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Textual variants in the NT
Nice work. What do you think abour "Textual variants"? In last time I expanded Unzial 070, Minuskel 1 and Minuskel 2. Can you correct them? Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course! I had a look at this three articles and did minor corrections. As for Textual variants - I guess, SkyWriter is right - it is an tremendous work! Only to list the Nestle-Aland would be 15.000 entries. Maybe you find a system how to limit the amount of the list. I did a first translation, but will do the entire translation only step by step. I like the idea to give the english (german) translation behind the greek text, because not everyone is familiar with this alphabet (nor the language). Nonetheless I think this list is helpfull to have an idea what textual variants really means and that the meaning has'nt changed over the centuries. And I enjoy the teamwork with you, although I can't support Wikipedia in a big amount. --Saiht (talk) 09:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * We can discuss about criterias. For instance variations which will explain differences between modern versions of the Bible. It can be usefull for many readers of wikipedia. I want to buy this Comprehensive New Testament book, Skywriter is the author of it. As you well know German Theology (and Philosophy) is different than American. For German scholars Caesaean text is only hypothetical (Aland). There are no supporters of the Byzantine text-type among German scholars, but some of American scholars prefer this text. Today I found very good article on de-wiki de:Littera Florentina. It can be used as example for us how to write the manuscript's articles. I made some erros in "minuscule 2". Usually I create articles on the basis the last created article (in that particular case it was Minuscule 1). Usually it works, and it is good way for speedy creating of new articles, but sometimes I not carefull enough and a something from the former article still remain in new created article. I do not know if you know Gregory, but I can give example of its text. Minuscule 150:


 * 150. 150 ε107: Rom, Vat. PaL Gr. 189.

11. Jhdt (Birch 12.), 11,6x8,7, Perg, 331 Bl, 1 Sp (7,3x4,7), 23 Z; gr Bchst gold; Kan-L, Vorw, Arg, Kap-L, Abs, Kan, Lit, Auf, Syn, Men, Unters, στίχ, Vers, Bild (Mk βάπτισμα ις nackt):  Ev. Birch u. Scholz vergl sie. G.9.Apr.1886.


 * A lot of abbreviations. The last "G.9.Apr.1886." means "Gregory vergl sie in 9 April 1886. "Kan-L" means "Eusebian tables", "Kap-L" - "tables of κεφαλαια" or "lists of κεφαλαια". What is better? In English literature I saw both. I prefer "tables of κεφαλαια" (here is example of this table or list). If you think in German it will beter to use "lists", you can change it. I only understand German, maybe in 30%. "Abs" means "Ammonian Sectins", "Kan" means "Eusebian Canons", etc. Gregory is very usefull. Almost the same detailes, abbreviated in different way, you can find in book of Scrivener "A Plain Introduction..." 4th edition from 1894 (I use reprint from 2005 - I bought it two weeks ago). Gregory is more detailed in case of size, not only size of the pages, but sometimes also size of the text (like in codex 150). Scrivener is more detailed in historical material. Only sometimes Gregory gave more historical detailes. So I wish nice work for you. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 18:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I don't know the book of Gregory. The book of Scrivener I found at books.google.com and downloaded it. Yet I did'nt found the book of Gregory in the internet. Although it is old enough that it's copyright expired - noone scanned it so far. I think, for the first time it is my goal to add all articles about papyri and uncials to the german wikipedia. By the time they will be expanded. I'm only stepping in to all this manuscripts since beginning of this year. Therefore I don't know any greek word. As for the mentioned picture "lists of κεφαλαια" I think the german word "Liste" is best fitting. Sometimes I have a look in the english article and then expand the german one (for example de:Codex Borgianus). It's the same, if in an english article the sentence of text-type and category is doubled.


 * There is a speciality in the german wikipedia: They are very concious about the relevance of an article. Very often they argue "not relevant" or "read: what wikikedia is not" and delete it. Usually it can be compensated with a certain amount of information. So far noone suggested the deletion of any papyrus or uncial, but at least when we try to write about all 2883 lectionaries I'm shure someone will, if we don't have at least a picture of this manuscript. It's the same for Textual variants in the NT. The amount of different readings would suite an extra article for every book/gospel/epistel and take a long time. I'm going to translate more and more of your english data into the german one and will see, what will happen. First thing they did was moving the article to the general lemma Textual variants. Now all NT texts are only examples and not a list of the relevant parts where different readings appear. Well, as I said - let's see ... Whishing you a nice work too! :-) --Saiht (talk) 10:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a big difference between 2nd and 4th edition of Scrivener's "A Plain Introduction...". In 1861 he used the manuscripts used by Scholz and a few more. It had not so much detailes and historical equipment. But 3rd edition (4th is the same) it was monumental work, quoted by authors even to the present day. Here is the 2nd volume from "A Plain..." (not complete). In book of Aland we can find only:

Fe 09 Codex Borelianus, e +, IX, 204 Bl., 2 Sp., 19 + Z., 28,5 x 22 cm, Utrecht, Univ. Bibl. Ms 1. (156 (1), 78 (1/2), 0 (2), 11 (S); bysantinischer Text, Kategorie V).
 * Kurt Aland, Der Text des Neues Testaments, 2 Auflage, Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, Stuttgart 1989, S. 119.

Fe 09 Codex Borelianus, e †, ninth, 204 ff., 2 cols., 19 + ll., 28.5 x 22 cm, Utrecht: Rijksuniversiteits Bibliothek Ms 1. (1561, 781/2, 02, 11S; Bysantine text, category V).
 * Kurt Aland, The Text of the New Testament: An Introductin to..., William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1995, p. 110.


 * In English translation made by Erroll F. Rhodes (1995) everything is the same, only some additional material from the end - Erganzungen und Nachtrage (S. 321 ff) - was moved to the main text (e.g. Papyri 89-96, Uncials 0275-0299, etc). Unfortunatelly Rhodes made some errors, usually omissions, and sometimes I look to German original book, though in footnotes English is cited. Of course on de-wiki should be original book (and on pl-wiki, fr-wiki, ru-wiki). I will do that. I see English translation is not so good as I thought before. It has some advantages: Rijksuniversiteits Bibliothek (original name), † instead of +, but in biblical references it has some omisions (e.g. "John 4:36-5:11"). Somebody wants to expand "Western non-interpolations". It is good, we will have professional wikipedia. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

ru:Список папирусов Нового Завета
Congratulations!!! You are good. Two days ago I foud this Yesterday i ordered four new books (two of them of the authorship of Lake - with texts of collated manuscripts; book of Wisse). Today I have discovered another usefull book: "S. Porter, New Testament Greek Papyri and Parchments (Vienna 2008)." It is accessible in Amazon. I will order it in the next months. So we can expand these articles. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 22:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * W. H. Ferrar, A Collation of Four Important Manuscripts of the Gospels, ed. T. K. Abbott, (Dublin, 1877)
 * Thanks! I'll expand the article within the next days. And I still have to translate your aditional paragraph here in the english wikipedia about the discovery of the papyri by the time. In the russian wikipedia user LongBowMan is already suspicious if my contributions are helpfull or harmfull ... due to my lack of language skills. Let's hope he's not deleting everythink.
 * As for the book of Caspar Rene Gregory - I have a friend in a huge library in Berlin, maybe I get his book for some weeks. I did'nt found it in one of the three university libraries in Berlin, there is one copy in the national library in Leipzig - but this is to far from here. If I don't get it, I can still translate your very good english articles and learn a lot in the meantime. Thanks for your work! --Saiht (talk) 20:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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 * This was fast! Expanded the article and linked to pages in the internet as well as the article in russian and german wikipedia. So you might remove the speedy deletion mark. There was already some talk about this processor on the talk page of Elbrus (computer) ... --Saiht (talk) 20:08, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

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 * Proposed deletion has been answered by User:DGG: major software for a major site. A referring article at the page "apfeltalk.de" has 15000 views. So far I don't have numbers how often it has been installed, but on wiki2touchdata.sourceforge.net in the lower right corner the counter shows how often this page has been viewed. And sf.net gives you an option to see how often the database has been downloaded. We are working hard on an update, maybe with pictures (still improving the scripts), then upload the new database dump and in June I'll give you the total number of downloads - place it right here. This is only the number of people downloading the preformated files, not counting all the otheres generating the files themselve. Then you see if it is minor or major software ... --Saiht (talk) 16:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

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