User talk:Safehaven86/Archive 9

NAGR
Hello. I am new around here. First of all thank you for taking the time to edit Wikipedia. In reviewing your some of your edits a question arose. On this edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/713537787

You stated trimming promo, conform to sources. Those two statements were in the associated sources. As a noob what should one know to understand why those statements were removed? Thank you.


 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for reaching out! You're correct, "Brown said that NAGR launched a campaign to help the bill pass using email, direct mail, telephone calls and social media to reach 80,000 Kansans" is in this source. I removed it because it felt somewhat promotional to me, as it was Brown, the head of the organization, making the report on numbers. If a third-party source had made the claim or corroborated it in their own voice, I'd feel better about it. The second portion of the paragraph I removed was "The bill passed the state legislature and Governor Sam Brownback signed the bill into law on April 2nd, making Kansas the sixth state allowing constitutional carry." I removed that because the way it appeared in the article, along with the other information in the paragraph, made it look to me like our Wikipedia article was giving credit to NAGR for the bill passing. This source says NAGR was a proponent of the bill, but it also mentions other groups like the NRA. So it seemed to be inappropriate to appear to "give credit" to the NAGR when in fact NAGR was apparently acting as part of a coalition of groups in support of the bill. I'm sure there are ways to rewrite this information to address these concerns, and I'd be happy to work with you on the article's talk page. Thanks! Safehaven86 (talk) 16:15, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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Would you please review this
[] Springee (talk) 15:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Springee, I have nothing to add. It's only a matter of time before he hangs himself with his own rope. Safehaven86 (talk) 04:05, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Stop sending me messages
Hi and thanks for using Wikipedia! I have not done anything wrong, and I am not intimidated by your "warnings". I suggest you review the page on User space harassment. Have a great day. Theknightswhosay (talk) 04:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * It's ironic that you're suggesting to me that I read a page that you're clearly not familiar with. See the section WP:NPLT at Harassment, which clearly says you should not accuse other editors of libel, which, bizarrely, you did. Safehaven86 (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

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Concern about editor on Tom Steyer's article
Could you please review the recent activity there? The same user attempted to redact a substantial portion of content, citing a talk page discussion, but there was none. I am becoming suspicious that this user may have some professional link to the Tom Steyer article. Could you please look into it? There do seem to be some connections:
 * https://www.buildquorum.com/act/Tom-Steyer-Breakthrough-Climate-Campaign-_R9

GreenChairBMX (talk) 22:19, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah I really can't tell what's going on. It looked to me like everyone agreed on the talk page, so I don't know what went wrong. Safehaven86 (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome!
Thanks for you kind remarks re: Delegates Unbound. I do think there is a place for a brief note about that group and of Free the Delegates at Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016 - perhaps two sentences or so. I say go for it. Neutralitytalk 19:33, 24 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Neutrality, thanks for the feedback. I added a few sentences at the campaign's article. Safehaven86 (talk) 21:05, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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Feedback?
Thanks Safehaven. Can you explain why my edit on Institute_for_Energy_Research didn't conform to the NPOV policy? I was careful to cite the Guardian as a reference. Would there be a better way to state their ties to the oil industry? Thanks, WyoChris (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


 * WyoChris, thanks for reaching out. I am going to respond to you on the talk page of Institute for Energy Research. Safehaven86 (talk) 19:27, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:The Dark Side of the Moon
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Tom Steyer's article
I apologize for the pestering, but could you please review the talk page? I hope I am not erroneous in my interpretation of your previous comments, because UserQurom816 keeps attempting the exact same edit, with no further discussion and no effort to compromise. GreenChairBMX (talk) 21:10, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * GreenChairBMX, I will take a look tomorrow when I have some more time. Safehaven86 (talk) 21:57, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello again! I proposed a compromise on the page but no one has answered yet. Care to comment? GreenChairBMX (talk) 22:23, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, thanks for reaching out. I'm a bit confused, because before making edits on the National Council of La Raza article I disclosed my affiliation with the group on the article's talk page and provided reasons for the changes we're requesting. The article has inaccurate information and makes assertions about us that are not neutral. For instance, we are not a "far-left group," but a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization.

Thank you, NCLR Comms (talk) 16:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi NCLR Comms, and thanks for reaching out. Please carefully review the message I left on your talk page. Because you have disclosed that you work at NCLR, you should not edit the NCLR page. You should instead participate on the article's talk page and make edit requests as necessary. If you provide reliably, independently sourced and neutral content on the article's talk page, you can request that other editors who do not have a COI implement that material. However, you should refrain from editing the article yourself. I have removed "far-left" from the article's introduction, since that information was not reliably sourced. Safehaven86 (talk) 18:14, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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Page Move or Page Merger
Hey there, Safehaven86!

I was wondering if you could help out with a page merge or move. The articles for Efraim Diveroli and David Packouz (both who are subject of the same movie, War Dogs) are essentially exactly the same. Both men are notable for the exact same thing. I was wondering if you could get them merged or something, or moved to a page -- I don't know if each individual is in and of himself noteworthy, so much as what their company, AEY, did. Either way, articles should definitely be merged at the very least. Thanks! --FuzzyGopher (talk) 02:00, 30 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi there, I'd recommend proposing a merger. That way interested editors can weigh in and you can assess whether there is a consensus to merge. Safehaven86 (talk) 02:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!
I do not think you deserve this, atleast from my ends. Just removed it. Light2021 (talk) 10:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, ! Much appreciated. Safehaven86 (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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about this comment, where did anyone swear in an edit summary, and specifically where did someone swear at you (as in "F*ck you") in an edit summary? Please reconsider that entire comment. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 21:44, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I interpreted this edit summary as being unduly hostile and aggressive. I've been bullied and harassed on Wikipedia and I don't take kindly to unnecessary and overt displays of aggression. Such incivility is one reason why 90% of Wikipedia editors are men. I am a female editor and it's not easy to be in such a small minority. Editors not in the minority tend to have privileges that allow them to get away with actions that minority groups don't get away with--it's the same online as in real life. I have tried to interact civilly with you, although in our first interaction you jumped all over me as if I was a WP:SPA WP:COI editor. I could have reported you for making an apparent accusation of WP:COI against the terms of your topic ban, but I didn't. I'm not interested in being vindictive, but in building the most reliable, accurate, and neutral encyclopedia that we can. Hopefully we can both do that. Safehaven86 (talk) 04:19, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * i did not swear at you. call me a douchebag if you like but I did not say "fuck you" - i did not swear at you.  I have sworn at someone once in my years here. Jytdog (talk) 04:24, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I am glad you did not swear at me. Thanks for clarifying. My larger point is that swearing and using aggressive language--whether intended directly at another editor or not--can contribute to an environment of hostility that is not welcoming. And that is a problem. Safehaven86 (talk) 04:29, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I hear you. From my end, you have not acknowledged that the article you created was promotional, and failed to use even the negative information that was in the sources you brought.  I have no idea why you wrote such a promotional article and I don't really care - my focus is on content.  promotional editing is a problem.  Jytdog (talk) 04:43, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Did it occur to you that the article was not complete when you began editing it? I'd created it from scratch less than four hours before you began editing it. It was clearly a work in progress, and a stub. I'm glad other editors began editing it--that's what's supposed to happen; that's how we build a collaborative encyclopedia. No one, myself included, is obligated to push publish on a fully comprehensive and flawless article. I did the best I could given time constraints. I intended to keep working on the article later. That's the best any of us can do. Safehaven86 (talk) 04:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. Jytdog (talk) 05:06, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Analysis?
It is good to analyse article. Though your intend is doubtful. Would not be better to improve those articles or write factual evidence. I would be highly thankful. Seems like someone coming to my article to find micro level mistakes possible but not really want to improve it. Thanks though it helps me contributing better. Keep doing it, I will improve myself. Light2021 (talk) 21:22, 2 October 2016 (UTC)


 * , I don't understand what you mean. I am removing WP:BLP tags that you've added to articles about businesses. Businesses are not people, living or dead, and the tags don't make any sense. Please also see WP:TAGBOMBING. Safehaven86 (talk) 21:24, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I hope you dint! Thanks anyway! Light2021 (talk) 21:27, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

October 2016
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Whole30. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Alexbrn (talk) 17:13, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * Oh, give me a break. This is not edit warring. In talk page discussion, you said the WSJ source wasn't your concern, but the Self source. So I added back the WSJ source, but not the Self source. I thought we were having a productive discussion and I was responding to your feedback on sourcing. Safehaven86 (talk) 17:25, 3 October 2016 (UTC)