User talk:S h i v a (Visnu)/Archive (One)

Linking
According to WP:OVERLINK, "Items that would be familiar to most readers of the article, such as the names of major geographic features and locations, historical events, religions, languages, and common professions." The United States and Japan are major geograpic locations that most readers know of and therefore don't need to be linked. In addition, the reader can easily navigate to the U.S. article through the Maryland article. As for World War II and Pearl Harbor, I am undecided on the importance of the linking those terms. However, Sandy is a very experienced editor, and I would trust her judgement. Also, please do not link dates as it is against the Manual of Style, the accepted style guide of Wikipedia. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * India is another of those commonly known places that doesn't need to be linked. If readers really want to get to the India article, then they can use the search box or go through the Mumbai article. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This is actually a rather controversial idea (what to link). I suggest you see the discussions at WT:OVERLINK, WT:MOSLINK, and make comments there. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:India
I approve your India page edits. Thanks! --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 14:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) 15:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see my response here. We can continue the discussion there itself instead of individual user talk pages. -- GP Pande  talk!  15:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

MoS edits
Apropos this, we do not wikify dates anymore or demonyms (Indian) and names of countries any more. Please could you undo your edits? Thanks! =Nichalp  «Talk»=  19:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * As you requested, I removed my edits, although I admit that to me this policy is a bit strange. Btw, I wouldn't take offense if you chose to remove my edits yourself. S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) 20:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The policy is to avoid linking low value links since they are distracting to a user. I was about to log off for the day, and thought I'd inform you about the policy change so that you could undo it in other places if you done it there too. Cheers! =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

India edits
Its okay, although typically you would wait for input from more than one editor. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 01:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats a given, except my point is that the discussion had been open for 2-3 days and none of the edits significantly altered the article. It couldn't be helped if nobody else wished to comment - the principle person who raised the question was satisfied. S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) 02:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, even I also did not offend you but if you are offended someway I am sorry. By saying you manipulated the statement starting the debate I was just describing the events as they happened. This is just to give others a clear picture of what has happened instead of each one doing his own individual research. I have listed my points clearly 1 by 1.
 * Now, coming to the point of doing the edits. As I mentioned twice in my message, I never wanted this discussion/debate to get any kind of limelight. Reason: India page is one of most watched/edited/debated/vandalized/moved towards bias page for India project. Debates usually get out of hand and then get into RfC or mediation or arbitration. One live example is about the kannada telugu language debate currently going on and you can feel the heat there. So, my decision of going ahead with the edit was simple, keep it short and non-controversial. Also your objections had been taken care in some format (as seen from the statements I have posted today in green box). I had even provided multiple explanations for them. However, you seem to have taken this further to individual talk pages of f&f and nichalp. Fine, no qualms. Yes, incremental improvement is way of life and so is on WP.
 * Now coming to point that thread was open and accepted by KHP2 after which I pitched in. Well, till the thread gets archived automatically all threads are open. So I am not late but just on time.
 * I am no more editing the article and I am waiting for nichalp's response. I am civil and respect your gentleman nature too. Just hoping that this thread does not blow out of the roof and get into ugly processes like RfC or mediation. If you have any counter arguments to points I have laid down feel free to comment.
 * Also, consider channeling your energies to some of the child articles so that they can be even upgraded to higher classes. We need people who do that. FA articles are taken care automatically. -- GP Pande  talk!  20:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Your reply is a bit strange. How does it accurately describe the events as they happened by accusing me of manipulating the statement? We were in the middle of the debate and my objections were not taken care of - I did not venture to think that KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 was okay with my edits until he said so. I simply asked User:Fowler&fowler and User:Nichalp to weigh in to help us resolve the points as it was obvious we were dead-locked. Why say "However, you seem to have taken this further to individual talk pages of f&f and nichalp." when you yourself say that the thread was is open until archived? I welcomed your participation in the debate even after KHP2 had agreed. My talk with him was 2-3 days old. I restored my edit based on KHP2's agreement and the elapse of a respectful amount of time - and when you had not commented yet. When you joined in later, I was only willing to work with you. But you overrode the whole discussion by putting your version in.


 * Please keep things in perspective - it is hardly useful to mention the Kannada/Telegu debate when at the same time, we were talking most productively and respectfully. There was no heat in our talk. I did not revert your edit nor was I rude to you - I didn't find your action respectful, but I would never go beyond discussion. So let's just focus on resolving this issue and improving the article with the help of others. S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok now this is getting too long. I have already said that it was not my intention to offend you and have apologized if I have done so. What else do you expect? By saying, you went door to door asking more people to weigh in I meant that you were taking the thread to people who were other wise neutral/not interested. This is another way of escalating the things which I said I have been trying to avoid. The reference to language discussion was just an example. That has no relation with me coming in late. It is good you did not get into edit-war but all this surrounding discussion(on the individual talk pages) is also not pretty. As I have mentioned, I have listed down my points and your counter arguments are welcomed(which have not come yet). I would prefer if we get into business instead of this type of offended or respected thing. This type of discussion has no output. -- GP Pande   talk!  07:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think "taking the thread to people who were other wise neutral/not interested" is natural if you and I are seemingly grid-locked, and I read that it is advised by WP:DR and WP:3O. I wanted to talk to you because you made a few comments and an edit that ignored and misrepresented what I was trying to do. This sort of thing is what usually causes problems. The "output" I hoped for was clearing up any misunderstandings between us. I can't honestly say I am satisfied this has happened, but I agree that we should wrap this up and move on. Hopefully in the near future our interactions will be more positive and devoid of misgivings. All the best, S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) 09:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
I =Nichalp   «Talk»=  award S h i v a (Visnu) the Exceptional Newcomer award for his exceptional understanding of wikipedia policy, and for his cogent and civil arguments. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  07:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)




 * Sure, anytime. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  11:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Option 5
Could I ask you to revise your option 5? The poll is for the infobox entry. Mentioning classical languages in the culture section can be dealt with later. I've also asked AreJay to look at it. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  11:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If the question is limited to the infobox, then I clearly back Option 1. I do feel that Option 5 is helpful anyway. S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) 12:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for help on hockey league.
Hey, I have left a message on Talk india page same as last time. Need your help. --Kokar (talk) 14:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Kokar - I'll be glad to be of help. Don't be frustrated over your inability to edit certain articles - those restrictions will go away in a couple of days. I had to face the same thing 2-3 weeks ago. Others may disagree with you now and again, but you're an intelligent editor as anyone can see, so your contribution(s) will always be welcome. One thing to note - both India and Bengaluru are WP:FA, which means that there is a greater quality control over content. Read WP:WIAFA, so you'll know exactly how to edit the article. S h i v a   (Visnu)  20:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Geography of India
It would be great if you could restore it to FA status again. Most of it is done. You can see some comments on Talk:Geography of India and Featured article review/Geography of India/archive1. It needs the following:


 * 1) Better quality sources
 * 2) Tighter scoping: Sections such as soil, climate etc are not really geography
 * 3) SVG map: I'll see what can be done
 * 4) Basic copyediting.

Let me know if you get stuck. I'll review once we get this fixed. You can have a look at Climate of India as a good example of a contemporary example of an FA. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  07:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Seems ok. I'll give you a pointer how encyclopedic articles are supposed to be written. This might explain why some of us are hard on the addition new content. (This is the ideal scenario, Remember!)
 * When writing, we write the daughter articles first eg. History of India, Geography of India, Economy of India. We then get this to featured status.
 * Now the lead section of these daughter articles are supposed to be copied verbatim to the parent article, India. In this way, we get a fully featured topic.
 * So in this way, you might think of just cloning the climate lead section
 * PS You might be interested in Wikipedia talk:Flagged_revisions =Nichalp   «Talk»=

Rollback
I am delighted to inform you that your request for rights on Wikipedia was accepted! My congratulations. Best Regards From,

Limideen 16:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Home secretary
I can't find any references to an Indian home secretary as indicated in Bipin Shrimali. Did you mean Minister for Home Affairs? --Closedmouth (talk) 15:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, might want to write an article on it then, or at least a section in an existing article to link to. --Closedmouth (talk) 03:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Vijay Salaskar
I have nominated Vijay Salaskar, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Vijay Salaskar. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Scott MacDonald (talk) 09:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your ArbCom Vote
Thanks for your interest in this year's ArbCom elections. Unfortunately, we were required to set a criteria for voters, and that was decided to be the following: According to an automatic check, which I confirmed by looking at your contribution history, you have not met the requirements. Either you have not made 150 edits to articles (these edits must be in the main namespace) or you did not make them before the deadline of 23:59:59 November 1, 2008 (UTC). I've indented your votes. If you believe I sent this message in error, and that you do meet the requirements, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks, ST47 (talk) 12:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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 * Voters must have made 150 edits to articles on that account on or before November 1, 2008.

Hi - thanks for the notice. I had registered on October 18, but misunderstood the second criteria. Thanks for making the correction, Shiva   (Visnu)  17:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Busy
Hi! Just popped in to see how you're doing. Are u busy these days? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  13:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Great to hear that. I too am busy these days, just participate in WP:PINQ and reply to talk page messages. Thanks for the wishes, and wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year too. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  16:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Message from JSR
Most recently I have rewritten ISRO, Vainu Bappu, and History of measurement systems in India articles. You are invited to take take a look!

 JSR   0562  19:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy new year.
Woooa! That sounded more like a life threatening message than a greeting :-) Happy new year 2009! -- GP Pande  11:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes you really got me worried! Alas! That's the reality!! Happy another year closer to "finality"!! May this year bring you immense happiness! -- KnowledgeHegemony talk 13:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Thanks and wish you the same too :) Ya, growing old every year. I was 21 when I started editing on Wikipedia. Now I'm ooooooooooolllllllldddd. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Message from JSR
The education in India article, a top importance article under WP: India, has recently been rewritten by me. Though the rewrite is is no way complete I invite you to take a look and see, and if possible contribute. Sincerely,  JSR   0562  18:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.


 * Re your query on my talk page - the passport itself is not an ideal RS for descriptive purposes, since the passport may have changed over time. You might get around that with a comment something like "Passports issued in the 1950s" or whatever.


 * I note though that you have uploaded a picture of the cover of the passport. I'm a little concerned that someone might be able to discern your name from that. I suggest you re-edit that so that no trace of your name remains. Gatoclass (talk) 05:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW, I can understand why the passport would be a symbol of colonialism, but I would like to know why it "mark[ed] its bearer as a lesser class of citizen." A lesser class in comparison to whom? Gatoclass (talk) 06:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the passport itself is fine as a reference for the description section, provided you add a phrase mentioning the approximate date of the passport you are describing (nearest decade will do) just in case the passport was different at an earlier time. Re the "lesser class of citizen", it would be helpful if you added a few words describing exactly why the passport "mark[ed] its bearer" as such. What rights did bearers of other British passports have at the time that Indian passport holders did not? I think that should be made clear. Gatoclass (talk) 05:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

history of education in India
I was planing a rewrite of history of education in India since late February but could not get to it earlier due to time constraints. I have rewritten it recently. Don't forget to take a look and thanks in advance for your time :)  JSR   0562  19:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for British Indian passport
--Dravecky (talk) 04:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bangladeshi nationality law
--Dravecky (talk) 08:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Judah Leib Fishman-Maimon
Sorry, but the article already existed at Yehuda Leib Maimon. Aharon Zisling also existed prior to your creation of Aaron Zisling. As such, I've redirected both new articles to the existing ones. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  15:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I left a note at Talk:Yehuda Leib Maimon; it would be better to merge content from your article over to the existing one, rather than simply redirecting, but since you are more familiar with the material than I am it's probably best if you do it. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 16:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

hey
xAXISx (talk) 00:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Edits
Hi there SHIVA, VASCO from Portugal here,

Regarding the article of Álvaro Negredo, where you reverted my edits, with the subsequent message (i have this account, but also edit from time to time with the standard IP 217.129.67.28), i'll say the following:

Just because one indulges in the occasional (or habitual) use of caps and exclamation marks in their edit summaries, it does not necessarily make the edit "unconstructive" or "vandalic". Please be careful, i only want to help and contribute.

Have a good week, keep up the good work,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 19:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
for defending my user page. Favonian (talk) 23:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Moved from your user page:
User:Dopplegangerr left the following unsigned message on your user page: "Please explain your reasoning behind removing my post" I removed that message from there. I'll leave him a note explaining that copyright violation texts with original research POVs tacked on at the end are not welcome here. DreamGuy (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Defence Intelligence Agency (India)
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Answer to ur Question
Hmm..sorry about the misleading information about my account.

Premiership of Lal Bahadur Shastri
Can you create the article in your user space until it's more than two lines that don't say more than what is in his biography article? Be sure to use reliable sources so as not to violate WP:BLP. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 04:21, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

True. Good point. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 04:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Query: DYK for Premiership of Morarji Desai
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DYK for Interim Government of India
The bot screwed up; your hook will actually appear in about 5 hours. — Ed   (Talk  •  Contribs)  04:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Hello S h i v a (Visnu)! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 7 of the articles that you created  are tagged as Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the list:

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 * 1) S. C. Malhan -
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 * 3) Bipin Shrimali -
 * 4) Barry Williamson -
 * 5) Hafezzi Huzur -
 * 6) Shabbir Masani -
 * 7) Snehal Dabi -

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You are now a Reviewer
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DYK nomination of 1996 Singer Cup
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DYK for 1996 Singer Cup
Courcelles 18:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1996 Pepsi Sharjah Cup
Courcelles 12:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Dan Kiesel
Courcelles 18:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Hyderabad State Congress
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Seth Shostak
There should be a term for people like you that yearn for reverts to articles in Wikipedia!

Obsequious!? Maybe. Annoying, certainly! CrackDragon (talk) 03:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "It is quite successful, due to its adaptability and ability to easily co-exist with humans."
 * Correct! CrackDragon (talk) 03:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "Obsequious!" - Nah! Annoying - yeah, but isn't everybody? :) Shiva   (Visnu)  04:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * wiki constructs way too many people who hinder! 05:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrackDragon (talk • contribs)

Sorry for being a little abusive the other night! Maybe not such a good idea making edits after coming in from the pub (especially when a little worse for wear!!) CrackDragon (talk) 10:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No worries my friend - you were not "abusive." I deserved the sarcastic rebuke for mistaking your edit for vandalism anyway. Your reaction as a Wikipedian returning from a pub was better than what I had feared - that of a Dragon on crack. So we are good :) Shiva   (Visnu)  16:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)