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 * Oh thank you! You are making me hungry now! Sagotreespirit (talk) 08:40, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Please read the noticeboard
Lower level districts in english wikipedia are not like Indonesian wikipedia. Stubs with no sources are strongly discouraged. The rule for any village/district in Indonesia on english wikipedia - is very clear WP:N from english language sources. The process is WP:V where at all possible requires WP:RS that can clarify the notability. Otherwise it is open to question as to whether there is any mention in a stand alone article, and in many cases if it is a one line stub with qualifying material as to why the stub exists, in the past they get taken out, and if there is a marginal notability - it might get the material into the higher level area that has an article.

The members of the Indonesian project some years ago, most who no longer edit regularly now, went through this, and despite that, an editor with no knowledge of indonesia seemed to have added large lists of district names with nothing to WP:V or anything. That deserves another look as to whether anything can be retrieved. In cases of wanting to add villages - sheesh - try WP:ABOUT and WP:NOT JarrahTree 10:50, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


 * In that case, I believe it is better to start select kecamatan articles for which adequate references can be found. Sagotreespirit (talk) 08:39, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * Much appreciated! Sagotreespirit (talk) 14:42, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Yapen languages
Hi Sagotreespirit! I have seen your addition of data reflecting the recent classification of Papuan languages by Foley (2018), which you have done at a breathtaking speed: hats off for that! Just to let you know: I have corrected your mixup of the Papuan "Yapen languages" with the Austronesian "Yapen languages". To avoid confusion, I have moved "Yapen languages" to "Yapen languages (Austronesian)", fixed all links and added a DAB page. Maybe we should further move "Yawa languages" to "Yapen languages (Papuan)", what do you think? –Austronesier (talk) 11:30, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! But Yawa is the name on Glottolog and Ethnologue, so it's fine for now. Sagotreespirit (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Local-Level Governments
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Deletion discussion about Local-level Governments
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Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username DannyS712 and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Deletion discussion about LLGs
Hello, Sagotreespirit,

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username DannyS712 and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Almami Rural LLG


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List of rivers of Papua New Guinea moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, List of rivers of Papua New Guinea, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 08:41, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sagotreespirit, Greetings. Please note that stand alone list do need independent, reliable sources just like any articles for verification. Please see WP:STAND. Once sources are provided then submit for review. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 08:43, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Sagotreespirit, I just wanted to let you know that I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&page=User%3ASagotreespirit added] the "autopatrolled" permission to your account for three months, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Chetsford (talk) 05:54, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

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Languages of Melanesia
Dear Sagotreespirit,

Just a word to thank you for all the tremendous work you've been doing on the languages of Melanesia. Your contribution is impressive!

— Womtelo (talk) 16:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks, really appreciated! Sagotreespirit (talk) 16:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Sagotreespirit moved page List of jewish-rock bands to List of Jewish rock bands
I created the list with a hyphen because this new title might be misunderstood. It's Jewish rock bands, not Jewish rock bands. --Bageense(disc.) 17:10, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Jewish-rock is not correct punctuation. Readers will still see that it refers to Jewish rock and not rock bands if there is a blue link to Jewish rock instead of rock band. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 20:45, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Cartonplast
Hi, can you tell me the part that I have to rewrite please? Giovannicaciotta (talk) 21:00, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The whole thing looks like an advertisement to people outside the company. It needs to read like an encyclopedia article, or else other editors who aren't nearly as nice will likely try to get it deleted. Consult WP:IBA and WP:PROMO first. All the best. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 21:03, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

c You will need to fix the English grammar too. Wording like "sheets is" does not make any sense. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 21:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

I will rewrite it, and I will corect grammatical errors as soon as possible. I want to specify that it isn't an advertisement, Is like Coroplast page.Giovannicaciotta (talk) 23:00, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Once you make it look like an article of scientific interest and demonstrate its notability, it should be fine. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 21:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Contributing?
Can i still create new articles? Baozon90 (talk) 23:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC) also how do i get my draft submitted? Thnx Baozon90 (talk) 23:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes you can, but you should publish directly only after you know how to properly write and format articles. Try asking for help with draft writing at Articles for creation and WP:TEAHOUSE. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 23:22, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

please stop
i dont need drafting. thanks but no. just mentr me if you can. thnyou.

Baozon90 (talk) 23:47, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Helpful script for moving to drafts
Hi, you might be interested in using the script User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js, it automatically sends submission instructions to the author and adds a "Submit" button to the draft. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the great suggestion. I have just activated it. Please also advise the user above to only use draftspace for now. He is starting to be disruptive. —  Sago tree spirit  (talk) 23:49, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

dont call me disruptive. Baozon90 (talk) 23:50, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * We are here to contribute to an encyclopedia by writing quality content and being mutually cooperative. Please use draftspace and not mainspace. That means use Draft: for all of your page creations. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 23:52, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I apoligize. Baozon90 (talk) 00:02, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, we all make mistakes. I don't want to make you upset. It's just a simple instruction to use draftspace. That's all. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Ao languages
Hi Sagotreespirit,

It's a little odd to replace the COMMONNAME "Ao" with "Central Naga" when we don't even know if they're cladistically Naga languages. — kwami (talk) 03:36, 6 October 2019 (UTC)


 * All right, your call. I'm just used to Papuan families being named this way. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 14:35, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Du erhältst einen Orden!

 * A fascinating article about a historical site! Thank you for your contribution. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 16:55, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of Black Cat Radio
Hello Sagotreespirit You have just deleted my page and I am unsure why. I have followed a format used by other Community Radio stations that are listed in the 'Radio Stations in the UK' page. Can you give me an understandable reason for deleting the content. Thanks You. BLDobson (talk) 17:56, 6 October 2019 (UTC) 6/10/19 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BLDobson (talk • contribs) 17:50, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The article needed to be wikified and lacked enough reliable sources. Try submitting through WP:AfC. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 17:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If it's not formatted properly using correct Wikitext, it's not ready to be live yet. Try restarting the article again at Draft:Black Cat Radio. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 17:58, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer granted
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 * Hi Sago. I'm Barkeep49, another new page patroller. I see you were recently granted the NPP permission and have begun reviewing articles. How have things been going? Do you have any questions I might be able to help answer? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:12, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Barkeep. Things are going well on my side. Still not sure about all those upcoming Indian films, so I have been leaving them alone for the time being. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 11:47, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes future films do indeed remain tricky. I've taken a look at some of your patrols specifically, , , , , , , and . Most of these look good, but I do have a few thoughts/questions about some of them.
 * For US Airways Flight 741 stowaway incident I noticed that an editor placed a notability tag after your patrol. What are your thoughts/what did you find when looking into this topic?
 * What indication did you find that Good Gas, Vol. 1 passes NSONG/GNG?
 * I question whether electoral wards of a city of 10,000 people as in Chalkwell Ward is notable.
 * You tagged SupportYourApp but decided not to G11 it. Could I better understand your thinking with that article?
 * Thanks and best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:44, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Good questions. I generally err on the side of caution when nominating articles for deletion. I focus on deleting articles that are blatant advertisements and can obviously not be part of Wikipedia. Here is my reasoning for the articles above:
 * US Airways Flight 741 stowaway incident: It seemed like a notable historical event that was an unusual freak incident, not just a random car crash or an event that was nothing special.
 * I checked the artist's notability. 1$T is not a non-notable new rapper. I've been seeing that it's quite normal for albums by notable artists to have their own articles, such as Good Gas, Vol. 1. Other reviewers had been tagging such articles as patrolled, so I followed what they were doing. I wouldn't object to placing a notability tag, but it certainly isn't eligible for CSD either.
 * I checked the category at Category:Electoral wards of Southend-on-Sea and saw there were some other articles about similar wards. I've been seeing a lot of new stubs on small geographical places in the UK, most of which passed NPR. I'd personally go to the relevant WikiProject talk pages and ask participants about their thoughts on notability, rather than nominate for deletion or tag right away.
 * SupportYourApp would be more of an AfD candidate, not a CSD candidate. There is already a Ukrainian version, so it would not be eligible for CSD since it stands some chance of possibly being notable. The company was founded 10 years ago and has several hundred employees, notable clients, and a notable consultant, which isn't bad for a Ukrainian company. So this is not exactly a non-notable startup spam article. Nevertheless, the article needs a lot of cleanup. I asked the author to improve the article, but he hasn't responded yet.


 * Maybe you have your own thoughts as well. I'll continue to try my best at improving and curating useful encyclopedic content. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 03:12, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thoughts. In response
 * US Airways - I think your review was reasonable and appreciate your sharing your thinking. Sometimes people will tag stuff but that doesn't mean our marking it reviewed was wrong.
 * I think your analysis for Good Gas is flawed. The notability of the performing artist will only matter if any release is overwhelmingly likely to be notable something that only applies to the top few in any particular genre and is more commonsense than based in policy. I'm sure you're right that 1$T is notable but that doesn't make anything they do notable. Notability afterall is not inherited. We must instead look to see if this album is notable on its own merits. We have an SNG shortcut here - WP:NALBUM which can make our analysis a bit easier. I see no evidence from what's on WIKI that this album is notable. I certainly agree with you that it doesn't qualify for any of the WP:CSD but we have options beyond marking it reviewed and CSD. There is, as you note for SupportYourApp, AfD. In this case we also have the option of soft deletion by redirecting the album to the artist. Sometimes merely looking at what's present in the article isn't sufficient - we'll need to look off-wiki for evidence of notability. Given the redirect option combined with the SNG this wasn't necessary with this album but is, in my opinion, necessary in many cases for NPP before deciding the right next step.
 * I have appreciated hearing the work you did comparing to other articles. That often is the right next step. In this case given the evidnece you could find at Category:Electoral wards of Southend-on-Sea - with two experienced editors marking other such wards reviewed I agree your action was very reasonable.
 * So for G11 whether it's notable or not doesn't matter (same thing for G12). In this case I think SupportYourApp qualifies as promotional enough for G11 and have tagged it as such - we'll see what happens as I admit it's a bit of a borderline case. Beyond this every Wikipedia has different standards of inclusion. Ours is notability - what evidence do you have that this company meets WP:NCORP? I don't see any, including a casual BEFORE, which is why I was OK tagging a marginal G11 rather than trying to fix it in some way.
 * Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions and I hope what I've written above is useful. Let me know if you have further questions or want to discuss anything else. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:22, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks Barkeep, this is incredibly helpful feedback for me. I'll be reading more of these Wikipedia guideline and policy pages over the coming days. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 16:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , I will admit that my eyebrow raised a little at this response (maybe even more than a little). Hopefully you meant reviewing the links rather than reading them. If you meant reading them please stop reviewing until you've read WP:N (which includes GNG) and probably several links like WP:BLP1E from there that also need reading. And then it's important to commit to memory - or failing that check before any review - what areas are covered by a SNG. When I was getting started I was checking and rechecking the SNGs daily. Even now I regularly go back to them to make sure I'm following what's written in the policy and not what I think in my head. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:26, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * P.S. SupportYourApp was deleted by another sysop as G11. I have nominated Chalkwell Ward for AfD to see what happens but truly don't think you made any mistake there. I have also redirected Good Gas, Vol. 1 which we'll see if it sticks. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:28, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry if you had misunderstood my point. What I meant by my response was that I would like to know the nitty-gritty little details like the back of my hand. I did not mean to say that I had not read over the basic points at WP:N, WP:BLP1E, WP:GNG, and other related pages. I've already committed all of the basic points to memory, and I have always been reviewing - and deleting - everything with caution according to those points. I am already highly familiar with the basics of WP:N and am quite comfortable following the basic guidelines properly.
 * It's like an experienced lawyer saying that he still has to closely read over some more legal codes over the coming days so that he could keep his mind sharp. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 12:26, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * So no, I won't be reading them for the first time. I meant reviewing the little details the way you might re-read a handbook that you've already read several times. Thanks for taking care of the other articles too. Let's see what happens to them at AfD. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 12:36, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks for that explanation. I figured it the more likely of the two scenarios but was concerned enough about the second one that I felt the need to follow through. Sorry for any misunderstanding :). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:51, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

"Culture Of Manipur" page
Please reconvert the draft page "Culture Of Manipur" to a main page for it contains enough details than the "Manipur" Page. Goutamkumar Oinam (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019
Hello ,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon. There are now holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action. Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays. Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox. Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards. Admin has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers. Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources. Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13. The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights. There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion. To opt-out of future mailings, you can remove yourself here MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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