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Happy editing! Cheers,  General Ization Talk  21:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023
Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you.  General Ization Talk  21:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


 * It is meant as informational. Is there anything in particular you would like removed? SaddleSoreRanch (talk) 21:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Lavalizard101 (talk) 21:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


 * My apologoes. I am simply trying to add an informational page. I am not understanding how my content is any different that the content you have for (for example) the "Buffalo Chip Campground". Can you please explain? SaddleSoreRanch (talk) 21:33, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The Buffalo Chip Campground has an article page, which is supported by 61 citations of independent, published reliable sources. The Saddle Sore Ranch has no article, and you supplied no reliable sources to support the creation of one. Your edits also a) were promotional in tone, and b) were applied to the Sandbox, which means they are not permanent (the Sandbox is strictly for testing).  General Ization  Talk  21:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I would also add that the Buffalo Chip Campground article was created by someone independent of the organisation. Lavalizard101 (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah.... OK. My apologies. Again, my intention is (I guess) an "article page" then. So how do I go about doing that? SaddleSoreRanch (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I will post a list of helpful articles here. However, please note that since your name here on Wikipedia is clearly associated with the subject you are here to write about, and it seems that you are also so associated, you may not create an article on that subject.  Also, this account is very likely to be blocked because its name tends (and seems to be intended) to promote a business. Hence you may need to create a new account with a non-promotional name. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 21:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The only thing I wrote was information on the Ranch. When it began, where it is located, and the types of activity. There was no advertising. No promotions, no links to buy anything etc..... I just wanted to provide a very brief, factual (not opinionated) overview of the ranch, which other contributors could come along and add to later down the road. I thought that's what wikipedia was for. For users to be able to contribute. I am sure many of your "articles" started off that way, and people built upon them. I am sure the Buffalo Chip Campground "article" page has expanded quite a bit since it was first published. As for "published reliable sources", we have been featured in the biggest national magazines in the country. Easyriders, Cycle Source, Outlaw Biker magazine.... Even the ABC News... I didn't want to mention any of that, because I didn't want to come across as if I were advertising. So I stuck strictly to information, not promotion. SaddleSoreRanch (talk) 21:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think you're paying attention. No, an article does not need to start out with 60+ references, but it must contain references to document any claims, and it cannot be created or edited by someone who would personally benefit from its creation or expansion. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 21:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I am certainly paying attention, and I am sorry to be such a bother. I am just trying to understand. I fully understand no advertising. As I mentioned, all I stated were facts. The date it started, where it is located, and types of activities. I am not sure what references I would need to support that. My deed to the property? Google Maps? Event photos? As for me writing the content, the factual history and location, how would someone else know better than me? With that foundation established for an "article page", the rest would be left up to your contributors. SaddleSoreRanch (talk) 22:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello SaddleSoreRanch. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

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Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:SaddleSoreRanch. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:58, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


 * No, I am not being compensated in any way for any contiributions or edits... Again, the content was strictly factual information regarding the existence and location of the ranch. Nothing more. No compensation is had by me. SaddleSoreRanch (talk) 22:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Your comment above ("My deed to the property?") tends to contradict your claim to be free of COI, as if you own the property, you clearly would benefit from its promotion. In any case, you may not edit further using this account. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 22:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I never said I didn't own the property. In fact, in my original post, I named myself as the "reference" for the content, as well as stating that I was the owner of the property.... I never hid that. What I am having a hard time understanding is that since all I wrote about was the date of inception, and the location, where is there a conflict of interest? Those are just facts. I am not saying it the greatest place on earth... Stop by our website at bla bla bla, get a discount, etc, etc, etc... It is strictly information. The basic history and location. So from what I am understanding, you are telling me that pretty much anyone OTHER THAN me would be a more reputable source for that factual information. And now you have me blocked??? Really? SaddleSoreRanch (talk) 22:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


 * You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works. A company is not entitled to have an article on Wikipedia just because it exists. For it to be deemed worthy of inclusion, it must meet Wikipedia's definition of a notable company. For this to happen, the company must have already received significant coverage in multiple reliable, third-party sources. We have no interest in what a company wants to say about itself; for that reason, self-published sources like press releases and social media and the companies own staff are disqualified from establishing notability. Lavalizard101 (talk) 22:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * So again, we have been featured in Easyriders Magazine (biggest motorcycle magazine in the world), Cycle Source Magazine (also national), The Horse - Backstreet Choppers magazine (also national), Outlaw Biker magazine (also national). All of which are sold nationwide at all major bookstores. Barnes and Noble, Books A Million, etc. We have been featured on the ABC News... We have been featured in newspapers across the country. How "notable" are those???? It isn't about "what we say about ourself". In fact, as mentioned, the ONLY thing we said about ourself is the year we were established, and where we are located. And what I am getting from you, is that we are not qualified to provide that info.... Ok. Well, have a nice day. Thank you for your time. My apologies... SaddleSoreRanch (talk) 23:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, SaddleSoreRanch. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


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Thank you. Secretlondon (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)