosflux  Talk 16:10, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I can when I get back, sure, but I think you're thinking of issues around T171563? ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 16:59, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Bot Approvals Group inactivity notice
Hi ST47,

Please see Wikipedia_talk:Bot_Approvals_Group regarding our new activity requirements based on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=874067212#Should_BAG_members_have_an_activity_requirement? recent RFC]. This will impact your BAG membership, unless you meet the activity requirements in the next 7 days. SQL Query me! 00:56, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prior service in WP:BAG, per the inactivity policy you have been moved to the retired roster. Should you wish to participate in BAG in the future, please feel free to reapply at Wikipedia talk:Bot Approvals Group. Best regards, —  xaosflux  Talk 17:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

J. Mahendran
The news is true, and a source has been added. Perhaps you could unprotect the page now at least so that others can expand upon it. -- Kailash29792 (talk)  03:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, done. ST47 (talk) 03:40, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

User
Hi ST47! I hope you're having a great day and that life is going well for you! I'm leaving you a message to let you know that I've extended the block that you placed on to a duration of two weeks due to repeated incivility and for making personal attacks toward other editors. The user's follow up comment here is what prompted me to take action. I just wanted to let you know so that you're aware. If you have any questions, concerns, objections, or issue with the change I made to the user's block duration, please let me know (ping me) and I'll be happy to discuss it with you. I doubt that you'll have any issue with this, but I figured I'd let you know just in case you do. :-) Cheers -  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   10:16, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry!
Put the db request on the wrong page. Thanks for the quick response.StillWife (talk) 02:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem! ST47 (talk) 02:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

this is going in my humor page
Busy revertin' vandalism -- Thegooduser  Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 02:58, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Misdirected about paasi caste on wikipidia
Pls upadat pasi information Adolf bijili (talk) 04:14, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Ron Kulpa
Thank you for protecting that Ron Kulpa article. I was just heading over to drop the request, but I saw you already handled it. 76.114.227.101 (talk) 03:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem! Kept seeing it come across recent changes and figured blocks alone weren't going to do much good. ST47 (talk) 23:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

A pie of thanks

 * No problem! I'm not really sure what his beef with you was, but if you vandalize AIV, you're gonna get blocked ;) ST47 (talk) 00:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

FYI
You might want to reset or reinstall your version of Huggle, as it's leaving blank edit summaries. You are far from the first one to have this issue, but I don't know what causes it. Home Lander (talk) 01:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Good to know, I'll give it a shot. Thanks! ST47 (talk) 01:36, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like one of these settings was the problem. ST47 (talk) 01:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , interesting... and those settings were apparently generated by the program itself? Strange. Home Lander (talk) 01:44, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I certainly can't think of any reason why I would have blanked those settings. They were either there by default, or they got changed automatically at some point. ST47 (talk) 01:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Article Greeks in Albania
Hello. I genuinely do not understand what you mean by "your own point of view". I am referring to the official statistics of the Republic of Albania, as well as to another reliable resource by an international minority protection organization. The numbers I wrote in the edited version of the article are supported by various (Albanian and international) sources. --D92AL (talk) 23:48, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * What various sources? I read the census you cited. I don't see how you can delete three sources that say 200,000, replace them with one source that says 24,000, and pretend there's no controversy. ST47 (talk) 23:54, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I think those numbers are important; you asked for the sources. Please do not edit the article by deleting my sources. --D92AL (talk) 03:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I haven't deleted your sources or your numbers, I moved them to a more appropriate place within the paragraph and slightly rephrased the sentence. Why did you revert here? ST47 (talk) 03:04, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, and uh, by the way,, you've violated WP:3RR:
 * 22:41, 4 April 2019
 * 23:04, 4 April 2019
 * 23:23, 4 April 2019
 * 02:59, 5 April 2019
 * So, I think you should consider undoing your last revert. I'm certainly open to my text being corrected or to additional sources being added, but I think you believe I was removing your figure here, and I really wasn't. ST47 (talk) 03:18, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

The CheckUser Magic 8-Ball
I have seen your comment on the Feckner SPI and thought that I should clarify how CUs use the various templates. Basically, since CUs are bound by the privacy policy and, so, cannot reveal too much, we have started using those standard responses, which go from unlikely to technically indistinguishable, to communicate the results of our analysis. Most of those simply mean what it says on the tin: "unlikely" means that it is unlikely that the accounts are operated by the same person; "possible" means that it is possible that the accounts are operated by the same person, but the CU is not strong enough for us to say whether it is likely or not and, so, it is necessary to rely mainly on behavioural evidence; then you have "possilikely" (which is a bit more than possible, but still less than likely) and "likely", where the evidence is getting stronger; and, finally, "confirmed" and "technically indistinguishable", where the evidence is the strongest (although this still does not mean that sock puppetry is certain, because CU is a flawed tool). "Inconclusive" is used when CU is useless, for instance because the user is using a proxy. I hope this was useful; best, Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It is, thanks! ST47 (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Bridge Back to Life
That IP editor is really messing up that article. Just a heads up that I will try and return it to the previous state before they came along. No doubt they are connected to the previous coatrack issues. Thank you for your recent reverts of their handiwork.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem! I was checking to see if the block of text they had added was a copyvio, but it doesn't appear to be. It is remarkably similar to the deleted content of Draft:Russell Surasky, the contributors to which have generally been blocked for either undisclosed paid editing, or for socking. While I was typing, I saw him remove the template again, so I've blocked the IP for the remainder of the AfD discussion. If we get more IP socks, we can semi-protect, and we should probably salt if the AfD closes as delete. ST47 (talk) 04:14, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I saw that... but they are back!!! Check the page. Hilarious. Thank you for your efforts.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow, and a sleeper too! Wonder how many more they've got waiting. ST47 (talk) 04:20, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I am a bit shocked at how professional they are. The edit comments are scarily professional, but usually false. It is obviously part of some kind of business, as they seem to know the rules to a degree. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

Administrator changes
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:57, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

The "known troll" whom I had reported to SPI by mistake
Sorry for mistakenly believing that the troll's accounts were sockpuppets of the user I reported to. I knew that something was up when I saw the damage done in the history, but thought that the damagers were of the SPI master. It appears that I was wrong, however.

With that in mind, what are some "warning signs" of trolls like that so that I can avoid getting fooled by them in the future? Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 23:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, you were right that they were sockpuppets. If anything, remember that when going to WP:SPI, you need to already have evidence that they are the same person. Since those accounts had all edited multiple different SPI cases, and some at AIV as well, there's really no evidence linking them to that particular SPI case. As for the guys at Sockpuppet investigations/Douglaseivindhallgerber who you had reported under the IP, there's a search box at WP:SPI (at the bottom of the infobox) that you can use to search for relevant search terms or accounts that are relevant to the accounts you're looking at.
 * Really though, if you have a group of sockpuppets that are still active, but don't know what the master is, then just submit them under the oldest account. If someone else knows, they'll move it. I don't think anyone has all the archives of WP:LTA and WP:SPI memorized, you'll learn to recognize certain users over time. ST47 (talk) 00:14, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Apology and explaination
Dear ST47, I do apologize for thinking that you where a bot, I misread your bio and because of the nature of your name I said those things. Also wait like a day. There are a lot more sources than what the last guys covered and the song does certainly meet notability criteria with the media attention both Felix and the diss track have gotten loads of attention over the last couple of months and are worthy of their own article.BMO4744 (talk) 02:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem, but let's keep the discussion in one place on your talk. ST47 (talk) 02:47, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Tim Hinely
Hello ST47, it was suggested that I write an article on Tim Hinely, by the nominator of the deletion for Dagger; "perhaps a sensible solution would be to write an article about that person, cut down the article on the zine to reasonable proportions, and make that a section in the article on Hinely." Until then, a redirect to Blurt (magazine) suffices links from articles that use Dagger and Tim Hinely. - NorthPark1417 (talk) 03:31, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Your activity
Hi ST47, I don't believe we've ever met. I see that after being mostly absent for the last years, you've come back with a vengeance. Mostly I see you at SPI (my home away from home) and at ANEW (a board I look at occasionally). So, welcome back and I'd like to particularly thank you for your work at SPI. We can always use patrolling administrators.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah, I finally gathered up enough interest to start getting involved again. Trying to get the hang of all of the new processes and other changes ;) ST47 (talk) 15:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. When you close an SPI, as you did on a couple, it's better to put a comment in the body of the SPI itself, not in the edit summary, and you're not really "recommending" closure - you are closing. The closures themselves were fine, btw.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, will do! I thought I was "recommending" in the sense that a Clerk would eventually come along and confirm that everything was handled, though? Just trying to get some of the cases that are finished off of the dashboard ;) ST47 (talk) 23:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * A clerk will come along and make sure everything's good before archiving. On a related matter, when you take action and you're done, you can then close. I just closed two you had dealt with, but you could/should have done so.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:47, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

VirnetX
Hello ST47, I have no affiliation whatsoever with VirnetX and I am not being paid to promote a topic. I am an engineer understands patents, technology and that there are folks in the media portraying people as "patent trolls" when in fact most are not. I spend a few hours of my time cleaning up Wikipedia articles that contain these subjective opinions and removing them. In the case of VirnetX, the company actually produces a product, it is available for download in the App store and google play store. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patent Facts (talk • contribs) 00:54, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

French city
It's normal in French, according to my understanding, to include an apostrophe between a contracted L and the rest of the word (i.e. "l'artiste", "l'arc"), etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:132:B08A:0:C816:8AF1:87EA:A788 (talk) 04:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This is regarding Lannoy, Nord. The two links on the page call it "lannoy", so we would need you to provide a source (not your opinion) of why the change should be made. ST47 (talk) 04:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

User and IP
Hey to follow up on this Sockpuppet investigations/Mikbenu. The user has edited from the IP and the user account since your message. Recently their edits to Dean Ambrose, Goldust and List of WWE personnel really annoyed me, as they are their own speculation (at best), but more accurately would be calling it a deliberate factual errors. I googled the subjects and no such signings has been announced. Yet they insist in the edit summary that they are adding a fact. StaticVapor message me!   23:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

copyvio
Hello, this is what I wrote to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Onel5969, but since I did not get any reply and you followed their recommendations, I write the same thing to you: "In the article Algae DNA barcoding, you have removed certain parts claiming that they are plagiarizing an article in PLoS ONE. PLoS ONE is the world's largest scientific journal and all publications in PLoS ONE are licensed under creative commons. In the publication of concern for this Wikipedia article it is described as: 'This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited.'. If the article is cited (as in this entry), would it still be impossible to 'closely paraphrase' the material, as you claim was done and was your reason for removing the text and ask for deletion of the revision?" Olle Terenius (UU) (talk) 14:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello! Did you see my reply on the article talk page? To summarize: I think it would be possible if the source is properly attributed. This requires more than just a citation but rather a proper attribution, probably using Template:OA-attribution - though given that you only want to use a couple of sentences, fully rephrasing the information in your own words might be better? ST47 (talk) 18:38, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for slow responding. I'm not the one making the edit, but question whether the removal of all revisions by Vedu888 who started the page is justified if it is only the mode of attribution of a couple of sentences that is different from how you view it. Now the attribution to Vedu888 for all the work put into creating the article is removed. Reading the template you refer to, it seems that all Wikipedia articles that are referring to articles in PLoS ONE and other open access journals should have this template. Or? Olle Terenius (UU) (talk) 19:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, there's a difference between a reference and an attribution. If we read a PLoS ONE article and use that knowledge to write, in our own words, some part of a Wikipedia article, then citing the source as a typical reference is enough. There's no copyright concern if we don't copy anything. But if we're using verbatim text from a PLoS ONE article, then we need to use the attribution template, which goes one step further than a reference, it says not only did we refer to this article, but we actually are using text copied from it. I'd imagine that most articles citing PLoS ONE are only using it as a source, not using verbatim text. ST47 (talk) 01:33, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

TB
Hi ST47, I noticed that there was a response to your question at Sockpuppet investigations/Abdelkader123456 as of 4 days ago. Just wanted to drop you a line in case you missed it and didn't want to use the talk back template. -- The SandDoctor Talk 03:00, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, thanks for the heads up. Not much I can do to action that, though, since I'm not an SPI clerk - at some point, a clerk will come along and merge the two cases. The specific IP reported there hasn't edited in a week, so I'm not likely to block it, and there isn't much from the /48 range either. I will leave a comment on the SPI to that effect, though, thanks! ST47 (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Recent Revert
A little confused by your recent revert on this page. Not in any way trying to re-write history. I'm attempting to hide the personal information contained on that page and, given that the last incident listed there was from several years ago, I don't see any reason to keep it up. I'm trying to remove any reference to my old account name so that I can leave the site entirely without someone being able to connect it to my personal life. User:Renamed user 2423tgiuowf 00:20, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your MfDs on both the SPI and the archive. Don't put them there again. If you want to eliminate them, I suggest you e-mail the functionaries list and make your case there.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:18, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I was told to add the MfDs to those pages by another user. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. User:Renamed user 2423tgiuowf 00:20, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Sock tagging
Hi,

With this edit, I assume you meant to tag User:Comieurt, but got caught by the redirect? Adam9007 (talk) 22:48, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep, that must have been it. I'm guessing that Twinkle actually followed the redirect, but I can't be sure. Thanks for the quick fix! ST47 (talk) 22:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circular
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My page was deleted
Hello,

Yesterday you deleted my page "More Facts about Music Therapy" and I was trying to move my sandbox live into Wikipedia. I was trying to move it to the article "Music Therapy" because I was adding to it, but I don't know how to add my article to that. Can you please help me? That was all of my work for this semester and it's due by monday.

Kmr104 (talk) 12:31, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Kmr104
 * I didn't delete it, I moved it back to your sandbox at User:Kmr104/sandbox. You can't create an article named "Music Therapy--Kmr104". That's not the proper name for an article. There already is an article called Music therapy, I know that you know that because you've already edited it. If you have any new information to add on the topic, you should edit that article. But make sure you aren't duplicating anything that already exists in the article, and make sure you're following the WP:MOS. ST47 (talk) 16:48, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
I got scared that all of my stuff was deleted so thank you for clearing that up! Kmr104 (talk) 16:52, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)
ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)