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Thriller 25
Hey I think we really need to make a page of its own for the Thriller 25 special addition which would follow the singles rereleases of 2006. People dont want it added to the "forthcoming new studio album" page. It will need its own page when it is released anyway but i see no problem with starting it now. Would you help? Yours Realist2 (talk) 14:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh you sounded like a dedicated fan lol, basically if you hadn`t already heard Michael Jackson is rereleasing Thriller in February to celebrate its 25th anniversary. If you look at the main article of Michael Jackson and look at the 2006- present section at the bottom it does say he is rereleasing it, you should read the source as well theres some good info. Basically this rerelease well be Jacksons next release and so it needs a page of its own very much like THriler, Bad HIStory, Number ones, etc. Realist2 (talk) 15:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

See[] and []. Yours Realist2 (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

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"Things I am trying to do: Editing anything that doesn't seem right according to Wikipedia's policies and personal biases."

Just so you know, your personal bias is worthless. Anything you do that shows signs of breaching WP:POV will be taken out, and rightly so. Given you're a Michael Jackson fan you must be very careful - it is quite easy to sing his praises and forget that the man did buy his way out of a court case, cancel a lot of concerts at short notice, had a decline in commercial value that has lasted the last 15 years or so, opped touring, and never release work as consistent as his first two Epic albums. While it is important we counter the MJ haters who throw out too much negative information, the way is not to counter it. We must remove all points of view - positive or negative, and let facts speak for themselves.

You seem ok mostly though, just keep an eye on it. Like most frequent contributers to the MJ WikiProject, I've seen you slip up several times. (The Elfoid (talk) 11:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC))

Elfoid my friend i hope your not on a campaign to purge wiki of every michael jackson fan lol ! You say he bought his way out of a trial is that a reference to 1993 i hope you dont have the same feeling about 2005 which he won with every right. A decline 15 years ago? His decline began with HIStory although i wouldn`t class that as a decline, i wound safely argue his decline was after the HIStory world tour of 1997, so i wound say 10 years. Also you say that his artistic peak was with Off The Wall and Thriller, but according to who? Only America and The UK!!! Outside of America and the UK nobody cares about Off The Wall. In Places like Europe and Asia Dangerous is considered his best nex to Thriller. Realist2 (talk) 15:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

My point was just that you can't apply personal biases to Wikipedia. And gave you a few examples of when Jackson wasn't the perfect entertainer, since you're clearly a dedicated fan. Many Michael Jackson fans fall into the trap of assuming he is a god and refusing to leave anything but positive information in (due to their "personal biases") and I just wanted to make sure you didn't end up doing the same. (The Elfoid (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC))

He did say some stupid things though. After being arrested in 1993 on child molestation grounds, through out the 1990s he told people he thought it was ok for kids to sleep in his bed with him. He was just asking to be arrested. It's like a mobster carrying a bag saying "drugs" on his back. Doesn't matter if he did it or not, people are gonna want to find out what's in the bag. (The Elfoid (talk) 21:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC))

C'mon dude, you gotta admit it's somewhat stupid. If I'd had a previous arrest based on child molestation where the charges were dropped because I paid the accuser to leave me alone, and I told you I let kids sleep in my bed, would you not be suspicious? I think he's innocent, we just need to look at every angle of every argument and let readers decide these things.(The Elfoid (talk) 09:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC))

I say no one knows enough to know, he's probably innocent since these events are rare happenings but we can't ever be sure. I mean, all his press releases are carefully checked by PR people to make sure they're acceptable and no one famous really admits who they are. Even if they say bad things it's usually for publicity. Sometimes it's not true, but the world's so full of lies I don't think anyone can tell who's honest and who's not. All I know about Jackson is his music is incredible, his dancing outstanding and he's inspired a lot of people. A bad person can be talented (look at Guns N' Roses - they admit they stole money from girls while other band members had sex with them as a distraction) and still gain widespread public support. My personal attitude is "Who cares?" and move on. Their life only matters to me since it affects their career, I don't care about famous people and take sides.

Except Van Halen, but that's complicated since that's about members of the band and I love them all. I think the fact that they're all talented but that it's impossible to avoid the fact that someone in that band is messed up enough to keep falling out with vocalists has left me much more capable of hating someone I'm a fan of than most people. (The Elfoid (talk) 17:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC))

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