User talk:Sagapane

Zazaki language
This article is an article about LANGUAGE, not ethnic identity. As such, the Kurdish POV that you are pushing (with an inappropriate source, no less) doesn't matter for the article. Anyone can speak Zazaki, so the ethnic self-identification of the Zaza people doesn't matter at all. The source that you are trying to use to prove the Kurdish ethnic nature of the Zaza people is not even an appropriate source for such claims. The article is about theoretical syntax not about ethnicity or even primarily Zazaki. Perhaps you should actually read the article before blindly citing it as proof of anything related to ethnicity. It doesn't even fall under the label of reliable source by Wikipedia standards since it has not been published in a peer-reviewed scholarly journal. From what I can tell, it's just a working paper that the authors posted on-line for comments before trying to get it published somewhere. As such it is only marginally valuable to the Zazaki language article. And the ethnicity comment, brief as it is, is not even relevant to the Zazaki language article. --Taivo (talk) 05:55, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello Heval, thancks for your contributions!
You are welcome to wikipedia world, i am a kurmanji from kars: i am editing kurdish (kurmanji-dimili) and sumerian dictionnary! All the world know that zaza are kurds... bijî gelê me... --Alsace38 (talk) 11:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Kurdish ethnocentrism
Hi, Sagapane. Unfortunately this map was made under the influence of the Kurdish ethnocentrism. For example, Zazaki language is not a part of Kurdish language but a part of the northwestern group of the Iranian section of the Indo-European language family. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 11:20, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

it is a source of columbia university. and columbia university is a scietifical source. here more about zazaki and other kurdish languages:

http://www.hennerbichler.info/-kurdish-complex-.html

indeed that is a actual discussion. it is not your right to decide that, i did already report against your vandalism.Sagapane (talk) 20:49, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * What do you mean my vandalism ? It was serious problem, because you posted copyrighted and propagated map as a free media to Commons. Takabeg (talk) 22:53, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

columbia university allowed using this information to NON COMMERCIAL reasons. and you say columbia university and encyclopaedia britannica are propaganda? hehehehehe

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/325225/Kurdish-language

http://orvillejenkins.com/peoples/kurds.html

plrease keep your personal mind for yourself, wiki is a forum for ALL scietifical sources, if you like or not. thank you. Sagapane (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * As long as I understand, you didn't read WP:NOT, WP:COPYRIGHT, WP:NPOV etc.. I recommend you to read them. Cheers. Takabeg (talk) 23:24, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

thank you, please note the conversation in his page too. ( talk ) and this source of Columbia University:

http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/maps.shtml

Sagapane (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Iam sorry but Kurds are zaza and zaza are kurds. Mr takabeg is promoting everwhere big turkish empire into including such heteroclits populations as mongols kirkiz or ouygurs, but when you speak of zaza, he is promoting turkey's offical point of vue. Sorry but zaza are kurds. --Alsace38 (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Personal Attacks Only Warning
Making personal attacks against another editors such as you did here, here and here is entirely inappropriate. What makes those worse is you have turned them into ethnic/racist comments which should lead to your immediate block. I encourage you to retract them ASAP, and ensure that you do not repeat such behaviour ever again on this project. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 15:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: while you're doing the above, you will want to read WP:COPYRIGHT and the image use policy - uploading copyrighted maps puts this project into legal problems, which we'd rather not have (✉→BWilkins←✎) 15:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

personal attack is, if somebody accuse other people to abuse copyrighted maps. the Columbia UNiversity allows every non commercial using of these maps. i allready contacted columbia university for making clear it again. the answer was OK!, the next step is making it official. thank you Sagapane (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sagapane, Columbia allows maps for non-commercial use. While Wikipedia is non-commercial, our license says commercial companies can use our content. Because of this, we cannot host content with restrictions on commercial use. Ironholds (talk) 16:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

wiki is non-commercial. so it is allowed to use maps of columbia university in wikipedia as sources and evidence. i just have got a positive answer from Columbia University for using of their maps. and soon i will do that. thank you for your message. Sagapane (talk) 18:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you will not. Wikipedia is non-commercial. However, Wikipedia's content is all released under a license that allows for commercial reuse. If we have content that does not allow for commercial reuse, we cannot host it because it does not fit under our license. Ironholds (talk) 19:34, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sagapane, at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive830 I've suggested that you be blocked unless you agree to stop making personal attacks against Turkish users. You can respond at that noticeboard if you wish. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 20:19, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

dear Ironholds,

The Owner will release using of map in wikipedia. i have sent him a message, and he agree the using of maps in wikipedia. so we will have NO problems to use them here. thank you Sagapane (talk) 21:09, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, we do. Again: Wikipedia content has to be reusable. Him giving us permission to use it *here* is not sufficient. If you want to forward me the email at I am happy to take a look at his message. Ironholds (talk) 21:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

—Odysseus1479 (talk) 22:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

dear Ironholds,

I have just sent am email to you. I prefer to keep in touch by email now. thank you for your help and happy new year!!! Sagapane (talk) 23:05, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * i support you my firend, you are right, don't panick with taka... point of views, he is promoting every where zaza peoples, but he doesn't know anything any word of zaza! --Alsace38 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Map
Hi. You posted a note on my talk page about a map. Can you give me more details about it? Who drew the map? Did you draw it? or did you upload a map drawn by someone else? If you drew the map, you can usually upload it and use it in WP. But if the map came from another person (such as a college professor; or a book) then usually you have to get the permission of the author of the map (also called a "license" or "copyright"). If you can give me more details about the origin of the map, I can help you out. --Noleander (talk) 06:16, 3 January 2013 (UTC)