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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/HMS Ark Royal (91)
Done. Sorry for the delay. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  15:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

A barnstar
To be honest, I've never given a barnstar before, not because I've never felt anybody deserved it, but rather that it didn't seem as if I had the authority to declare various bits of work worthy, if you know what I mean. I have no such doubts though that your work on Ark Royal is both worthy, and that you deserve some sort of acknowledgement. This seemed appropriate, though the description seems to imply that it's just for 'spelling, grammar and punctuation', and I think your work went far beyond that! Best wishes, Benea (talk) 14:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I suspect you'll regret that! To be honest, my other project at the moment is the Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson article.  There were murmurs about returning it to a featured article in time for a main page appearance on the 250th anniversary of his birth (23rd September this year). I've no particular problems about working on the content (though there's a lot that's missing, that I've recently been trying to fill in), but it's in dire need of copyediting and restructuring. No worries though if this is something that you don't want to take on, after progressing one article from B to FA class, the last thing I feel like doing is jumping in with another! ttfn, Benea (talk) 17:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

AWM copyright
Hi Saberwyn, This discussion on my talk page may be of interest to you - Abraham, B.S. has noticed that the AWM has a statement on their website which says that all their pre-1959 photos are not covered by copyright. By the way, congratulations to Benea and yourself for the Ark Royal article sailing through its FA nomination. I'd like to claim that my critical comments helped the article develop, but I suspect that I just bugged you both ;-) Nick Dowling (talk) 12:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

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Anime Screeenshots..
It would be nice if you could include the name of the specfic copyright holders, so they can be wikilinked. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

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MLC
I reverted some of the changes you made  to this page. I would be glad to discuss if you disagree with my changes. Happy editing. 24.20.131.232 (talk) 01:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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Firefly edit
Thanks for the correction! I did remove it in good faith but you're right, it isn't vandalism. I'll be more careful in the future. Thanks for the heads up!Cpt ricard (talk) 16:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jet Falcon
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Dawgs
Your post on the AfD well was stated, but I'm still a little baffled on the nomination on that article. I hadn't in fact realized that the term "Wiredawg" was one of the big issues. I thought it was clear from the article (and the related websites) that this was a term to describe Air Force personnel in two job categories. It's a bit unusual for a title, but consider the alternative: have you checked out what the job titles are actually called? And as far as media coverage, as the military is very insular, I'm not surprised really that there's not more outside coverage. I actually think the wiredawg.net website in and of itself makes it pretty clear that this is a legitimate and established descriptive term. And regarding the other issues: I agree!, but those seem to require editorial fixes, not deletion. Sorry to post this here. I think I've posted enough in that AfD so I leave it to others to weigh in, or for the decision to be made based on the votes and reasonings already there. But I just wanted to give you my response on the issues you raised. :) Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Notabtility / significant coverage
Hi Saberwyn

Further to your note to ChildofMidnight, here are some of my thoughts on what "significant coverage" means with respect to the WP:N:
 * There are lots of different interpretations of what "significant coverage" means. My view is that it requires that the coverage be in sources that are not intended to be exhaustive lists of things (i.e., directories of any sort).


 * In fact, the janitorial and plumbing professions are covered widely and frequently in numerous sources other than directories. And possibly so are cable splicers, etc. But there is no evidence that military cable splicers in particular are significantly covered on their own in reliable sources other than directories.
 * Logically, if everything that is reliably covered in detail merits its own article, then Wikipedia becomes the union of every directory ever published, which clearly is not the thrust of WP:NOTDIR.


 * Others disagree (see WP:Articles for deletion/FCS Control Systems) but they are terribly wrong and misguided (despite acting always in good faith). ;)

Thoughts? I'd like to see these ideas added to the policy, presonally. Bongo matic  13:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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HMAS Tobruk categorisation
Hi Saberwyn, Given that Category:Royal Australian Navy amphibious warfare vessels is a sub-category of Category:Ships of the Royal Australian Navy I don't think that Tobruk should be in both categories. Would it be OK if I removed it from Category:Ships of the Royal Australian Navy, or do you think that doubling up the categorisation is useful? (which I guess it might be given that Tobruk is mildly famous and is a one-off). Nick-D (talk) 09:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, that makes sense, and I'll leave well alone for now so that the categorisation is consistent. I agree that the RAN category tree is a mess - it seems to have been shoe-horned into the same category structure as that used for the USN, and this isn't sensible. I'd suggest a category structure with Category:Ships of the Royal Australian Navy as the top-level cat and then sub-categories for each of the main types of ships the RAN has operated. Separating the ships into different time-periods and active/inactive categories doesn't work in my view. Nick-D (talk) 09:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Would it be feasible to limit the category tree to the sub-cats which are visible on the Category:Ships of the Royal Australian Navy page? (give or take a few - would organising the ships by class be sensible? - it would work for frigates, but be a waste of time for amphibious assault ships) - I think that this would work given that the RAN hasn't operated all that many ships of any type (even the 50 Bathurst class vessels are the only corvettes its ever operated). It might also be possible to use bots for re-classifications to limit the amount of grunt work needed, but don't quote me on that! Nick-D (talk) 10:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Unrelated, low priority, ping here. Thanks // Fra nkB 20:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That structure looks perfect to me. If you're happy with it, we probably need to propose it on the Wikiproject ships talk page before it goes ahead as the current structure was, if I remember correctly, the outcome of a project-wide categorisation effort. Nick-D (talk) 07:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, here's some examples of ships which don't fall into an obvious category. I prefer 'X of the Royal Australian Navy' as this is consistent with other categorisation.
 * HMAS Abraham Crijnssen
 * HMAS Banks
 * HMAS Berrima
 * HMAS Bungaree
 * HMAS Jervis Bay (GT 203)
 * HMAS Kanimbla (1936)
 * HMAS Kurumba
 * HMAS Queenborough (G70)
 * HMQS Paluma
 * HMAS Platypus (1917)
 * HMAS Protector (ASR 241)
 * Australian Submarine Rescue Vehicle Remora
 * HMAS Wyatt Earp Nick-D (talk) 07:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've also just speedy-deleted those two categories you nominated for deletion as the categories are now empty. Nick-D (talk) 07:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Those look spot on to me. I think that the multiple categories are fine for every case where you've suggested that adding the ship to several new categories would be over-categorisation. I think that HMAS Wyatt Earp would best belong in Category:Auxiliary ships of the Royal Australian Navy by the way. Nick-D (talk) 09:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Gunbluster
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AfD nomination of Bear Fighter
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AfD nomination of Saberlion
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AfD nomination of Leoblaze
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Re: Edit to Bolter (aviation)
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AfD nomination of Barigator
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Units of measure
Hi -- If you are going to have a go at integrating info from http://www.bta.mil/fedebiz/PRIVATE/EDIT/document/lfwg/flissue.pdf into wikipedia I do wonder what we need of (a) articles about each codes eg CZ redirects to volume where it is defined as 1m^3; (b) Do we have a list of units anywhere? I've found list of humorous units and lists of systems of measurement but I haven't yet found lists of units eg units of length containing metre, foot, yard, mile, rod, pole, perch, etc etc; (c) Do we need articles on the DoD coding schemes themselves - eg We appear to have an article ANSI ASC X12 but it has less in it than I would hope and I haven't tracked down one on DoD unit of issue and purchase unit codes. I haven't done anything about it yet as it seemed too hard! -- SGBailey (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I just shot myself in the foot with that units of length example, it exists! However Is there a units of volume? (cubic metre, pint, gallon, litre, fluid ounce, US gallon, etc. -- SGBailey (talk) 23:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

HMAS Castlemaine
During the time when Melbourne paid off, I was serving in Navy Office. We received a minute one day asking if we needed anything off Melbourne for security purposes. As I was involved in the restoration work on Castlemaine at the time through my membership of the Australian Branch of the Royal Naval Amatuer Radio Society, I contacted the guys at the Maritime Trust and asked them if they thought anything from the old girl would be of use. I ended up with a wish list which I contacted the people in charge of the ship and managed to secure a large number of items such as proper naval electrical switches, stanchions, 240 VDC vent fans, 240 VDC to 240 VAC motor generators and all sort of stuff, about 3 tons of it in all. As it happenned, the guys in Navy I first approached got the gear off and loaded up on three pallets at Zetland within a week or so of me first contacting them, but the paper trail in Canberra is tortuous and it took IIRC 6-9 months before we finally got the green light officially, by which time the ship had transferred from Navy control to the Department of Admin Services. The Minister for Admin Services took one look at the inventory of what we had on the pallets and the book replacement value of the gear ($28,000) and decided that the Government had done enough by giving the Trust the ship and that we could pay for the items. Lousy sod. I got a very embarrassed phone call from someone over in Admin Services and, as he knew well we could not afford that sort of money, we talked around the point for a bit and then he said that he could not give us the gear, but he could sell it to us for whatever price we agreed on, he asked me if $300 was OK. I wrote out the cheque that day.

Now I know that none of this can go in the article as yet - original research and all that - but perhaps knowing this might help if you come across something and it might help join some dots. Nick Thorne talk  12:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Shadow Fox
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AfD nomination of Rev Raptor
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AfD nomination of Hayate Liger
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AfD nomination of Gustav (Zoids)
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AfD nomination of Death Saurer
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AfD nomination of Command Wolf
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Your hard work is about to be deleted from Wikipedia
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Barigator
Barigator is also up for deletion, by the same editor. travb (talk) 00:50, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Categorisation problem
Hello, Which category of the RAN category tree do you think that the new article HMVS Countess of Hopetoun/HMAS Countess of Hopetoun should be placed in? I'm pretty sure that it belongs in the patrol vessels category, but thought that I'd check with you. By the way, I currently have the Australian Naval Aviation Museum's book '' Flying Stations. A Story of Australian Navy Aviation on loan from the library if you need any cites for the HMAS Sydney'' article. cheers, Nick-D (talk) 10:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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Canterbury
Hi Saberwyn - you recently removed the blank fields on the infobox of HMNZS Canterbury (F421), a move that I reverted. The reason is that without the blank fields, it becomes much more onerous to add the missing information if someone later comes across the data. Unless he/she is very experienced in the use of that template, he may not even KNOW that there is a field for that piece of data. Therefore, please keep such "blank spaces" as they are - they have a use. Thanks and happy editing. Ingolfson (talk) 05:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

North Wood Camp
Hello Saberwyn - I apperiate you informing me of your porposed deletion of North Wood Camp. Only publish information on North Wood Camp of Greater YMCA is located on their website. I physically went to the camp itself couple decades ago and its still there. I am uncertain how else to show its worthy enough to be least listed on Wikipedia since its sister camps are listed here as well. I've refer to the YMCA's Boston's website. I am admittively new at wikipedia and do this part-time. I still learning properly do this. So I am uncertain how else to bring standards of the listing up from what resources I can find of it. There no listing of YMCA of Greater Boston on Wikipedia only on their own website. Colt9033 (Colt9033) 08:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Flying Stations
Hi Saberwyn, I noticed you mentioned this book on Nick-D's talk page. I have a copy of the book, what do you need from it? Nick Thorne talk  14:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Camp North Woods
Hello Saberwyn Thanks for holding off for and helping try find independant source of information on the camp. I believe only source of information that does exist to make it stand out is in written form which i do not own anymore. I was in camp in 1981-82. If i found written pathlet. Would that be allowable to post imagine of which prove is uniqueness? For mean time, is there place simply list the camp itself so it has some noted it exists? Thank you for your time. Colt9033 (Colt9033) 10:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia
Thanks. If you've been to Indonesia, you will know that only "officially" they drive on the left. ;-) --Merbabu (talk) 01:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, the reason why this revert has had to be made so many times is that Indonesians misunderstand the phrase "drive on the..." to be the side the driver sits on. It will happen again. Davidelit (talk) 03:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe a hidden note in the text? -- saberwyn 03:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

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Soloists
I'm glad someone noticed it :) - Ddawkins73 (talk) 15:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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RAN ceremonial entrance to Sydney tomorrow
Hi Saberwyn, have you seen this? Nick-D (talk) 10:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Great work! Nick-D (talk) 08:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Attackerclass
Okay cited, there are also photos and discussions on militaryphotos.net for these boats. --Zaher1988 · Talk| Contributions 07:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

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Changes to ARA Patagonia (B-1)
Hi, thanks for the improvements to the article about the "ARA Patagonia (B-1)". However, I'm unsure why you've removed the "empty" sections, as I put them with the intention of filling them in after gathering more info about the ship. Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply! which makes sense to me... My intention was to fill-in them within a brief time (which I did not do, due to lack of time). So for the time being will not add the removed sections unless I can put some info. Cheers, DPdH (talk) 23:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

re: Need a favour from an admin
Nick-D (talk) 10:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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British LCT article
FYI, I've just blocked the edit warrior for 48 hours - they'd been warned lots of times for their behavior and were way past three reverts. Nick-D (talk) 09:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nick-D (talk) 12:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Mowbray College
Thanks for your contributions. I didn't have any time to look for sources, and I'm glad this article won't sit as a stub. - Running On  Brains  06:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

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Nigel Coates (admiral)
When performing some tweaks on Nigel Coates (admiral), I found that most of the text of the article appears to be copypasted from his Department of Defence biography page, a website which is copyrighted to the Australian government. As such, I have tagged most of the article as a copyright violation, and have listed it at Copyright problems/2009 May 25.

I've avoided giving you Nothanks-web, the templated response to these situations, because I respect you and your other contributions too much to template a regular. That said, reviewing the template text may help you decide what to do next. -- saberwyn 09:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Howdy! Thanks for your message, and thanks for not treating me like an infant or an imbecile - I can assure it is appreciated.
 * I have a number of comments, some of them philosophical, some of them informative, and some of them simply my opinion.
 * Informative:
 * I'm not the only contributor to this article - you may want to inform User talk:Abraham, B.S. and User talk:Nick-D too. To be honest, I would expect both of them can (and would/will) do a better job of resolving this than me.
 * You may also want to put something on one of the relevant Milhist pages - even more people who are even more competant raed those.
 * Opinion:
 * That template is really ugly, and completely unhelpful. It makes it impossible to determine what you are complaining about. Surely there's a better way to do it than that?
 * Philosophical:
 * I do not believe one can copyright facts.
 * Never-the-less, one doesn't have to be a genius to see that sections of the Coates article are indeed a "perfect subset" of the ADF bio, and yes, that should NOT be the case. (I'm surprised I was so lazy.)
 * I'm sure you agree that there's no denying that the guy is notable, and that it would be stupid to delete the article due to copyvio when it wouldn't be hard to extract the facts and present them with different wording which is not copyvio.
 * So, please suggest a good way forward.
 * My (no doubt biassed) opinion is that getting rid of that ugly template would be a good start. Then enlisting one or more of the many competent wiki-military-historians would be a good next step.
 * Thanks for your rational and considered approach to the problem. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand where you are coming from, but the main problem is that you have taken the information on the ADF website, copied them word-for-word (including formatting and spelling errors), and effectively claimed the work of another as your own. The facts themselves cannot be copyrighted, but the wording and presentation can, and although unlikely to happen, as the editor who contributed the copyrighted information, the Australian Government could take you to court for copyright infringement.
 * The template used is the one indicated by the Copyright violations policy for situations when all versions of an article contain the copyrighted information. I think (but do not no for sure) that it is intended to mask the copyrighted information and make known that action is being taken to correct the situation. Per insturctions, I also listed the article at Copyright problems, where admins who know more about dealing with copyright issues than you or I can look at the situation and advise the best course of action. Until then, I think the template should remain and I don't think there's much either of us can do. -- saberwyn 22:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "I don't think there's much either of us can do." - I disagree. It's not like you've opened Pandora's Box and can't close it.
 * I have rewritten the article; there should now be no copyright problems.
 * I suggest you now remove the offending text and remove the template; I don't see any point in involving lots of other people now that the issue has been addressed and the problem now solved. I would have done it myself, but I expect that there would be people who would get upset, so I haven't.
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Mark 8 Landing Craft Tank
If you have served on any of these vessels or have any real positive contribution to make - fine! Been there done that. Out of here anyway - the whole Wikipedia project has become totally corrupt! Regards Medcroft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medcroft (talk • contribs) 22:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

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HMS Dragon (D35)
Hi, I've added the battle honours back to the infobox. I made the same error before, but it seems that they are inherited and should be shown. Mjroots (talk) 04:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was always under the impression that only the battle honours earned by a particular ship should be shown, as although inherited honours belong to the same name, they belong to different ships. That said, I haven't been able to find any guidelines or significant commentary either way, so I'm going to raise the question at WP:SHIPS and the maritime warfare task force and see what is said. -- saberwyn 04:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello
I just wanted to drop in and say hello. I know wikipedia isn't supposed to be used for this, but oh well :P I'm also Australian, and am writing a novel. I thought we could share ideas and tips? Also, what part of Aus are you from? Hope to hear from you. -- Flash flash  ;  19:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)