User talk:Saintmotelfan

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Sorry about that conflict of interest! I have the info, I just wasn’t sure of the best way to put it out there... Officialsaintmotelfanaccount (talk) 15:05, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

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Saint Motel edits
Please note that, no matter your username, promotional editing is against policy. If you are simply a fan of Saint Motel, still strive to write from a neutral point of view, not a Fan's point of view. If you are an official representative of the band, conflict-of-interest policies apply. In particular, not every tour or event in the history of a band merits it's own article, especially tours that have yet to occur. See WP:NTOUR and WP:NEVENT for criteria on whether an event should have its own article. Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and not everything verifiable merits inclusion. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 17:24, 19 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Of course! I will try hard to have everything from a neutral standpoint. I have a question on where on the bands main page I would put tour information, like the dates, and venues. Saintmotelfan (talk) 19:14, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I would say nowhere. The info already exists at http://www.saintmotel.com/tour. A single sentence in the section 2016–present: saintmotelevision that states the band is on tour should be sufficient. It is not the place of Wikipedia to tell people where the band is playing next week, nor the lead singer's favorite color, even if both are verifiable. Any content that looks like it should be or would be found on an official website (e.g. tour dates, band member biographies, "in the news" section, etc.) is likely not suitable for inclusion, as either overly promotional or indiscriminately trivial. Per WP:SECONDARY and WP:NPOV, articles should primarily be based on reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. per WP:ONUS, mere verifiability doesn't guarantee inclusion. A link to a venue website that confirms a concert date is not independent, as it receives money from a band's performance. In 1, 5 or ten years, will it matter that this band appeared at Lee's Place in Toronto on November 14, 2017 to anyone besides hardcore fans? see also WP:Fancruft. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:29, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Drmies (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I guess I get that, but then what about Panic! At The Disco's Death of a Bachelor Tour? That has it's own page and I honestly feel like no one would care about those venues and dates a decade from now. I guess I'm just trying to understand somethings. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as imprudent. I also noted that someone removed the stuff about the 360 virtualizer videos? Saintmotelfan (talk) 19:14, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a terrible article, and there are thousands of terrible articles on Wikipedia, a byproduct of articles being written by a subject's most passionate devotees. It may well be nominated for deletion or merging: there are over 5 million articles and limited editor pool. But the existence of some articles that fail to comply with policies and guidelines is not a good reason to make more. --Animalparty! (talk) 17:20, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok...... I don't mean to be rude but I honestly just came here to add some information about the band, but if it keeps getting taken down then I think I'm gonna just stop and leave. Probably best anyways.... Saintmotelfan (talk) 19:14, 19 October 2017 (UTC)